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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2017, 11:02:59 PM »
Whatever. I'm an Aryan. Never was a Semite and never will be. I'm who I am.

In your point of view. You are still as Western Asian as a "Semite". Also, you belong to their race in other classifications (Armenoid, Mediterranid & even the loose term of "Middle Eastern"). Your point of view doesn't mean it's the sole truth.

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Ezdi Kurdish DNA is similar to the DNA of other non-Ezdi Kurds from all parts of Kurdistan. Ezdi Kurds separated from other Kurds after Islam, that is 1000 years ago. My DNA is still similar to non-Ezdi Kurds from Wan to Kermanshah!! And still after 1000 years all Kurds are the same. That means that Kurds are unmixed. And our DNA is still the same as that of the Medes who lived in the Copper Age.

Similar, but not identical. If you want your DNA to be exactly like Sunni Kurds, then okay, enjoy having Arab in you.

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South Asian are INDO-Aryans. They are mixed between native Indians and Aryans. Kurds are simply Iranic or Aryan people.
The Medes were considered and even consider themselves as Aryans. And Medes were already a mixture between Anatolian (Armenoid) and Iranian Plateau (Iranid) people.

They are Iranid people. Leave Aryan out. You're not a white supremacist and you look funny doing this. Just stick to sourced and genuine racial terms like Irano-Afghan or Armenoid.

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The word Aryan never changed. Only some retard, ignored and uneducated people don't know anymore what it means. People don't know their roots. It is not my problem.
The Medes and Persians were still Aryans, no matter people like it or not.

Your inferiority complex people know pretty well know that Aryan means "blue eyed, blonde and white". Look at how much your Iranian brothers and sister yearn to be white and blonde, by only choosing blondes to represent the Aryan race. They call themselves Aryan because they think they're related to Germans just because SOME of their people have blonde hair. Let these videos speak for themselves. They're pathetically hilarious:




I love this one. This uploader sees through your "Aryan" BS and shows us that Iranid people are mostly dark and average looking:



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I'm a TRUE Aryan. And I know that I'm a true Aryan. Because I know my roots. I don't care what people think about it, it's not my problem.

My race is ARYAN
My religion is ARYAN
My language is ARYAN
My culture is ARYAN
My homeland is ARYAN

I AM 100% allround full Aryan. You like it or not!

As long as I do exist I will forever use the word Aryan to explain my ethnicity. And people like you will NEVER stop using me the word ARYAN.

Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan

Poor you. Must be like your superior Germanic masters in order to have confidence and pride in yourself. You must conform to their titles. Just pathetic.

Btw, according to the above videos, made by YOUR Iranians folks, you are not Aryan if you don't have blonde features. Again, you are NOT Aryan. You are NOT a 190cm, blonde haired, slim white man.

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* Sumerian came from the MOUNTAINS !!!
* Sumerians have their mountain GODS and their legends are taking place in the mountains.
* Original Sumerians who came from the mountains and migrated into the Levant, southern Mesopotamia, Arabia, India were native to the Iranian Plateau
* Ancestors of the Assyrians, Akkadians & Babylonians lived in Southern Mesopotamia. Babylon = southern Mesopotamia.
* Of course Assyrians have some Sumerian DNA in them. I never denied it. Like Levant people, Indians and Arabas have some Sumerian DNA in them. But that doesn't make you people Sumerians. You have much more other DNA in you. And your original roots are NOT Sumerian.

*No proof. They are desert people. We both know this. So are Kurds now from the desert? Oh wait, that goes against your mountain narrative now does it?
*No they were not. People migrated out of the middle east to the east and north. They didn't go back to the west again. Sumerians were recent African migrants. And perhaps some did migrate further into Iran and south Asia.
*Yep. And Sumerians were in South Mesopotamia too.
*No, we are not 100% Sumerian. But you guys are not pure Sumerians too. Don't be greedy and unfair. But we're still more closer to them than Iranians. We're from Mesopotamia, not you guys (and you did claim to be from the Iranian plateau - don't contradict yourself!).

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I do enjoy however how you don't like me to call myself an Aryan. Why don't you like the word 'ARYAN', what do you have against this word?

As I know my roots, I know who my ancestors were. And all my ancestors were ARYANS. Therefore I'm an ARYAN.

I actually acknowledge the term 'Aryan'. It's used to describe blonde haired peoples from Northern Europe, and not just by Nazis. There are books and racial descriptions on these people. Unfortunately, they have nothing to do with your people. That's why I sneer and scoff when you use it for yourself.






Nobody uses the term for dark-skinned, dark-eyed, dark-haired people from the Middle East. Racially, you are Irano-Afghan. Most people will see you as Middle Eastern. They will just not see you as Aryan no matter how much you enforce the term. The word is widely used for Nordic people. You can't do anything about that. And I'm not saying this to sound rude. Maybe there is some Aryan culture that existed in your regions. But as a race, I'm sorry, Aryan is now used for Germanic people. Terms change and evolve.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2017, 11:19:50 PM »
On a side note: This Aryan Myth has lot of charm is Middle East & South Asia because Aryan race is depicted as white, beautiful & perfect. Its the inferiority complex of South and Western Asians because of which they want to associate themselves with a mythical race to feel good about themselves and probably they think they'd earn some respect. On the contrary the great races such as Greeks & Romans do not associate themselves with any such mythical race. At least Indians should come out of this Aryan myth and feel proud of their real history which is much older than this Aryan myth.

There never was an Aryan race. All the ancient Sanskrit texts and Vedas have no mention of such race. The word Arya comes from Sanskrit and it simply means a noble person. This myth was created by Germans to call it a race and go on a mission to exterminate colored people, specially Jews. In reality Hitler was pissed at Jews because Jews were very intelligent & talented and white Germans were loosing jobs because of Jews.

Kurds this time ignorantly affiliating 'Aryan' with some of their blonde people:



And yet you ask why am I finding this laughable? Let's face it. Your people are Germanic/European wannabes. It's really sad and pathetic.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2017, 12:13:32 AM »
You fail to understand with your retard Islamic brains that we don't believe in 'birds'. Meleke Taus was an angel and not a bird. We compare him to a bird, since the ancient Sumerian times, because according to us angels came down from heaven. Angels were not born on this planet. Ancient Sumerians marked angels with WINGS. To show that they came down from heaven. Like the Sumerians, Ezdi also believe in 7 angels

Ezdi are just poetic people. Peacock is just our METHAPHOR for Melek Taus. We never say that Melek Taus was a bird, LMAO! According to Ezdi Peacock is the most proud and beautiful of all birds. That's why we use peacock as a poetic METHAPHOR for Tause Melek.


I get all the metaphor crap and like i said it is in all religions , so it is no differant that those who worship cows or take it as a symbol or metaphor .

I will you how idiotic our ancestors were and that by the way apply to all nationalities . Tell me seriously how idiotic these images are . I mean what the **** was wrong with them drawing this non sense that you are so proud of :) . They were all retards that believed in idiotic stuff like having a wing .

Birdly ancient Sumerian Angels with wings:




Birdly Zoroaster with WINGS:



personally i find grandizer much better



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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2017, 06:47:34 PM »
WTH are you talking about???

The ancient religion of my ancestors is much older and much more advanced than the Semitic religions, definitely much more advanced than Islam.

what does that have to do with what i posted ?. I do not get you , why do you get out of topic ? I do not care which is older and older does not mean better .My point is that they are all **** and stupid . 

My Aryan ancestors were the FIRST people who started to believe in 1 GOD!

So we were the first idiots lol . No thanks .


We are more advanced and open minded, because we were also the FIRST and the only who believe in life outside our planet. According to the Semitic religions GOD created only our planets and we are on Earth the only creature created by GOD. While according to our religion GOD created the whole universe and also 7 angels outside our planet Earth. In other words, my native Aryan religion believes in Alien life outside our planets.

Yes yes we are so f...cken special  , that is why we do not have a country .

And who told you that we worship a bird, peacock???

Did you read my post ? No right ?

When we pray we pray toward the Sun, we don't pray toward a bird, peacock or some kind of stupid meteor stone like that in Kaaba.

They are all stupid , our stupidity is no better than theirs . bird , sun , rock , cows , rats . All idiotic and only idiots believe in this non sense .



We are the STARCHILDREN, true Aryan people, the chosen people of Tause Melek.

lolololol , I want to puke now . Star children loolol . chosen by a stupid bird . is it the same tause that did nothing when isis came committed the unspeakable crimes ? man wake up and stop embarrassing us  .

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #39 on: August 09, 2017, 11:35:44 PM »
What is wrong with your brains. Why your brains can't see and accept some REALITY??

My Aryan people belonged always to a West-Iranian race. My people are not Semitic, were NEVER Semitic and will never be Semitic.
While Semitic people are not Aryan, were NEVER Aryan and never will be Aryan.

We belong to a different species, we are different people, different race.


My ancestors have always been ARYANS!!!


My ancestors the legendary Medes found the FIRST Aryan Empire ever!

Who said you're Semitic? Who said you're a language family? You severely lack comprehension skills, because you can clearly tell that I'm against using language families being "races" of people. :mrgreen:

No, you are not "Semitic". But you are also NOT Aryan.

You're NOT Nordic. You are the Middle Eastern subrace, Irano-Afghan. Accept it and don't be ashamed of it.

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According to the Herodotus' (c. 485-420 BCE )

H.7.62: "The Medes had exactly the same equipment as the Persians; and indeed the dress common to both is not so much Persian as Median. They had for commander Tigranes, of the race of the Achaemenids. These (Medes & Persians) were called anciently by all people Aryans."

http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/medians/



Yep, you were called Aryans thousands of years ago. And I told you that Aryan comes from Sansksrit, meaning "noble one". So what?  The term has been changed in the 20th century and is used to describe Nordic people with blonde features. Just like "Caucasian" is now rarely used for Armenians and Georgians, but more for Europeans. It's sad and an inaccurate deviation, but we have to deal with it.

Again, you're only obsessed with Aryan because the Nazis used it. You get really aroused by the fact, even though you will never appear Aryanic to them or ANYONE else in the world.

P.S. Turkey/Anatolia used to be called "Asia Minor". I don't see patriotic Turks going around and yelling "Asian and proud". -_-

I showed you 4 evidences that the West-Iranian Medes were considered as ARYAN people.

Texts from 1) Herodotus and 2) Strabo

Direct inscription from the 3) Perisans/Darius

4) Avestan Vendidad


I'm an Aryan, my ancestors were Aryan and we will be always Aryan.

Why do you get angry at me because you can't be like me, that you as a Semite can never be Aryan like me. We are 2 different species/races? These are FACTS and this is reality. I'm not GOD. I didn;t create you. Don;t get angry at me. But it is time to accept the reality and time to move on.


You are like a broken record, all what you do is only repeating yourself!!!


And because you don't what to hear this word. For you:

Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya


Must be so insecure and insignificant to repeat that term. Is that what you do to validate yourself to your Germanic masters? Deep inside, you must burn just to be a little European and white. You are disgusted that you have Jewish and Assyrian in you. That's why you're so mad. God help you. Must be really hard. No, you are nothing like Assyrians, but YOU ARE STILL MORE LIKE THEM than like your Germanic masters, the real Aryans.

Excuse me confused sir, but this is Aryan:




Really sorry that you do not look like this. Life must be really bad for you. But oh well...
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #40 on: August 09, 2017, 11:43:05 PM »
Because you as Sunni Muslim have no rights to tell me and my people what to do. Sunni Muslims are the MOST retard hypocrite subhumans on this planet.
We were the first and all other idiots followed.
Oh my, did you just call Kurds subhumans?

Btw, Nejepnerast is an atheist convert. He doesn't believe in sky magic like you do, especially 3000 year old pagan myths of bird and sun worship. Just shows who is more intellectually superior in this scenario. Lol.

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Your Sunni Muslim brains can't think. Melek Taus is not a bird but an angel. We are the chosen people of Tause Melek. We are 1 of the oldest people of the world, all because we have our guardians. We exist for 7000 years. And in all this time we never forgot our roots, never betrayed our God and changed our religion. Because of our religion we are who we are. We survive because of our religion. Our religion has a nobel function. We are loyal to our ancient religion and our ancient culture. We exist for 7000 years and we will continue to exist for 7000 years. All other people come and go, all other religions  come and. People continously convert to other religion, but we stay PURE!!
Okay, so you admit that Yazidis are much more "pure" than Sunni Kurds. Thanks for conceding.

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Tause Melek is watching over us. Because of him we do exist. Because of him we survive. Barzani is committing a genocide on my people. Just wait and see, Barzani and his Sunni Muslim people will pay the worst price. It is not over yet, Tause Melek will take care of our enemies...
So much hate for your pure, superior, incomparable Iranian race. So much hate.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2017, 04:49:36 PM »
Kurds claim descent from: Hurrians-Mitannis, Medes, Sumerians, Corduene, Gutians, and Corduenes.

I've been able to pinpoint two possible origins for Kurds: The Cyrtii OR the Carduchians.

http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/Carduchi-latin-form-of-greek-kardokhoi
https://web.archive.org/web/20110429175533/http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/cyrtians-gk

"According to Strabo, they were migrants and predatory brigands" Definitely sounds like Kurds hehe.

Realistically, I've never heard any Kurds claim descent from the Cyrtians. The Cyrtians lived in Atropatene


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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2017, 11:06:46 AM »
Our 'soul' is more pure, because we never betrayed our God for the last 7000 years and never changed to other religions. We are loyal to our ancestors and to our history.



We have some of the biggest assholes and nicest people ,dumpest individuals and smartest individuals.ugliest women and prettiest women . Our hand full with the blood of others as their hand is full with our blood .

I'm honestly yet to see anything special with any nation . We are all the same **** .
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2017, 08:30:10 AM »
This is how the real and ORIGINAL Aryans (always) look(ed) like. Aryans looked ALWAYS like that for 7000 years. This are the TRUE Aryans and not the wannabe Aryans.








I'm a true and the real ARYAN. My ancestors were true and real ARYANS. We have always been ARYANS.
All I see are a bunch of Middle Easterners, even "Arabs" to the European eye.

I'm sorry that you do not look like Germans. Must really suck for ya.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2017, 11:24:22 AM »
The first and original Aryans were native to the Aryan Zagros Mountains. Ancient Aryans have nothing to with Germany or even with Europe.

I belong to a very ancient Aryan race, while AFRO-Asiatic Semites belong to Africa...
If you want to label people by using language families, then call yourself Indo-Iranian (as you just called us Afro-Asiatic). "Aryan" seems out of place.

Be consistent a little?

Ancient Aryans have more to do with Indians, since the word is Sanskrit (whether you like it or not). But now we affiliate the term with Nordic people with blonde hair and blue eyes, not western Asians. Deal with it.

P.S. You only use Aryan because you want to mimic your Nordic masters.  :giggle:
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #45 on: August 20, 2017, 07:31:23 AM »
It's true that there isn't much written scripts to prove Kurdish links to the Medes, but, there is more evidence to suggest that Kurds are derived, at some level from Medes. The Medes weren't a purely Iranic entity, they just had an Iranic elite ruling local populations, like wise, Kurds aren't genetically purely Iranic.

Again, the Medes were an empire wth many "houses" and tribes, not a ethnic group by today's standards. It would be wrong for us to say that only Kurds have claim to the Medes, in actual fact so the the Azeris and Baluchis. Had the azeris not been turkified they would have spoken a dialect similar to Kurmanji today. Azeribaijani in proto-Iranic language means fire guardian, while Kurmanji means "son of magi". The Magis were the spiritual leaders of the Median empire.

P.S the word Aryan in Iranic history means noble, the ruling elite referred to themselves as Aryan. This word  was used by Iranic people way before th Germans even knew the word existed. In fact, in Sorani Kurdish the name Aryan is very common for boys.


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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #46 on: August 20, 2017, 09:05:05 AM »


We have some of the biggest assholes and nicest people ,dumpest individuals and smartest individuals.ugliest women and prettiest women . Our hand full with the blood of others as their hand is full with our blood .

I'm honestly yet to see anything special with any nation . We are all the same **** .

Exactly. Besides, being so proud of history just demonstrates weak character. As if we have the right to be proud of the achievements of people that lives thousands of years ago simply because we carry the same name. What difference is that to nepotism?

The Middle East as a whole has a very rich history, one that advanced society, today, it is a **** hole and a burden on the world. Why are we so proud? Of what? Instead of striving to achieve something in our life in our own name these people ar fixated of something some people did thousands of years ago. Loser mentality and pretty much sums up the Middle Easten mentality today.

It's funny how Assyrians think they're different to the rest of the ME but they're exactly the same entitled bunch of people that think they can ride on the achievements made by people thousands of years ago. No different to Barzanis sons claiming people based on their grandfathers achievements.

History is written as we speak. You'd better concentrate on now and not delude yourself with history too much because very soon you'd go down history as fools.

I don't give a darn if my ancestor was a Median king or his shoe maker. What matters is what I do with my life. I am not entitled to anything my ancestors achieved.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #47 on: August 20, 2017, 02:27:46 PM »
Exactly. Besides, being so proud of history just demonstrates weak character. As if we have the right to be proud of the achievements of people that lives thousands of years ago simply because we carry the same name. What difference is that to nepotism?

How does it show weak character? You're showing respect to those who advanced or helped to advance the society/civilization. You think Europeans aren't proud of their history from Romans, Roman influence, to becoming the world powers?

Europe became the world power because of circumstance, Chinese civilization and Middle East was devastated by the Mongols. Islam retardded the Middle East to the point where knowledge couldn't advance past the middle ages.

The Middle East as a whole has a very rich history, one that advanced society, today, it is a **** hole and a burden on the world. Why are we so proud? Of what? Instead of striving to achieve something in our life in our own name these people ar fixated of something some people did thousands of years ago. Loser mentality and pretty much sums up the Middle Easten mentality today.

So Islamic influence then? Islam teaches an entitled mentality ("Muslims have the strength of 10 non-Muslims!") [10]

[10] - "If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve" Qur'an 8:65

We Assyrians have lived under Islam and its bull-s*** for 1400 years, It'd be impossible if none of its influence got to us at all. Like I've said hundreds of times, you gotta shake off Islam and it'll take many many generations to remove Islam's influence.

It's funny how Assyrians think they're different to the rest of the ME but they're exactly the same entitled bunch of people that think they can ride on the achievements made by people thousands of years ago. No different to Barzanis sons claiming people based on their grandfathers achievements.

Like I said before, we Assyrians lived with Muslims, like Kurds, for 1400 years. Again, It'd be impossible for Islam to not influence us at all.
Also, I'll remember this statement next time your Kurdish leaders drop off their kids at our Assyrian schools... lel.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #48 on: August 20, 2017, 06:05:21 PM »
That's not true, Islam advanced the Middle East. Credit is given when it's deserved, Baghdad was at her peak under Islamic rule when all ethnic groups of the region united. Persian, Kurdish and Arab scholars developed the basis of mathematics. The mongols destroyed the Middle East not Islam. Also Northen Europe was exposed through Muslim rule of Iberia. It was Jewish and Muslim scholars that exposed them to science. Baghdad and Mesopotamia was centuries ahead of everyone else through the combined export of all of the different components of the ME. I don't take pride in that, rather, see it as an opportunity one that can happen again.

Let's face it, by the time the Mongolians were done with the Middle East they only left peasants and that's whom we are descendants off. The mongols didn't just kill the scholars, they destroyed their institutions and any record they left behind them. If you want to blame anyone blame the mongols. The Europeans were next, but history is funny like that, the Mongolian leader died and they all went home. Family feuds followed and Europe was spared.

It's ok to be proud of history, but not to the extend where it consumes you, makes you feel superior and simply arrogant.

Look at how history consumes people, look at Ezidi for example, he is an arrogant brat, to put it politely. I don't feel superior to an Assyrian, Arab or anyone else, nor do I give Iranic people favour other Semites or any other type of people. I judge people by their character and know many non Kurds that I get on better with than Kurds.

The Middle East will never have peace before we separate from each other, only then can we slowest start to unite. I have come to this conclusion and for that reason I support a free Assyria as much as a free Kurdistan.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #49 on: August 20, 2017, 06:59:35 PM »
That's not true, Islam advanced the Middle East. Credit is given when it's deserved,

Sorry but I laughed so hard that I had to spit the tea in my mouth and I spilled my tea from the cup but I'll "humor" you.

Baghdad was at her peak under Islamic rule when all ethnic groups of the region united. Persian, Kurdish and Arab scholars developed the basis of mathematics. The mongols destroyed the Middle East not Islam. Also Northen Europe was exposed through Muslim rule of Iberia. It was Jewish and Muslim scholars that exposed them to science. Baghdad and Mesopotamia was centuries ahead of everyone else through the combined export of all of the different components of the ME. I don't take pride in that, rather, see it as an opportunity one that can happen again.

Ok, what about the other cities that were at their peak before Baghdad? Why should I care whether Baghdad is useful as a city or not? What was wrong with the Sassanid capital of Tesfon? Tesfon was so developed that we Assyrians had a church province with Tesfon as its synod.

Well firstly, Persians were already educated (as far as standards were back then). Kurds and Arabs went and learned from these works but here's the most important thing: What did Islamic civilization actually discover or invent? Discoveries lead to inventions, Europeans have proven this. Lens and light magnify view -> Microscope -> Cell -> DNA.

Persian, Kurdish and Arab scholars developed the basis of mathematics. Not to burst your bubble but do you mean that they grouped math into specific categories? Because how would that advance a civilization? Math has been developing since the Sumerians, even they had algebra just without that name.

Then there's Pythagoras who created geometry by grouping together what the Sumerians, Akkadians, Egyptians, and Greeks themselves got down. No, the Mongols destroyed Islam. They destroyed the Khwarizmid Empire which ruled Persia and Central Asian (plus Afghanistan). After taking Persia and Cent. Asia, the Mongols moved into the Middle East until they were stopped by Turkish slave-soldiers called Mamluks in Egypt. The Mamluks simply used the Mongol's tactics against them since the Turks were similarly nomadic.


Let's face it, by the time the Mongolians were done with the Middle East they only left peasants and that's whom we are descendants off. The mongols didn't just kill the scholars, they destroyed their institutions and any record they left behind them. If you want to blame anyone blame the mongols. The Europeans were next, but history is funny like that, the Mongolian leader died and they all went home. Family feuds followed and Europe was spared.

The mongols didn't kill scholars, they recruited them into their military and deported them into their cities. What you're saying is the forced brain drain of the region. Thing is, if Islam made the Middle East better, how is it the Middle East just couldn't have recovered since then? The Mongol and Timurid destruction occurred 1200s and 1300s. Middle East couldn't recover by 700 years? 700 years is 23 generations (each generation is 30 years). The Middle East couldn't recover in 23 Generations? Cmon man, now you're just making excuses on the fact that Islam is a retarding force on the Middle East and you know it.

Also, Europe was not spared, just ask the Russians, Hungarians, and other parts of Eastern Europe. Also ask them about dealing with the Ottoman empire...

It's ok to be proud of history, but not to the extend where it consumes you, makes you feel superior and simply arrogant.

Look at how history consumes people, look at Ezidi for example, he is an arrogant brat, to put it politely. I don't feel superior to an Assyrian, Arab or anyone else, nor do I give Iranic people favour other Semites or any other type of people. I judge people by their character and know many non Kurds that I get on better with than Kurds.

So everything in moderation? Gotcha! Unfortunately, Ezidi is afflicted with Historabetes :)

The Middle East will never have peace before we separate from each other, only then can we slowest start to unite. I have come to this conclusion and for that reason I support a free Assyria as much as a free Kurdistan.

And where is Assyria in your mind?

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« Reply #50 on: August 21, 2017, 11:11:00 AM »
Exactly. Besides, being so proud of history just demonstrates weak character. As if we have the right to be proud of the achievements of people that lives thousands of years ago simply because we carry the same name. What difference is that to nepotism?

The Middle East as a whole has a very rich history, one that advanced society, today, it is a **** hole and a burden on the world. Why are we so proud? Of what? Instead of striving to achieve something in our life in our own name these people ar fixated of something some people did thousands of years ago. Loser mentality and pretty much sums up the Middle Easten mentality today.

It's funny how Assyrians think they're different to the rest of the ME but they're exactly the same entitled bunch of people that think they can ride on the achievements made by people thousands of years ago. No different to Barzanis sons claiming people based on their grandfathers achievements.

History is written as we speak. You'd better concentrate on now and not delude yourself with history too much because very soon you'd go down history as fools.

I don't give a darn if my ancestor was a Median king or his shoe maker. What matters is what I do with my life. I am not entitled to anything my ancestors achieved.

Monsieur , Je vous tire mon chapeau .


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« Reply #51 on: August 26, 2017, 02:23:54 AM »
It is all about science and not about emotional feelings and getting emotional. I have true science behind my claims.

Kurds are SCIENTIFICALLY claimed to belong to West Iranian group of people who belong to a West Iranian/Aryan (Caspian-Iranid) race. Our racial relatives live in the Caucasus and other parts of the Iranian Plateau.
Our Semitic neighbours to the south belong to a different Semitic race. Turks belong to a Mongoloid race. These are FACTS!


Stick to the SCIENCE and not to your emotion. Your emotion has nothing to do with science.




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If it eases your insecurities, I can do a million more. Still, doesn't make you an Aryan. So you want more?
Sorry but I laughed so hard that I had to spit the tea in my mouth and I spilled my tea from the cup but I'll "humor" you.
Alan has always been a Muslim apologist in here. He equates Christianity with the KKK and crusades and Islam with its more peaceful period in the 1400s.

But I like that. Shows how much Kurds affiliate themselves with "Semitic" religions, and thus would make Ezidi Kurd furious (who's probably a Sunni Kurd in disguise and is ashamed of his Semitic Gedmatch make-up).
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #52 on: September 01, 2017, 11:20:20 AM »


Can you please let him be Aryan . it is what he wants , so be it . I'm sure if we compare the contributions and destructions that assyrian and aryan take credit for we will see that we are exactly the same .

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« Reply #53 on: September 01, 2017, 02:32:11 PM »
I'm sure if we compare the contributions and destructions that assyrian and aryan take credit for we will see that we are exactly the same .

We didn't destroy people that didn't deserve it. just like how Persians always punished Assyrians or Medes who rebelled against them, ancient Assyrians punished those who rebelled as well. Romans, Arab Muslims, Mongols, USA do the same.

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« Reply #54 on: September 04, 2017, 12:32:44 AM »
I'm who I am. I know who I am, and NOBODY can do anything about it. Nobody can change my Aryan ancestors.

Reconciliation begins with recognition. If some people don't want to recognise me who I really am, how do they expect from me that I do recognize them, never!


My ancestors were Aryans, I'm an Aryan and my descendants will be always Aryans!

and i completely agree with you . You can also claim that current Assyrian are mere fabrication of Western power and church and have nothing to do with ancient Assyrian . I do not get it why everyone tries to deny the origin of the other .   

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #55 on: September 04, 2017, 12:42:33 AM »
We didn't destroy people that didn't deserve it. just like how Persians always punished Assyrians or Medes who rebelled against them, ancient Assyrians punished those who rebelled as well. Romans, Arab Muslims, Mongols, USA do the same.
lol , no your ancestors went from ninava plain killing every man woman and child all the way to Egypt i believe , so please save us the lecture . By the way isis uses exactly the same logic and mohamad was supposedly send as a mercy for humanity . All our ancesters were thugs and criminals who enjoyed killing , decapitating each other and taking pride in that by drawing on the walls lol .

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« Reply #56 on: September 04, 2017, 01:10:10 AM »
lol , no your ancestors went from ninava plain killing every man woman and child all the way to Egypt i believe , so please save us the lecture . By the way isis uses exactly the same logic and mohamad was supposedly send as a mercy for humanity . All our ancesters were thugs and criminals who enjoyed killing , decapitating each other and taking pride in that by drawing on the walls lol .

just like how you asked for proof on your KRG independence thread, I'm asking for proof on this. Ancient Assyrians were not thugs or criminals. You cannot have a functional society or country as criminals/thugs. Secondly, you have no credibility in saying such things considering how historically ignorant you are.

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« Reply #57 on: September 04, 2017, 12:22:41 PM »
just like how you asked for proof on your KRG independence thread, I'm asking for proof on this. Ancient Assyrians were not thugs or criminals. You cannot have a functional society or country as criminals/thugs. Secondly, you have no credibility in saying such things considering how historically ignorant you are.


Mohamad was a thug and a thief and look what he built . As long as we do not admit to ourselves at least that our ancestors were thugs and criminals and that what they used to do to others were wrong we will never accept each others and the cycle of violence and hatred will continue for eternity .

From the palace of King Sennacherib:
Assyrian soldiers flay the captives


Isis style in reverse .


if you enjoy seeing what our ancestors did there is a whole liberary on Google

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« Reply #58 on: September 04, 2017, 05:48:50 PM »
Mohamad was a thug and a thief and look what he built . As long as we do not admit to ourselves at least that our ancestors were thugs and criminals and that what they used to do to others were wrong we will never accept each others and the cycle of violence and hatred will continue for eternity .

From the palace of King Sennacherib:
Assyrian soldiers flay the captives
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Isis style in reverse .
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if you enjoy seeing what our ancestors did there is a whole liberary on Google


You mean the same Elamites who have been periodically invading into Mesopotamia? Elam has been invading Mesopotamia SINCE BEFORE first Babylonian kingdom.
The Elamites were the ones who ended the last dynasty of Sumer...

This is does not make Assyrians thugs or criminals. We stopped a meddlesome kingdom who had devastated Mesopotamia many times.

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« Reply #59 on: September 04, 2017, 09:17:39 PM »
You mean the same Elamites who have been periodically invading into Mesopotamia? Elam has been invading Mesopotamia SINCE BEFORE first Babylonian kingdom.
The Elamites were the ones who ended the last dynasty of Sumer...

This is does not make Assyrians thugs or criminals. We stopped a meddlesome kingdom who had devastated Mesopotamia many times.

you see , you are validating crimes committed and just like a typical muslim would defend islam and Mohamad . how are you any different ? You are right and they were wrong ? They say the same thing .

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« Reply #60 on: September 04, 2017, 09:18:36 PM »
I don't know who you are, but ancient Assyrians were never my ancestors!

Our ancestors were no different .

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« Reply #61 on: September 04, 2017, 09:52:35 PM »
you see , you are validating crimes committed and just like a typical muslim would defend islam and Mohamad . how are you any different ? You are right and they were wrong ? They say the same thing .
ok now you're just saying stupid statements, Muhammad is clearly documented in the qur'an as starting fights and wars and banditry. The Elamites have been attacking Mesopotamia since the Sumerians. If ancient Assyrians didn't take care of them, it would've been the Neo-Babylonians.

Or are you telling me that we should've just like Elamites just keep attacking Mesopotamia? When the Elamites did not attack Mesopotamia, they tried to politically divide Mesopotamia.

Secondly...
"His successor Tempti-Khumma-In-Shushinak (664–653) attacked Assyria, but was defeated and killed by Ashurbanipal following the battle of the Ulaï in 653 BC; and Susa itself was sacked and occupied by the Assyrians. In this same year the Assyrian vassal Median state to the north fell to the invading Scythians and Cimmerians under Madius, and displacing another Assyrian vassal people, the Parsu (Persians) to Anshan which their king Teispes captured that same year, turning it for the first time into an Indo-Iranian kingdom under Assyrian dominance that would a century later become the nucleus of the Achaemenid dynasty. The Assyrians successfully subjugated and drove the Scythians and Cimmerians from their Iranian colonies, and the Persians, Medes and Parthians remained vassals of Assyria."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elam#Neo-Elamite_I_.28c._1100_.E2.80.93_c._770_BC.29

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« Reply #62 on: September 04, 2017, 10:06:51 PM »
ok now you're just saying stupid statements, Muhammad is clearly documented in the qur'an as starting fights and wars and banditry.

you get no argument from me and i can add more to your list of atrocities committed by mohamad .


The Elamites have been attacking Mesopotamia since the Sumerians. If ancient Assyrians didn't take care of them, it would've been the Neo-Babylonians.
Or are you telling me that we should've just like Elamites just keep attacking Mesopotamia? When the Elamites did not attack Mesopotamia, they tried to politically divide Mesopotamia.

I do not know who are the elarnites are and i'm certain they were no different than assyrian and possibly worst . My point is that they were all assholes and thugs and taking pride in being the descendant of these thugs is shameful .

Secondly...
"His successor Tempti-Khumma-In-Shushinak (664–653) attacked Assyria, but was defeated and killed by Ashurbanipal following the battle of the Ulaï in 653 BC; and Susa itself was sacked and occupied by the Assyrians. In this same year the Assyrian vassal Median state to the north fell to the invading Scythians and Cimmerians under Madius, and displacing another Assyrian vassal people, the Parsu (Persians) to Anshan which their king Teispes captured that same year, turning it for the first time into an Indo-Iranian kingdom under Assyrian dominance that would a century later become the nucleus of the Achaemenid dynasty. The Assyrians successfully subjugated and drove the Scythians and Cimmerians from their Iranian colonies, and the Persians, Medes and Parthians remained vassals of Assyria."
Again you are validating and your opponent are doing the same thing . Just admit that they were all thugs and uncivilized , so we can move on  .

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« Reply #63 on: September 05, 2017, 01:45:11 AM »
you get no argument from me and i can add more to your list of atrocities committed by mohamad .
are you trying to insult me and other Assyrians by equating us with Arabs and Muhammad or are you talking about my Arguments against Islam thread?

I do not know who are the elarnites are and i'm certain they were no different than assyrian and possibly worst . My point is that they were all assholes and thugs and taking pride in being the descendant of these thugs is shameful .

Again you are validating and your opponent are doing the same thing . Just admit that they were all thugs and uncivilized , so we can move on  .

I think I'm realizing what you're talking but it's goes way beyond history and civilization, you're talking human behavior at this point.

Realistically, if you lived in a time where everybody was a jerk, you're telling me you wouldn't be a jerk as well? :)
Also, by todays standards, of course they were thugs but they didn't know what we know now.

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« Reply #64 on: September 05, 2017, 03:23:54 AM »

Can you please let him be Aryan . it is what he wants , so be it . I'm sure if we compare the contributions and destructions that assyrian and aryan take credit for we will see that we are exactly the same .
You don't get it. He has an agenda. He wants to call himself Aryan because the Germans claimed it and got popular for doing so. If they didn't, he would not even care for the word. Why Aryan when he can use "Irano-Afghan" or "Armenoid"? These terms are used to denote his race and Assyrians too with Armenoid. But nah, screw them, let's go with Aryan because Germans used to signify their "superiority" and power.

P.S. Assyrians were violent and destructive 2500 years ago, before Christianity. Pretty stupid and asinine to call modern Assyrians violent because of 2500 years ago. What matters is that today we're not like your Muslim friends. Heck, I wouldn't even call modern Brits violent because of their bloody conquests no more than 200 years ago.
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« Reply #65 on: September 05, 2017, 03:28:22 AM »
lol , no your ancestors went from ninava plain killing every man woman and child all the way to Egypt i believe , so please save us the lecture . By the way isis uses exactly the same logic and mohamad was supposedly send as a mercy for humanity . All our ancesters were thugs and criminals who enjoyed killing , decapitating each other and taking pride in that by drawing on the walls lol .
Muhammad was a warlord who wanted to convert others violently. His followers do the same today. Stop justifying this atrocity.

Assyrians, whilst violent, were normal peoples who had barbaric laws as did ancient Romans, Greeks, Mayans. Not surprising. Be thankful that today, we are not like that. Today, your Muslim friends are more akin to ancient Assyrians.
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« Reply #66 on: September 07, 2017, 05:58:06 AM »
LMAO, what is your problem?

I never clamed to be a German of Germanic race. I'm a Kurd and Aryan of Iranid race. The problem lies with you. Kurds/Aryans and Assyrians/Semites are 2 different people belong to different races. And you don't like this FACT.
Again, you're thinking that I said that. I didn't and frankly, I couldn't care less, even though I did tell you that your people belong to the Irano-Afghan race.

No, we're not related to Kurds. I agree there.

But we're also not related to ALL Arabs, such as Yemenis, Kuwaitis and Egyptians. We're still more closer to Iranians and Kurds than we are to Egyptians and Yemenis. Even you admitted that we're mixed with Iranians.

I don't care, again. Whether we're closer to North Africans or Iranians, I don't mind it. But I'm telling you the truth. But you're making a strawman out of it - Like as if I'm implying Assyrians are 100% blood brothers with Kurds when they are NOT.

I hope you get me now.
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« Reply #67 on: September 08, 2017, 01:38:43 AM »
We are all equal, but we are separate races. Kurds and Assyrians do not belong to the same race. We have different roots. Therefore Kurds and Assyrians have the right to have their own country separately. Assyrians belong to a different race than Kurds, therefore they deserve their own separate homeland where they are the majority.
You are right that we are two different peoples or races, if you will. My point was, we are still more homogeneous to the Kurds and Iranian than say, Yemenis, Qataris and Moroccans, considering our location and vicinity to Iranid peoples. Of course, that's NOT to say that Assyrians and Kurds are the same peoples. Just the same way humans are more closer to chimps than gorillas, that doesn't mean humans are now chimps. You have this notion that language families equals race. If that's so then Assyrians should be racially akin to Nigerians or Ethiopians, because they speak an Afro-Asiatic language, like we do. There's no logic in that.

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But I don't like the idea that Assyrians claim some land in the native lands of the Ezdi Kurds in northern Mesopotamia.
Why? We were never enemies of you guys. Not to mention, our ancient empire sprawled all over that place. Yes, you can have lands too, but why shouldn't we? Be fair, please. Why you're thinking like Sunni Kurds? You suffered under them. And so did we. Where should our native land be then?

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Also my people are 'more' related/connected to the Ubaid Sumerians than the Assyrians, because as Semitic people Assyrians are more related to the Semitic Levant people like the Jews. Assyrians are related to the Jews and Jews were NEVER native to the Northern Mesopotamia of directly related to the Sumerians.
Of course, Jews are native to the near east. But Assyrians are native to Mesopotamia. Just the same way Afghans are native to Afghanistan and Kurds to northern Iraq/Iran. Same races, different locations. And yes, numerous peoples can be native to one land. Yazidis have ties to Mesopotamia. But so do we. Why can't you accept this? At the end of the day, we are both tormented minorities under Islam. We should stand together.
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« Reply #68 on: September 08, 2017, 09:38:59 PM »
are you trying to insult me and other Assyrians by equating us with Arabs and Muhammad or are you talking about my Arguments against Islam thread?

i was not at all , putting the religion aside i do not think that you are any different that an arabs , a turk or a kurd . Do you think you are better ?  You see that is the problem these days , everyone think they are special and it is the root of all the problems in ME , because the moment you think this way you will start looking down at others and they will  think and do exactly like you .
I will be honest Assyrian are nobody in Iraq and no one give them even a consideration and mostly sterotyped as cowards due to their peaceful approach . The kurds are labled as stupid by arabs hence all the jokes on kurd even on this site . The kurds view arabs as uneducated hence the term Arabi papati (bear feet arabs ) and so on .

It is what we do today that matter and to create a society where everyone can live in peace demand that we respect and accept others . I know it is not easy , because we are all taught that we are superior , but that is the only way forward . 

I think I'm realizing what you're talking but it's goes way beyond history and civilization, you're talking human behavior at this point.Realistically, if you lived in a time where everybody was a jerk, you're telling me you wouldn't be a jerk as well? :)
Also, by todays standards, of course they were thugs but they didn't know what we know now.

ohh , finally you get me . My point is that they were all thugs and expanded their empire at the expense of other nation , so I do not get it when a kurd or arab or turk or assyrian takes pride at what their ancestors did and claim they were glorious people .

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« Reply #69 on: September 08, 2017, 09:55:02 PM »
Muhammad was a warlord who wanted to convert others violently. His followers do the same today. Stop justifying this atrocity.

I could not agree more , when did i justify his atrocity ?

Assyrians, whilst violent, were normal peoples who had barbaric laws as did ancient Romans, Greeks, Mayans.

lololol , Assyrian were normal peoples who had barbaric laws? Which is it ? They were all thugs and glorified criminals including my own ancestors . 

Be thankful that today, we are not like that. Today, your Muslim friends are more akin to ancient Assyrians.
Assyrian went from ninava plain all the way to Egypt slaughtering every man woman and child  and then Other powers in the region united and slaughtered every Assyrian man woman and child they could find . Tell me what exactly i should be grateful for  ? As for islam and mohamd i think have made my views clear on the matter .




 

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