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If you're a citizen in countries like Sweden, Germany, England, etc, even if you're of foreign descent you will still be deemed a "Swede", "German", etc. Now if Assyria was a country with people all over the world (or at least the surrounds, like Armenians, Iranians, Turks) living there as citizens, would you call them "Assyrians"?
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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2016, 03:27:13 AM »
One race.

The Assyrian race.

We wouldn't be having to fight and we would get on to more serious things.

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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2016, 03:50:24 PM »
I would say yes. Most countries' native people are the same race as their nationality too, and immigrants no matter how assimilated will never be considered at quite the same level as the natives. Our goverments would have to be very strict in integration laws, the others would have to learn our language and follow the laws, if not deport them(the liberals here might disagree but if you disagree, then good luck trying to keep control over Islamic pest like Kurds multiplying like rabbits in your country while refusing to learn your language and rules)

Also Israel has fans here, I believe they have laws when it comes to migrating or marriage where they actually look at your dna to determine your jewishness. I believe a hypothetical Assyria would need some sort of racial segregation laws too. Our ancestors have kept us seperate from others for centuries which dna studies show, imo we should preserve our race that way too(again, leftist extremists love race-mixing so they would disagree with me on this too).

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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2016, 04:46:20 PM »
I would say yes. Most countries' native people are the same race as their nationality too, and immigrants no matter how assimilated will never be considered at quite the same level as the natives. Our goverments would have to be very strict in integration laws, the others would have to learn our language and follow the laws, if not deport them(the liberals here might disagree but if you disagree, then good luck trying to keep control over Islamic pest like Kurds multiplying like rabbits in your country while refusing to learn your language and rules)

Also Israel has fans here, I believe they have laws when it comes to migrating or marriage where they actually look at your dna to determine your jewishness. I believe a hypothetical Assyria would need some sort of racial segregation laws too. Our ancestors have kept us seperate from others for centuries which dna studies show, imo we should preserve our race that way too(again, leftist extremists love race-mixing so they would disagree with me on this too).

That's kind of a bad idea. Having racial segregation laws would cause more problems than having assimilation laws.

What we should do is entice foreigners to become citizens.

Also, we need to give Assyria a different name or else it'll too confusing for us.

Why not name it to Country of Mesopotamia? or Country of Ashur?

We can call ethnic Assyrians as ashuraye and non-Assyrians as ashurnaye

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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2016, 05:06:20 PM »
Question: ''If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"? ''

Answer (in my opinion, of course): NO.

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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2016, 05:09:25 PM »
That's kind of a bad idea. Having racial segregation laws would cause more problems than having assimilation laws.

What we should do is entice foreigners to become citizens.

Also, we need to give Assyria a different name or else it'll too confusing for us.

Why not name it to Country of Mesopotamia? or Country of Ashur?

We can call ethnic Assyrians as ashuraye and non-Assyrians as ashurnaye

Good idea. Yeah, its going to be diffcult because Assyria, Kurdistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey all have one "ethnic" group/name in them so it's sort of hard to say, Asian Assyrian or Asian Kurd unlike Asian British.

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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2016, 05:16:31 PM »
That's kind of a bad idea. Having racial segregation laws would cause more problems than having assimilation laws.

What we should do is entice foreigners to become citizens.

Also, we need to give Assyria a different name or else it'll too confusing for us.

Why not name it to Country of Mesopotamia? or Country of Ashur?

We can call ethnic Assyrians as ashuraye and non-Assyrians as ashurnaye

Worked fine for Israel though. And I don't like to say this but a hypothetical Assyria would need to be a dictatorship, simply because of the amount of muslims that would live there too. Any 'problems' they'd cause, which would be many, would have to be taken care of with an iron fist. Otherwise the country would never last long.

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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2016, 06:43:10 PM »
Worked fine for Israel though. And I don't like to say this but a hypothetical Assyria would need to be a dictatorship, simply because of the amount of muslims that would live there too. Any 'problems' they'd cause, which would be many, would have to be taken care of with an iron fist. Otherwise the country would never last long.

The only reason I see to have a dictatorship would be to keep native Assyrians from doing stupid decisions.

Plus, a dictatorship won't ensure control without a powerful army... You can have a good dictatorship but that's nothing without an army to back up their threats and enforce their rule.

Assyrians don't need a dictatorship but we can't have a multi-party system either unless it's full of younger generation Assyrians.

Plus, will Muslims actually go and live in Assyria? If they'll be a problem, our powerful military can always take care of them.

Because a good way to create a country is with a powerful military that's loyal to a state and not to a party.

Good example is the IDF of Israel; The IDF was formed as a combination of multiple paramilitary self-defense organizations and not parties.

Problem is that the predecessor of the IDF, the Haganah, split into groups and those groups had to be forcefully brought under control by the newly created IDF.

the splinter groups were called Irgun and Lehi.


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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2016, 07:29:15 PM »
The only reason I see to have a dictatorship would be to keep native Assyrians from doing stupid decisions.

Plus, a dictatorship won't ensure control without a powerful army... You can have a good dictatorship but that's nothing without an army to back up their threats and enforce their rule.

Assyrians don't need a dictatorship but we can't have a multi-party system either unless it's full of younger generation Assyrians.

Plus, will Muslims actually go and live in Assyria? If they'll be a problem, our powerful military can always take care of them.

Because a good way to create a country is with a powerful military that's loyal to a state and not to a party.

Good example is the IDF of Israel; The IDF was formed as a combination of multiple paramilitary self-defense organizations and not parties.

Problem is that the predecessor of the IDF, the Haganah, split into groups and those groups had to be forcefully brought under control by the newly created IDF.

the splinter groups were called Irgun and Lehi.



Well I'm trying to think realistically about this hypothetical country. Assyrians are spread out all over Mesopotamia(and beyond) so I'm assuming we'd get a piece of land somewhere in there, the bigger it is the more muslims are included. We could have a mass migration campaign towards a new Assyria like the Jews did with Israel so that we could eventually become the majority.

But what about the existing mohammedans and their rabbit-like birth rates in there? Are we gonna kick them out? It would be like Israel-Palestine all over again and we don't have the international influence and the backings of a superpower like the Jews to get it done. I would accept to be a colony of Israel if it meant getting their protection, but us getting a stable country in our lands goes against the corrupt interest of Israel and the Jewish states of America so we can forget that too.

I guess my main point here is how to deal with the hateful mohammedans. The maronites of Lebanon resisted them for many decades but slowly and surely the arabization and islamization grew. It's just not plausible without a bloody religious war I don't think.

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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2016, 07:47:30 PM »
Well I'm trying to think realistically about this hypothetical country. Assyrians are spread out all over Mesopotamia(and beyond) so I'm assuming we'd get a piece of land somewhere in there, the bigger it is the more muslims are included. We could have a mass migration campaign towards a new Assyria like the Jews did with Israel so that we could eventually become the majority.

But what about the existing mohammedans and their rabbit-like birth rates in there? Are we gonna kick them out? It would be like Israel-Palestine all over again and we don't have the international influence and the backings of a superpower like the Jews to get it done. I would accept to be a colony of Israel if it meant getting their protection, but us getting a stable country in our lands goes against the corrupt interest of Israel and the Jewish states of America so we can forget that too.

I guess my main point here is how to deal with the hateful mohammedans. The maronites of Lebanon resisted them for many decades but slowly and surely the arabization and islamization grew. It's just not plausible without a bloody religious war I don't think.

well thing is though, we need cooperation with alot of younger assyrians. Luckily that is occurring already.

To kick out the mohammedans, we need to give them an incentive to leave.

all we have to do is restrict them in a non-threatening way and, if they don't like it, we can tell them to leave and have our government supply them with airport tickets and passports.

The Jews got international protection because they waited till they had international support to create Israel.

Their philosophy was to do everything by the law and by the book. Plus, I'm pretty sure there's at least ONE international power that can aid us. There's plenty of them.

For one, we can always have Assyrians in Europe lobby for our cause as well as with Russia.

Many Jews of Europe are now leaving for Israel while Assyrians and Muslims are replacing them.

Considering how Europe and the USA are becoming Atheists at a rapid pace compared to Assyrians, we are effectively the new Jews of the world.

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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2016, 08:22:42 PM »
we are effectively the new Jews of the world.

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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2016, 07:35:37 PM »
Question: ''If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"? ''

Answer (in my opinion, of course): NO.
Why though? Lol
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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2016, 12:51:02 AM »
y tho???
Is that an actual person called Y Tho?
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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2016, 02:39:26 AM »
Is that an actual person called Y Tho?

lol no

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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2016, 01:49:37 AM »
I would accept to be a colony of Israel if it meant getting their protection...
you mean to be an ally with Israel?
I think that's fulfilling a Bible prophecy btw

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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2016, 01:58:40 AM »
No, foreign citizens (whom would be very limited) would not be considered "Assyrian".
Our immigration policy would closely resemble Japan's.

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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2016, 02:02:49 AM »
Our immigration policy would closely resemble Japan's.

Explain more please.

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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2016, 10:29:29 PM »
No, foreign citizens (whom would be very limited) would not be considered "Assyrian".
Our immigration policy would closely resemble Japan's.

I wouldn't mind that. It seems politically correct (more inappropriate though) to consider foreign citizens part of the native ethnicity. Swedes will always be ethnic Swedes, same thing with Germans, Danes, Dutch, French and Norwegians. If you're a foreigner there you just can't be part of that ethnicity, IMO.

Canada, USA & AUS are exempt though. They were built by many different ethnic groups in the past, and their natives don't "own" the land anymore.
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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2016, 03:33:52 PM »
you mean to be an ally with Israel?
I think that's fulfilling a Bible prophecy btw

being an ally of Israel will come with a price though...

by allying with Israel, we'll likely get alot more support for the West as Israel might lobby for us.

but that comes at the cost of all the anti-Israel/anti-Jewish mobs frothing at the mouths against us...

The cost is even bigger considering we live in, virtually, an Ocean of anti-Jews.

Hell, the only people around us that aren't anti-Jewish are the Kurds but that's because Israel is helping them, and the only reason Israel is helping them is because they want a buffer state to help protect them from Iran...

Which explains why the KDP is very anti-Iranian compared to most Kurds.

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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2016, 04:49:38 PM »
Explain more please.
This article closely illustrates just how bad their demographic situation is http://thediplomat.com/2015/09/japans-immigration-reluctance/

But for a quick explanation, consider this, that Japan's current population is 127.3 million people yet there are only ~2 million foreigners living in the country.   

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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2016, 05:07:17 PM »
This article closely illustrates just how bad their demographic situation is http://thediplomat.com/2015/09/japans-immigration-reluctance/

But for a quick explanation, consider this, that Japan's current population is 127.3 million people yet there are only ~2 million foreigners living in the country.   


127.3 million on a big island is a little too much though.

I've always advocated that our "perfect" population size would be from 10-15m and no more than that.

There's already wayyy too many people in the world (because Sunni Muslims want to take over the world with birthrates)

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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2016, 06:44:15 PM »
Make it so Syriac must be taught to everyone and everyone must learn about Assyrian history as well. Once that happens, a lot will assimilate.

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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2016, 08:30:25 PM »
Make it so Syriac must be taught to everyone and everyone must learn about Assyrian history as well. Once that happens, a lot will assimilate.

Not just Syriac, we should also have optional foreign language classes so we can have an army of translators ready to help modernize the language as well.

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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2016, 11:50:54 PM »
Not just Syriac, we should also have optional foreign language classes so we can have an army of translators ready to help modernize the language as well.

How so? By foreign languages what do you mean?

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« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2016, 11:21:22 AM »
How so? By foreign languages what do you mean?

English, Arabic, Farsi, Russian, Hindi, Kurdish, Greek, French, Spanish, etc.

The reason is that, what made us a very educated and smart people during the early medieval ages was because we translated the hell out of everything to Syriac.

Either a direct translation or creating new words for such a thing instead of relying on foreign words and Syriacizing them.

The only old words that we have that have been Syriacized is L-G-Q which is used to mean "logic" as "logeeqa"

other than that, all the logic-related terms have been in native Syriac such as Shqala "conclusion", 'elayta "premise", alecta "modal logic". The c is sadhe btw.

REMEMBER THOUGH, the language classes are entirely optional.

We should never force the foreign language classes on students like how the USA forces students in high school or college to take a foreign language course.

The only option for me was to take Spanish and I absolutely hated it...

When I argued that I don't want to take Spanish, people called me a racist and close-minded until I told them that I already spoke a second language.

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« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2016, 06:26:39 PM »
The only option for me was to take Spanish and I absolutely hated it...

When I argued that I don't want to take Spanish, people called me a racist and close-minded until I told them that I already spoke a second language.
Lol what's wrong with being trilingual? It's healthier for your brain.
In Canada we're expected to learn French in order to graduate High School, however, more than half of our students would not be graduating
if that were the case. Students with learning disabilities are exempt from that rule, they can choose another course to obtain the missing credit, ie. social science or psychology, much easier than learning another language.

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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2016, 06:29:37 PM »
being an ally of Israel will come with a price though...

by allying with Israel, we'll likely get alot more support for the West as Israel might lobby for us.

but that comes at the cost of all the anti-Israel/anti-Jewish mobs frothing at the mouths against us...

The cost is even bigger considering we live in, virtually, an Ocean of anti-Jews.
That is so true, even the liberal-minded arabs that don't hate us would start to hate us

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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2016, 10:13:08 PM »
That is so true, even the liberal-minded arabs that don't hate us would start to hate us

There are more Arab Zionists than Assyrian Zionists FYI :) Try going to Egypt or Kuwait or even Jordan (TALK TO THE ACTUAL JORDANIANS not the pal-Jordanians) and you will find a bunch of them, their number is actually increasing in Iraq as well due to Palestinians hating Shias and having the largest Non-Iraqi suicide bombers in Iraq.

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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2016, 02:28:08 AM »
There are more Arab Zionists than Assyrian Zionists FYI :)
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Very Funny! LOL does it even make sense for an arab (muslim) to be a Zionist?

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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2016, 02:31:26 AM »
Yes I would consider them Assyrian, you can be considered Assyrian in Assyria only if you follow the rules and be a good abiding citizen.


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« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2016, 03:59:34 AM »
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Very Funny! LOL does it even make sense for an arab (muslim) to be a Zionist?

Egyptians, Jordanians and Kuwaitis were harmed by their fellow Palestinians. In the case of Egypt, Hamas, Israel and Sinai (Egypt) continuously clash. Egypt keeps closing its borders due to clashes between two populations: pals and Egyptians because pals say that Egypt doesn't help them enough when Israel is involved in that whole Sinai mess. In the case of Jordan, Jordan gives Palestinians the citizenship because they only have "a Refugee document" to travel around the world (there isn't a Palestinian passport) and there are about 4 mil Palestinians whereas there are 2 mil Jordanians, so Jordanians dislike that they're outnumbered, not to mention, black September where Palestinians in Jordan fought against the Jordanians. In the case of Kuwait, it was one of the first countries to let Palestinians in during the nakba of 1948, in fact, PLO (the organization under which west bank is governed) was FORMED and FUNDED by Kuwait initially and then during the first gulf war the Palestinians sided with Saddam. Tell me, how do you expect them to love and support Palestinians then? People would always generalize and stereotype, and they will not just go like "Ok (some) Palestinians harmed us but that doesn't mean Palestinians in Palestine deserve it" - that's human nature! I'm talking about the people not the governments, heck even, the religious leaders in Kuwait would say it's Okay to be on the Israeli side blala because bablabla every once in a while and other arabs would go like "Wth, why are you saying this?" etc etc. To them, they have every right to hate on Palestinians because they brought "war" to their country not just a bomb, I know it sounds reckless to undermine a bomb but a bomb would be from time to time and kills maximum 1000 people but a war is ongoing and kills thousands and thousands so, I think if they bombed the respective countries then the people would not have hated the Palestinians that much or, they would dislike them yet not support Zionism.
 
P.S: Arabs do live in Israel (Muslims, druze etc) and a lot ,if not, most support Israel. Druze and the Bedouins are well known to have served in the IDF while other arabs who aren't Bedouins but, just muslims are the ones who would probably aren't Zionists.

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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2016, 02:54:32 AM »
Egyptians, Jordanians and Kuwaitis were harmed by their fellow Palestinians. In the case of Egypt, Hamas, Israel and Sinai (Egypt) continuously clash. Egypt keeps closing its borders due to clashes between two populations: pals and Egyptians because pals say that Egypt doesn't help them enough when Israel is involved in that whole Sinai mess. In the case of Jordan, Jordan gives Palestinians the citizenship because they only have "a Refugee document" to travel around the world (there isn't a Palestinian passport) and there are about 4 mil Palestinians whereas there are 2 mil Jordanians, so Jordanians dislike that they're outnumbered, not to mention, black September where Palestinians in Jordan fought against the Jordanians. In the case of Kuwait, it was one of the first countries to let Palestinians in during the nakba of 1948, in fact, PLO (the organization under which west bank is governed) was FORMED and FUNDED by Kuwait initially and then during the first gulf war the Palestinians sided with Saddam. Tell me, how do you expect them to love and support Palestinians then? People would always generalize and stereotype, and they will not just go like "Ok (some) Palestinians harmed us but that doesn't mean Palestinians in Palestine deserve it" - that's human nature! I'm talking about the people not the governments, heck even, the religious leaders in Kuwait would say it's Okay to be on the Israeli side blala because bablabla every once in a while and other arabs would go like "Wth, why are you saying this?" etc etc. To them, they have every right to hate on Palestinians because they brought "war" to their country not just a bomb, I know it sounds reckless to undermine a bomb but a bomb would be from time to time and kills maximum 1000 people but a war is ongoing and kills thousands and thousands so, I think if they bombed the respective countries then the people would not have hated the Palestinians that much or, they would dislike them yet not support Zionism.
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P.S: Arabs do live in Israel (Muslims, druze etc) and a lot ,if not, most support Israel. Druze and the Bedouins are well known to have served in the IDF while other arabs who aren't Bedouins but, just muslims are the ones who would probably aren't Zionists.
Yes arabs do live in Israel, however, I strongly disagree that "most" or even "a lot" support Israel.
Druze are hard working people and many of them do join the IDF, many of them live in Israel, they speak arabic but they are not muslim.

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Re: If we had a country, would you consider foreign citizens "Assyrian"?
« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2016, 03:12:15 AM »
:blink: Yes arabs do live in Israel, however, I strongly disagree that "most" or even "a lot" support Israel.
Druze are hard working people and many of them do join the IDF, many of them live in Israel, they speak arabic but they are not muslim.

I know what's a Druze. It originated from Islam and my Syrian great grandma's mother was Drziya from Suweida. Yes, arabs i.e. Druze (religious sect) and muslims (Bedouins to be specific though druze are Badiya too) do support Israel - they serve in the IDF. It's the muslims who aren't Bedouins (city people) in Israel that don't support Zionism.

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« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2016, 03:14:34 AM »
"Druze" sounds cringeworthy and icky to me. Reminds me of the words "booze" and "drool".....Lol
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« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2016, 03:34:49 AM »
Have a country called Assyria. Revert all city names to Assyrian names. e.g. Dohuk to Noohadra. Make the coat of arms a photo of two Lamassus. Main official language is Syriac/Aramaic/Assyrian whatever you call it. Erect statues of ancient Assyrian relics such as Ashurbanipal, Ashur, Sennacherib, Gilgamesh.

Make Syriac compulsory to learn to everyone and include Assyrian history (both modern and ancient) as compulsory. Basically they'll learn about ancient Assyrians and also about the Assyrian genocide (Sayfo) and the Simele massacre and how we formed the country.

Make a republic day on the day that Assyria is formed (somewhere in the hopeful future) and also include Easter & Christmas as public holidays. Another thing would be dedicating two days to the Simele & Assyrian genocides respectively.

Not only will this promote nationalism and an identity, it will also make sure this identity is always retained. I'd advise against having Muslim Arabs migrate to Assyria solely because it would be hard to make them integrate into Assyrian society (not because of any sectarian hate). Obviously that last point is debatable but that's what i'd do.

Also, i'd make sure it is a *secular* country rather than a *sectarian* country. i.e. it would be an Assyrian nation, rather than a Christian republic.

BTW everyone will be considered Assyrian. Even Arabs will be considered Assyrian, and you never know, we could assimilate them into being Assyrians as well. What you guys must note is that if we had an Assyria, we must be hell bent on improving it to be able to maintain the region. That's why Kurds and Iraqi's call us Kurds and Arabs respectively.

Imo i'd accept Armenian, Lebanese Maronite and Jordanian Christians into the country. Only because it would be easier for them to integrate into society.

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« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2016, 02:40:50 PM »
Have a country called Assyria. Revert all city names to Assyrian names. e.g. Dohuk to Noohadra. Make the coat of arms a photo of two Lamassus. Main official language is Syriac/Aramaic/Assyrian whatever you call it. Erect statues of ancient Assyrian relics such as Ashurbanipal, Ashur, Sennacherib, Gilgamesh.

Make Syriac compulsory to learn to everyone and include Assyrian history (both modern and ancient) as compulsory. Basically they'll learn about ancient Assyrians and also about the Assyrian genocide (Sayfo) and the Simele massacre and how we formed the country.

Make a republic day on the day that Assyria is formed (somewhere in the hopeful future) and also include Easter & Christmas as public holidays. Another thing would be dedicating two days to the Simele & Assyrian genocides respectively.

Not only will this promote nationalism and an identity, it will also make sure this identity is always retained. I'd advise against having Muslim Arabs migrate to Assyria solely because it would be hard to make them integrate into Assyrian society (not because of any sectarian hate). Obviously that last point is debatable but that's what i'd do.

Also, i'd make sure it is a *secular* country rather than a *sectarian* country. i.e. it would be an Assyrian nation, rather than a Christian republic.

BTW everyone will be considered Assyrian. Even Arabs will be considered Assyrian, and you never know, we could assimilate them into being Assyrians as well. What you guys must note is that if we had an Assyria, we must be hell bent on improving it to be able to maintain the region. That's why Kurds and Iraqi's call us Kurds and Arabs respectively.

Imo i'd accept Armenian, Lebanese Maronite and Jordanian Christians into the country. Only because it would be easier for them to integrate into society.

There's one issue though omta...

When there are no enemies to hunt, humans make enemies of each other.

We need to devise a social/political system that will not allow us to make enemies of ourselves.

Also, will it be possible to create a secular country when our culture is foundationed in Christianity?

It's still possible but it'll be very difficult.

For one thing, should Assyria have a big government (strong federal government) or a small government (have a loose union of different Assyrian states)?

Considering our current status of SOME unity, I feel as if a union of different Assyrian states united by a single government could help our case but there's also the possibility that it won't

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« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2016, 05:04:05 PM »
There's one issue though omta...

When there are no enemies to hunt, humans make enemies of each other.

We need to devise a social/political system that will not allow us to make enemies of ourselves.

That's why I said before that an Assyria would need some form of dictatorship.

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« Reply #38 on: March 02, 2016, 08:14:18 PM »
That's why I said before that an Assyria would need some form of dictatorship.

that'll make it even worse :/

Our first country in 2600 years and it's a dictatorship... Why not a loose federation of Assyrian states united under a single government like how the USA originally was when it was created?

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« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2016, 04:52:41 AM »
that'll make it even worse :/

Our first country in 2600 years and it's a dictatorship... Why not a loose federation of Assyrian states united under a single government like how the USA originally was when it was created?
Er no...We're too small to be divided.
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« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2016, 10:05:17 AM »
Er no...We're too small to be divided.

tell that to the Chaldean and Aramean nationalists (whom do not consider us all as one people...)

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« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2016, 05:05:39 PM »
There's one issue though omta...

When there are no enemies to hunt, humans make enemies of each other.

We need to devise a social/political system that will not allow us to make enemies of ourselves.

Also, will it be possible to create a secular country when our culture is foundationed in Christianity?

It's still possible but it'll be very difficult.

For one thing, should Assyria have a big government (strong federal government) or a small government (have a loose union of different Assyrian states)?

Considering our current status of SOME unity, I feel as if a union of different Assyrian states united by a single government could help our case but there's also the possibility that it won't




Imagine we are fully capable to have control over the whole Mosul city and Nohadra, in both cites you will have a hug population of Arabs and Kurds, what should we do with them? we cant just kill them to decrease their population lol. We will not have respect from outside.  should we give the Assyrian passport or what?. In a democratic country, the majority will be dominated. Here we have some challenge to their big population.

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« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2016, 09:25:05 PM »
tell that to the Chaldean and Aramean nationalists (whom do not consider us all as one people...)
Well, that would make us have three states - The "Arameans" and "Chaldeans" can have their own autonomous regions.

I just can't see us having 50 states, unless if you want our tribes to be states? Lmao....
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« Reply #43 on: March 09, 2016, 10:20:31 PM »
Well, that would make us have three states - The "Arameans" and "Chaldeans" can have their own autonomous regions.

I just can't see us having 50 states, unless if you want our tribes to be states? Lmao....

why 50 states? Why not 2-3 states? We'll be more difficult to get rid of that way.

2-3 states acting as one country.

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« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2016, 12:25:00 AM »
why 50 states? Why not 2-3 states? We'll be more difficult to get rid of that way.

2-3 states acting as one country.
I know. You brought up the USA thing first, sugah.
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« Reply #45 on: March 10, 2016, 01:50:20 AM »
Being Assyrian should not be restricted to a lineage. It should be based on sharing common values and the focus of affiliation to the Assyrian identity. All non-ethnic Assyrians would need to assimilate. All substandard Assyrians will need to pick up there game or take a walk. Take Googoo for instance, she's more Assyrian than most Assyrians because they would laugh, nauseate or die of boredom at the sound of making regular contributions to an Assyrian forum.

The modern day Assyrians are an amalgam of countless races anyway....what does it matter when we all identify under one banner and under one ethic?

I'm also a staunch supporter of eugenics. I believe we need to implement some benign form of a eugenics program. We ought to filter out bad genetics of both the non-Assyrians and pure-breed Assyrians who harbour bad genes whilst promoting the desirable genes of any citizen of the Assyrian state.
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« Reply #46 on: March 10, 2016, 10:13:11 AM »
Being Assyrian should not be restricted to a lineage. It should be based on sharing common values and the focus of affiliation to the Assyrian identity. All non-ethnic Assyrians would need to assimilate. All substandard Assyrians will need to pick up there game or take a walk. Take Googoo for instance, she's more Assyrian than most Assyrians because they would laugh, nauseate or die of boredom at the sound of making regular contributions to an Assyrian forum.

The modern day Assyrians are an amalgam of countless races anyway....what does it matter when we all identify under one banner and under one ethic?

I'm also a staunch supporter of eugenics. I believe we need to implement some benign form of a eugenics program. We ought to filter out bad genetics of both the non-Assyrians and pure-breed Assyrians who harbour bad genes whilst promoting the desirable genes of any citizen of the Assyrian state.

considering how diverse Assyrians look, I'd say we have very little bad genes but I could always be mistaken.

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« Reply #47 on: March 10, 2016, 08:00:23 PM »
I'm also a staunch supporter of eugenics. I believe we need to implement some benign form of a eugenics program. We ought to filter out bad genetics of both the non-Assyrians and pure-breed Assyrians who harbour bad genes whilst promoting the desirable genes of any citizen of the Assyrian state.
Just wondering, what are the "bad genes" that you're speaking of?
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« Reply #48 on: March 11, 2016, 04:51:24 AM »
3 states for Arameans, Chaldeans and Assyrians? That's silly! You don't have "cultural" differences just religious sects,dialects and live in different spots in Iraq so might've had slightly different experiences hence differing political opinions. A 3 state solution would be best with the arabs and kurds not amongst you guys! If you guys have 'autonomous' regions that would mean a separate: Education, military, health services etc so I think a federal government would be better i.e. Same military, same education but  can vary (no. of years, when do you start, subjects emphasized etc - just like from state to state in the US), health services (can differ but not a lot) etc.

Take Googoo for instance, she's more Assyrian than most Assyrians because they would laugh, nauseate or die of boredom at the sound of making regular contributions to an Assyrian forum.

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« Reply #49 on: March 11, 2016, 05:00:50 AM »
3 states for Arameans, Chaldeans and Assyrians? That's silly! You don't have "cultural" differences just religious sects,dialects and live in different spots in Iraq so might've had slightly different experiences hence differing political opinions. A 3 state solution would be best with the arabs and kurds not amongst you guys! If you guys have 'autonomous' regions that would mean a separate: Education, military, health services etc so I think a federal government would be better i.e. Same military, same education but  can vary (no. of years, when do you start, subjects emphasized etc - just like from state to state in the US), health services (can differ but not a lot) etc.



Well said Googoo. I swear she's one of the only non Assyrians yet she has such a better perspective than many on this forum.

This Chaldean, Aramean bs will be cut out. Once we create an Assyrian nation, people won't say they're "Aramean" or "Chaldean" and you can bet on that. They'll come begging to join Assyria, you'll see all the pro Aramean and Chaldean nationalists say they're Assyrian.
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« Reply #50 on: March 11, 2016, 06:07:13 AM »
At least the Assyrian Shicism isn't as bad as the Muslim one.

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« Reply #51 on: March 11, 2016, 05:36:52 PM »
Just wondering, what are the "bad genes" that you're speaking of?

The faded three quarter length ones that have holes around the knees and are ripped virtually everywhere on the front side and might even have a logo of a skull and dragon on them with oversize buttons on the pockets.

On a serious note, I was speaking of undesirable genes in general. However, in so much as we can, we ought strive to remove/reduce genes such as those that adversely affect health, those that promote negative psychological dispositions and tendencies (such as selfish antisocial behavior, lack of charisma, lack of altruism etc) and those that will cause ugliness. This should be done whilst systematically promoting favourable genes so that the positive development and conditioning of our genome achieves maximum acceleration.

This is where my nice side says we shouldn't kill people of course :) ..however, we may have to implement a complex birth control system and baby bonus system. We would also have to implement some way of checking/monitoring our population's genes or make estimations/deductions by looking for sufficient evidence gene expression. It may seem tedious but it does not have to be at all. Simple tests that look for obvious faults (such as Sickle Cell Anaemia) coupled with a birth control program can achieve great results. Naturally however, the stronger the testing, the better the results. The idea of a modern police force would need to be reworked significantly to enforce this effectively.
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« Reply #52 on: March 11, 2016, 08:46:50 PM »
The faded three quarter length ones that have holes around the knees and are ripped virtually everywhere on the front side and might even have a logo of a skull and dragon on them with oversize buttons on the pockets.

On a serious note, I was speaking of undesirable genes in general. However, in so much as we can, we ought strive to remove/reduce genes such as those that adversely affect health, those that promote negative psychological dispositions and tendencies (such as selfish antisocial behavior, lack of charisma, lack of altruism etc) and those that will cause ugliness. This should be done whilst systematically promoting favourable genes so that the positive development and conditioning of our genome achieves maximum acceleration.

This is where my nice side says we shouldn't kill people of course :) ..however, we may have to implement a complex birth control system and baby bonus system. We would also have to implement some way of checking/monitoring our population's genes or make estimations/deductions by looking for sufficient evidence gene expression. It may seem tedious but it does not have to be at all. Simple tests that look for obvious faults (such as Sickle Cell Anaemia) coupled with a birth control program can achieve great results. Naturally however, the stronger the testing, the better the results. The idea of a modern police force would need to be reworked significantly to enforce this effectively.

baby bonus system is easy, just lower taxes for any family with more than a certain amount of kids.

for each extra child, lower the taxes more to a certain limit.

I'm pretty sure people will find a way to exploit it but it'll do for now.


Our Police force should be the best in the entire region and helpful to all people, not like the ****ty KRG police who willingly do not help Assyrians whenever they need help...


lack of charisma is not an undesirable gene, it's a personality flaw...

I don't have charisma, are you saying my genetic disposition should be bred out?

First off, the only eugenics we should be doing is removing genetic diseases, not removing other genes that exist for a reason.

Removing genetic diseases doesn't make you sound like some extremist like saying "remove lack of altruism and lack of charisma"...


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« Reply #53 on: March 11, 2016, 09:04:11 PM »
On a serious note, I was speaking of undesirable genes in general. However, in so much as we can, we ought strive to remove/reduce genes such as those that adversely affect health, those that promote negative psychological dispositions and tendencies (such as selfish antisocial behavior, lack of charisma, lack of altruism etc) and those that will cause ugliness. This should be done whilst systematically promoting favourable genes so that the positive development and conditioning of our genome achieves maximum acceleration.
These tendencies aren't that bad, though. I'll try to "get rid of" genes that cause depression, phobias and anxiety. It's okay to not be that altruistic or charismatic. Lacking them isn't a fundamentally bad thing. :-)

Ugliness and attractiveness is very subjective. I know a few people who are deemed ugly by many, and yet I see beauty and/or sex appeal in them. :)
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« Reply #54 on: March 12, 2016, 05:34:49 AM »
baby bonus system is easy, just lower taxes for any family with more than a certain amount of kids.

for each extra child, lower the taxes more to a certain limit.

I'm pretty sure people will find a way to exploit it but it'll do for now.


Our Police force should be the best in the entire region and helpful to all people, not like the ****ty KRG police who willingly do not help Assyrians whenever they need help...


lack of charisma is not an undesirable gene, it's a personality flaw...

I don't have charisma, are you saying my genetic disposition should be bred out?

First off, the only eugenics we should be doing is removing genetic diseases, not removing other genes that exist for a reason.

Removing genetic diseases doesn't make you sound like some extremist like saying "remove lack of altruism and lack of charisma"...

I did not say that the lack of charisma was a gene in itself. I said that we should remove/reduce genes "..that promote negative psychological dispositions and tendencies (such as selfish antisocial behavior, lack of charisma, lack of altruism etc)...".

Its good to see that you don't think it's extreme but many people think it is. Obviously not because of the health benefits, but for controlling how the population breeds; helping some parts of the population whilst stopping others from having kids.

Surely diseases aren't the be all and end all though? We shouldn't use eugenics to merely avoid, but to improve as well. We should strive to make better looking, smarter and more ideal people. It's a truism that ideal is subjective, but there are many notions of ideal we can all agree on. I'm sure we would all want to enhance the populations vision, reading abilities, physical strength etc
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« Reply #55 on: March 12, 2016, 05:45:30 AM »
These tendencies aren't that bad, though. I'll try to "get rid of" genes that cause depression, phobias and anxiety. It's okay to not be that altruistic or charismatic. Lacking them isn't a fundamentally bad thing. :-)

Ugliness and attractiveness is very subjective. I know a few people who are deemed ugly by many, and yet I see beauty and/or sex appeal in them. :)

Like i said in the post just prior to this, there are thing's we can all agree on when it comes to ideals. Appearance is just another category under what our ideals are.

I'm sure that when you say 'these tendencies aren't that bad', your looking at it from a personal perspective but i'm talking about what our nation can establish as 'selfish'. We might not all agree on what it is exactly, but we certainly will have standards. A wealthy person who steals from charity organisations for personal gain would clearly be selfish. If  it could be established that that selfishness was linked to an undesirable gene, it should be removed from the society. The columbine massacre was undertaken by people who demonstrated severe 'anti-social' behaviour. If that can be found to have been encouraged by genes that we could afford to remove from our population, we should do so as well.
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« Reply #56 on: March 12, 2016, 09:19:01 AM »
Like i said in the post just prior to this, there are thing's we can all agree on when it comes to ideals. Appearance is just another category under what our ideals are.

I'm sure that when you say 'these tendencies aren't that bad', your looking at it from a personal perspective but i'm talking about what our nation can establish as 'selfish'. We might not all agree on what it is exactly, but we certainly will have standards. A wealthy person who steals from charity organisations for personal gain would clearly be selfish. If  it could be established that that selfishness was linked to an undesirable gene, it should be removed from the society. The columbine massacre was undertaken by people who demonstrated severe 'anti-social' behaviour. If that can be found to have been encouraged by genes that we could afford to remove from our population, we should do so as well.
I should've been more specific. Yes, anti-social behaviour is definitely bad. Selfishness, may be to an extent it can be "tolerable" - I think it's okay to be a little selfish, otherwise you wouldn't survive, especially as species. I wouldn't say that lacking charisma is a bad thing. If everyone was charismatic the world would be a delirious place. And Assyrians are already loud enough. Lol.
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« Reply #57 on: March 12, 2016, 09:22:18 AM »
I should've been more specific. Yes, anti-social behaviour is definitely bad. Selfishness, may be to an extent it can be "tolerable" - I think it's okay to be a little selfish, otherwise you wouldn't survive, especially as species. I wouldn't say that lacking charisma is a bad thing. If everyone was charismatic the world would be a delirious place. And Assyrians are already loud enough. Lol.

All of the things I mentioned fall into a spectrum and we would definitely have limit's for them. Yes, Assyrians aren't deficient in charisma -it's just seldom applied appropriately.
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« Reply #58 on: March 23, 2016, 08:28:05 PM »
3 states for Arameans, Chaldeans and Assyrians? That's silly! You don't have "cultural" differences just religious sects,dialects and live in different spots in Iraq so might've had slightly different experiences hence differing political opinions. A 3 state solution would be best with the arabs and kurds not amongst you guys! If you guys have 'autonomous' regions that would mean a separate: Education, military, health services etc so I think a federal government would be better i.e. Same military, same education but  can vary (no. of years, when do you start, subjects emphasized etc - just like from state to state in the US), health services (can differ but not a lot) etc.

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Who is silly for saying this? Us or them? It's what THEY want. NOT us. Of course we want our people united, but many Arameans and some Chaldeans are so into the idea of being independent themselves. Go tell them that. Lol.
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« Reply #59 on: April 04, 2016, 10:50:50 AM »
Good question, the answer is definitely no.

A mouse that is born in a stable does not make it a horse.
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« Reply #60 on: April 05, 2016, 09:34:07 AM »
Good question, the answer is definitely no.

A mouse that is born in a stable does not make it a horse.

irrelevant analogy, horses and mice are different species but Assyrians and Arabs/Turks/Kurds are not different species.

I'm pretty sure the Arabs and Kurds who will likely live in Assyria will be productive members of society, else our people will throw them out.

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« Reply #61 on: April 05, 2016, 06:40:42 PM »
irrelevant analogy, horses and mice are different species but Assyrians and Arabs/Turks/Kurds are not different species.

I'm pretty sure the Arabs and Kurds who will likely live in Assyria will be productive members of society, else our people will throw them out.

I'm pretty sure they're the ones that are throwing us out now. So much for being the same species, right?

Being Assyrian is more than the dirt on the ground. It's the blood that ties us together, the shared language/heritage. Kurds and Arabs will not respect that.

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« Reply #62 on: April 05, 2016, 08:46:50 PM »
I'm pretty sure they're the ones that are throwing us out now. So much for being the same species, right?

Being Assyrian is more than the dirt on the ground. It's the blood that ties us together, the shared language/heritage. Kurds and Arabs will not respect that.

You realize that if we make our country, all the Kurds and Arabs will rush to it because they'll be tired of religious and dictator tyranny.

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« Reply #63 on: April 05, 2016, 08:54:02 PM »
You realize that if we make our country, all the Kurds and Arabs will rush to it because they'll be tired of religious and dictator tyranny.

Probably let a small minority of Kurdish and Arab Muslims in Assyria so Muslim countries around us don't see us as 'Anti-Muslim'.

I wouldn't mind if like 100k+ Ezidis lived in Assyria, after all they aren't Muslim and they don't cause trouble.

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« Reply #64 on: April 05, 2016, 08:55:55 PM »
Probably let a small minority of Kurdish and Arab Muslims in Assyria so Muslim countries around us don't see us as 'Anti-Muslim'.

I wouldn't mind if like 100k+ Ezidis lived in Assyria, after all they aren't Muslim and they don't cause trouble.
I agree.

And of course, they'd have to assimilate.
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« Reply #65 on: April 05, 2016, 10:25:10 PM »
I agree.

And of course, they'd have to assimilate.

assimilating will be impossible unless we "Assyrianize" Islam...

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« Reply #66 on: April 05, 2016, 10:27:48 PM »
You realize that if we make our country, all the Kurds and Arabs will rush to it because they'll be tired of religious and dictator tyranny.
I realize that. This is why we would have our own borders and we have a right to secure them.

I wouldn't mind if like 100k+ Ezidis lived in Assyria, after all they aren't Muslim and they don't cause trouble.
No thanks. Even if Ezidis payed lip service to Buddha, they shouldn't be in Assyria. They can go to Kurdistan, their kin, which is right next to us. Maybe 2 or 3 families might assimilate, but once they become a majority, you bet they will become sectarianist. This isn't about religion.

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« Reply #67 on: April 05, 2016, 10:38:16 PM »
assimilating will be impossible unless we "Assyrianize" Islam...

How do we Assyrianize Islam?

We can practice that method on some Kurdish tribes in south-east Turkey if you want  :loool:


I realize that. This is why we would have our own borders and we have a right to secure them.
No thanks. Even if Ezidis payed lip service to Buddha, they shouldn't be in Assyria. They can go to Kurdistan, their kin, which is right next to us. Maybe 2 or 3 families might assimilate, but once they become a majority, you bet they will become sectarianist. This isn't about religion.

Do you even know what Ezidis are doing on social media?

#EzidisAreNotKurds

https://www.instagram.com/yezidis_are_no_kurds/
https://twitter.com/ezidis

And I agree, they are not Kurds they are better then Kurds and Kurdish Muslims have been oppressing them for years.

You say Ezidis will cause sectarianism, yet you say it's not about religion?

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« Reply #68 on: April 05, 2016, 11:00:29 PM »
How do we Assyrianize Islam?

We can practice that method on some Kurdish tribes in south-east Turkey if you want  :loool:


Do you even know what Ezidis are doing on social media?

#EzidisAreNotKurds

https://www.instagram.com/yezidis_are_no_kurds/
https://twitter.com/ezidis

And I agree, they are not Kurds they are better then Kurds and Kurdish Muslims have been oppressing them for years.

You say Ezidis will cause sectarianism, yet you say it's not about religion?


You said we should let Ezidis in because they are not Muslim, i'm saying the religion is irrelevant because Ezidis are still their own group of people. Whether they are Kurdish or not, why should we have them in our country in the first place? They can freely live in Kurdistan or form their own country if they want. Assyria for the Assyrians.

This whole idea of diversity and everyone coming together is what destroyed our glorious empire.

The guy in this video pretty much get's it. Go to 1:27 :)
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« Reply #69 on: April 05, 2016, 11:30:38 PM »
You said we should let Ezidis in because they are not Muslim, i'm saying the religion is irrelevant because Ezidis are still their own group of people. Whether they are Kurdish or not, why should we have them in our country in the first place? They can freely live in Kurdistan or form their own country if they want. Assyria for the Assyrians.

This whole idea of diversity and everyone coming together is what destroyed our glorious empire.

The guy in this video pretty much get's it. Go to 1:27 :)
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You are sounding like those whites in Europe who don't want to accept Assyrian refugees into their countries.

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« Reply #70 on: April 05, 2016, 11:40:58 PM »
You are sounding like those whites in Europe who don't want to accept Assyrian refugees into their countries.
and?

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« Reply #71 on: April 06, 2016, 12:42:22 AM »
and?

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It's hypocritical to say that.

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« Reply #72 on: April 06, 2016, 12:59:14 AM »
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It's hypocritical to say that.
What's hypocritical? You are assuming I support Assyrian refugees going into Europe, which I do not. This not only damages the demographics of Europeans, but it also damages ours. Europeans have every right to oppose immigration, no matter who it is. The more Assyrians going into Europe, the less concentration we will have in our homelands. They can easily go to another location and wait to go back when it's right, but because countries like Germany and Sweden are giving free sh*t, they will obviously go there. Which I don't blame them, everyone wants the easy way out right?, but these are the consequences of it, unfortunately. For example most of my relatives have gone to Germany and guess what? My entire village is empty now and I have nothing to go back to.
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« Reply #73 on: April 06, 2016, 01:02:21 AM »
You said we should let Ezidis in because they are not Muslim, i'm saying the religion is irrelevant because Ezidis are still their own group of people. Whether they are Kurdish or not, why should we have them in our country in the first place? They can freely live in Kurdistan or form their own country if they want. Assyria for the Assyrians.

This whole idea of diversity and everyone coming together is what destroyed our glorious empire.

The guy in this video pretty much get's it. Go to 1:27 :)
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The man from that video is wrong about Assyrians. Babylonians were like modern day America -they were very diverse there. Assyrians were quite racist...only Aramaean immigrants, among certain other people of long standing Anatolian and Caucasian colonies, were treated as equals because they had the same culture.

The Akkadian Assyrians famously got along with the Aramean immigrants (naturalised Assyrians) who had a very similar culture. They already worshipped Assyrian Gods (including Ashur) and loved serving in the Assyrian military which was a major catalyst in the rapid expansions of the Neo-Assyrian Empire. Their contribution to the military quickly made Aramaean a lingu franca of the Assyrian army (and eventually the homeland as these soldiers settled in their new homes). Assyrians lost their Empire due to having a coalition of numerous enemies that attacked them whilst there were a series of internal rebellions. These rebellions included the Babylonian rebellion to the south as well as a few different Assyrian generals fighting each other in the North. Assyria fragmented when it was fighting nearly everyone of it's neighbors (except vassals and tributary states).
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« Reply #74 on: April 06, 2016, 01:06:16 AM »
The man from that video is wrong about Assyrians. Babylonians were like modern day America -they were very diverse there. Assyrians were quite racist...only Aramaean immigrants, among certain other people of long standing Anatolian and Caucasian colonies, were treated as equals because they had the same culture.

The Akkadian Assyrians famously got along with the Aramean immigrants (naturalised Assyrians) who had a very similar culture. They already worshipped Assyrian Gods (including Ashur) and loved serving in the Assyrian military which was a major catalyst in the rapid expansions of the Neo-Assyrian Empire. Their contribution to the military quickly made Aramaean a lingu franca of the Assyrian army (and eventually the homeland as these soldiers settled in their new homes). Assyrians lost their Empire due to having a coalition of numerous enemies that attacked them whilst there were a series of internal rebellions. These rebellions included the Babylonian rebellion to the south as well as a few different Assyrian generals fighting each other in the North. Assyria fragmented when it was fighting nearly everyone of it's neighbors (except vassals and tributary states).

This is because we influenced them with the fear of violence.

http://therightstuff.biz/2016/01/27/meet-the-new-semites-same-as-the-old-semites/

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« Reply #75 on: April 06, 2016, 01:18:01 AM »
What's hypocritical? You are assuming I support Assyrian refugees going into Europe, which I do not. This not only damages the demographics of Europeans, but it also damages ours. Europeans have every right to oppose immigration, no matter who it is. The more Assyrians going into Europe, the less concentration we will have in our homelands. They can easily go to another location and wait to go back when it's right, but because countries like Germany and Sweden are giving free sh*t, they will obviously go there. Which I don't blame them, everyone wants the easy way out right?, but these are the consequences of it, unfortunately. For example most of my relatives have gone to Germany and guess what? My entire village is empty now and I have nothing to go back to.
I understand your point, but aren't we more safer and prosperous outside the Middle East? Our quality of life has always been higher in a western country. Speaking of which, most of the highly educated, prestigious, Assyrians dwell in a western country.
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« Reply #76 on: April 06, 2016, 01:22:30 AM »
I understand your point, but aren't we more safer and prosperous outside the Middle East? Our quality of life has always been higher in a western country. Speaking of which, most of the highly educated, prestigious, Assyrians dwell in a western country.
That is true. Of course our quality of life will improve in western countries, but from a nationalist standpoint, it damages our cause. Especially since our goal is to obtain a homeland for our own.

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« Reply #77 on: April 06, 2016, 01:42:49 AM »
This is because we influenced them with the fear of violence.

http://therightstuff.biz/2016/01/27/meet-the-new-semites-same-as-the-old-semites/


Not far into the article and it's made a very misleading claim. The second paragraph correctly says:

"Conquered people generally didn't enjoy being lorded over by foreign regimes who worshiped bizarre gods, spoke a strange language, and held divergent beliefs on morality and culture. Because of this inborn hostility to alien cultures, a prominent trait in the Middle East that has managed to persist even to this day, most tribes and lands would naturally rebel if given the chance."

However, it makes a very misleading claim as it continues into the topic sentence of the third paragraph:

"So what was the Neo-Assyrian Empire's response? The simple solution was to pacify and disarm subjects via mass immigration."

Assyians did used mass immigration, but not in the sense that the reader might be thinking.

Assyrians constantly deported people...but not necessarily into the "Yolk of Ashur" (Assyrian homeland). The deportation tactics were mostly implemented so that the various outskirts of the Assyrian Empire would consist of such a diverse mix of people that neither one of them could form a large enough presence to lead a rebellion against Assyria. Those who were sent to Assyria were carefully selected and forcibly assimilated. Most such people would have naturalised fairly quickly. Slaves would have mostly been placed in individual households and thus would have been largely incapable of forming enclaves.

For example, when Assyria conquered Elam, they virtually annihilated the Elamites except for the musicians they took back to the homeland and placed in various (mostly aristocratic) households as slaves/servants. They undoubtedly naturalised quickly and never formed an Elamite enclave within Assyria. This was practically the case for all other cultures who were different to the Assyrians. They either weren't imported or we never hear of them again for the ones that were.

Furthermore, anyone who genuinely became Assyrianised as a result of these policies would have blended into the Assyrian society. There are barely any internal sectarian issues driven by race/ethnicity in the heart of the Assyrian Empires. The blunt of racial/ethnic alienation and hostility between Assyrians and others was met outside the Assyrian homeland.
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« Reply #78 on: April 06, 2016, 01:48:43 AM »
Not far into the article and it's made a very misleading claim. The second paragraph correctly says:

"Conquered people generally didn't enjoy being lorded over by foreign regimes who worshiped bizarre gods, spoke a strange language, and held divergent beliefs on morality and culture. Because of this inborn hostility to alien cultures, a prominent trait in the Middle East that has managed to persist even to this day, most tribes and lands would naturally rebel if given the chance."

However, it makes a very misleading claim as it continues into the topic sentence of the third paragraph:

"So what was the Neo-Assyrian Empire's response? The simple solution was to pacify and disarm subjects via mass immigration."

Assyians did used mass immigration, but not in the sense that the reader might be thinking.

Assyrians constantly deported people...but not necessarily into the "Yolk of Ashur" (Assyrian homeland). The deportation tactics were mostly implemented so that the various outskirts of the Assyrian Empire would consist of such a diverse mix of people that neither one of them could form a large enough presence to lead a rebellion against Assyria. Those who were sent to Assyria were carefully selected and forcibly assimilated. Most such people would have naturalised fairly quickly. Slaves would have mostly been placed in individual households and thus would have been largely incapable of forming enclaves.

For example, when Assyria conquered Elam, they virtually annihilated the Elamites except for the musicians they took back to the homeland and placed in various (mostly aristocratic) households as slaves/servants. They undoubtedly naturalised quickly and never formed an Elamite enclave within Assyria. This was practically the case for all other cultures who were different to the Assyrians. They either weren't imported or we never hear of them again for the ones that were.

Furthermore, anyone who genuinely became Assyrianised as a result of these policies would have blended into the Assyrian society. There are barely any internal sectarian issues driven by race/ethnicity in the heart of the Assyrian Empires. The blunt of racial/ethnic alienation and hostility between Assyrians and others was met outside the Assyrian homeland.
Fair enough. I am not a history expert so I will have to take your word for it, though his point still stands. One of the main reasons the Middle East is in this huge mess is because we are a giant ethnic/religious clusterf*ck. We are no longer in those days where we have the power (as Assyrians) to influence entire groups of people and dramatically shift the region into our hands. Whether it was Assyria, Babylon or Rome. It is a good example for how things might come about, as history does repeat itself (for the most part).

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« Reply #79 on: April 06, 2016, 02:20:15 AM »
Fair enough. I am not a history expert so I will have to take your word for it, though his point still stands. One of the main reasons the Middle East is in this huge mess is because we are a giant ethnic/religious clusterf*ck. We are no longer in those days where we have the power (as Assyrians) to influence entire groups of people and dramatically shift the region into our hands. Whether it was Assyria, Babylon or Rome. It is a good example for how things might come about, as history does repeat itself (for the most part).

Although I believe this is true, I can't say for sure if this mess isn't 99% Islam. If Islam wasn't around, the history of the Middle East would have probably been completely different. It might be like Europe or even better. It's too long of a time span to make that judgement. I would say Non-Muslim Middle Easterners get along quite well. Muzzies kill Muzzies (and everyone else) for any reason they can find.
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« Reply #80 on: April 06, 2016, 02:24:40 AM »
Although I believe this is true, I can't say for sure if this mess isn't 99% Islam. If Islam wasn't around, the history of the Middle East would have probably been completely different. It might be like Europe or even better. It's too long of a time span to make that judgement. I would say Non-Muslim Middle Easterners get along quite well. Muzzies kill Muzzies (and everyone else) for any reason they can find.
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« Reply #81 on: August 11, 2016, 03:18:12 AM »
That is true. Of course our quality of life will improve in western countries, but from a nationalist standpoint, it damages our cause. Especially since our goal is to obtain a homeland for our own.
I've said it before here numerous of times, if our homeland was much more northernmost, such as around the Caucasus and the Black Sea, then I would've been a major supporter for an independent Assyrian nation. We would be much safer in that region for starters, since we would be far from enemies. The region in Northern Iraq is considerably dangerous and insidious, as we're on the doorstep of ISIS.

I guess you can call it dumb luck that our homeland is situated in the heart of terror.
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« Reply #82 on: September 27, 2016, 06:19:34 AM »
I've said it before here numerous of times, if our homeland was much more northernmost, such as around the Caucasus and the Black Sea, then I would've been a major supporter for an independent Assyrian nation. We would be much safer in that region for starters, since we would be far from enemies. The region in Northern Iraq is considerably dangerous and insidious, as we're on the doorstep of ISIS.

I guess you can call it dumb luck that our homeland is situated in the heart of terror.
Iraq is dangerous for us because we don't have our own borders. If we had one, those rats wouldn't of dared to come to our lands. They knew we didn't have security, they knew it would be (sort of) a walk in the park for them. People say most of ISIS are foreigners, I say at least half of them are Sunni Iraqis that have always had a deep hatred for us and to wipe us out. Only now Zowaa has developed the NPU and I ponder why they didn't do the NPU a long time ago?  :hmmm:

But I agree, we're not so lucky with the region.

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« Reply #83 on: September 27, 2016, 07:46:43 AM »
Iraq is dangerous for us because we don't have our own borders. If we had one, those rats wouldn't of dared to come to our lands. They knew we didn't have security, they knew it would be (sort of) a walk in the park for them. People say most of ISIS are foreigners, I say at least half of them are Sunni Iraqis that have always had a deep hatred for us and to wipe us out. Only now Zowaa has developed the NPU and I ponder why they didn't do the NPU a long time ago?  :hmmm:

But I agree, we're not so lucky with the region.
Yes, many of them are definitely Iraqis. I heard a couple of ISIS fighters speak and they usually sound Iraqi, or at least from the Gulf states.
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« Reply #84 on: October 20, 2016, 04:12:26 PM »
That's kind of a bad idea. Having racial segregation laws would cause more problems than having assimilation laws.

What we should do is entice foreigners to become citizens.

Also, we need to give Assyria a different name or else it'll too confusing for us.

Why not name it to Country of Mesopotamia? or Country of Ashur?

We can call ethnic Assyrians as ashuraye and non-Assyrians as ashurnaye

We should call ourselves suroye/suraye and this is the name we ALWAYS called ourselves from the beginning, never othoroyo/athuraya, only suroyo/suraya. We also know that suroyo/suraya means assyrian.

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« Reply #85 on: October 21, 2016, 12:57:19 AM »
We should call ourselves suroye/suraye and this is the name we ALWAYS called ourselves from the beginning, never othoroyo/athuraya, only suroyo/suraya. We also know that suroyo/suraya means assyrian.
why not go both ways and use "shuraye"?

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« Reply #86 on: October 24, 2016, 02:17:46 PM »
We should call ourselves suroye/suraye and this is the name we ALWAYS called ourselves from the beginning, never othoroyo/athuraya, only suroyo/suraya. We also know that suroyo/suraya means assyrian.

Actually, they are all very old terms that come from variants that were used in ancient Assyria. They all mean the exact same thing.

The word "Ashur" developed two different versions: "Asur" and "Athur". Due to an ancient linguistic shift, the short "A's" at the beginning's of words were dropped in many Assyrian Aramaic words. Before this shift, the Ashur and Athur variants had evolved to have a long "a" sound at the beginning (as we pronounce it today) ie "aashur" and "aathur" ...therefore, the "A" was never dropped. The variant "Asur" never developed the long "A" sound and therefore it was dropped altogether, forming the root "Sur".


Suraye/Suroyoye, Ashuraye/Ashuroye, Othuroye/Athuraye etc all refer to the exact same people.

Words like "Presbitraye" "Chaldaye" etc refer to religious groups only; the modern usage of "Chaldaye" is strictly used to describe Catholic East Assyrians. Words like Nochiaye, Julwaye etc refer to artificial provincial (millet) groups only.

"Nisttoraaya"  is a totally useless term - it is a religious term that has historically never been applied correctly and still serves no purpose today. "Nisttoraaya" was used to refer to Assyrians from the Church of the East (especially the ones who refused to convert to Catholicism) in order to portray them as followers of Nestorius, which was not the case at all.
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« Reply #87 on: April 17, 2017, 11:17:48 PM »
We should call ourselves suroye/suraye and this is the name we ALWAYS called ourselves from the beginning, never othoroyo/athuraya, only suroyo/suraya. We also know that suroyo/suraya means assyrian.
They all mean the same thing. They're just spelled differently thanks to the dialects.
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