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Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« on: June 19, 2017, 01:55:02 PM »
Many Kurds consider themselves descended from the Medes, an ancient Iranian people,[44] and even use a calendar dating from 612 B.C., when the Assyrian capital of Nineveh was conquered by the Medes.[45] The claimed Median descent is reflected in the words of the Kurdish national anthem: "We are the children of the Medes and Kai Khosrow.

Those retards. Why cant they just be proud of their empire of saladin? do they really need to claim history of others? They even have a calendar when they destroyed our capital of nineveh, thats just an insult to us. Why are we not doing anything and letting them believe that they are the descendants of the medes? Why cant they understand that they are a mixed people and their history really begins at the time of saladin or maybe a little bit earlier?
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2017, 03:11:03 PM »
The ARYAN Medes are our direct ancestors because Kurdistan is in the same location as the state of the Medes. We have the same ancient Iranic (ARYAN) culture. The Medes had ancient Aryan/Iranid religions (like Mithraism) compared to the Ezdi religion. And we speak Aryan (NorthWest Iranian language) the same as the Medes. The Medes spoke also the Aryan (NorthWest Iranian language).

Kurds speak the same language as the Medes.

a) same location
b) same culture (Aryan / West Iranid)
c) same religious roots (Yezidism, Mithraism, Zoroastrianism etc.)
d) same language


If Kurds are not Medes, than Italians have nothing to do with the Romans and Germans nothing to do with Germanic tribes etc.

"Though some Kurdish intellectuals claim that their people are descended from the Medes, there is no evidence to permit such a connection across the considerable gap in time between the political dominance of the Medes and the first attestation of the Kurds" - van Bruinessen
The Kurdish people are believed to be of heterogeneous origins[16][17] combining a number of earlier tribal or ethnic groups[18] including Lullubi,[19] Guti,[19] Cyrtians,[20] Carduchi.
Median descent of the Kurds has found favour as a historical narrative among Kurds in the 20th century, so that identification of Kurds as Medes is now common in Kurdish nationalist sentiment, though some experts believe it is incorrect.

The hypothesis is not without its detractors, among them Martin van Bruinessen (2004).[48] Asatrian (2009) stated that "The Central Iranian dialects, and primarily those of the Kashan area in the first place, as well as the Azari dialects (otherwise called Southern Tati) are probably the only Iranian dialects, which can pretend to be the direct offshoots of Median ... In general, the relationship between Kurdish and Median are not closer than the affinities between the latter and other North Western dialects — Baluchi, Talishi, South Caspian, Zaza, Gurani, etc."[49]

Why cant you be proud of your saladin empire who was a kurd? Why do you need to say that medes was your descendants? Why do you put much energy for proving you are their descendants? Foraslong as you dont have enough proof noone will believe you, l dont hate kurds, l just dont like them claiming history that arent theirs......

You really dont have enough proof do make this believe, u could had some median blood in you but you arent the direct descendants of them as l have proven up there.....

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2017, 03:20:33 PM »
the connection is "possible" but there's no evidence or a clear transition of how Medes turned into Kurds. Meanwhile, there's already a clear transition on how ancient middle eastern people became modern Assyrians.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2017, 06:01:16 PM »


this ****ty kurd claim that they are the direct descendants of the medes and doesnt mention that they dont have enough proof, that only show how unintelligent they really are, where is the proof retard kurdish women! And she says the three wise men were kurds, ****! and also the kurds mention many times in ancient texts, thats not even true! And what l hate the most is that the video gots lots of likes and they all think what she says is true! Omg, l hate her show much now!

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2017, 06:30:50 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCvod_NgYic

this ****ty kurd claim that they are the direct descendants of the medes and doesnt mention that they dont have enough proof, that only show how unintelligent they really are, where is the proof retard kurdish women! And she says the three wise men were kurds, ****! and also the kurds mention many times in ancient texts, thats not even true! And what l hate the most is that the video gots lots of likes and they all think what she says is true! Omg, l hate her show much now!


claims are claims, no sources or evidence means you can dismiss them. The 3 wise men had no names given either.

Also, she blatantly lies that Europeans didn't allow Kurds to have a country which is BS. Europeans had the Treaty of Sevres which was to guarantee an independent Kurdish state but the Treaty of Sevres was negated when the Turks won the Turkish war of independence. Turks created the treaty of Lausanne which defined modern Turkish borders and removed any notion of the idea of Kurdistan.

Kurds think Arabs or Assyrians or Europeans have ruined any chance of Kurdistan when it was Turkey who has been stopping them since before WW1.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2017, 07:40:39 PM »
Actually if you compare modern DNA of the Middle East to the ancient DNA of the Middle East you will come to the conclusion that Kurds are the PUREST people of the Middle East.


Iron Age was the era of the Medes and Kurdish DNA is identical to the Iron Age Zagros people.


So, we can conclude that Kurdish DNA didn't change much the last 4000 years.


Here is the paper about the ancient Iranians, including the Iron Age Iranian of the era of the Medes.


The Medes = Iron Age Iranians = Aryans


http://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2016/07/13/science.aaf7943.full







Article says similarities. Similarities doesn't mean exact :)

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2017, 08:43:49 PM »
Iron Age = 1200 BC.

The Medes/Aryans defeated the ancient Assyrians 612 BC.



The Medes/ARYANS are even YOUNGER than those Iron Age Iranians.


Iron Age Iranians are most likely Mitanni & Kassites. Those were the direct ancestors of the Medes. So my DNA is going even deeper in time to the era of Mitanni/Kassites who were ancestors of the Medes.


Mitanni/Kassites -> Medes -> Ezdi Kurds


As you can see my DNA is almost identical to the ancient Aryans who lived in the Zagros Mountains around 1200 BC. The small differences could be same between me and my own blood brother. Nobody is identical.
But the CLOSEST population to the Iron Age Iranians are the Kurds.



1200 + 2000 = 3200 years.


My DNA is practically unchanged after 3200 years of time. It is almost identical. This is a great evidence that Kurds are the 'purest' people in the Middle East ever, period!





Medes didn't defeat Ancient Assyrians, Babylonians did.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2017, 01:38:03 AM »
It were actually the NORTHWest Iranian people like the Medes, together with the East Iranized Steppe people like the Scythians and Cimmerians who defeated the Assyrians.

It is like what we see in Raqqa. The Kurds (Medes) are liberating the city from Daesh with other races. But the main fighting force of SDF that is liberating Raqqa are the Medes/Kurds. Without the Medes/Kurds all other races are useless. They need a leader, a warrior, to show them how to fight.

Without the Medes, the Babylonians would never defeat the Assyrians alone.


Btw, the so called Assyrians were not homogeneous people. And Assyrian kingdom was not that big as some modern maps show us. Many people/villages in Northern Mesopotamia were not Assyrians at all, but were under the political rule/dominance of the Assyrians from the South. Like Georgia, Armenia or Turkic speaking regions in Siberia were under the political rule/dominance during the Russian Empire or the USSR


The reason why modern Kurds have 'more' Steppe ancestry than Copper Age Iranians is because of those East Iranized Steppes people like the Scythians and Cimmerians. After Scythians & Cimmerians migrated into Kurdistan they mixed with the Medes. The Medes assimilated them into their race. That's why there is a difference between me and the Copper Age Iranian (5000 BC. = 7000 years old)

not really, Medes were still nomadic, Scythians were more nomadic and they were just taking advantage of the lawlessness by raiding.

Actually, Babylonians did defeat ancient Assyria by itself. look up Battle of Harran and Battle of Carchemish. Battle of Carchemish was pretty much the last battle of what army was left of the empire.

Also, where are you getting your false information? None of this crap is in any of my history books. Are you gonna tell me Turks modified American history books?

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2017, 04:21:09 AM »
not really, Medes were still nomadic, Scythians were more nomadic and they were just taking advantage of the lawlessness by raiding.

Actually, Babylonians did defeat ancient Assyria by itself. look up Battle of Harran and Battle of Carchemish. Battle of Carchemish was pretty much the last battle of what army was left of the empire.

Also, where are you getting your false information? None of this crap is in any of my history books. Are you gonna tell me Turks modified American history books?

I actually thought that the medes were friends with the babylonians and they together destroyed the assyrian empire..   

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2017, 10:19:16 AM »
There was not such thing as an Assyrian 'Empire'. Just a small community with small villages that were ruled from the south (Akkadia/Assyria). Assyrian 'Empire' is overrated.

And after destruction of Nineveh, the Medes conquered Babylonia found a huge Aryan Empire called Media. Media stretched from Anatolia to Central Asia. It was the first Empire of it's kind. And it was actually the FIRST 'Aryan' empire/civilization...

Where do you get your information? All of your information is weird man
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2017, 11:06:00 AM »
Where do you get your information? All of your information is weird man
he or she is making stuff up and intentionally strawmanning and misinterpreting various information to fit his/her agenda. Some how thinking we'll actually believe it when there's no shred of evidence.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2017, 03:03:18 PM »
Do Kurds demand from Assyrians to proof, come up with evidences and show the world that the Assyrians are connected to the ancient Assyrians? Simply, nobody cares about it. Nobody is obsessed with the Assyrians because your people are not interesting.

Do you have GENETIC evidences that you people are similar to the ancient people you claim to be descendant from?


Not many people/races have such a kind of evidences.

But Kurds DO HAVE those evidneces. We have many proofs that can show that we are directly linked to the Medes.



Somehow people are OBSESSED with the Kurds. Because they know that Kurds are the BEST . They envy us, and are jealous about our ARYAN race. That's why people including YOU are obsessed with us and spreading dirty propaganda about us.


FEAR the Turks, Arabs and Persians. Spread lies and propaganda on them. Fight them, kill them. Maybe then you will get our respect...






First of all we have enough proof, second u got almost no proof at all! Do you think you are interesting? The only reason why this thread even got here is because u claim to be the descendants of the people who destroyed the assyrian empire,  and ironicly even got the date our capital got conquered lol, u are pathetic, we.didnt say your history started at the time of saladin but that was almost the time u started to show yourself in the history books.  u are probably a mixed people but to say you are the direct ancestors of the medes is nonsense because u got almost none proof! Before claiming to be the ancestors of someone get some proof first before say to the whole world, that only show how silly you are. Your history sucks that you claim to be someone u are not lol, and the funny thing is that u are convinced hahaha even if you dont have enough proof, that only show that u got no braincells
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2017, 07:48:00 PM »
LMAO, what agenda? It is actually your people with agenda. First your people come up with crazy nonsense about the history of the Kurds.

C'mon do you really believe that Kurdish race was born AFTER Saladin. Like there was no Kurdish race before Saladin. If there were no Kurds before Saladin, where did the great parents of Saladin came from? From the moon? My people were NEVER Muslim and my people are Kurds. My Kurdish ancestors predate Saladin by thousands of years.

Where did our NORTH West Iranian language come from? It is NOT from the Persians, since the Persians speak a different dialect of Aryan. They speak SOUTH West Iranian. And also, Kurdish is much, much more pure than Persian. Kurdish has still the ERGATIVTY in its grammar. Our language is not from the moon. Kurds speak still the language of their Aryan ancestors. And our direct Aryan ancestors were the Medes.GE

We have even the GENETIC evidence for it! No other race on this planet has more proof about their origin than the Kurds do.

And then people like you come with nonsense about Kurds and spreading lies.


You are same as you ancestors. Your ancestors also were tr0lling other races. And now we can see what happened to them.


You guys have big mouth, but how much Turks, Arabs or Persians did you kill for you homeland. You want you homeland, but you do nothing about it. You don't fight at all. You are SCARED of Arabs, Turks and Persians. You think that Kurds are the weakest and therefore you just tr0lling the Kurds.

We Kurds are the Medes, we are actually the strongest link in the Middle East, lol.


If you want some respect, you must earn respect. Show us that you are though guys and start fighting the Turks, Arabs and Persians. Because those Muslims are you true enemies. Pff, at least Kurds are fighting for their own homeland and the homeland of their direct ancestors the Medes.

What part of "no evidence" do you not understand?

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2017, 10:41:57 AM »
The idea that we can read our ancestry directly from our genes is absurd. This is business, and the business is genetic astrology. We are all related, it’s a matter of degree .


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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2017, 09:59:06 PM »
Who cares really? The Medes had nothing to do with Assyrians. Let the Kurds claim they're descendants of Macedonians for all I care. Won't affect me as an Assyrian.

What triggers me, actually, is when they say that they're 100% descendants of Sumerians (when we're more closer, if not virtually). Now that's when you and I should retaliate and tell them they're immensely wrong.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2017, 01:10:03 AM »
Assyrians speak a Afro Asiatic language which is from Africa. But their MIXED DNA has some connections with the Levant, Arabia and Mesopotamia.

Same reason why you Indo-Iranians and South Asians speak an Indo-European language - a language family originated in eastern Europe and northwest Asia - You people don't even come from there. The first IE speakers probably looked more like a typical Slav than an Iranian from the Middle East. Obviously, and genetically speaking, you did NOT come from Europe or the land where IE formed. The same way our recent genetic ancestry is not from Africa. You and I adopted the Indo European and Afro-Asiatic languages, respectively, because they naturally came to us as they merely became convenient in our daily lives.

The politicized "Aryan Invasion Theory" (a term no scientist actually uses) debate is worthless. It is simply a proxy for Hindu nationalists vs. South Indian nationalists, and now Iranians. Language can be transmitted with little or no effect on genes. And you know perfectly know this. But your agenda is to conflate language families with race. You are European and therefore "superior", we are Afro-Asiatic so we're African and "inferior". That's your retorting platitude. But regardless, you still have more in common with "Semites" or Levantines than any European peoples. And I know you're using Semite/Aryan in a way to emulate the Nazis.  :lol:



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You are ashamed of your Semitic roots. You don't want to be a Semites. And that's why you hate the Kurds who turned out to be the PUREST Aryans

You hate to be a Semite, because you know that Aryans/Iranians have always been more superior to the Semites. We were, we are and we will always be....

You're obsessed with the Semitic/Aryan thing. Assyrians have no idea what these terms even mean, the many of them, nor they care about them. They only know that they speak a language that is similar to Arabic and Hebrew. You're the desperate snob obsessed with a language family, labeling it as a 'race'.

Assyrians are proud of their Assyrian heritage and their language (so much for being "ashamed"). They're proud of the Assyrian empire and what it has done. So I'm not sure what you mean by "ashamed of their roots". Again, you're only making a big deal of these language families to differentiate yourself from Arabs, Jews and Assyrians, when in fact, you're as Middle Eastern looking as we all are, and more akin to them than Indians, Pakis, Asians and Europeans (excluding Afghans and Iranians). And I told you this countless times before. You're probably projecting massively. You're the one who is ashamed of their race here. Not us. ;)
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2017, 10:19:19 AM »
Who cares really? The Medes had nothing to do with Assyrians. Let the Kurds claim they're descendants of Macedonians for all I care. Won't affect me as an Assyrian.

What triggers me, actually, is when they say that they're 100% descendants of Sumerians (when we're more closer, if not virtually). Now that's when you and I should retaliate and tell them they're immensely wrong.

Many Kurds consider themselves descended from the Medes, an ancient Iranian people,[44] and even use a calendar dating from 612 B.C., when the Assyrian capital of Nineveh was conquered by the Medes.[45]

And thats what is annoying!  This affects us assyrians greatly that the kurds have this calendar and says they conquered us!

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2017, 01:04:12 PM »
DNA is science now. I think you should to update you knowledge.

And DNA is saying that the Ezdi Kurds are among the 'purest' Kurds. Because of our ARYAN religion we didn't mixed much for thousands of years. While Muslim Kurds don't care about mixing...
people are either **** or good in all nationalities and being mèdes , Mercedes , gypsies means nothing .

We've known that genetic diversity is good thing for years. Mix breed dogs and cats are known to have longer life spans and healthier lives. The same applies to humans , so being pure is really a bad thing .

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2017, 02:55:50 PM »
DNA is science now. I think you should to update you knowledge.

And DNA is saying that the Ezdi Kurds are among the 'purest' Kurds. Because of our ARYAN religion we didn't mixed much for thousands of years. While Muslim Kurds don't care about mixing...

Are u racist?

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« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2017, 07:05:24 PM »
people are either **** or good in all nationalities and being mèdes , Mercedes , gypsies means nothing .

We've known that genetic diversity is good thing for years. Mix breed dogs and cats are known to have longer life spans and healthier lives. The same applies to humans , so being pure is really a bad thing .

"We are pure race", is bull***

That fact is the Modern Assyrian and Kurd have almost the same DNA.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2017, 10:50:58 AM »


http://www.pnas.org/content/111/13/4832.full.pdf


First stage Indo-Europeans who Indo-Europized the Yamnaya Horizon via Maykop culture came from Leyla-Tepe/NorthWest Iranian Plateau.

Those original proto-Indo-Europeans were Caucaso-Gedrosia people like the Copper Age Iranians.


Yamnaya people (Steppe EMBA) were for about 43% Copper Age Iranians from the Iranian Plateau.









As you can see the Aryan/Kudish race was evolved from the Caucaso-Gedrosia people from the Copper Age Iranians from the Iranian Plateau/Kurdistan Zagros Mountains. Proto-Kurds/Aryans have always been native to Kurdistan

Why are you so focused on paleothic and copper age eras? You do realized that both my people and yours have long been mixed since then. You even had Assyrian and Jewish in you - I'm sure other Yazidis would too today. And I'm also sure that (Islamic) Kurds would have a lot of Arab in them due to Arab conquest and Islamicization. Now you may have been pure 3000-10,000 years, but you're not so pure now. Even Assyrians, mind you.

Indo-European isn't even a race and it's a blur. Assyrians are no more or less "Indo-European" than actual Indo-European speaking folks like Afghans, Pakis, Indians and even some southern Iranians, who would have Mongoloid, Australoid and even Negroid mixing. And since, as you proclaim, Indo European urheimat was in eastern Turkey, the peoples in the surrounding the region would be more "Indo-European" than those in central Asia (who speak the language), who are Turkic looking.

Look at your diagrams properly - The first farmers were Levantines. Except, you can clearly see that they migrated into Mesopotamia and then into Caucasus. Humans will always migrate. Go back 20,000 years and they are in Africa. Your people also came from there, as did mine. Those from the Levant were the ones who moved to the Caucasus and eastern Europe. Some stayed of course. The actual original Proto-Indo Europeans were Near Easterners/Levantines. They gave rise to your people thousands of years later, who started to speak IE first, and your people gave rise to the rest of the other Indo-European speaking people. You didn't evolve or come out of thin air in Mesopotamia.

Btw, IE urheimat being in eastern Turkey is hypothesis. Other proposals have the urheimat in Central Asia and Eastern Europe. So we just don't know really. Even the Afro-Asiatic language is theorized to origin in the Levant (as instead of eastern Africa), where it then spread to Africa.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2017, 09:24:23 AM »
If l understand this guy correctly he ignore all the evidence you give him and say what he want to say, so all just ignore him.

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« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2017, 02:28:59 PM »
If l understand this guy correctly he ignore all the evidence you give him and say what he want to say, so all just ignore him.

yes lol.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2017, 08:50:13 AM »
I don't think that Kurds have much of the Arab DNA in them, because Kurds are tribal people. If Kurds would mix with other races our tribes would disappear. But there are still Kurdish tribes. It is a reality. We Kurds know the origin of our tribes and our tribes are native to the Kurdish Aryan Zagros mountains. All 'real' Kurdish tribes have Kurdish roots.
Then why are the majority of Kurds Muslims? They didn't just convert by hearing about Islam. I'm pretty sure that some, just some of them, mixed with Arabs.

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Indo-European is a language family group. There is still some genetic connection between all the Indo-European speakers. 
We're all related to an extent anyway. It's a nuanced continuum. Assyrians are still vastly more closer to Turkic speaking people like the Turks and Indians too (if you want to go far) than to Nigerians, who predominantly speak an Afro-Asiatic language. So don't language families too much for granted.

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I don't think that East Iranian South Central Asians are less Indo-European than the Assyrians. South Central Asians are actually very East Iranid. They have much, much, much more Caucaso-Gedrosia DNA in them than the Assyrians.
Is that a modern DNA result or a copper age one? If they're pure Caucasians, then why do they have Mongoloid features? Looked at Afghans? They look more Turkic than actual Turks. Just saying.

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Caucaso-Gedrosia auDNA marker is an Aryan/Iranian marker. Even the people of the Steppes, who were the SECOND stage Indo-Europeans who invaded Europe were for a HUGE part Caucaso-Gedrosia people.
I'm lost now. Are you native to the Caucasus, the Zagros in Iran or Mesopotamia? Choose one place already. Lol.

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You are talking about the 'Anatolian Farmers'. The Anatolian Farmers had some Levant_N admixture. And the Anatolian Farmers later mixed with the Iranian Plateau farmers. That's how modern Kurds have some Levant_N auDNA. The Kurds got the (Semitic) Levant_N auDNA mosly from the Anatolian farmers
Not going to disagree with that. But why does it matter where we all come from anyway? We're from the Levant, you're Iranid. So what? What makes a Levant farmer better or worse than Iranid or Anatolian farmers? How does a nomadic lifestyle from thousands of yours ago benefit you?

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As you can see there is an arrow from the Levant_N to Anatolian_Chl and Anatolian_N. There is NO direct arrow from Levant to Iran.
Bonus question that I have been pondering about: Where were the Iranids 20,000-30,000 years ago? Surely they were NOT in Iran or the Caucasus all the time. You must confess and realize that they did come out from Africa or eastern Levant one time history.

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Anatolia intermediated between Levant and Iranian Plateau.
Even basic geography agrees with that. ;)

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There is a GENETIC evidence that proto-Indo-Europeans came from an area between the 'Armenian Plateau' and Northwest Iranian Plateau. Second stage Indo-Europeans in the Yamnaya Horizon were for a huge part heavily influenced by 'Caucaso-Gedrosia' people. Many Indo-European cultures, like Leyla-Tepe and the Maykop culture predate the Yamnaya culture.
Not denying that. There is genetic evidence that we all came from Africa. Doesn't mean we're all subsaharan African. If a modern, Swedish "Indo-European" gets a DNA test he will not match with Iranid peoples and the likes. If a modern Iranian person gets a test, he will still cluster more closely (not dramatically, mind you) to Levantine people than with Danes, Swedes or other Indo-European speakers in Europe.

Somehow, you want to make Indo-Europeans (from Icelandic people to Afghans) to have some sort of a close genetic relation, when that isn't the case in the modern DNA department. You still have more in common with other Middle Easterners and Western Asians (including Armenians) than with, say, the French or Russians.

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We had the archaeological evidences than Proto-Indo-Europeans came from the Middle East and now we have got a genetic evidence for that too.
This isn't news. The Middle East would have been a birth to many language families, after Africa. Language started in Africa, where it then dispersed out of the continent, into the Levant (where Semitic was formed), to Mesopotamia, Iran (Indo European, in your case), the Caucasus (Kartvellian) and eventually into the east (Turkic) and Europe.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2017, 03:20:47 PM »
Then why are the majority of Kurds Muslims? They didn't just convert by hearing about Islam. I'm pretty sure that some, just some of them, mixed with Arabs.
We're all related to an extent anyway. It's a nuanced continuum. Assyrians are still vastly more closer to Turkic speaking people like the Turks and Indians too (if you want to go far) than to Nigerians, who predominantly speak an Afro-Asiatic language. So don't language families too much for granted.
Is that a modern DNA result or a copper age one? If they're pure Caucasians, then why do they have Mongoloid features? Looked at Afghans? They look more Turkic than actual Turks. Just saying.
I'm lost now. Are you native to the Caucasus, the Zagros in Iran or Mesopotamia? Choose one place already. Lol.
Not going to disagree with that. But why does it matter where we all come from anyway? We're from the Levant, you're Iranid. So what? What makes a Levant farmer better or worse than Iranid or Anatolian farmers? How does a nomadic lifestyle from thousands of yours ago benefit you?
Bonus question that I have been pondering about: Where were the Iranids 20,000-30,000 years ago? Surely they were NOT in Iran or the Caucasus all the time. You must confess and realize that they did come out from Africa or eastern Levant one time history.
Even basic geography agrees with that. ;)
Not denying that. There is genetic evidence that we all came from Africa. Doesn't mean we're all subsaharan African. If a modern, Swedish "Indo-European" gets a DNA test he will not match with Iranid peoples and the likes. If a modern Iranian person gets a test, he will still cluster more closely (not dramatically, mind you) to Levantine people than with Danes, Swedes or other Indo-European speakers in Europe.

Somehow, you want to make Indo-Europeans (from Icelandic people to Afghans) to have some sort of a close genetic relation, when that isn't the case in the modern DNA department. You still have more in common with other Middle Easterners and Western Asians (including Armenians) than with, say, the French or Russians.
This isn't news. The Middle East would have been a birth to many language families, after Africa. Language started in Africa, where it then dispersed out of the continent, into the Levant (where Semitic was formed), to Mesopotamia, Iran (Indo European, in your case), the Caucasus (Kartvellian) and eventually into the east (Turkic) and Europe.

stop feeding the troll please. And yes, all Kurds have at least one Arab/Assyrian/Semitic ancestor. I can somewhat say the same for Persians although modern persians are more likely to be a mix of every ancient Iranic people.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2017, 06:44:57 PM »
I'm just going to nip this entire thread in the bud with this statement.

Even if Kurds are descendants of the Medes, what about other Iranian people? I'm very sure that many if not hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of Persians, Balochis, or even Luris have Median ancestry.

Secondly, not much is really known about the Medes in terms of culture so how do Kurds know what part of their culture was originally Median compared to Iranian in general? Kurds celebrate Newroz which is no different from Persian Nowruz and the holiday was invented by Mesopotamia...

Language scholars have already figured that Kurdish is related more to Parthian than Median. Kurdish does have Median words but so does every other Iranic language.

An important note is that a Median empire never existed. There's no archaeological or local writings. The post-empire Assyrians didn't write about a Median empire and the Babylonians didn't write about a Median empire nor did the Persians. The only person to claim a median empire was Herodotus.

So no, Kurds are not (direct) descendants of Medes. If you don't like it, deal with it and come back with evidence and a clear timeline of how Medes became Kurds.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2017, 08:50:10 PM »

We have DNA as evidence. We have ancient Copper Age DNA from the ERA of the Medes. And that DNA is identical to the modern day Kurdish DNA!


So does everybody else...

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2017, 10:12:03 PM »
What the hell are you talking about?

Islam is just a religion and NOT ethno-religion.

Indonesia is the biggest Muslim country in the world with more than 250 million Muslims. Pakistan is also a Muslim country. There are many Muslim nations in Northern Caucasus and even in Europe. Are all those people also mixed with the Arabs?

Are Indonesians Arabs?

The legendary boxer Mohammed Ali became a Muslim. Does he also have Arab roots?

You do realize that Islam was spread by violence and rape? FYI, Indonesians do have a little bit of Arab in them, as do Central Asians. Kurds, in comparison, would have more. Why? They're simply in the Middle East and closer to Arabs. So intermixing would be occurring more due to the close distance.

Feeble analogy. Mohammed Ali was a single Muslim convert (NOT even a Muslim by birth). He probably descended from predominant Christian Africans, as did many other African Americans.

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Zagros Mountains and the Northern Mesopotamia like Shengal are all part of the Iranian Plateau

No region of Mesopotamia is part of the Iranian Plateau. You do realize that Mesopotamia is made up of relatively flat plains? It's hardly a plateau. The farthest periphery in Northern Iraq, where the Zagros form, are part of the Plateau. And they make up, what? 1% of Mesopotamia? 99% of Mesopotamia has nothing to do with the Plateau. So geography and geology simply disagree with you here. Refer to this map:



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Nobody knows that. We don't have ancient DNA that old.

What we have got is ancient DNA from the Levant and the Zagros Mountains of 10000 years old. And those people were very different from each other. There was more distance than between African and people from China.

Um, we do have ancient DNA. We are all traced to Africa. Your people didn't spawn in the Zagros out of nowhere. They all eventually came from the African continent, like we all did. Sure, some were more recent or belated exports, but we all came from one place. And so what?

Nope, we're not that different, especially today. You're making a severe overstatement. Levant farmers and Iranid people are as different as Slavs and Italics - Similar peoples, but a wholly differing culture and moderately distinct looks. Your hatred and disgust of Levantines wouldn't make them so distinct to you. Heck, your own gedmatch had Assyrian and Jewish. Last time I checked, Africans don't even have east Asian in them (and vice versa). Lmao.

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There has always been a difference between the ancient Iranian people and the European people.

The mighty ARAYN Medes were like Kurds NORTH West Iranian people and NOT Celtic, Germanic or Slavic. That's why Medes were West Iranic (Aryan) and NOT Slavic, Celtic or Germanic. Once again, the Medes were WEST Iranic native to Kurdistan. Identical to modern day Kurds.

The Medes were not like people from Iceland. The ancient Medes and the ancient Persians were like modern day Kurds and modern day Persians.

You did not get my point. You just said earlier that all Indo-European speakers have a genetic relation (in which they do), and you seemed to emphasize on that part. All I said was that it's blurred nowadays - Kurds are still closer to Assyrians and Jews than to Swedes, Danes and other Indo-Europeans from Europe. And you should agree with this fact.

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Who cares.

But this thread was started to tr0ll the Kurds. Of course Kurds are the direct descendants of the Medes. We have DNA as evidence.

Like the Medes, Kurds are considered to be NORTH West Iranian people. Our language is older and much more pure than Persian, which is a SOUTH West Iranian language.

Well, apparently you care. You're the one who is preoccupied with languages and races. You just said that Indo-European came from the Middle East and I was like of course, since most languages derived from the Near East and Africa.

stop feeding the troll please. And yes, all Kurds have at least one Arab/Assyrian/Semitic ancestor. I can somewhat say the same for Persians although modern persians are more likely to be a mix of every ancient Iranic people.

His opinions surely are a bit too far-fetched, but he doesn't seem like a troll and he seems like a debater. He does provide sources and he has good eloquence, I give him that.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2017, 10:49:17 PM »
You do realize that Islam was spread by violence and rape? FYI, Indonesians do have a little bit of Arab in them, as do Central Asians. Kurds, in comparison, would have more. Why? They're simply in the Middle East and closer to Arabs. So intermixing would be occurring more due to the close distance.

Feeble analogy. Mohammed Ali was a single Muslim convert (NOT even a Muslim by birth). He probably descended from predominant Christian Africans, as did many other African Americans.
No region of Mesopotamia is part of the Iranian Plateau. You do realize that Mesopotamia is made up of relatively flat plains? It's hardly a plateau. The farthest periphery in Northern Iraq, where the Zagros form, are part of the Plateau. And they make up, what? 1% of Mesopotamia? 99% of Mesopotamia has nothing to do with the Plateau. So geography and geology simply disagree with you here. Refer to this map:


Um, we do have ancient DNA. We are all traced to Africa. Your people didn't spawn in the Zagros out of nowhere. They all eventually came from the African continent, like we all did. Sure, some were more recent or belated exports, but we all came from one place. And so what?

Nope, we're not that different, especially today. You're making a severe overstatement. Levant farmers and Iranid people are as different as Slavs and Italics - Similar peoples, but a wholly differing culture and moderately distinct looks. Your hatred and disgust of Levantines wouldn't make them so distinct to you. Heck, your own gedmatch had Assyrian and Jewish. Last time I checked, Africans don't even have east Asian in them (and vice versa). Lmao.
You did not get my point. You just said earlier that all Indo-European speakers have a genetic relation (in which they do), and you seemed to emphasize on that part. All I said was that it's blurred nowadays - Kurds are still closer to Assyrians and Jews than to Swedes, Danes and other Indo-Europeans from Europe. And you should agree with this fact.
Well, apparently you care. You're the one who is preoccupied with languages and races. You just said that Indo-European came from the Middle East and I was like of course, since most languages derived from the Near East and Africa.
His opinions surely are a bit too far-fetched, but he doesn't seem like a troll and he seems like a debater. He does provide sources and he has good eloquence, I give him that.


stop feeding the troll that doesn't contribute anything.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2017, 06:35:56 AM »
Stupid thinking. Kurds are tribal people and Kurdistan is a MOUNTAINIOUS area. Not many Arabs could reach Kurdish Mountains and mix with the Kurds who were isolated in the mountains at the first place.

According to our DNA there is no evidence at all that Kurds mixed with the Arabs. Kurds have still the same DNA as Copper Age Aryans
Arabs invaded Western Asia, the Caucasus, Southern Europe, Western Asia and northern Africa. What makes you so sure that they weren't able reach the mountains in the foothills of their own region? You are funny. Let this map speak to you:



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You don't knwo what the Northern Mesopotamia is. It is you problem and not my problem
You lack geographical reasoning. And that's a problem. I don't mean that as an insult. Zagros mountains occur in the farthest reaches of Northern Iraq, near southeastern Turkey and northwest Iran. They are a highland and they are not in Mesopotamia, or "the land between two rivers", which are made up of flat plains. That's just plain geological fact. Look at a darn map for your own good before making falsities.

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We don't know that yet. We don't have ancient DNA that old to compare. Multiregional origin of modern humans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiregional_origin_of_modern_humans
I'll stick with the out of Africa theory because it's the one with the most evidence.

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No, if you watch to the map you can clearly see that Neolithic Levant farmers and Neolithic Iranian farmers were very different races


For the love of God, look at how close Jordanians/Syrians and Iranians/Turks cluster in the second pic? Do you realize that these are neighbouring ethnic groups, just like Malaysians, Singaporeans and Indonesians. They're not races. Again, I don't see how a neolithic era is so relevant in today's genealogy of our people.

*Cough* Where is the Assyrian marker, btw?

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Kurds are still VERY close to the ancient Iranian people.
To a high degree, yes.

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It is possible that Assyrians are closer to West Iranian people than Celtic or Germanic or Slavic people. But that is because Assyrians are a very, vey small Afro-Asiatic Semitic population who is mixed with the Sumerians, Iranians, Armenians etc. from the very beginning.
You make it seem like mixing is a bad thing. We're only that mixed because our empire sprawled towards a lot of ancient nations.

Iranians are mixed too. They are more Arab or Semitic than Kurds, even more so than us, because of Islam conquest. Have you seen how much some Iranians look very Saudi Arabian, especially those living in the gulf? Ancient Iranian people, before Islamicization, looked more "Caucasian" and akin to Armenians or those in the Caucasus.

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Assyrians as a small population are very mixed people, that's why they cluster between the Levant people and Iranians. But the roots and origin of the Assyrian people (language) is Semitic. This is a fact.
Stop making it so black and white. We only cluster between Levantines and Iranians because we're, NEWSFLASH, situated between the two regions of the Levant and Iran. This is not mixing. We just are that way. That's like saying Central Asians are mixed with Chinese people because they are Mongoloid looking. No, they look that way because they naturally share both Caucasian and Asian features, without any mixing.

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The reason why I'm saying this due to the fact that Kurds are still very close to the ancient Iranian/Aryan people.
And I'm not standing against that.

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I'm telling this because I don't want to show that Kurds are like Europeans, but to show that Kurds are actually NATIVE to Kurdistan. That Kurds are from nowhere but only from Kurdistan.
You are from the Iranian Plateau (NOT Mesopotamia), in the mountains, and you surely closely bordered our people. We were the ones in the plains of Mesopotamia. That's where we originated from. Yes, yes, maybe we came from a different homeland in the neolithic times, but that doesn't mean a thing. Our written history and culture began in Mesopotamia at the end of the day. Can you please acknowledge this?

P.S. Kurds did come from Medes. Couldn't care less either way. But you guys have a bit of Assyrian in you, just the same way we have Iranian in us. It goes both way. And let's embrace it.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2017, 09:12:22 PM »
Because Arabs didn't migrate into those regions. They just conquered it. And later installed some rulers, That's all. But Arabs never moved into the mountains.

Modern Kurdish DNA doesn't have much of Arab DNA. Modern day Kurdish DNA is IDENTICAL to the Copper Age Aryan DNA from Zagros. If you compare modern Kurdish DNA with ancient DNA of Copper Age Medes you will find out that Kurdish DNA is very pure and didn't change for the last 3000 years

Invade. Conquer. Migrate. They're all pretty much synonymous to each other in a degree. Some people got mixed with them. Some did NOT. There's a reason why some Spaniards and Sicilians have dark skin and curly hair, because of their Arab heritage. Does this mean every non-Arab is now mixed? Of course not.

Yazidis may be very pure because they maintained their indigenous religion. Muslim-practicing Kurds are not as pure as Yazidis. Again, I'm not saying they all have Arab admixture, but a few would. If they adopted Islam, what makes you so sure that they weren't raped by Islamic preachers? You do realize that Islam was spread by force and violence?

Why are you so hard-pressed about Kurds when you're a Yazidi? I understand that you're a Kurdish ethnicity, but you seem very defensive about Kurds, Iranians, etc. At least I admitted to you that Yazidis are a pure Iranian peoples. Muslim Iranian peoples certainly are not, due to Islam.

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Shengal is at the heart of the Mesopotamia. Shengal IS between the 2 rivers. It is in between.

And Shengal is part of the Zagros Mountain Range, Shengal is part of the Zagros.

Sinjar is part of Mesopotamia, but is NOT considered to be part of Zagros mountains (look this up). The Zagros mountains, which are to the north, bordering eastern Turkey and western Iran, are not in Mesopotamia - That was my point. You should've been specific earlier.

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But the modern Semites from the Levant are very shifted from the ancient Levant people toward the Iranian people.

And that's an issue because? We all have to start somewhere and end up elsewhere. Humans will always migrate. Above all, the distance between the Levant and Mesopotamia isn't so great. You would've had a compelling argument if, say, Levantines originated in Libya or Mongolia. Be satisfied that we were always in the Middle East.

What matters is that we started our rich culture and heritage in Mesopotamia. Even if we had mice DNA in us, we became a successful empire and left a legacy there. Go back a few thousand years, even your people would come from foreign lands.

What is your point here?

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Aryans dominated the Middle East for thousands of years. Afro-Asiatic Semitic Syrians and the Levant people are very mixed people. Originally they were like the Levant Farmers. But later on they mixed with the Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers, like the Sumerians.  It were those Aryan people who brought civilization into the Levant and Mesopotamia.

Such ignorance. Amazed you still use "Afro-Asiatic" to determine a person's ethnic background. Btw, you are also Asiatic - Western Asian, to be precise. People would care less about your language family. You are as Asian as Jordanians, Syrians and Jews.

There is no evidence that Sumerians were Iranians. Let go of this codswallop already. Again, they could have been the ancestors of both Akkadians and Iranians. We just don't know. Quit being so biased.

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The thing is that Kurds are still on the same place as their ancestors, while Northern Semitic people are mixed and shifted away from the ancient Levant people, their original ancestors, because of the people like the Sumerians, Mitanni, Kassites, Medes, Kurds, Persians etc..

1. There is no clear evidence that Assyrians came from the ancient Levant people. Speaking a Semitic language doesn't mean anything.
2. Really bold and biased of you to put Sumerians with actual Iranian peoples.
3. Even if we did come from the Levant, so what? It was 9000 years ago. We can all be mixed by now. Including you.

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We were talking about the ancient Levant farmers. They belonged to a very different race than the Iranian Plateau Neolithic farmers.

Yeah, right. So the Japanese and Chinese are also two very different races? Sorry, but they're just two distinct ethnic groups of the same Mediterranid race - Specifically, you are of the Irano-Afghan race, which is part of the Eastern Mediterranean race. But of course, you wouldn't being say that, as it goes against your Aryan agenda. God forbid you group us with your people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irano-Afghan_race

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here is where the Kurds cluster. the Kurds cluster between the Iranians/Persians and Adygeians (Northern Caucasians)



Assyrians cluster between the Armenians and Jews/modern Levant people.

Yeah, because the map totally shows where Assyrians are. Your last sentence is a conjecture at best and I will take it as anecdote until you find a diagram/source that confirms what you're saying.

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But when we look at the Persians (Farsi) from the Caspian Sea area, they are not very mixed with the Arabs.

Finally, you're getting it. Yes, they're more pure. Those bordering the Gulf would have Arab ancestry. This is a fact.

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And Shengal is part of the Zagros Mountain Range and therefore the Iranian Plateau.

Shengal is not part of the Zagros mountain range. It's an isolate mountain in the middle of the plains. It's close to the Zagros, but NOT part of them. Compare the two:




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I have never denied that Kurds have some Assyrian, mostly Chaldean DNA in them.

Chaldeans are not a disparate ethnic group. They are an Assyrian tribe. So there is no such thing as "Chaldean DNA". You can say Kurds have mixed with a few Catholic Assyrians in Northern Iraq.

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I think Kurds have for about 10% Semitic (mostly Chaldean) DNA in them. But it is much LESS than that the modern Assyrians and in particular Chaldeans have Iranian DNA in them.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2017, 03:57:42 AM »
Yazidi don't exist.

In Kurdish (Kurmanji) those people are called Ezdi or Ezidi. My people call themselves 'Ezdi'.

'Em Ezdine' = We are EZDI !! This is how we pronounce it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy1HgHHKbWY

Now you deny Yazidis as a race? You're one odd "Yazidi".

Can you care to tell me why do Yazidis distance themselves from Kurds and claim to be a disparate ethnic group? Btw, you're one of the few Yazidis (actually only) to be hostile to Assyrians, Jews and non-Kurds in general. Which is weird. Because those who made you suffer were your Sunni Islamic Kurds and Arabs. No offense, but that's why I suspected you to be a Kurd in disguise. By Kurd, I mean a Sunni Muslim Kurd.

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Stolen Kurdish women who were raped by Muslims, their bastard children aren't Kurds and don't speak Kurdish. Daddies of the children of those raped Kurdish women were not Kurdish and therefore those children were/are not Kurdish. Those stolen women were assimilated into Turanic Mongloid and Afro Asiatic races. Turks and Arabs are a product of mass raped people. That's why Turkish and Arab races are mongrel 'BASTARD' races. That's why Turks and Arbas act like bastards.

That's your biased, prejudiced emotions talking. I'm sorry bub, but there are bastard children who claim to have a Kurdish identity. A decent amount of Kurds have Arab in them. More so than us. Let's not get hostile or insecure about it. Btw, you're a Yazidi. Only you guys are the pure Iranian race. So why are you hard-pressed about your fellow Sunni Muslim Kurds?

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Shengal is the HEART of the Mesopotamia.

Mesopotamia = Shengal
Shengal = Mesopotamia

And Shengal is part of Zagros and therefore part of the Iranian Plateau. It is a SCIENTIFIC fact!! Sinjar is part of the Zagros Fold - Thrust Belt. Here are the ACADEMIC articles about it

Facies Changes Between Kolosh and Sinjar Formations Along Zagros Fold–Thrust Belt in Iraqi Kurdistan Region

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285226964_Facies_Changes_Between_Kolosh_and_Sinjar_Formations_Along_Zagros_Fold-Thrust_Belt_in_Iraqi_Kurdistan_Region

Structure of the Zagros fold and thrust belt in the Kurdistan Region, northern Iraq

http://geol.uniovi.es/TDG/Volumen29/TG29-39.PDF


You can't change geology, how the Earth has been build, the structure of our planet.


Shengal is in Mesopotamia alright, but NOT in the heart of it. Lmao. That would be Baghdad or Mosul. If anything, Shengal is on the "neck" of Mesopotamia.

Read your source properly. It clearly says "Sinjar Formations Along Zagros Fold". The keyword here is "along", meaning it sits on the footsteps of the Zagros. Doesn't mean it's part of the Zagros. And who cares. How does that affect your ethnic identity?

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Asia or being an Asian is not a race, but it is a geography.

Like being an European doesn't mean you belong to the same race. There are NATIVE Europeans like Saami, Laplanders who are Finno-Ugric who are Mongoloid people. Those Mongoloid Saami people are very different to the very native Basque people of Iberia.

geography is not a race. Kurds or even the Median Empire are/was by location Asian, but by race WEST Iranid (Aryan).

"Geography is not a race" - Exactly, but then you're eager to claim language families such as "Afro-Asiatic" and "Semitic" as being races. It's amazing.

Let go of these obsolete racial terms already. And now, according to this article, Assyrians, Armenians, Levantines and Iranians are of an Armenoid race:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenoid_race

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According to the Sumerians they came from the mountains. 1 of their 7 Gods (compared to the Ezdi  7 angels) Ninhursag was even a mother goddess of the mountains.

Read the Epic of Gilgamesh or an epic about 7 mountains to Arrata, or those epics are concetrated around ZUBI (Zagros) Mountains. Sumerian called their original land KUR-gal. Kur = montains

Yes, and? Assyrians lived around those areas too, and would have been in the mountains. Who said that the mountains in northwest Asia only belonged to Iranian peoples? Maybe we shared them. Ever think of that?

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What is your point? In Iran live many different races/people. Iran is a MULTI-ethnic country.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnicities_in_Iran

MORE than 20% of people in Iran are Turks. This is more than 16 million people (of total population of 81 million)

There are 3% of Arabs in Iran who live mostly in Khuzestan province. = 2.5 million (81 x 0.03). 2.5 million Arabs live in Iran

Etc, etc.

Yep. Hence the fact that a few Iranians would be mixed, because you do acknowledge that they're a mixed country.

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With other words, ethnic Persians have much, much more Mongoloid blood in them than Arabic/Semitic blood...

Not going to disagree with that as I knew a few Persians that have epicanthic folds or "Asian eyes". This isn't surprising - They're more closer to eastern Asia than we are. 

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At the times of the Medes, there was no such thing as Christianity. At the time of the Medes, Chaldeans, Babylonians were NOT Christians and definitely not Catholic. Chaldeans PRE-date Christianity....

Oh lord, looks like you have no idea who the modern day "Chaldeans" are. They are NOT descendants of ancient Chaldeans from Chaldea. Modern day Chaldeans are Assyrians who adopted the Catholic faith. They're descendants of Akkadians and ancient Assyrians, just like we are. They became Catholics centuries ago and adopted a false name for their people - "Chaldean".

True Chaldeans living today would probably be the Sabeans or Mandeans.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2017, 09:17:29 PM »
Kurds are not animals. Let animals mix with each other.

My people are the chosen people of Meleke Taus. And as long they don't mix with other they stay to be the children of Meleke Taus.
Animals are much better than humans in my view .
Meleke taus is a bloody bird for heaven's sake , nice yes ,smart no , beautiful yes and that is what fooled your ancestors . There are those in india that who believe that the greatest angel is in a monkey , in a rat , in a cow , tell me how are you any different ? Nothing special about yazidi faith , same garbage stories stories like the rest of the religions .

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2017, 11:46:30 PM »
There is no such thing as Ezdi race. Ezdi people are part of the greater (Aryan) NorthWest Iranian Kurdic race.
My mistake, I meant "Yazidi ethnicity". I know that they aren't a race.

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I'm an Ezdi Kurds because both of my parents are pure Ezdi Kurds. I've nothing to do with Islam, neither Sunni nor Shia. I was born as an Ezdi and I was baptized by an Ezdi priest from the very beginning right after my birth. I'm a son of the Ezdi people and one of the chosen people of Tause Melek.
I did say that Yazidis are pure because they have nothing to do with Islam and its raping conquest. Sunni Kurds on the other hand....Well, I won't be reiterating that.

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I'm hostile against those who are hostile against my race.
We are "hostile" in retaliation to Sunni Muslim Kurds who are aggressive towards us (the some of them). Why are you, a Yazidi, interfering and playing a victim? We have nothing against Yazidis Kurds. Can you learn that at least?

And yet again, in another thread of Proud Arab, you're comparing us to "n!ggers" and calling us mixed. Nothing wrong with being mixed with blacks, but you're expressing your opinion in a condescending matter, and to feel "superior". Didn't I told you that the world will see you no different from other Middle Easterners, and how we're all pretty much terrorist-looking, Arab "sand******s"? Be aware of that.

I'm sorry, but I think you're a Kurd of Sunni background. That same Kurd who was brought up to hate to Assyrians. You're using "Yazidi" as a masquerade, so we can take the focus of Kurdish Muslims and rather, hate on innocent Pagan Yazidis instead, huh? Nice ploy.

If you want to be "more" accurate, your "race" is mentioned to be part of the Irano-Afghan race and Armenoid races (which *cough cough* involve us and Arabs). And I linked you these articles. But of course, these articles won't fit your "Aryan" agenda.

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Most Kurds (in Northern, Western, Southern and Eastern Kurdistan) are as pure as I am.
Yazidis are pure. But most Kurds would have a little bit of Arab - Some more or less than others. Even we do. And there's nothing wrong with that. Why do you care about Muslim Kurds so much? I am flabbergasted.

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I don't know any bastard child from 'Kurdish' mother and non-Kurdish father who call themselve 'Kurd'. I never met such people.
It's not everyday people will come out and yell out what their ethnic makeup is. And I'm not saying their parent is Arab. I'm talking about generations ago. Their great-great-great x10 grandparents. Back 500-1000 years when Islam was spreading violently. That's when they would have Arab heritage. Again, who cares. You're a Yazidi, right? You're very pure. Who cares about Sunni Kurds?

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Shengal is a border area between Rojava and Bashur. Shengal is actually the heart of Mesopotamia. Mesopotamia is not only in 'Iraq', but also in NorthWestern Syria (Rojava) and SouthEastern Turkey (Bakur). Rojava and big parts of Northern Kurdistan are also Northern Mesopotamia.
I know that Mesopotamia extends to Syria and Turkey, but I just wouldn't say Shengal is in the "heart of Mesopotamia. You know that's not right. Try Mosul or Kurdistan, then yeah, they can be in the heart.

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Semitic people are not native to the Mesopotamia. Semitic language was born in the Levant/Eastern Africa. Most Semitic people live in a desert (Arabia). Semitic people are desert people and not mountain people.
Arabs are from Arabia, dude. Stop conflating languages with races of people. I can also say that Icelandic people are not native to Iceland, because IE evolved in central Asia/Eastern Europe. Even if we came from Mars, we left our legacy in Mesopotamia. And FYI, most of Mesopotamia is desert. It gets lusher towards the north in Kurdistan. We could have easily migrated out from the Levant to Iraq (as per your theory) and start a civilization there. What's your problem?

Btw, people can always adopt languages. Jamaicans now speak an English Creole. Are they now Indo-Europeans? I don't think so. Our ancient tongue that predated Akkadian may not have been Semitic to start with. So you wouldn't know.

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Kurds and Persian are Aryan people and belong to an Aryan race. Our DNA is different from the DNA of our Southern neighbours. We are native to the Iranian Plateau.
Yes, I get that already. Different ethnic groups have different DNA. So what?

Funny, there are no Wikipedia articles talking about an "Aryan race". Well, there is an article on "Aryan", and they only speak of it as a culture in South Asia or an identity by the Nazis. It's a loose, unclear term. Like I said, you only use it so you can feel as superior as Nazi Germans. You also use "Semitic" so much because, well, Nazi Germany was slaughtering Jews (who just happened to be Semitic speakers).

You are just mimicking them. You don't use Armenoid, Irano-Afghan (which are mostly used to identify YOUR race), but only Aryan - In which there is no proof of. That just figures.

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Semitic race is native to the deserts and not mountains....
Yep. Deserts of Mesopotamia in southern Iraq (*cough* Sumer). But then you'll get all flustered when I say we had connections to Sumerians, who actually did come from a hot desert and were neighboring our homeland.

Why do you hate the fact that we have connections to Mesopotamia? What have we done to you? That's why I think you're a Sunni Kurd in disguise. Yazidis are generally friendly towards us and have no problems. You seem to hate Assyrians and have a superiority complex (or inferiority even) when it comes to us. What's the deal?

P.S. Who are the ancient Akkadians/Assyrians? Are they our ancestors to you or not?
It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change. - Charles Darwin

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I don't care about what other think. The facts is that Aryans and Semites are different people. This is a FACT!!
As different as Chinese and Vietnamese. Both look the same and have similar cultures, but are ethnically distinct. I'm sorry that you look like "Semitic" people and have Jewish in your Gedmatch. Not sure why you're hostile about it, though.

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Arabs/Bedouin belong to an ARABID (Yemenid) race.

http://Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabid_race
Exactly. These racial constructs are mostly redundant. Arabs are put in both Arabid and Armenoid races, strangely.

As BS as your Aryan or Semitic races.

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Assyrians belong to an Semitic Assyrid race. Assyrid = This Armenoid-Araboid hybrid type is alternatively known as the Assyrid
Wrong. You're putting "Semitic" to fuel your Aryan vs Semitic agenda. The sources clearly say Assyrians, alongside you guys and Levantines, are part of the Armenoid race. Although in other articles, you're considered to be Irano-Afghans.

Again, it's BS. They're obsolete racial constructs. You just go by "Aryan" and "Semitic" because you're trying desperately to be like the Nazis. It's blatantly obvious, and pretty funny.

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Once again, Arabs were not powerful for thousands of years, just for a few hundred years before Seljuks (Turco-Mongoloid people) defeated them. Kurdistan is in the MOUNTAINS, that makes for other people mixing with Kurds very difficult.
Once again, Arabs reached Europe and interbred with the Spaniards. What makes you so sure that they couldn't reach Northern Iraq, which is in the heart of their homeland? Kurds didn't just hear about Islam. A few, if not many, obviously mixed with them. Again, why are you so bothered? You're a Yazidi. It's not about you. Christ.

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You act like a true enemy of my people. You are dividing my people. Kurds are 1 people, 1 race, 1 root, 1 language
Of course. Sunni Kurds (besides Muslim Arabs) are slaughtering you guys for being pagans, but we're your enemies. Makes perfect sense.

And who is dividing you? Yazidis did that themselves. Not OUR fault that they call themselves Yazidis.

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If you think that Ezdi and Assyrians are going to live together, you are wrong big time. Ezdi ARE Kurds and the future of Ezdi is the same as the future of ALL Kurds.
Spoken like a true hateful and bigoted Kurd. Last time I checked Sunni Kurds have been killing your people. You are a laughing stock. Man, just come out and say that you're a Sunni Kurd? Maybe then I'll understand your arguments.

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Our Aryan race FIRST!
The only one true Aryans were the ancient Medes and Persians. Kurds are MEDES, that's why Kurds are ARYANS.

Medes = Aryans
Kurds = Medes
Kurds = Aryans

I use the world Aryan from a HISTORIC few of point to show that I'm a direct descendant of the Aryan Medes, while other people who are not like me are NOT.
You say Aryan (which is pretty much a South Asian culture). I say Irano-Afghan race. At least the letter term is affiliated with a race.

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I love history. I use the world Aryan to make a link between Kurds and Persians. I am sure that Kurds and Persians will have the same future destiny. Kurds and Persians TOGETHER can become a global superpower.
Sorry, but the word "Aryan" has changed. Like I said, it means a lot of things. To me it means blonde and blue eyed people from Nordic countries. It has nothing to do with Middle Easterners. That's just me. Oh, and a lot of people. You're going to put a lot of effort to try to convince the world what Aryan means to them. They'll all link it to the Nazis and Nordic Europeans.

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There is a difference between SOUTHERN and NORTHERN Mesopotamia.

Original Sumerians came down from the Mountains and NORTHERN Mesopotamia. Sumerians spread all over the Middle East and South Asia

Assyrians are mostly native to the SOUHTERN Mesopotamia!
*Of course Sumerians came down from the north, because your people are native to the north. How convenient.
*No evidence that Sumerians came from the north anyway.
*Sumerians are not 100% Iranid nor Assyrid. You can say they're a mix of the two.
*Assyrians are native to northern Mesopotamia. I think everybody knows that.
*If Assyrians are native to the south, then who's to say that the Sumerians didn't mix with us?
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