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Assyrian women has stopped breeding
« on: August 26, 2011, 05:46:33 AM »
How many Assyrian women do you know that have 6 kids or more?

And I am not talking about your parents and their generation but your generation?

Why Muslim women are breeding like rabbits...


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Mother of 18 is pregnant with another child

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Re: Assyrian women has stopped breeding
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2011, 10:23:15 AM »
A lot of Assyrians dont have any children. I feel so sorry for our nation.

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Re: Assyrian women has stopped breeding
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2011, 11:20:01 AM »
LOL@breeding like rabbits.

Great topic and one I have talked about extensively in the past.

I don't think it is a problem with Assyrians in general, but Assyrians in the west. If our Assyrians back home continue to have at least 4 children each, we will be fine. Anything less and we are doomed.

Please read my article from about 5 years ago, about the need to have more babies and how Assyrian organizations should give financial incentives for Assyrians back home to have more babies: http://www.assyrianvoice.net/emagazine/population.htm


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Re: Assyrian women has stopped breeding
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2011, 03:09:00 PM »
*waits for baby machine accusations*

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Re: Assyrian women has stopped breeding
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2011, 04:38:56 PM »
It is funny, just posed this story: http://www.assyrianvoice.net/forum/index.php?topic=41384

Looks like we are not alone in this. It is just getting harder to have babies these days lol.


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Re: Assyrian women has stopped breeding
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2011, 06:22:05 PM »
It is funny, just posed this story: http://www.assyrianvoice.net/forum/index.php?topic=41384

Looks like we are not alone in this. It is just getting harder to have babies these days lol.


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according to most patterns i see, countries with bad or medium income have alot more population growth, countries like the united states, as with the use of prophylactics and "the Pill" and abortion, population either goes down or purposely stagnate.

but don't forget to look at fertility rates

in the U.S. the fertility rate is 2-3 kids, the rate in Iraq is 5-6 kids, Syria is 3-4 kids.

Also the Birth rate for U.S. is 13 or 14 births per 1,000 people, Iraq has 30+ births per 1,000 people, same with Syria.

It all comes down to where you live and Social influence and how strong the influence.
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Re: Assyrian women has stopped breeding
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2011, 07:23:41 AM »
LOL@breeding like rabbits.

Great topic and one I have talked about extensively in the past.

I don't think it is a problem with Assyrians in general, but Assyrians in the west. If our Assyrians back home continue to have at least 4 children each, we will be fine. Anything less and we are doomed.

Please read my article from about 5 years ago, about the need to have more babies and how Assyrian organizations should give financial incentives for Assyrians back home to have more babies: http://www.assyrianvoice.net/emagazine/population.htm


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Well Ashur, your article is interesting too. However I think that idea or concept is not working! ie: “have more kids for our nation or Umta”, Because simply most of our women are Not that nationalistic.

We should take this subject out of the political concept of “Breed or Parish” because it is not working. And our couples don’t care about umta.

Our women are not as nationalistic as the Jewish women of the Cabots, who never stop breeding until their body clock dose.

But lets think about it in a “Human nature” concept, a woman on TV said something that is what I am trying to say which was “Children are the most precious things in our life”. End of quote

So I ask why you wouldn’t have more of them while you can?

I remember recently a family that had one boy and that boy was recently killed in an accident. So what now for that “family”? They are going to live their life with out any kids? The world out there is a risky environment for having just one kid! You have to get you some spares! Get 4 or 6 don’t do it for Umta just to it for your own sake. After all “Children are the most precious things in our life”.
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Re: Assyrian women has stopped breeding
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2011, 07:29:28 AM »

Well Ashur, your article is interesting too. However I think that idea or concept is not working! ie: “have more kids for our nation or Umta”, Because simply most of our women are Not that nationalistic.

We should take this subject out of the political concept of “Breed or Parish” because it is not working. And our couples don’t care about umta.

Our women are not as nationalistic as the Jewish women of the Cabots, who never stop breeding until their body clock dose.

But lets think about it in a “Human nature” concept, a woman on TV said something that is what I am trying to say which was “Children are the most precious things in our life”. End of quote

So I ask why you wouldn’t have more of them while you can?

I remember recently a family that had one boy and that boy was recently killed in an accident. So what now for that “family”? They are going to live their life with out any kids? The world out there is a risky environment for having just one kid! You have to get you some spares! Get 4 or 6 don’t do it for Umta just to it for your own sake. After all “Children are the most precious things in our life”.

thats the question, I think i remember someone who answered, but why aren't many assyrians nationalistic? is it because parents arent nationalistic? or is because parents forced nationalism so they disapprove of it? I know someone answered it here before.

edit///// oh yea Jacob answered it but I forgot his answer.
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Re: Assyrian women has stopped breeding
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2011, 08:09:01 AM »
Spare kids?  Yes this is more convincing :dry:  No one has more than one kid with the intention of having those "extra" kids as spares to the first one. 

Do any of you have kids of your own? If so, how many?   I don't think the people crying about people not having enough kids realize how difficult it is to raise kids. 

Good luck convincing your wives to have 6 kids, especially if your living in the west, married to an educated women, and aren't living with extended family. 


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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2011, 01:53:45 PM »
Spare kids?  Yes this is more convincing :dry:  No one has more than one kid with the intention of having those "extra" kids as spares to the first one. 

Do any of you have kids of your own? If so, how many?   I don't think the people crying about people not having enough kids realize how difficult it is to raise kids. 

Good luck convincing your wives to have 6 kids, especially if your living in the west, married to an educated women, and aren't living with extended family. 


my nana gave birth to 10 kids and fed them all and raised them all.

but yea it is hard to raise kids, especially making sure they're well fed, and morally good, if not nationalistic.
A good number of kids, *if your worried about your sanity* is at least 3-4
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Re: Assyrian women has stopped breeding
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2011, 06:18:02 AM »
my nana gave birth to 10 kids and fed them all and raised them all.

but yea it is hard to raise kids, especially making sure they're well fed, and morally good, if not nationalistic.
A good number of kids, *if your worried about your sanity* is at least 3-4

Ya most of our grandmas had a lot of kids, but they didn't live in the west, they usually did not have an education, and for the most part lived they lived with extended family.

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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2011, 07:45:45 AM »
Every Assyrian family in the west should have at least 3 kids. 4 would be great. 2 means our destruction.
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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2011, 04:43:22 PM »
Id rather have 2 healthy kids, raise them good,make sure I provide them with everything than having 10 kids and not provide them with thier needs.... I cant see my kid being hungry and I dont have money to feed them. Plus when I have kids id quit work and just be with them and raise them till they are in school so I cant make my husband work day and night. We have to think about it this way and not say oh muslim people are more.. They live on streets :)
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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2011, 06:08:03 AM »
I've never understood the whole "Us vs. Them" mentality.  I don't live my life trying to compete with other nationalities and I'm not going to have a certain number of kids because I/Assyrians need to compete with others.  I can't live my life thinking that everyone is out to get me because I'm Assyrian.  That mentality doesn't make for a very enjoyable life.   

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« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2011, 08:49:46 AM »
That mentality doesn't make for a very enjoyable life.   
since when is life enjoyable in the first place?

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« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2011, 11:43:40 PM »
Well said ,litleesoda :)
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« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2011, 06:11:28 AM »
since when is life enjoyable in the first place?

Then maybe you should look into making some changes :)

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« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2011, 06:33:06 AM »
Then maybe you should look into making some changes :)
i'll do that when im 35+ and still not married...

plus, idk what u mean by changes.

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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2011, 07:51:17 AM »
So you're going to waste your life from now until 35+?  Why are you waiting until then to make things enjoyable?

Changes can be anything to make your life enjoyable. 

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« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2011, 08:52:14 AM »
So you're going to waste your life from now until 35+?  Why are you waiting until then to make things enjoyable?

Changes can be anything to make your life enjoyable. 
there is no enjoyable....

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« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2011, 07:07:19 AM »
Your doing it wrong then.  Anyways back to topic

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« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2011, 06:16:14 PM »
That’s unfair to blame an Assyrian women for something that society has changed over time.
Let’s face it this no one is having kids like they use to, our parents generation were in different economic conditions, back then one person would work and they would feed 10 people. Now two people have to work just to survive if you want a good quality life for your children you need to be earning above average wage. I’m not talking about a bugaboo pram or an ipad 2 for your kids I’m talking about education, healthcare and housing.
I would love to have 10 kids but i don’t want to compromise their quality of life.
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« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2011, 07:20:36 PM »
That’s unfair to blame an Assyrian women for something that society has changed over time.
Let’s face it this no one is having kids like they use to, our parents generation were in different economic conditions, back then one person would work and they would feed 10 people. Now two people have to work just to survive if you want a good quality life for your children you need to be earning above average wage. I’m not talking about a bugaboo pram or an ipad 2 for your kids I’m talking about education, healthcare and housing.
I would love to have 10 kids but i don’t want to compromise their quality of life.


we can have 10 kids, we just need to stop buying them useless crap and wisely spend our money. Have enough to pay the necessary bills like the house, water, heat etc. and never go into debt even if u think you can pay it off.

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« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2011, 10:25:22 PM »
we can have 10 kids, we just need to stop buying them useless crap and wisely spend our money. Have enough to pay the necessary bills like the house, water, heat etc. and never go into debt even if u think you can pay it off.

you didnt read my post, im not sure what country you live in, but here in australia heat, water, gas, electricity, education, food is expensive having 10 mouths to feed is not easy.
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« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2011, 06:58:23 PM »
you didnt read my post, im not sure what country you live in, but here in australia heat, water, gas, electricity, education, food is expensive having 10 mouths to feed is not easy.
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« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2011, 10:39:33 AM »
Spare kids?  Yes this is more convincing :dry:  No one has more than one kid with the intention of having those "extra" kids as spares to the first one.  

Do any of you have kids of your own? If so, how many?   I don't think the people crying about people not having enough kids realize how difficult it is to raise kids.  

Good luck convincing your wives to have 6 kids, especially if your living in the west, married to an educated women, and aren't living with extended family.  



But you didn’t give a solution to this problem? You are not going to have kids because you are not nationalistic, you are not going to have kids because you may lose your only child at any time, especially in the west. So what next? That was the topic?

While chatting to a Kurdish guy face to face he told me, look you people only have two kids and educate them and…bla bla But we on the other hands have 10 kids, he said his father married four wives, So now we are living in “our” homeland “Kurd…n” While you have no homeland living in the west facing extension.

Was he right or not?   
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« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2011, 10:57:38 AM »
Id rather have 2 healthy kids, raise them good,make sure I provide them with everything than having 10 kids and not provide them with thier needs.... I cant see my kid being hungry and I dont have money to feed them. Plus when I have kids id quit work and just be with them and raise them till they are in school so I cant make my husband work day and night. We have to think about it this way and not say oh muslim people are more.. They live on streets :)


What if you marry a rich guy, or a well to do guy and live in a mansion? will the number go to 4?

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« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2011, 05:42:37 PM »
Every Assyrian family in the west should have at least 3 kids. 4 would be great. 2 means our destruction.
lol 
BEAUTIFUL HANUNI! .. best solution!

but i would just like to make some smaaall "changes" -->  every assyrian family!  (not just in the west!) every and each family!

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« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2011, 05:57:57 PM »
like Moneer asked--> if the girl was married to a rich guy would she get 4 kids?
-->if it was ME who was married to a rich guy, i would  get 100 kids (all boys) and raise them, to "support" our assyrian nation "that is left!"
(my husband is not gonna do ANYTHING with a 100 million in his /qora!/ grave)


(call me old)-->i dont have that "nowdays" brain of --> "go out!, have fun!, and leave everyyyything behiiiiind!"
i dont want us (assyrians) to extinct. and i dont think of any joy in life, without other assyrians! (around me, supporting me).
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« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2011, 06:11:56 AM »
But you didn’t give a solution to this problem? You are not going to have kids because you are not nationalistic, you are not going to have kids because you may lose your only child at any time, especially in the west. So what next? That was the topic?

While chatting to a Kurdish guy face to face he told me, look you people only have two kids and educate them and…bla bla But we on the other hands have 10 kids, he said his father married four wives, So now we are living in “our” homeland “Kurd…n” While you have no homeland living in the west facing extension.

Was he right or not?   


I did not say I am not nationalistic.  Just because someone does not want to have 10 kids as a way to compete with muslims, does not mean they are not nationalistic.  I'm not about to have kids left and right because it will help increase our numbers.  If I can't be a good parent and give them all the attention they want and need, then what kind of life can I give them?  Why would I want them to live as some muslims do? I don't want to have kids running around, without discipline, unkempt, obnoxious, etc because I want to keep up with the muslims next door.  Besides, it comes down to quality vs. quantity.  I rather raise a couple of nasheh, instead of ten haywaneh.  I think this is more beneficial to our people, then just raising our numbers. 

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« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2011, 09:06:31 AM »

I did not say I am not nationalistic.  Just because someone does not want to have 10 kids as a way to compete with muslims, does not mean they are not nationalistic.  I'm not about to have kids left and right because it will help increase our numbers.  If I can't be a good parent and give them all the attention they want and need, then what kind of life can I give them?  Why would I want them to live as some muslims do? I don't want to have kids running around, without discipline, unkempt, obnoxious, etc because I want to keep up with the muslims next door.  Besides, it comes down to quality vs. quantity.  I rather raise a couple of nasheh, instead of ten haywaneh.  I think this is more beneficial to our people, then just raising our numbers. 

I don’t know were the number 10 came from? If you read my first post when I opened this subject with “who do you know have 6 kids” So to me even 6 were a big number!

I don’t want you to compete with Muslims or kurds, that was Ashoor’s concept in his article, not mine. I looked at it from a humanistic concept, “I like kids so I am going to have 4 or 6” I don’t want to have 1 or 2 that’s too risky for me.

Of course I too don’t want to have 4 or 6 kids and all graduate from jails. But there are people who can do it but they still don’t? I know very rich families with only two kids?

I understand your logic, but not every family that has 2 kids both graduate from universities? Otherwise with this logic we would have been the highest intellectuals on earth, but you know we are not? So what’s the point of having 2 kids, I personally like the number 4.     

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« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2011, 09:10:03 AM »
like Moneer asked--> if the girl was married to a rich guy would she get 4 kids?
-->if it was ME who was married to a rich guy, i would  get 100 kids (all boys) and raise them, to "support" our assyrian nation "that is left!"
(my husband is not gonna do ANYTHING with a 100 million in his /qora!/ grave)


(call me old)-->i dont have that "nowdays" brain of --> "go out!, have fun!, and leave everyyyything behiiiiind!"
i dont want us (assyrians) to extinct. and i dont think of any joy in life, without other assyrians! (around me, supporting me).

I like your thinking!

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« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2011, 10:26:51 AM »
we can get the pressure off the women and take up eugenic cloning
maybe add nightvision as red eyes and bullet proof muscles to our genetics  :shades:

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« Reply #34 on: December 22, 2011, 10:52:04 PM »
I just saw this thread so forgive me for replying so late. For those of you who said they wanted so many children and so on, first off GOOD LUCK! Lol and second, you guys are obviously not married and still young ones. I'm 29 y/o married with 3 girls under the age of 6 and also cared for my father in law til he passed recently dec 1st and let  me tell u it is not easy!! Whether ur married to a guy who's rich or not wouldn't make any difference on getting easier. I am proud to say that I have done everything for my kids myself, 24/7 all the duties that come with being a mother. Dont get me wrong, i have family here but I try not to depend on anyone or make them feel like they have to watch my kids. I use my "babysitters" wisely and try to use them for only weddings that are mandatory. I see many moms who throw their kids to their parents or in laws and for me I don't think I can ever do that, I'd feel bad bc they had their time to raise their own kids.
I agree with the person who said they'd have enough kids to be able to care for them and provide for them even if it was just one or two.

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