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Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« on: June 19, 2017, 01:55:02 PM »
Many Kurds consider themselves descended from the Medes, an ancient Iranian people,[44] and even use a calendar dating from 612 B.C., when the Assyrian capital of Nineveh was conquered by the Medes.[45] The claimed Median descent is reflected in the words of the Kurdish national anthem: "We are the children of the Medes and Kai Khosrow.

Those retards. Why cant they just be proud of their empire of saladin? do they really need to claim history of others? They even have a calendar when they destroyed our capital of nineveh, thats just an insult to us. Why are we not doing anything and letting them believe that they are the descendants of the medes? Why cant they understand that they are a mixed people and their history really begins at the time of saladin or maybe a little bit earlier?
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2017, 02:13:54 PM »
The ARYAN Medes are our direct ancestors because Kurdistan is in the same location as the state of the Medes. We have the same ancient Iranic (ARYAN) culture. The Medes had ancient Aryan/Iranid religions (like Mithraism) compared to the Ezdi religion. And we speak Aryan (NorthWest Iranian language) the same as the Medes. The Medes spoke also the Aryan (NorthWest Iranian language).

Kurds speak the same language as the Medes.

a) same location
b) same culture (Aryan / West Iranid)
c) same religious roots (Yezidism, Mithraism, Zoroastrianism etc.)
d) same language


If Kurds are not Medes, than Italians have nothing to do with the Romans and Germans nothing to do with Germanic tribes etc.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2017, 03:11:03 PM »
The ARYAN Medes are our direct ancestors because Kurdistan is in the same location as the state of the Medes. We have the same ancient Iranic (ARYAN) culture. The Medes had ancient Aryan/Iranid religions (like Mithraism) compared to the Ezdi religion. And we speak Aryan (NorthWest Iranian language) the same as the Medes. The Medes spoke also the Aryan (NorthWest Iranian language).

Kurds speak the same language as the Medes.

a) same location
b) same culture (Aryan / West Iranid)
c) same religious roots (Yezidism, Mithraism, Zoroastrianism etc.)
d) same language


If Kurds are not Medes, than Italians have nothing to do with the Romans and Germans nothing to do with Germanic tribes etc.

"Though some Kurdish intellectuals claim that their people are descended from the Medes, there is no evidence to permit such a connection across the considerable gap in time between the political dominance of the Medes and the first attestation of the Kurds" - van Bruinessen
The Kurdish people are believed to be of heterogeneous origins[16][17] combining a number of earlier tribal or ethnic groups[18] including Lullubi,[19] Guti,[19] Cyrtians,[20] Carduchi.
Median descent of the Kurds has found favour as a historical narrative among Kurds in the 20th century, so that identification of Kurds as Medes is now common in Kurdish nationalist sentiment, though some experts believe it is incorrect.

The hypothesis is not without its detractors, among them Martin van Bruinessen (2004).[48] Asatrian (2009) stated that "The Central Iranian dialects, and primarily those of the Kashan area in the first place, as well as the Azari dialects (otherwise called Southern Tati) are probably the only Iranian dialects, which can pretend to be the direct offshoots of Median ... In general, the relationship between Kurdish and Median are not closer than the affinities between the latter and other North Western dialects — Baluchi, Talishi, South Caspian, Zaza, Gurani, etc."[49]

Why cant you be proud of your saladin empire who was a kurd? Why do you need to say that medes was your descendants? Why do you put much energy for proving you are their descendants? Foraslong as you dont have enough proof noone will believe you, l dont hate kurds, l just dont like them claiming history that arent theirs......

You really dont have enough proof do make this believe, u could had some median blood in you but you arent the direct descendants of them as l have proven up there.....

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2017, 03:20:33 PM »
the connection is "possible" but there's no evidence or a clear transition of how Medes turned into Kurds. Meanwhile, there's already a clear transition on how ancient middle eastern people became modern Assyrians.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2017, 06:01:16 PM »


this ****ty kurd claim that they are the direct descendants of the medes and doesnt mention that they dont have enough proof, that only show how unintelligent they really are, where is the proof retard kurdish women! And she says the three wise men were kurds, ****! and also the kurds mention many times in ancient texts, thats not even true! And what l hate the most is that the video gots lots of likes and they all think what she says is true! Omg, l hate her show much now!

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2017, 06:30:50 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCvod_NgYic

this ****ty kurd claim that they are the direct descendants of the medes and doesnt mention that they dont have enough proof, that only show how unintelligent they really are, where is the proof retard kurdish women! And she says the three wise men were kurds, ****! and also the kurds mention many times in ancient texts, thats not even true! And what l hate the most is that the video gots lots of likes and they all think what she says is true! Omg, l hate her show much now!


claims are claims, no sources or evidence means you can dismiss them. The 3 wise men had no names given either.

Also, she blatantly lies that Europeans didn't allow Kurds to have a country which is BS. Europeans had the Treaty of Sevres which was to guarantee an independent Kurdish state but the Treaty of Sevres was negated when the Turks won the Turkish war of independence. Turks created the treaty of Lausanne which defined modern Turkish borders and removed any notion of the idea of Kurdistan.

Kurds think Arabs or Assyrians or Europeans have ruined any chance of Kurdistan when it was Turkey who has been stopping them since before WW1.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2017, 07:26:53 PM »
The ARYAN Medes are our direct ancestors because Kurdistan is in the same location as the state of the Medes. We have the same ancient Iranic (ARYAN) culture. The Medes had ancient Aryan/Iranid religions (like Mithraism) compared to the Ezdi religion. And we speak Aryan (NorthWest Iranian language) the same as the Medes. The Medes spoke also the Aryan (NorthWest Iranian language).

Kurds speak the same language as the Medes.

a) same location
b) same culture (Aryan / West Iranid)
c) same religious roots (Yezidism, Mithraism, Zoroastrianism etc.)
d) same language


If Kurds are not Medes, than Italians have nothing to do with the Romans and Germans nothing to do with Germanic tribes etc.
Last but not LEAST, it is actually the most important point the DNA.

We have got the DNA of Copper Age and Iron Age Zagros Aryan people.

Of all people in the Middle East, Kurds are the LEAST mixed people. Kurdish DNA is practically unchanged during 5000 years of time.

We have got the DNA of the Copper Age person from Zagros and my personal DNA is almost identical to that DNA.

The only difference is that Copper Age and Iron Age Zagros Aryans are even a little more native to the Iranian Plateau.

So we have Iron Age auDNA from Zagros, from the era of the Medes. And that DNA is almost identical to Kurdish DNA.


So we have got 5 important points that relate Kurds to the Medes:


a) Aryan DNA
b) same language
c) same location
d) same culture (Aryan / West Iranid)
e) same religious roots (Yezidism, Mithraism, Zoroastrianism etc.)

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2017, 07:32:04 PM »
Actually if you compare modern DNA of the Middle East to the ancient DNA of the Middle East you will come to the conclusion that Kurds are the PUREST people of the Middle East.


Iron Age was the era of the Medes and Kurdish DNA is identical to the Iron Age Zagros people.


So, we can conclude that Kurdish DNA didn't change much the last 4000 years.


Here is the paper about the ancient Iranians, including the Iron Age Iranian of the era of the Medes.


The Medes = Iron Age Iranians = Aryans


http://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2016/07/13/science.aaf7943.full




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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2017, 07:40:39 PM »
Actually if you compare modern DNA of the Middle East to the ancient DNA of the Middle East you will come to the conclusion that Kurds are the PUREST people of the Middle East.


Iron Age was the era of the Medes and Kurdish DNA is identical to the Iron Age Zagros people.


So, we can conclude that Kurdish DNA didn't change much the last 4000 years.


Here is the paper about the ancient Iranians, including the Iron Age Iranian of the era of the Medes.


The Medes = Iron Age Iranians = Aryans


http://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2016/07/13/science.aaf7943.full







Article says similarities. Similarities doesn't mean exact :)

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2017, 08:00:32 PM »
Article says similarities. Similarities doesn't mean exact :)
It is almost exactly.

as you can see the closest population to Copper Age Zagros Iranians and Iron Age Zagros Iranians are the KURDS. Persians are the second closest. That would make sense, since the Medes and Persians were related to each other.

Persians - SouthWest Iranians
Kurds/Medes - NorthWest Iranians


I'm GOGA in this graph:



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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2017, 08:03:36 PM »
Iron Age = 1200 BC.

The Medes/Aryans defeated the ancient Assyrians 612 BC.



The Medes/ARYANS are even YOUNGER than those Iron Age Iranians.


Iron Age Iranians are most likely Mitanni & Kassites. Those were the direct ancestors of the Medes. So my DNA is going even deeper in time to the era of Mitanni/Kassites who were ancestors of the Medes.


Mitanni/Kassites -> Medes -> Ezdi Kurds


As you can see my DNA is almost identical to the ancient Aryans who lived in the Zagros Mountains around 1200 BC. The small differences could be same between me and my own blood brother. Nobody is identical.
But the CLOSEST population to the Iron Age Iranians are the Kurds.



1200 + 2000 = 3200 years.


My DNA is practically unchanged after 3200 years of time. It is almost identical. This is a great evidence that Kurds are the 'purest' people in the Middle East ever, period!



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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2017, 08:43:49 PM »
Iron Age = 1200 BC.

The Medes/Aryans defeated the ancient Assyrians 612 BC.



The Medes/ARYANS are even YOUNGER than those Iron Age Iranians.


Iron Age Iranians are most likely Mitanni & Kassites. Those were the direct ancestors of the Medes. So my DNA is going even deeper in time to the era of Mitanni/Kassites who were ancestors of the Medes.


Mitanni/Kassites -> Medes -> Ezdi Kurds


As you can see my DNA is almost identical to the ancient Aryans who lived in the Zagros Mountains around 1200 BC. The small differences could be same between me and my own blood brother. Nobody is identical.
But the CLOSEST population to the Iron Age Iranians are the Kurds.



1200 + 2000 = 3200 years.


My DNA is practically unchanged after 3200 years of time. It is almost identical. This is a great evidence that Kurds are the 'purest' people in the Middle East ever, period!





Medes didn't defeat Ancient Assyrians, Babylonians did.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2017, 08:46:05 PM »
Kurds are located at the same place as the ancient Aryan Medes. After the linguistic, cultural and religious close ties between the modern Kurds and ancient Aryan Medes the one must be really retarded to deny that the Medes are the DIRECT main ancestors of the Kurds since we have got also GENETIC evidence for it.

The Kurdish flesh and blood is identical to the flesh and blood of the Medes. Our DNA is simply the same. Kurds carry exactly the same GENES as the ancient Aryan Mitanni, Kassites, Medes etc.


Our soul and our body is identical to the Medes. That means that Kurds are actually the living Medes. The Medes are not a dead race. The race of the Medes is alive and is among other races.



And the Medes will reclaim their position very soon at the world stage. We reclaim everything what belongs to us. What belongs to us is our. What is our is our. And nobody can do anything about it!



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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2017, 09:02:00 PM »
Medes didn't defeat Ancient Assyrians, Babylonians did.
It were actually the NORTHWest Iranian people like the Medes, together with the East Iranized Steppe people like the Scythians and Cimmerians who defeated the Assyrians.

It is like what we see in Raqqa. The Kurds (Medes) are liberating the city from Daesh with other races. But the main fighting force of SDF that is liberating Raqqa are the Medes/Kurds. Without the Medes/Kurds all other races are useless. They need a leader, a warrior, to show them how to fight.

Without the Medes, the Babylonians would never defeat the Assyrians alone.


Btw, the so called Assyrians were not homogeneous people. And Assyrian kingdom was not that big as some modern maps show us. Many people/villages in Northern Mesopotamia were not Assyrians at all, but were under the political rule/dominance of the Assyrians from the South. Like Georgia, Armenia or Turkic speaking regions in Siberia were under the political rule/dominance during the Russian Empire or the USSR


The reason why modern Kurds have 'more' Steppe ancestry than Copper Age Iranians is because of those East Iranized Steppes people like the Scythians and Cimmerians. After Scythians & Cimmerians migrated into Kurdistan they mixed with the Medes. The Medes assimilated them into their race. That's why there is a difference between me and the Copper Age Iranian (5000 BC. = 7000 years old)

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2017, 01:38:03 AM »
It were actually the NORTHWest Iranian people like the Medes, together with the East Iranized Steppe people like the Scythians and Cimmerians who defeated the Assyrians.

It is like what we see in Raqqa. The Kurds (Medes) are liberating the city from Daesh with other races. But the main fighting force of SDF that is liberating Raqqa are the Medes/Kurds. Without the Medes/Kurds all other races are useless. They need a leader, a warrior, to show them how to fight.

Without the Medes, the Babylonians would never defeat the Assyrians alone.


Btw, the so called Assyrians were not homogeneous people. And Assyrian kingdom was not that big as some modern maps show us. Many people/villages in Northern Mesopotamia were not Assyrians at all, but were under the political rule/dominance of the Assyrians from the South. Like Georgia, Armenia or Turkic speaking regions in Siberia were under the political rule/dominance during the Russian Empire or the USSR


The reason why modern Kurds have 'more' Steppe ancestry than Copper Age Iranians is because of those East Iranized Steppes people like the Scythians and Cimmerians. After Scythians & Cimmerians migrated into Kurdistan they mixed with the Medes. The Medes assimilated them into their race. That's why there is a difference between me and the Copper Age Iranian (5000 BC. = 7000 years old)

not really, Medes were still nomadic, Scythians were more nomadic and they were just taking advantage of the lawlessness by raiding.

Actually, Babylonians did defeat ancient Assyria by itself. look up Battle of Harran and Battle of Carchemish. Battle of Carchemish was pretty much the last battle of what army was left of the empire.

Also, where are you getting your false information? None of this crap is in any of my history books. Are you gonna tell me Turks modified American history books?

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2017, 04:21:09 AM »
not really, Medes were still nomadic, Scythians were more nomadic and they were just taking advantage of the lawlessness by raiding.

Actually, Babylonians did defeat ancient Assyria by itself. look up Battle of Harran and Battle of Carchemish. Battle of Carchemish was pretty much the last battle of what army was left of the empire.

Also, where are you getting your false information? None of this crap is in any of my history books. Are you gonna tell me Turks modified American history books?

I actually thought that the medes were friends with the babylonians and they together destroyed the assyrian empire..   

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2017, 06:56:22 AM »
I actually thought that the medes were friends with the babylonians and they together destroyed the assyrian empire..
There was not such thing as an Assyrian 'Empire'. Just a small community with small villages that were ruled from the south (Akkadia/Assyria). Assyrian 'Empire' is overrated.

And after destruction of Nineveh, the Medes conquered Babylonia found a huge Aryan Empire called Media. Media stretched from Anatolia to Central Asia. It was the first Empire of it's kind. And it was actually the FIRST 'Aryan' empire/civilization...

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« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2017, 10:19:16 AM »
There was not such thing as an Assyrian 'Empire'. Just a small community with small villages that were ruled from the south (Akkadia/Assyria). Assyrian 'Empire' is overrated.

And after destruction of Nineveh, the Medes conquered Babylonia found a huge Aryan Empire called Media. Media stretched from Anatolia to Central Asia. It was the first Empire of it's kind. And it was actually the FIRST 'Aryan' empire/civilization...

Where do you get your information? All of your information is weird man
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2017, 11:06:00 AM »
Where do you get your information? All of your information is weird man
he or she is making stuff up and intentionally strawmanning and misinterpreting various information to fit his/her agenda. Some how thinking we'll actually believe it when there's no shred of evidence.

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« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2017, 12:54:36 PM »
he or she is making stuff up and intentionally strawmanning and misinterpreting various information to fit his/her agenda. Some how thinking we'll actually believe it when there's no shred of evidence.
LMAO, what agenda? It is actually your people with agenda. First your people come up with crazy nonsense about the history of the Kurds.

C'mon do you really believe that Kurdish race was born AFTER Saladin. Like there was no Kurdish race before Saladin. If there were no Kurds before Saladin, where did the great parents of Saladin came from? From the moon? My people were NEVER Muslim and my people are Kurds. My Kurdish ancestors predate Saladin by thousands of years.

Where did our NORTH West Iranian language come from? It is NOT from the Persians, since the Persians speak a different dialect of Aryan. They speak SOUTH West Iranian. And also, Kurdish is much, much more pure than Persian. Kurdish has still the ERGATIVTY in its grammar. Our language is not from the moon. Kurds speak still the language of their Aryan ancestors. And our direct Aryan ancestors were the Medes.GE

We have even the GENETIC evidence for it! No other race on this planet has more proof about their origin than the Kurds do.

And then people like you come with nonsense about Kurds and spreading lies.


You are same as you ancestors. Your ancestors also were tr0lling other races. And now we can see what happened to them.


You guys have big mouth, but how much Turks, Arabs or Persians did you kill for you homeland. You want you homeland, but you do nothing about it. You don't fight at all. You are SCARED of Arabs, Turks and Persians. You think that Kurds are the weakest and therefore you just tr0lling the Kurds.

We Kurds are the Medes, we are actually the strongest link in the Middle East, lol.


If you want some respect, you must earn respect. Show us that you are though guys and start fighting the Turks, Arabs and Persians. Because those Muslims are you true enemies. Pff, at least Kurds are fighting for their own homeland and the homeland of their direct ancestors the Medes.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2017, 01:07:26 PM »
Do Kurds demand from Assyrians to proof, come up with evidences and show the world that the Assyrians are connected to the ancient Assyrians? Simply, nobody cares about it. Nobody is obsessed with the Assyrians because your people are not interesting.

Do you have GENETIC evidences that you people are similar to the ancient people you claim to be descendant from?


Not many people/races have such a kind of evidences.

But Kurds DO HAVE those evidneces. We have many proofs that can show that we are directly linked to the Medes.



Somehow people are OBSESSED with the Kurds. Because they know that Kurds are the BEST . They envy us, and are jealous about our ARYAN race. That's why people including YOU are obsessed with us and spreading dirty propaganda about us.


FEAR the Turks, Arabs and Persians. Spread lies and propaganda on them. Fight them, kill them. Maybe then you will get our respect...




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« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2017, 03:03:18 PM »
Do Kurds demand from Assyrians to proof, come up with evidences and show the world that the Assyrians are connected to the ancient Assyrians? Simply, nobody cares about it. Nobody is obsessed with the Assyrians because your people are not interesting.

Do you have GENETIC evidences that you people are similar to the ancient people you claim to be descendant from?


Not many people/races have such a kind of evidences.

But Kurds DO HAVE those evidneces. We have many proofs that can show that we are directly linked to the Medes.



Somehow people are OBSESSED with the Kurds. Because they know that Kurds are the BEST . They envy us, and are jealous about our ARYAN race. That's why people including YOU are obsessed with us and spreading dirty propaganda about us.


FEAR the Turks, Arabs and Persians. Spread lies and propaganda on them. Fight them, kill them. Maybe then you will get our respect...






First of all we have enough proof, second u got almost no proof at all! Do you think you are interesting? The only reason why this thread even got here is because u claim to be the descendants of the people who destroyed the assyrian empire,  and ironicly even got the date our capital got conquered lol, u are pathetic, we.didnt say your history started at the time of saladin but that was almost the time u started to show yourself in the history books.  u are probably a mixed people but to say you are the direct ancestors of the medes is nonsense because u got almost none proof! Before claiming to be the ancestors of someone get some proof first before say to the whole world, that only show how silly you are. Your history sucks that you claim to be someone u are not lol, and the funny thing is that u are convinced hahaha even if you dont have enough proof, that only show that u got no braincells
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2017, 04:16:28 PM »
Step number 1. Language.

Where is the Kurdish language from and who spoke that language. Is it from the moon?

Maybe Turks brought it, wait a minute, maybe the Semites taught us our ARYAN language?


FACT

We learned our language from our ARYAN mommies and daddies


Step number 2. DNA 7 location.

What does our DNA look like? And what DNA had the ancient people.


Modern Kurdish DNA/genome is Aryan/West Iranian. It is similar to other West Iranian people.

We have got the ancient DNA of ancient people from the era of the Medes from Zagros Mountains where at the time also was populated by the mighty ARYAN Medes.

When we compare that ancient DNA with modern Kurdish DNA we see that both samples are similar to each other.


Now we have a genetic not only a linguistic match, but also a GENETIC match. The Medes and the Kurds are the very same people.




Talking about mixed people, Assyrians are very mixed people. Assyrians are so mixed that they are confused and don't  know where they are from. Are the Assyrans from the Levant, Arabia or Africa? They simply don't know it.

Assyrians speak a Afro Asiatic language which is from Africa. But their MIXED DNA has some connections with the Levant, Arabia and Mesopotamia.

This is the reason why you people are delusional, confused and have inferiority complex. Because you have no roots, and you are confused about your origin. You don't know who you are and where are you from.

What I know for sure is that you are NOT from Kurdistan, because ancient ARYAN/Kurdish DNA from the past doesn't mach with the Assyrians. ARYAN DNA from the Kurdistan/Zagros Mountains is very different from the Semitic Assyrians DNA.


You are ashamed of your Semitic roots. You don't want to be a Semites. And that's why you hate the Kurds who turned out to be the PUREST Aryans



You hate to be a Semite, because you know that Aryans/Iranians have always been more superior to the Semites. We were, we are and we will always be....





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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2017, 07:48:00 PM »
LMAO, what agenda? It is actually your people with agenda. First your people come up with crazy nonsense about the history of the Kurds.

C'mon do you really believe that Kurdish race was born AFTER Saladin. Like there was no Kurdish race before Saladin. If there were no Kurds before Saladin, where did the great parents of Saladin came from? From the moon? My people were NEVER Muslim and my people are Kurds. My Kurdish ancestors predate Saladin by thousands of years.

Where did our NORTH West Iranian language come from? It is NOT from the Persians, since the Persians speak a different dialect of Aryan. They speak SOUTH West Iranian. And also, Kurdish is much, much more pure than Persian. Kurdish has still the ERGATIVTY in its grammar. Our language is not from the moon. Kurds speak still the language of their Aryan ancestors. And our direct Aryan ancestors were the Medes.GE

We have even the GENETIC evidence for it! No other race on this planet has more proof about their origin than the Kurds do.

And then people like you come with nonsense about Kurds and spreading lies.


You are same as you ancestors. Your ancestors also were tr0lling other races. And now we can see what happened to them.


You guys have big mouth, but how much Turks, Arabs or Persians did you kill for you homeland. You want you homeland, but you do nothing about it. You don't fight at all. You are SCARED of Arabs, Turks and Persians. You think that Kurds are the weakest and therefore you just tr0lling the Kurds.

We Kurds are the Medes, we are actually the strongest link in the Middle East, lol.


If you want some respect, you must earn respect. Show us that you are though guys and start fighting the Turks, Arabs and Persians. Because those Muslims are you true enemies. Pff, at least Kurds are fighting for their own homeland and the homeland of their direct ancestors the Medes.

What part of "no evidence" do you not understand?

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2017, 10:41:57 AM »
The idea that we can read our ancestry directly from our genes is absurd. This is business, and the business is genetic astrology. We are all related, it’s a matter of degree .


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« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2017, 09:59:06 PM »
Who cares really? The Medes had nothing to do with Assyrians. Let the Kurds claim they're descendants of Macedonians for all I care. Won't affect me as an Assyrian.

What triggers me, actually, is when they say that they're 100% descendants of Sumerians (when we're more closer, if not virtually). Now that's when you and I should retaliate and tell them they're immensely wrong.
It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change. - Charles Darwin

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« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2017, 01:10:03 AM »
Assyrians speak a Afro Asiatic language which is from Africa. But their MIXED DNA has some connections with the Levant, Arabia and Mesopotamia.

Same reason why you Indo-Iranians and South Asians speak an Indo-European language - a language family originated in eastern Europe and northwest Asia - You people don't even come from there. The first IE speakers probably looked more like a typical Slav than an Iranian from the Middle East. Obviously, and genetically speaking, you did NOT come from Europe or the land where IE formed. The same way our recent genetic ancestry is not from Africa. You and I adopted the Indo European and Afro-Asiatic languages, respectively, because they naturally came to us as they merely became convenient in our daily lives.

The politicized "Aryan Invasion Theory" (a term no scientist actually uses) debate is worthless. It is simply a proxy for Hindu nationalists vs. South Indian nationalists, and now Iranians. Language can be transmitted with little or no effect on genes. And you know perfectly know this. But your agenda is to conflate language families with race. You are European and therefore "superior", we are Afro-Asiatic so we're African and "inferior". That's your retorting platitude. But regardless, you still have more in common with "Semites" or Levantines than any European peoples. And I know you're using Semite/Aryan in a way to emulate the Nazis.  :lol:



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You are ashamed of your Semitic roots. You don't want to be a Semites. And that's why you hate the Kurds who turned out to be the PUREST Aryans

You hate to be a Semite, because you know that Aryans/Iranians have always been more superior to the Semites. We were, we are and we will always be....

You're obsessed with the Semitic/Aryan thing. Assyrians have no idea what these terms even mean, the many of them, nor they care about them. They only know that they speak a language that is similar to Arabic and Hebrew. You're the desperate snob obsessed with a language family, labeling it as a 'race'.

Assyrians are proud of their Assyrian heritage and their language (so much for being "ashamed"). They're proud of the Assyrian empire and what it has done. So I'm not sure what you mean by "ashamed of their roots". Again, you're only making a big deal of these language families to differentiate yourself from Arabs, Jews and Assyrians, when in fact, you're as Middle Eastern looking as we all are, and more akin to them than Indians, Pakis, Asians and Europeans (excluding Afghans and Iranians). And I told you this countless times before. You're probably projecting massively. You're the one who is ashamed of their race here. Not us. ;)
It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change. - Charles Darwin

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2017, 06:45:25 AM »
It has been proven by DNA that people in the Yamnaya Horizon were Indo-Europized by people from the Iranian Plateau.

We have DNA of second stage Indo-Europeans from Yamnaya and those folks didn't look like 'Slavic' people at all. Slavic people are only partly (25-30%?) from Yamnaya Horizon and are heavily mixed with the hunter-gatherers. That's why they are considered as subhumans, since they were always 'primitive' tribes. According to the ancient Greeks Slavic people were cannibals.

We have got evidence that Yamnaya culture and Catacomb culture people had dark pigmentation (dark skin)

http://www.pnas.org/content/111/13/4832.full.pdf


First stage Indo-Europeans who Indo-Europized the Yamnaya Horizon via Maykop culture came from Leyla-Tepe/NorthWest Iranian Plateau.

Those original proto-Indo-Europeans were Caucaso-Gedrosia people like the Copper Age Iranians.


Yamnaya people (Steppe EMBA) were for about 43% Copper Age Iranians from the Iranian Plateau.











As you can see the Aryan/Kudish race was evolved from the Caucaso-Gedrosia people from the Copper Age Iranians from the Iranian Plateau/Kurdistan Zagros Mountains. Proto-Kurds/Aryans have always been native to Kurdistan



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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2017, 06:55:44 AM »
The idea that we can read our ancestry directly from our genes is absurd. This is business, and the business is genetic astrology. We are all related, it’s a matter of degree .
DNA is science now. I think you should to update you knowledge.

And DNA is saying that the Ezdi Kurds are among the 'purest' Kurds. Because of our ARYAN religion we didn't mixed much for thousands of years. While Muslim Kurds don't care about mixing...

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« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2017, 06:59:05 AM »
What triggers me, actually, is when they say that they're 100% descendants of Sumerians (when we're more closer, if not virtually). Now that's when you and I should retaliate and tell them they're immensely wrong.
The Medes evolved from the Mitanni/Kassites tribes. Those tribes were almost proto-Iranid. ANd those proto-Iranid/Aryan tribes were related to the mighty Sumerians.

Like Mitanni/Kassites tribes, the Sumerians were also Caucaso-GEDROSIA folks. Ancient Assyrians were mostly the Levant(-Arabia) folks...

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« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2017, 10:19:19 AM »
Who cares really? The Medes had nothing to do with Assyrians. Let the Kurds claim they're descendants of Macedonians for all I care. Won't affect me as an Assyrian.

What triggers me, actually, is when they say that they're 100% descendants of Sumerians (when we're more closer, if not virtually). Now that's when you and I should retaliate and tell them they're immensely wrong.

Many Kurds consider themselves descended from the Medes, an ancient Iranian people,[44] and even use a calendar dating from 612 B.C., when the Assyrian capital of Nineveh was conquered by the Medes.[45]

And thats what is annoying!  This affects us assyrians greatly that the kurds have this calendar and says they conquered us!

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2017, 01:04:12 PM »
DNA is science now. I think you should to update you knowledge.

And DNA is saying that the Ezdi Kurds are among the 'purest' Kurds. Because of our ARYAN religion we didn't mixed much for thousands of years. While Muslim Kurds don't care about mixing...
people are either **** or good in all nationalities and being mèdes , Mercedes , gypsies means nothing .

We've known that genetic diversity is good thing for years. Mix breed dogs and cats are known to have longer life spans and healthier lives. The same applies to humans , so being pure is really a bad thing .

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« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2017, 02:55:50 PM »
DNA is science now. I think you should to update you knowledge.

And DNA is saying that the Ezdi Kurds are among the 'purest' Kurds. Because of our ARYAN religion we didn't mixed much for thousands of years. While Muslim Kurds don't care about mixing...

Are u racist?

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« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2017, 06:42:59 PM »
people are either **** or good in all nationalities and being mèdes , Mercedes , gypsies means nothing .

We've known that genetic diversity is good thing for years. Mix breed dogs and cats are known to have longer life spans and healthier lives. The same applies to humans , so being pure is really a bad thing .
Kurds are not animals. Let animals mix with each other.

My people are the chosen people of Meleke Taus. And as long they don't mix with other they stay to be the children of Meleke Taus.

 

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