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Offline Neta1991

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Separation of the church
« on: June 14, 2016, 11:03:58 AM »
Is it true that our church separated and before it separated there was only one church being the syrian orthodox church of antioch? Later, after separation you decided to follow the teachings of nestorius and you were later called nestorians?

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Re: Separation of the church
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2016, 10:08:23 AM »
How about you show YOUR source first?
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Re: Separation of the church
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2016, 04:13:48 PM »
No, the Church of the East predates Nestorius and was definitely founded very early in the history of Christianity and was said to have been founded by apostles of Jesus. It's modern descendants are the Assyrian Church of the East, the Ancient Church of the East and the Chaldean Catholic Church.

The Church of the East split apart into two factions in 1552 due to one faction deciding to enter communion with the Catholic Church. This same faction then left the Catholic Church in the 1600's, whereas the other faction that had never joined the Catholics, eventually entered communion with the Catholic Church in 1830. So, these two factions had basically switched positions over a long period of time. The one that joined the Catholic Church in 1830 adopted a new name, "the Church of Assyria (Athura) and Mosul" however the Catholic Church then changed its name to "the Chaldean Catholic Church" which was the beginning of the modern Chaldean identity. The one that had joined the Catholic Church in 1552 and departed from it in the 1600's, went back to the original identity and practices of the Church of the East. From here onwards, this newly created Chaldean identity slowly started to encroach on the national identity of its adherents, leaving us with the Chaldean separatist movements of today -fortunately, not all Chaldean have been adversely affected by it and many Chaldean do not conflate their adherence to the Catholic Church with a separate nationality and are proud of their Assyrian identity.

In 1964, the Church of the East split into two factions again when they decided to abandon the Julian Calendar and adopt the Gregorian Calendar. Those who were against the change, split off and created "the Ancient Church of the East". Those who were for the change, were the dominant party and retained authority over the church which is known today as "the Assyrian Church of the East".
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Re: Separation of the church
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Re: Separation of the church
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2016, 04:16:09 PM »
^ As for the history of Assyrians in the Orthodox Church, I haven't learned enough about it as yet.
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Re: Separation of the church
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2017, 04:00:37 AM »
^Isn't the Church of the East technically an orthodox sect?
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