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Title: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Neta1991 on June 19, 2017, 01:55:02 PM
Many Kurds consider themselves descended from the Medes, an ancient Iranian people,[44] and even use a calendar dating from 612 B.C., when the Assyrian capital of Nineveh was conquered by the Medes.[45] The claimed Median descent is reflected in the words of the Kurdish national anthem: "We are the children of the Medes and Kai Khosrow.

Those retards. Why cant they just be proud of their empire of saladin? do they really need to claim history of others? They even have a calendar when they destroyed our capital of nineveh, thats just an insult to us. Why are we not doing anything and letting them believe that they are the descendants of the medes? Why cant they understand that they are a mixed people and their history really begins at the time of saladin or maybe a little bit earlier?
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on June 19, 2017, 02:13:54 PM
The ARYAN Medes are our direct ancestors because Kurdistan is in the same location as the state of the Medes. We have the same ancient Iranic (ARYAN) culture. The Medes had ancient Aryan/Iranid religions (like Mithraism) compared to the Ezdi religion. And we speak Aryan (NorthWest Iranian language) the same as the Medes. The Medes spoke also the Aryan (NorthWest Iranian language).

Kurds speak the same language as the Medes.

a) same location
b) same culture (Aryan / West Iranid)
c) same religious roots (Yezidism, Mithraism, Zoroastrianism etc.)
d) same language


If Kurds are not Medes, than Italians have nothing to do with the Romans and Germans nothing to do with Germanic tribes etc.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Neta1991 on June 19, 2017, 03:11:03 PM
The ARYAN Medes are our direct ancestors because Kurdistan is in the same location as the state of the Medes. We have the same ancient Iranic (ARYAN) culture. The Medes had ancient Aryan/Iranid religions (like Mithraism) compared to the Ezdi religion. And we speak Aryan (NorthWest Iranian language) the same as the Medes. The Medes spoke also the Aryan (NorthWest Iranian language).

Kurds speak the same language as the Medes.

a) same location
b) same culture (Aryan / West Iranid)
c) same religious roots (Yezidism, Mithraism, Zoroastrianism etc.)
d) same language


If Kurds are not Medes, than Italians have nothing to do with the Romans and Germans nothing to do with Germanic tribes etc.

"Though some Kurdish intellectuals claim that their people are descended from the Medes, there is no evidence to permit such a connection across the considerable gap in time between the political dominance of the Medes and the first attestation of the Kurds" - van Bruinessen
The Kurdish people are believed to be of heterogeneous origins[16][17] combining a number of earlier tribal or ethnic groups[18] including Lullubi,[19] Guti,[19] Cyrtians,[20] Carduchi.
Median descent of the Kurds has found favour as a historical narrative among Kurds in the 20th century, so that identification of Kurds as Medes is now common in Kurdish nationalist sentiment, though some experts believe it is incorrect.

The hypothesis is not without its detractors, among them Martin van Bruinessen (2004).[48] Asatrian (2009) stated that "The Central Iranian dialects, and primarily those of the Kashan area in the first place, as well as the Azari dialects (otherwise called Southern Tati) are probably the only Iranian dialects, which can pretend to be the direct offshoots of Median ... In general, the relationship between Kurdish and Median are not closer than the affinities between the latter and other North Western dialects — Baluchi, Talishi, South Caspian, Zaza, Gurani, etc."[49]

Why cant you be proud of your saladin empire who was a kurd? Why do you need to say that medes was your descendants? Why do you put much energy for proving you are their descendants? Foraslong as you dont have enough proof noone will believe you, l dont hate kurds, l just dont like them claiming history that arent theirs......

You really dont have enough proof do make this believe, u could had some median blood in you but you arent the direct descendants of them as l have proven up there.....
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on June 19, 2017, 03:20:33 PM
the connection is "possible" but there's no evidence or a clear transition of how Medes turned into Kurds. Meanwhile, there's already a clear transition on how ancient middle eastern people became modern Assyrians.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Neta1991 on June 19, 2017, 06:01:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCvod_NgYic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCvod_NgYic)

this ****ty kurd claim that they are the direct descendants of the medes and doesnt mention that they dont have enough proof, that only show how unintelligent they really are, where is the proof retard kurdish women! And she says the three wise men were kurds, ****! and also the kurds mention many times in ancient texts, thats not even true! And what l hate the most is that the video gots lots of likes and they all think what she says is true! Omg, l hate her show much now!
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on June 19, 2017, 06:30:50 PM
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCvod_NgYic[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCvod_NgYic[/url])

this ****ty kurd claim that they are the direct descendants of the medes and doesnt mention that they dont have enough proof, that only show how unintelligent they really are, where is the proof retard kurdish women! And she says the three wise men were kurds, ****! and also the kurds mention many times in ancient texts, thats not even true! And what l hate the most is that the video gots lots of likes and they all think what she says is true! Omg, l hate her show much now!


claims are claims, no sources or evidence means you can dismiss them. The 3 wise men had no names given either.

Also, she blatantly lies that Europeans didn't allow Kurds to have a country which is BS. Europeans had the Treaty of Sevres which was to guarantee an independent Kurdish state but the Treaty of Sevres was negated when the Turks won the Turkish war of independence. Turks created the treaty of Lausanne which defined modern Turkish borders and removed any notion of the idea of Kurdistan.

Kurds think Arabs or Assyrians or Europeans have ruined any chance of Kurdistan when it was Turkey who has been stopping them since before WW1.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on June 19, 2017, 07:26:53 PM
The ARYAN Medes are our direct ancestors because Kurdistan is in the same location as the state of the Medes. We have the same ancient Iranic (ARYAN) culture. The Medes had ancient Aryan/Iranid religions (like Mithraism) compared to the Ezdi religion. And we speak Aryan (NorthWest Iranian language) the same as the Medes. The Medes spoke also the Aryan (NorthWest Iranian language).

Kurds speak the same language as the Medes.

a) same location
b) same culture (Aryan / West Iranid)
c) same religious roots (Yezidism, Mithraism, Zoroastrianism etc.)
d) same language


If Kurds are not Medes, than Italians have nothing to do with the Romans and Germans nothing to do with Germanic tribes etc.
Last but not LEAST, it is actually the most important point the DNA.

We have got the DNA of Copper Age and Iron Age Zagros Aryan people.

Of all people in the Middle East, Kurds are the LEAST mixed people. Kurdish DNA is practically unchanged during 5000 years of time.

We have got the DNA of the Copper Age person from Zagros and my personal DNA is almost identical to that DNA.

The only difference is that Copper Age and Iron Age Zagros Aryans are even a little more native to the Iranian Plateau.

So we have Iron Age auDNA from Zagros, from the era of the Medes. And that DNA is almost identical to Kurdish DNA.


So we have got 5 important points that relate Kurds to the Medes:


a) Aryan DNA
b) same language
c) same location
d) same culture (Aryan / West Iranid)
e) same religious roots (Yezidism, Mithraism, Zoroastrianism etc.)
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on June 19, 2017, 07:32:04 PM
Actually if you compare modern DNA of the Middle East to the ancient DNA of the Middle East you will come to the conclusion that Kurds are the PUREST people of the Middle East.


Iron Age was the era of the Medes and Kurdish DNA is identical to the Iron Age Zagros people.


So, we can conclude that Kurdish DNA didn't change much the last 4000 years.


Here is the paper about the ancient Iranians, including the Iron Age Iranian of the era of the Medes.


The Medes = Iron Age Iranians = Aryans


http://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2016/07/13/science.aaf7943.full (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2016/07/13/science.aaf7943.full)




Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on June 19, 2017, 07:40:39 PM
Actually if you compare modern DNA of the Middle East to the ancient DNA of the Middle East you will come to the conclusion that Kurds are the PUREST people of the Middle East.


Iron Age was the era of the Medes and Kurdish DNA is identical to the Iron Age Zagros people.


So, we can conclude that Kurdish DNA didn't change much the last 4000 years.


Here is the paper about the ancient Iranians, including the Iron Age Iranian of the era of the Medes.


The Medes = Iron Age Iranians = Aryans


[url]http://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2016/07/13/science.aaf7943.full[/url] ([url]http://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2016/07/13/science.aaf7943.full[/url])







Article says similarities. Similarities doesn't mean exact :)
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on June 19, 2017, 08:00:32 PM
Article says similarities. Similarities doesn't mean exact :)
It is almost exactly.

as you can see the closest population to Copper Age Zagros Iranians and Iron Age Zagros Iranians are the KURDS. Persians are the second closest. That would make sense, since the Medes and Persians were related to each other.

Persians - SouthWest Iranians
Kurds/Medes - NorthWest Iranians


I'm GOGA in this graph:


(https://s21.postimg.org/6u1h0t9g7/Iranians.png)
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on June 19, 2017, 08:03:36 PM
Iron Age = 1200 BC.

The Medes/Aryans defeated the ancient Assyrians 612 BC.



The Medes/ARYANS are even YOUNGER than those Iron Age Iranians.


Iron Age Iranians are most likely Mitanni & Kassites. Those were the direct ancestors of the Medes. So my DNA is going even deeper in time to the era of Mitanni/Kassites who were ancestors of the Medes.


Mitanni/Kassites -> Medes -> Ezdi Kurds


As you can see my DNA is almost identical to the ancient Aryans who lived in the Zagros Mountains around 1200 BC. The small differences could be same between me and my own blood brother. Nobody is identical.
But the CLOSEST population to the Iron Age Iranians are the Kurds.



1200 + 2000 = 3200 years.


My DNA is practically unchanged after 3200 years of time. It is almost identical. This is a great evidence that Kurds are the 'purest' people in the Middle East ever, period!



Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on June 19, 2017, 08:43:49 PM
Iron Age = 1200 BC.

The Medes/Aryans defeated the ancient Assyrians 612 BC.



The Medes/ARYANS are even YOUNGER than those Iron Age Iranians.


Iron Age Iranians are most likely Mitanni & Kassites. Those were the direct ancestors of the Medes. So my DNA is going even deeper in time to the era of Mitanni/Kassites who were ancestors of the Medes.


Mitanni/Kassites -> Medes -> Ezdi Kurds


As you can see my DNA is almost identical to the ancient Aryans who lived in the Zagros Mountains around 1200 BC. The small differences could be same between me and my own blood brother. Nobody is identical.
But the CLOSEST population to the Iron Age Iranians are the Kurds.



1200 + 2000 = 3200 years.


My DNA is practically unchanged after 3200 years of time. It is almost identical. This is a great evidence that Kurds are the 'purest' people in the Middle East ever, period!





Medes didn't defeat Ancient Assyrians, Babylonians did.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on June 19, 2017, 08:46:05 PM
Kurds are located at the same place as the ancient Aryan Medes. After the linguistic, cultural and religious close ties between the modern Kurds and ancient Aryan Medes the one must be really retarded to deny that the Medes are the DIRECT main ancestors of the Kurds since we have got also GENETIC evidence for it.

The Kurdish flesh and blood is identical to the flesh and blood of the Medes. Our DNA is simply the same. Kurds carry exactly the same GENES as the ancient Aryan Mitanni, Kassites, Medes etc.


Our soul and our body is identical to the Medes. That means that Kurds are actually the living Medes. The Medes are not a dead race. The race of the Medes is alive and is among other races.



And the Medes will reclaim their position very soon at the world stage. We reclaim everything what belongs to us. What belongs to us is our. What is our is our. And nobody can do anything about it!


Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on June 19, 2017, 09:02:00 PM
Medes didn't defeat Ancient Assyrians, Babylonians did.
It were actually the NORTHWest Iranian people like the Medes, together with the East Iranized Steppe people like the Scythians and Cimmerians who defeated the Assyrians.

It is like what we see in Raqqa. The Kurds (Medes) are liberating the city from Daesh with other races. But the main fighting force of SDF that is liberating Raqqa are the Medes/Kurds. Without the Medes/Kurds all other races are useless. They need a leader, a warrior, to show them how to fight.

Without the Medes, the Babylonians would never defeat the Assyrians alone.


Btw, the so called Assyrians were not homogeneous people. And Assyrian kingdom was not that big as some modern maps show us. Many people/villages in Northern Mesopotamia were not Assyrians at all, but were under the political rule/dominance of the Assyrians from the South. Like Georgia, Armenia or Turkic speaking regions in Siberia were under the political rule/dominance during the Russian Empire or the USSR


The reason why modern Kurds have 'more' Steppe ancestry than Copper Age Iranians is because of those East Iranized Steppes people like the Scythians and Cimmerians. After Scythians & Cimmerians migrated into Kurdistan they mixed with the Medes. The Medes assimilated them into their race. That's why there is a difference between me and the Copper Age Iranian (5000 BC. = 7000 years old)
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on June 20, 2017, 01:38:03 AM
It were actually the NORTHWest Iranian people like the Medes, together with the East Iranized Steppe people like the Scythians and Cimmerians who defeated the Assyrians.

It is like what we see in Raqqa. The Kurds (Medes) are liberating the city from Daesh with other races. But the main fighting force of SDF that is liberating Raqqa are the Medes/Kurds. Without the Medes/Kurds all other races are useless. They need a leader, a warrior, to show them how to fight.

Without the Medes, the Babylonians would never defeat the Assyrians alone.


Btw, the so called Assyrians were not homogeneous people. And Assyrian kingdom was not that big as some modern maps show us. Many people/villages in Northern Mesopotamia were not Assyrians at all, but were under the political rule/dominance of the Assyrians from the South. Like Georgia, Armenia or Turkic speaking regions in Siberia were under the political rule/dominance during the Russian Empire or the USSR


The reason why modern Kurds have 'more' Steppe ancestry than Copper Age Iranians is because of those East Iranized Steppes people like the Scythians and Cimmerians. After Scythians & Cimmerians migrated into Kurdistan they mixed with the Medes. The Medes assimilated them into their race. That's why there is a difference between me and the Copper Age Iranian (5000 BC. = 7000 years old)

not really, Medes were still nomadic, Scythians were more nomadic and they were just taking advantage of the lawlessness by raiding.

Actually, Babylonians did defeat ancient Assyria by itself. look up Battle of Harran and Battle of Carchemish. Battle of Carchemish was pretty much the last battle of what army was left of the empire.

Also, where are you getting your false information? None of this crap is in any of my history books. Are you gonna tell me Turks modified American history books?
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Neta1991 on June 20, 2017, 04:21:09 AM
not really, Medes were still nomadic, Scythians were more nomadic and they were just taking advantage of the lawlessness by raiding.

Actually, Babylonians did defeat ancient Assyria by itself. look up Battle of Harran and Battle of Carchemish. Battle of Carchemish was pretty much the last battle of what army was left of the empire.

Also, where are you getting your false information? None of this crap is in any of my history books. Are you gonna tell me Turks modified American history books?

I actually thought that the medes were friends with the babylonians and they together destroyed the assyrian empire..   
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on June 20, 2017, 06:56:22 AM
I actually thought that the medes were friends with the babylonians and they together destroyed the assyrian empire..
There was not such thing as an Assyrian 'Empire'. Just a small community with small villages that were ruled from the south (Akkadia/Assyria). Assyrian 'Empire' is overrated.

And after destruction of Nineveh, the Medes conquered Babylonia found a huge Aryan Empire called Media. Media stretched from Anatolia to Central Asia. It was the first Empire of it's kind. And it was actually the FIRST 'Aryan' empire/civilization...
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Nemrud on June 20, 2017, 10:19:16 AM
There was not such thing as an Assyrian 'Empire'. Just a small community with small villages that were ruled from the south (Akkadia/Assyria). Assyrian 'Empire' is overrated.

And after destruction of Nineveh, the Medes conquered Babylonia found a huge Aryan Empire called Media. Media stretched from Anatolia to Central Asia. It was the first Empire of it's kind. And it was actually the FIRST 'Aryan' empire/civilization...

Where do you get your information? All of your information is weird man
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on June 20, 2017, 11:06:00 AM
Where do you get your information? All of your information is weird man
he or she is making stuff up and intentionally strawmanning and misinterpreting various information to fit his/her agenda. Some how thinking we'll actually believe it when there's no shred of evidence.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on June 20, 2017, 12:54:36 PM
he or she is making stuff up and intentionally strawmanning and misinterpreting various information to fit his/her agenda. Some how thinking we'll actually believe it when there's no shred of evidence.
LMAO, what agenda? It is actually your people with agenda. First your people come up with crazy nonsense about the history of the Kurds.

C'mon do you really believe that Kurdish race was born AFTER Saladin. Like there was no Kurdish race before Saladin. If there were no Kurds before Saladin, where did the great parents of Saladin came from? From the moon? My people were NEVER Muslim and my people are Kurds. My Kurdish ancestors predate Saladin by thousands of years.

Where did our NORTH West Iranian language come from? It is NOT from the Persians, since the Persians speak a different dialect of Aryan. They speak SOUTH West Iranian. And also, Kurdish is much, much more pure than Persian. Kurdish has still the ERGATIVTY in its grammar. Our language is not from the moon. Kurds speak still the language of their Aryan ancestors. And our direct Aryan ancestors were the Medes.GE

We have even the GENETIC evidence for it! No other race on this planet has more proof about their origin than the Kurds do.

And then people like you come with nonsense about Kurds and spreading lies.


You are same as you ancestors. Your ancestors also were tr0lling other races. And now we can see what happened to them.


You guys have big mouth, but how much Turks, Arabs or Persians did you kill for you homeland. You want you homeland, but you do nothing about it. You don't fight at all. You are SCARED of Arabs, Turks and Persians. You think that Kurds are the weakest and therefore you just tr0lling the Kurds.

We Kurds are the Medes, we are actually the strongest link in the Middle East, lol.


If you want some respect, you must earn respect. Show us that you are though guys and start fighting the Turks, Arabs and Persians. Because those Muslims are you true enemies. Pff, at least Kurds are fighting for their own homeland and the homeland of their direct ancestors the Medes.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on June 20, 2017, 01:07:26 PM
Do Kurds demand from Assyrians to proof, come up with evidences and show the world that the Assyrians are connected to the ancient Assyrians? Simply, nobody cares about it. Nobody is obsessed with the Assyrians because your people are not interesting.

Do you have GENETIC evidences that you people are similar to the ancient people you claim to be descendant from?


Not many people/races have such a kind of evidences.

But Kurds DO HAVE those evidneces. We have many proofs that can show that we are directly linked to the Medes.



Somehow people are OBSESSED with the Kurds. Because they know that Kurds are the BEST . They envy us, and are jealous about our ARYAN race. That's why people including YOU are obsessed with us and spreading dirty propaganda about us.


FEAR the Turks, Arabs and Persians. Spread lies and propaganda on them. Fight them, kill them. Maybe then you will get our respect...




Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Nemrud on June 20, 2017, 03:03:18 PM
Do Kurds demand from Assyrians to proof, come up with evidences and show the world that the Assyrians are connected to the ancient Assyrians? Simply, nobody cares about it. Nobody is obsessed with the Assyrians because your people are not interesting.

Do you have GENETIC evidences that you people are similar to the ancient people you claim to be descendant from?


Not many people/races have such a kind of evidences.

But Kurds DO HAVE those evidneces. We have many proofs that can show that we are directly linked to the Medes.



Somehow people are OBSESSED with the Kurds. Because they know that Kurds are the BEST . They envy us, and are jealous about our ARYAN race. That's why people including YOU are obsessed with us and spreading dirty propaganda about us.


FEAR the Turks, Arabs and Persians. Spread lies and propaganda on them. Fight them, kill them. Maybe then you will get our respect...






First of all we have enough proof, second u got almost no proof at all! Do you think you are interesting? The only reason why this thread even got here is because u claim to be the descendants of the people who destroyed the assyrian empire,  and ironicly even got the date our capital got conquered lol, u are pathetic, we.didnt say your history started at the time of saladin but that was almost the time u started to show yourself in the history books.  u are probably a mixed people but to say you are the direct ancestors of the medes is nonsense because u got almost none proof! Before claiming to be the ancestors of someone get some proof first before say to the whole world, that only show how silly you are. Your history sucks that you claim to be someone u are not lol, and the funny thing is that u are convinced hahaha even if you dont have enough proof, that only show that u got no braincells
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on June 20, 2017, 04:16:28 PM
Step number 1. Language.

Where is the Kurdish language from and who spoke that language. Is it from the moon?

Maybe Turks brought it, wait a minute, maybe the Semites taught us our ARYAN language?


FACT

We learned our language from our ARYAN mommies and daddies


Step number 2. DNA 7 location.

What does our DNA look like? And what DNA had the ancient people.


Modern Kurdish DNA/genome is Aryan/West Iranian. It is similar to other West Iranian people.

We have got the ancient DNA of ancient people from the era of the Medes from Zagros Mountains where at the time also was populated by the mighty ARYAN Medes.

When we compare that ancient DNA with modern Kurdish DNA we see that both samples are similar to each other.


Now we have a genetic not only a linguistic match, but also a GENETIC match. The Medes and the Kurds are the very same people.




Talking about mixed people, Assyrians are very mixed people. Assyrians are so mixed that they are confused and don't  know where they are from. Are the Assyrans from the Levant, Arabia or Africa? They simply don't know it.

Assyrians speak a Afro Asiatic language which is from Africa. But their MIXED DNA has some connections with the Levant, Arabia and Mesopotamia.

This is the reason why you people are delusional, confused and have inferiority complex. Because you have no roots, and you are confused about your origin. You don't know who you are and where are you from.

What I know for sure is that you are NOT from Kurdistan, because ancient ARYAN/Kurdish DNA from the past doesn't mach with the Assyrians. ARYAN DNA from the Kurdistan/Zagros Mountains is very different from the Semitic Assyrians DNA.


You are ashamed of your Semitic roots. You don't want to be a Semites. And that's why you hate the Kurds who turned out to be the PUREST Aryans



You hate to be a Semite, because you know that Aryans/Iranians have always been more superior to the Semites. We were, we are and we will always be....




Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on June 20, 2017, 07:48:00 PM
LMAO, what agenda? It is actually your people with agenda. First your people come up with crazy nonsense about the history of the Kurds.

C'mon do you really believe that Kurdish race was born AFTER Saladin. Like there was no Kurdish race before Saladin. If there were no Kurds before Saladin, where did the great parents of Saladin came from? From the moon? My people were NEVER Muslim and my people are Kurds. My Kurdish ancestors predate Saladin by thousands of years.

Where did our NORTH West Iranian language come from? It is NOT from the Persians, since the Persians speak a different dialect of Aryan. They speak SOUTH West Iranian. And also, Kurdish is much, much more pure than Persian. Kurdish has still the ERGATIVTY in its grammar. Our language is not from the moon. Kurds speak still the language of their Aryan ancestors. And our direct Aryan ancestors were the Medes.GE

We have even the GENETIC evidence for it! No other race on this planet has more proof about their origin than the Kurds do.

And then people like you come with nonsense about Kurds and spreading lies.


You are same as you ancestors. Your ancestors also were tr0lling other races. And now we can see what happened to them.


You guys have big mouth, but how much Turks, Arabs or Persians did you kill for you homeland. You want you homeland, but you do nothing about it. You don't fight at all. You are SCARED of Arabs, Turks and Persians. You think that Kurds are the weakest and therefore you just tr0lling the Kurds.

We Kurds are the Medes, we are actually the strongest link in the Middle East, lol.


If you want some respect, you must earn respect. Show us that you are though guys and start fighting the Turks, Arabs and Persians. Because those Muslims are you true enemies. Pff, at least Kurds are fighting for their own homeland and the homeland of their direct ancestors the Medes.

What part of "no evidence" do you not understand?
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: nejepnerast on June 21, 2017, 10:41:57 AM
The idea that we can read our ancestry directly from our genes is absurd. This is business, and the business is genetic astrology. We are all related, it’s a matter of degree .

Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on June 21, 2017, 09:59:06 PM
Who cares really? The Medes had nothing to do with Assyrians. Let the Kurds claim they're descendants of Macedonians for all I care. Won't affect me as an Assyrian.

What triggers me, actually, is when they say that they're 100% descendants of Sumerians (when we're more closer, if not virtually). Now that's when you and I should retaliate and tell them they're immensely wrong.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on June 22, 2017, 01:10:03 AM
Assyrians speak a Afro Asiatic language which is from Africa. But their MIXED DNA has some connections with the Levant, Arabia and Mesopotamia.

Same reason why you Indo-Iranians and South Asians speak an Indo-European language - a language family originated in eastern Europe and northwest Asia - You people don't even come from there. The first IE speakers probably looked more like a typical Slav than an Iranian from the Middle East. Obviously, and genetically speaking, you did NOT come from Europe or the land where IE formed. The same way our recent genetic ancestry is not from Africa. You and I adopted the Indo European and Afro-Asiatic languages, respectively, because they naturally came to us as they merely became convenient in our daily lives.

The politicized "Aryan Invasion Theory" (a term no scientist actually uses) debate is worthless. It is simply a proxy for Hindu nationalists vs. South Indian nationalists, and now Iranians. Language can be transmitted with little or no effect on genes. And you know perfectly know this. But your agenda is to conflate language families with race. You are European and therefore "superior", we are Afro-Asiatic so we're African and "inferior". That's your retorting platitude. But regardless, you still have more in common with "Semites" or Levantines than any European peoples. And I know you're using Semite/Aryan in a way to emulate the Nazis.  :lol:

(http://historyofenglishpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/09-Indo-European-Homeland-LO.jpg)

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You are ashamed of your Semitic roots. You don't want to be a Semites. And that's why you hate the Kurds who turned out to be the PUREST Aryans

You hate to be a Semite, because you know that Aryans/Iranians have always been more superior to the Semites. We were, we are and we will always be....

You're obsessed with the Semitic/Aryan thing. Assyrians have no idea what these terms even mean, the many of them, nor they care about them. They only know that they speak a language that is similar to Arabic and Hebrew. You're the desperate snob obsessed with a language family, labeling it as a 'race'.

Assyrians are proud of their Assyrian heritage and their language (so much for being "ashamed"). They're proud of the Assyrian empire and what it has done. So I'm not sure what you mean by "ashamed of their roots". Again, you're only making a big deal of these language families to differentiate yourself from Arabs, Jews and Assyrians, when in fact, you're as Middle Eastern looking as we all are, and more akin to them than Indians, Pakis, Asians and Europeans (excluding Afghans and Iranians). And I told you this countless times before. You're probably projecting massively. You're the one who is ashamed of their race here. Not us. ;)
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on June 22, 2017, 06:45:25 AM
It has been proven by DNA that people in the Yamnaya Horizon were Indo-Europized by people from the Iranian Plateau.

We have DNA of second stage Indo-Europeans from Yamnaya and those folks didn't look like 'Slavic' people at all. Slavic people are only partly (25-30%?) from Yamnaya Horizon and are heavily mixed with the hunter-gatherers. That's why they are considered as subhumans, since they were always 'primitive' tribes. According to the ancient Greeks Slavic people were cannibals.

We have got evidence that Yamnaya culture and Catacomb culture people had dark pigmentation (dark skin)

http://www.pnas.org/content/111/13/4832.full.pdf (http://www.pnas.org/content/111/13/4832.full.pdf)


First stage Indo-Europeans who Indo-Europized the Yamnaya Horizon via Maykop culture came from Leyla-Tepe/NorthWest Iranian Plateau.

Those original proto-Indo-Europeans were Caucaso-Gedrosia people like the Copper Age Iranians.


Yamnaya people (Steppe EMBA) were for about 43% Copper Age Iranians from the Iranian Plateau.


(https://s8.postimg.org/6a93a9tx1/Iran_N_Levant_N_EHG_WHG.png)
(https://s22.postimg.org/q2ikk2sj5/image.jpg)


(https://s24.postimg.org/fj1ks3jol/Yamnaya_2.jpg)
(https://s1.postimg.org/j51av9jvz/Indo-_Europeans.jpg)



As you can see the Aryan/Kudish race was evolved from the Caucaso-Gedrosia people from the Copper Age Iranians from the Iranian Plateau/Kurdistan Zagros Mountains. Proto-Kurds/Aryans have always been native to Kurdistan



Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on June 22, 2017, 06:55:44 AM
The idea that we can read our ancestry directly from our genes is absurd. This is business, and the business is genetic astrology. We are all related, it’s a matter of degree .
DNA is science now. I think you should to update you knowledge.

And DNA is saying that the Ezdi Kurds are among the 'purest' Kurds. Because of our ARYAN religion we didn't mixed much for thousands of years. While Muslim Kurds don't care about mixing...
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on June 22, 2017, 06:59:05 AM
What triggers me, actually, is when they say that they're 100% descendants of Sumerians (when we're more closer, if not virtually). Now that's when you and I should retaliate and tell them they're immensely wrong.
The Medes evolved from the Mitanni/Kassites tribes. Those tribes were almost proto-Iranid. ANd those proto-Iranid/Aryan tribes were related to the mighty Sumerians.

Like Mitanni/Kassites tribes, the Sumerians were also Caucaso-GEDROSIA folks. Ancient Assyrians were mostly the Levant(-Arabia) folks...
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Nemrud on June 22, 2017, 10:19:19 AM
Who cares really? The Medes had nothing to do with Assyrians. Let the Kurds claim they're descendants of Macedonians for all I care. Won't affect me as an Assyrian.

What triggers me, actually, is when they say that they're 100% descendants of Sumerians (when we're more closer, if not virtually). Now that's when you and I should retaliate and tell them they're immensely wrong.

Many Kurds consider themselves descended from the Medes, an ancient Iranian people,[44] and even use a calendar dating from 612 B.C., when the Assyrian capital of Nineveh was conquered by the Medes.[45]

And thats what is annoying!  This affects us assyrians greatly that the kurds have this calendar and says they conquered us!
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: nejepnerast on June 22, 2017, 01:04:12 PM
DNA is science now. I think you should to update you knowledge.

And DNA is saying that the Ezdi Kurds are among the 'purest' Kurds. Because of our ARYAN religion we didn't mixed much for thousands of years. While Muslim Kurds don't care about mixing...
people are either **** or good in all nationalities and being mèdes , Mercedes , gypsies means nothing .

We've known that genetic diversity is good thing for years. Mix breed dogs and cats are known to have longer life spans and healthier lives. The same applies to humans , so being pure is really a bad thing .
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Nemrud on June 22, 2017, 02:55:50 PM
DNA is science now. I think you should to update you knowledge.

And DNA is saying that the Ezdi Kurds are among the 'purest' Kurds. Because of our ARYAN religion we didn't mixed much for thousands of years. While Muslim Kurds don't care about mixing...

Are u racist?
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on June 22, 2017, 06:38:04 PM
Are u racist?
No, I'm a realist.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on June 22, 2017, 06:42:59 PM
people are either **** or good in all nationalities and being mèdes , Mercedes , gypsies means nothing .

We've known that genetic diversity is good thing for years. Mix breed dogs and cats are known to have longer life spans and healthier lives. The same applies to humans , so being pure is really a bad thing .
Kurds are not animals. Let animals mix with each other.

My people are the chosen people of Meleke Taus. And as long they don't mix with other they stay to be the children of Meleke Taus.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: KingA on June 24, 2017, 07:05:24 PM
people are either **** or good in all nationalities and being mèdes , Mercedes , gypsies means nothing .

We've known that genetic diversity is good thing for years. Mix breed dogs and cats are known to have longer life spans and healthier lives. The same applies to humans , so being pure is really a bad thing .

"We are pure race", is bull***

That fact is the Modern Assyrian and Kurd have almost the same DNA.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on June 24, 2017, 08:01:59 PM
"We are pure race", is bull***

That fact is the Modern Assyrian and Kurd have almost the same DNA.
Lol, what is this bull. Kurds are only 8.1 Iranian?? LMAO!!! Kurds are actually 100% Iranians of Iranid race. We are the end legacy of the Iranian/ARYAN race. We are the end product of Iranian people. We are the continuation of the Aryans. We are preserving their history, their culture, their language and their race.

Everybody can make their own crazy and stupid admixtures.


It is better to stick to the SCIENCE. And the science is telling us that Kurdish DNA didn't change much the last 3500 years. Kurds are the PUREST race at least in the Middle East.


Kurds are much closer to the Persians, other Western Iranians, people of the Caucasus than to the Assyrians.

Kurds are EVEN closer to the Anatolian Turks than to the Assyrians.


Assyrians are close to Kurds and Persians because Assyrians are mixed with our people from the Iranian Plateau/Zagros Mountains.


Kurds, Persians + other Western Iranians + native people of the Caucasus cluster together, while there is a difference between this supra-Aryan cluster and the Semitic Jewish/Lebanese/Assyrian cluster.


Kurds cluster very, very close to the ancient ARYAN people, the Copper age Iranians:


(https://s12.postimg.org/hxjcc5ny5/wykres_PCA.png)
(https://s9.postimg.org/nixjrc8fz/nature13673-f2.jpg)
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on July 07, 2017, 10:50:58 AM


[url]http://www.pnas.org/content/111/13/4832.full.pdf[/url] ([url]http://www.pnas.org/content/111/13/4832.full.pdf[/url])


First stage Indo-Europeans who Indo-Europized the Yamnaya Horizon via Maykop culture came from Leyla-Tepe/NorthWest Iranian Plateau.

Those original proto-Indo-Europeans were Caucaso-Gedrosia people like the Copper Age Iranians.


Yamnaya people (Steppe EMBA) were for about 43% Copper Age Iranians from the Iranian Plateau.


([url]https://s8.postimg.org/6a93a9tx1/Iran_N_Levant_N_EHG_WHG.png[/url])
([url]https://s22.postimg.org/q2ikk2sj5/image.jpg[/url])


([url]https://s24.postimg.org/fj1ks3jol/Yamnaya_2.jpg[/url])
([url]https://s1.postimg.org/j51av9jvz/Indo-_Europeans.jpg[/url])

As you can see the Aryan/Kudish race was evolved from the Caucaso-Gedrosia people from the Copper Age Iranians from the Iranian Plateau/Kurdistan Zagros Mountains. Proto-Kurds/Aryans have always been native to Kurdistan

Why are you so focused on paleothic and copper age eras? You do realized that both my people and yours have long been mixed since then. You even had Assyrian and Jewish in you - I'm sure other Yazidis would too today. And I'm also sure that (Islamic) Kurds would have a lot of Arab in them due to Arab conquest and Islamicization. Now you may have been pure 3000-10,000 years, but you're not so pure now. Even Assyrians, mind you.

Indo-European isn't even a race and it's a blur. Assyrians are no more or less "Indo-European" than actual Indo-European speaking folks like Afghans, Pakis, Indians and even some southern Iranians, who would have Mongoloid, Australoid and even Negroid mixing. And since, as you proclaim, Indo European urheimat was in eastern Turkey, the peoples in the surrounding the region would be more "Indo-European" than those in central Asia (who speak the language), who are Turkic looking.

Look at your diagrams properly - The first farmers were Levantines. Except, you can clearly see that they migrated into Mesopotamia and then into Caucasus. Humans will always migrate. Go back 20,000 years and they are in Africa. Your people also came from there, as did mine. Those from the Levant were the ones who moved to the Caucasus and eastern Europe. Some stayed of course. The actual original Proto-Indo Europeans were Near Easterners/Levantines. They gave rise to your people thousands of years later, who started to speak IE first, and your people gave rise to the rest of the other Indo-European speaking people. You didn't evolve or come out of thin air in Mesopotamia.

Btw, IE urheimat being in eastern Turkey is hypothesis. Other proposals have the urheimat in Central Asia and Eastern Europe. So we just don't know really. Even the Afro-Asiatic language is theorized to origin in the Levant (as instead of eastern Africa), where it then spread to Africa.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on July 07, 2017, 12:32:45 PM
Why are you so focused on paleothic and copper age eras? You do realized that both my people and yours have long been mixed since then. You even had Assyrian and Jewish in you - I'm sure other Yazidis would too today. And I'm also sure that (Islamic) Kurds would have a lot of Arab in them due to Arab conquest and Islamicization. Now you may have been pure 3000-10,000 years, but you're not so pure now. Even Assyrians, mind you.
Because we have got ancient DNA of the ancient people, even from the people from the era of the mighty Medes.

And when you compare the ancient DNA of the Medes with the modern Kurdish DNA, it is practically the same. No other people on this planets are closer to the ancient Medes than the Kurds.

I don't think that Kurds have much of the Arab DNA in them, because Kurds are tribal people. If Kurds would mix with other races our tribes would disappear. But there are still Kurdish tribes. It is a reality. We Kurds know the origin of our tribes and our tribes are native to the Kurdish Aryan Zagros mountains. All 'real' Kurdish tribes have Kurdish roots.

Kurdistan is a mountain region. The mountains are our best friends. Because of the mountains there never took much mixing, because we are isolated from other people due to the mountains. The mountains preserved our race.


If they found out that modern Kurds are not close to ancient Copper Age Aryans, it would be world news and everybody would use it against the Kurds, LMAO. But since we have the GENETIC evidence that Kurds are practically identical to the Copper Age Aryans (Medes) enemies of the Kurds are trivializing this very important fact that Kurds are practically unchanged as an Aryan race for about 3500 of years.

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Indo-European isn't even a race and it's a blur. Assyrians are no more or less "Indo-European" than actual Indo-European speaking folks like Afghans, Pakis, Indians and even some southern Iranians, who would have Mongoloid, Australoid and even Negroid mixing. And since, as you proclaim, Indo European urheimat was in eastern Turkey, the peoples in the surrounding the region would be more "Indo-European" than those in central Asia (who speak the language), who are Turkic looking.
Indo-European is a language family group. There is still some genetic connection between all the Indo-European speakers.

I don't think that East Iranian South Central Asians are less Indo-European than the Assyrians. South Central Asians are actually very East Iranid. They have much, much, much more Caucaso-Gedrosia DNA in them than the Assyrians.

Caucaso-Gedrosia auDNA marker is an Aryan/Iranian marker. Even the people of the Steppes, who were the SECOND stage Indo-Europeans who invaded Europe were for a HUGE part Caucaso-Gedrosia people.

East Iranian South Central Asians are much more 'Iranid' than Assyrians, since they have much more Caucaso-Gedrosia auDNA in them.

I'm not sure about the native Caucaus people, though. I believe that the native people of the Caucasus, like Georgians or Adygeans are even more 'Iranid' that the actual 'East Iranian' people. Because some native Caucasian people like Adygeans have also a lot Caucaso-Gedrosia auDNA in them.

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Look at your diagrams properly - The first farmers were Levantines. Except, you can clearly see that they migrated into Mesopotamia and then into Caucasus. Humans will always migrate. Go back 20,000 years and they are in Africa. Your people also came from there, as did mine. Those from the Levant were the ones who moved to the Caucasus and eastern Europe. Some stayed of course. The actual original Proto-Indo Europeans were Near Easterners/Levantines. They gave rise to your people thousands of years later, who started to speak IE first, and your people gave rise to the rest of the other Indo-European speaking people. You didn't evolve or come out of thin air in Mesopotamia.

Btw, IE urheimat being in eastern Turkey is hypothesis. Other proposals have the urheimat in Central Asia and Eastern Europe. So we just don't know really. Even the Afro-Asiatic language is theorized to origin in the Levant (as instead of eastern Africa), where it then spread to Africa.
No, you are making a mistake. Ancient NEOLITHIC FARMERS from the Iranian Plateau belonged to a very different race than the Levant people. Iran_N and Levant_N were very different people.

Iran_N were the farmers and they very very different from Levant_N.


You are talking about the 'Anatolian Farmers'. The Anatolian Farmers had some Levant_N admixture. And the Anatolian Farmers later mixed with the Iranian Plateau farmers. That's how modern Kurds have some Levant_N auDNA. The Kurds got the (Semitic) Levant_N auDNA mosly from the Anatolian farmers


As you can see there is an arrow from the Levant_N to Anatolian_Chl and Anatolian_N. There is NO direct arrow from Levant to Iran.


Anatolia intermediated between Levant and Iranian Plateau.



There is a GENETIC evidence that proto-Indo-Europeans came from an area between the 'Armenian Plateau' and Northwest Iranian Plateau. Second stage Indo-Europeans in the Yamnaya Horizon were for a huge part heavily influenced by 'Caucaso-Gedrosia' people. Many Indo-European cultures, like Leyla-Tepe and the Maykop culture predate the Yamnaya culture.

We had the archaeological evidences than Proto-Indo-Europeans came from the Middle East and now we have got a genetic evidence for that too.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on July 07, 2017, 12:35:10 PM
But NEVER forget that of ALL modern people in the world today, the Kurds are the closest people to the mighty ancient Aryan Medes.

Kurdish DNA is practically identical to the Copper Age Aryan Medes. No race is closer to the DNA of the Aryan Medes than the Kurdish race. And now we have got a genetic evidence for this fact.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Nemrud on July 08, 2017, 09:24:23 AM
If l understand this guy correctly he ignore all the evidence you give him and say what he want to say, so all just ignore him.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on July 08, 2017, 02:28:59 PM
If l understand this guy correctly he ignore all the evidence you give him and say what he want to say, so all just ignore him.

yes lol.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on July 08, 2017, 08:50:44 PM
If l understand this guy correctly he ignore all the evidence you give him and say what he want to say, so all just ignore him.
Lol, do you think I'm a ignorant retard. If you claim something you should support it with the scientific/academic evidence.

I know it is very difficult for you to accept soemthing about someone you really hate. But you like it or not, Kurds are ARYAN people. Kurds are the direct descendants of the mighty Medes. It has been proven by DNA. Our native language is Aryan. Kurdish is an Aryan (West Iranian) language.

Kurds don't speak AFRO-Asiatic Semitic dialect. Kurds speak a purest Aryan language...
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on July 09, 2017, 08:50:13 AM
I don't think that Kurds have much of the Arab DNA in them, because Kurds are tribal people. If Kurds would mix with other races our tribes would disappear. But there are still Kurdish tribes. It is a reality. We Kurds know the origin of our tribes and our tribes are native to the Kurdish Aryan Zagros mountains. All 'real' Kurdish tribes have Kurdish roots.
Then why are the majority of Kurds Muslims? They didn't just convert by hearing about Islam. I'm pretty sure that some, just some of them, mixed with Arabs.

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Indo-European is a language family group. There is still some genetic connection between all the Indo-European speakers. 
We're all related to an extent anyway. It's a nuanced continuum. Assyrians are still vastly more closer to Turkic speaking people like the Turks and Indians too (if you want to go far) than to Nigerians, who predominantly speak an Afro-Asiatic language. So don't language families too much for granted.

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I don't think that East Iranian South Central Asians are less Indo-European than the Assyrians. South Central Asians are actually very East Iranid. They have much, much, much more Caucaso-Gedrosia DNA in them than the Assyrians.
Is that a modern DNA result or a copper age one? If they're pure Caucasians, then why do they have Mongoloid features? Looked at Afghans? They look more Turkic than actual Turks. Just saying.

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Caucaso-Gedrosia auDNA marker is an Aryan/Iranian marker. Even the people of the Steppes, who were the SECOND stage Indo-Europeans who invaded Europe were for a HUGE part Caucaso-Gedrosia people.
I'm lost now. Are you native to the Caucasus, the Zagros in Iran or Mesopotamia? Choose one place already. Lol.

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You are talking about the 'Anatolian Farmers'. The Anatolian Farmers had some Levant_N admixture. And the Anatolian Farmers later mixed with the Iranian Plateau farmers. That's how modern Kurds have some Levant_N auDNA. The Kurds got the (Semitic) Levant_N auDNA mosly from the Anatolian farmers
Not going to disagree with that. But why does it matter where we all come from anyway? We're from the Levant, you're Iranid. So what? What makes a Levant farmer better or worse than Iranid or Anatolian farmers? How does a nomadic lifestyle from thousands of yours ago benefit you?

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As you can see there is an arrow from the Levant_N to Anatolian_Chl and Anatolian_N. There is NO direct arrow from Levant to Iran.
Bonus question that I have been pondering about: Where were the Iranids 20,000-30,000 years ago? Surely they were NOT in Iran or the Caucasus all the time. You must confess and realize that they did come out from Africa or eastern Levant one time history.

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Anatolia intermediated between Levant and Iranian Plateau.
Even basic geography agrees with that. ;)

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There is a GENETIC evidence that proto-Indo-Europeans came from an area between the 'Armenian Plateau' and Northwest Iranian Plateau. Second stage Indo-Europeans in the Yamnaya Horizon were for a huge part heavily influenced by 'Caucaso-Gedrosia' people. Many Indo-European cultures, like Leyla-Tepe and the Maykop culture predate the Yamnaya culture.
Not denying that. There is genetic evidence that we all came from Africa. Doesn't mean we're all subsaharan African. If a modern, Swedish "Indo-European" gets a DNA test he will not match with Iranid peoples and the likes. If a modern Iranian person gets a test, he will still cluster more closely (not dramatically, mind you) to Levantine people than with Danes, Swedes or other Indo-European speakers in Europe.

Somehow, you want to make Indo-Europeans (from Icelandic people to Afghans) to have some sort of a close genetic relation, when that isn't the case in the modern DNA department. You still have more in common with other Middle Easterners and Western Asians (including Armenians) than with, say, the French or Russians.

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We had the archaeological evidences than Proto-Indo-Europeans came from the Middle East and now we have got a genetic evidence for that too.
This isn't news. The Middle East would have been a birth to many language families, after Africa. Language started in Africa, where it then dispersed out of the continent, into the Levant (where Semitic was formed), to Mesopotamia, Iran (Indo European, in your case), the Caucasus (Kartvellian) and eventually into the east (Turkic) and Europe.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on July 09, 2017, 03:20:47 PM
Then why are the majority of Kurds Muslims? They didn't just convert by hearing about Islam. I'm pretty sure that some, just some of them, mixed with Arabs.
We're all related to an extent anyway. It's a nuanced continuum. Assyrians are still vastly more closer to Turkic speaking people like the Turks and Indians too (if you want to go far) than to Nigerians, who predominantly speak an Afro-Asiatic language. So don't language families too much for granted.
Is that a modern DNA result or a copper age one? If they're pure Caucasians, then why do they have Mongoloid features? Looked at Afghans? They look more Turkic than actual Turks. Just saying.
I'm lost now. Are you native to the Caucasus, the Zagros in Iran or Mesopotamia? Choose one place already. Lol.
Not going to disagree with that. But why does it matter where we all come from anyway? We're from the Levant, you're Iranid. So what? What makes a Levant farmer better or worse than Iranid or Anatolian farmers? How does a nomadic lifestyle from thousands of yours ago benefit you?
Bonus question that I have been pondering about: Where were the Iranids 20,000-30,000 years ago? Surely they were NOT in Iran or the Caucasus all the time. You must confess and realize that they did come out from Africa or eastern Levant one time history.
Even basic geography agrees with that. ;)
Not denying that. There is genetic evidence that we all came from Africa. Doesn't mean we're all subsaharan African. If a modern, Swedish "Indo-European" gets a DNA test he will not match with Iranid peoples and the likes. If a modern Iranian person gets a test, he will still cluster more closely (not dramatically, mind you) to Levantine people than with Danes, Swedes or other Indo-European speakers in Europe.

Somehow, you want to make Indo-Europeans (from Icelandic people to Afghans) to have some sort of a close genetic relation, when that isn't the case in the modern DNA department. You still have more in common with other Middle Easterners and Western Asians (including Armenians) than with, say, the French or Russians.
This isn't news. The Middle East would have been a birth to many language families, after Africa. Language started in Africa, where it then dispersed out of the continent, into the Levant (where Semitic was formed), to Mesopotamia, Iran (Indo European, in your case), the Caucasus (Kartvellian) and eventually into the east (Turkic) and Europe.

stop feeding the troll please. And yes, all Kurds have at least one Arab/Assyrian/Semitic ancestor. I can somewhat say the same for Persians although modern persians are more likely to be a mix of every ancient Iranic people.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on July 09, 2017, 06:44:57 PM
I'm just going to nip this entire thread in the bud with this statement.

Even if Kurds are descendants of the Medes, what about other Iranian people? I'm very sure that many if not hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of Persians, Balochis, or even Luris have Median ancestry.

Secondly, not much is really known about the Medes in terms of culture so how do Kurds know what part of their culture was originally Median compared to Iranian in general? Kurds celebrate Newroz which is no different from Persian Nowruz and the holiday was invented by Mesopotamia...

Language scholars have already figured that Kurdish is related more to Parthian than Median. Kurdish does have Median words but so does every other Iranic language.

An important note is that a Median empire never existed. There's no archaeological or local writings. The post-empire Assyrians didn't write about a Median empire and the Babylonians didn't write about a Median empire nor did the Persians. The only person to claim a median empire was Herodotus.

So no, Kurds are not (direct) descendants of Medes. If you don't like it, deal with it and come back with evidence and a clear timeline of how Medes became Kurds.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on July 09, 2017, 07:08:11 PM
I'm just going to nip this entire thread in the bud with this statement.

Even if Kurds are descendants of the Medes, what about other Iranian people? I'm very sure that many if not hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of Persians, Balochis, or even Luris have Median ancestry.

Secondly, not much is really known about the Medes in terms of culture so how do Kurds know what part of their culture was originally Median compared to Iranian in general? Kurds celebrate Newroz which is no different from Persian Nowruz and the holiday was invented by Mesopotamia...

Language scholars have already figured that Kurdish is related more to Parthian than Median. Kurdish does have Median words but so does every other Iranic language.

An important note is that a Median empire never existed. There's no archaeological or local writings. The post-empire Assyrians didn't write about a Median empire and the Babylonians didn't write about a Median empire nor did the Persians. The only person to claim a median empire was Herodotus.

So no, Kurds are not (direct) descendants of Medes. If you don't like it, deal with it and come back with evidence and a clear timeline of how Medes became Kurds.
The Medes were NORTH West Iranian people. Like Kurds are the NORTH West Iranian people. Persians are SOUTH West Iranian people.


Once again Kurds are NORTH West Iranian people, like the Medes. Persians are SOUTH West Iranian people. Central Asian Iranian people are EAST Iranian people.

Parthians were basically Medes with extra Scythian ancestry. Like the Medes and Kurds, also the Parthians were NORTH West Iranian people.

Parthians = 80 % Medes + 20% Scythian (Saka/Parni from Central Asia).



We have DNA as evidence. We have ancient Copper Age DNA from the ERA of the Medes. And that DNA is identical to the modern day Kurdish DNA!
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on July 09, 2017, 07:23:07 PM
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Then why are the majority of Kurds Muslims? They didn't just convert by hearing about Islam. I'm pretty sure that some, just some of them, mixed with Arabs.
What the hell are you talking about?

Islam is just a religion and NOT ethno-religion.

Indonesia is the biggest Muslim country in the world with more than 250 million Muslims. Pakistan is also a Muslim country. There are many Muslim nations in Northern Caucasus and even in Europe. Are all those people also mixed with the Arabs?

Are Indonesians Arabs?

The legendary boxer Mohammed Ali became a Muslim. Does he also have Arab roots?




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We're all related to an extent anyway. It's a nuanced continuum. Assyrians are still vastly more closer to Turkic speaking people like the Turks and Indians too (if you want to go far) than to Nigerians, who predominantly speak an Afro-Asiatic language. So don't language families too much for granted.
Doesn't matter to what extend we are related, but we are also very different from each other.


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Is that a modern DNA result or a copper age one? If they're pure Caucasians, then why do they have Mongoloid features? Looked at Afghans? They look more Turkic than actual Turks. Just saying.
In Afghanistan live many different races. Tajiks, Pashtuns and Uzbeks. But East Iranian Afghans, no matter how much they are mixed with the Mongoloid people, are still much more Iranian than the Assyrians etc.


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I'm lost now. Are you native to the Caucasus, the Zagros in Iran or Mesopotamia? Choose one place already. Lol.
Iranian Plateau.

Zagros Mountains and the Northern Mesopotamia like Shengal are all part of the Iranian Plateau



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Bonus question that I have been pondering about: Where were the Iranids 20,000-30,000 years ago? Surely they were NOT in Iran or the Caucasus all the time. You must confess and realize that they did come out from Africa or eastern Levant one time history.
Nobody knows that. We don't have ancient DNA that old.

What we have got is ancient DNA from the Levant and the Zagros Mountains of 10000 years old. And those people were very different from each other. There was more distance than between African and people from China.


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Somehow, you want to make Indo-Europeans (from Icelandic people to Afghans) to have some sort of a close genetic relation, when that isn't the case in the modern DNA department. You still have more in common with other Middle Easterners and Western Asians (including Armenians) than with, say, the French or Russians.
There has always been a difference between the ancient Iranian people and the European people.

The mighty ARAYN Medes were like Kurds NORTH West Iranian people and NOT Celtic, Germanic or Slavic. That's why Medes were West Iranic (Aryan) and NOT Slavic, Celtic or Germanic. Once again, the Medes were WEST Iranic native to Kurdistan. Identical to modern day Kurds.


The Medes were not like people from Iceland. The ancient Medes and the ancient Persians were like modern day Kurds and modern day Persians.




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This isn't news. The Middle East would have been a birth to many language families, after Africa. Language started in Africa, where it then dispersed out of the continent, into the Levant (where Semitic was formed), to Mesopotamia, Iran (Indo European, in your case), the Caucasus (Kartvellian) and eventually into the east (Turkic) and Europe.
Who cares.

But this thread was started to tr0ll the Kurds. Of course Kurds are the direct descendants of the Medes. We have DNA as evidence.

Like the Medes, Kurds are considered to be NORTH West Iranian people. Our language is older and much more pure than Persian, which is a SOUTH West Iranian language.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on July 09, 2017, 07:30:09 PM
The Medes were NORTH West Iranian people. Like Kurds are the NORTH West Iranian people. Persians are SOUTH West Iranian people.


Once again Kurds are NORTH West Iranian people, like the Medes. Persians are SOUTH West Iranian people. Central Asian Iranian people are EAST Iranian people.

Parthians were basically Medes with extra Scythian ancestry. Like the Medes and Kurds, also the Parthians were NORTH West Iranian people.

Parthian = 80 % Medes + 20% Scythian (Saka from Central Asia).



We have DNA as evidence. We have ancient Copper Age DNA from the ERA of the Medes. And that DNA is identical to the modern day Kurdish DNA!
(http://i.imgur.com/MsIaW0U.jpg)
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on July 09, 2017, 08:50:10 PM

We have DNA as evidence. We have ancient Copper Age DNA from the ERA of the Medes. And that DNA is identical to the modern day Kurdish DNA!


So does everybody else...
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on July 09, 2017, 09:50:45 PM
So does everybody else...
I don't understand you. The Copper Age DNA from Zagros was the closest match with the Kurds. Modern Assyrian, Armenian, Arab, Turkish DNA is different from the Copper Age Median era DNA from Zagros.


Of course Kurds have some relatives. Kurds are not the only people who are NorthWest Iranian and who are the direct descendants of the Medes. There are some small nations in North West Iran who also speak a North West Iranian language and who are also genetically very close to the Kurds, but their populations are very, very smal. Just a few hundred thousand.

With 50 million people, the Kurdish nation is the biggest NORTH West Iranian population in the world.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on July 09, 2017, 09:59:01 PM
It is also very stupid to say that Kurds are mixed with Arabs because Kurds are Muslims. It is as stupid as to say that English people are mixed with Assyrians because English people are Christians.


Christianity by country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country

do all this people have Assyrian roots?


or

Islam by country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

do all those countrie have Arab roots?


Once again, Islam or Christianity are NOT ethno-religions. They are just religions...


Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on July 09, 2017, 10:12:03 PM
What the hell are you talking about?

Islam is just a religion and NOT ethno-religion.

Indonesia is the biggest Muslim country in the world with more than 250 million Muslims. Pakistan is also a Muslim country. There are many Muslim nations in Northern Caucasus and even in Europe. Are all those people also mixed with the Arabs?

Are Indonesians Arabs?

The legendary boxer Mohammed Ali became a Muslim. Does he also have Arab roots?

You do realize that Islam was spread by violence and rape? FYI, Indonesians do have a little bit of Arab in them, as do Central Asians. Kurds, in comparison, would have more. Why? They're simply in the Middle East and closer to Arabs. So intermixing would be occurring more due to the close distance.

Feeble analogy. Mohammed Ali was a single Muslim convert (NOT even a Muslim by birth). He probably descended from predominant Christian Africans, as did many other African Americans.

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Zagros Mountains and the Northern Mesopotamia like Shengal are all part of the Iranian Plateau

No region of Mesopotamia is part of the Iranian Plateau. You do realize that Mesopotamia is made up of relatively flat plains? It's hardly a plateau. The farthest periphery in Northern Iraq, where the Zagros form, are part of the Plateau. And they make up, what? 1% of Mesopotamia? 99% of Mesopotamia has nothing to do with the Plateau. So geography and geology simply disagree with you here. Refer to this map:

(http://jgs.geoscienceworld.org/content/jgs/169/1/83/F1.large.jpg)

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Nobody knows that. We don't have ancient DNA that old.

What we have got is ancient DNA from the Levant and the Zagros Mountains of 10000 years old. And those people were very different from each other. There was more distance than between African and people from China.

Um, we do have ancient DNA. We are all traced to Africa. Your people didn't spawn in the Zagros out of nowhere. They all eventually came from the African continent, like we all did. Sure, some were more recent or belated exports, but we all came from one place. And so what?

Nope, we're not that different, especially today. You're making a severe overstatement. Levant farmers and Iranid people are as different as Slavs and Italics - Similar peoples, but a wholly differing culture and moderately distinct looks. Your hatred and disgust of Levantines wouldn't make them so distinct to you. Heck, your own gedmatch had Assyrian and Jewish. Last time I checked, Africans don't even have east Asian in them (and vice versa). Lmao.

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There has always been a difference between the ancient Iranian people and the European people.

The mighty ARAYN Medes were like Kurds NORTH West Iranian people and NOT Celtic, Germanic or Slavic. That's why Medes were West Iranic (Aryan) and NOT Slavic, Celtic or Germanic. Once again, the Medes were WEST Iranic native to Kurdistan. Identical to modern day Kurds.

The Medes were not like people from Iceland. The ancient Medes and the ancient Persians were like modern day Kurds and modern day Persians.

You did not get my point. You just said earlier that all Indo-European speakers have a genetic relation (in which they do), and you seemed to emphasize on that part. All I said was that it's blurred nowadays - Kurds are still closer to Assyrians and Jews than to Swedes, Danes and other Indo-Europeans from Europe. And you should agree with this fact.

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Who cares.

But this thread was started to tr0ll the Kurds. Of course Kurds are the direct descendants of the Medes. We have DNA as evidence.

Like the Medes, Kurds are considered to be NORTH West Iranian people. Our language is older and much more pure than Persian, which is a SOUTH West Iranian language.

Well, apparently you care. You're the one who is preoccupied with languages and races. You just said that Indo-European came from the Middle East and I was like of course, since most languages derived from the Near East and Africa.

stop feeding the troll please. And yes, all Kurds have at least one Arab/Assyrian/Semitic ancestor. I can somewhat say the same for Persians although modern persians are more likely to be a mix of every ancient Iranic people.

His opinions surely are a bit too far-fetched, but he doesn't seem like a troll and he seems like a debater. He does provide sources and he has good eloquence, I give him that.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on July 09, 2017, 10:49:17 PM
You do realize that Islam was spread by violence and rape? FYI, Indonesians do have a little bit of Arab in them, as do Central Asians. Kurds, in comparison, would have more. Why? They're simply in the Middle East and closer to Arabs. So intermixing would be occurring more due to the close distance.

Feeble analogy. Mohammed Ali was a single Muslim convert (NOT even a Muslim by birth). He probably descended from predominant Christian Africans, as did many other African Americans.
No region of Mesopotamia is part of the Iranian Plateau. You do realize that Mesopotamia is made up of relatively flat plains? It's hardly a plateau. The farthest periphery in Northern Iraq, where the Zagros form, are part of the Plateau. And they make up, what? 1% of Mesopotamia? 99% of Mesopotamia has nothing to do with the Plateau. So geography and geology simply disagree with you here. Refer to this map:

([url]http://jgs.geoscienceworld.org/content/jgs/169/1/83/F1.large.jpg[/url])
Um, we do have ancient DNA. We are all traced to Africa. Your people didn't spawn in the Zagros out of nowhere. They all eventually came from the African continent, like we all did. Sure, some were more recent or belated exports, but we all came from one place. And so what?

Nope, we're not that different, especially today. You're making a severe overstatement. Levant farmers and Iranid people are as different as Slavs and Italics - Similar peoples, but a wholly differing culture and moderately distinct looks. Your hatred and disgust of Levantines wouldn't make them so distinct to you. Heck, your own gedmatch had Assyrian and Jewish. Last time I checked, Africans don't even have east Asian in them (and vice versa). Lmao.
You did not get my point. You just said earlier that all Indo-European speakers have a genetic relation (in which they do), and you seemed to emphasize on that part. All I said was that it's blurred nowadays - Kurds are still closer to Assyrians and Jews than to Swedes, Danes and other Indo-Europeans from Europe. And you should agree with this fact.
Well, apparently you care. You're the one who is preoccupied with languages and races. You just said that Indo-European came from the Middle East and I was like of course, since most languages derived from the Near East and Africa.
His opinions surely are a bit too far-fetched, but he doesn't seem like a troll and he seems like a debater. He does provide sources and he has good eloquence, I give him that.


stop feeding the troll that doesn't contribute anything.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on July 10, 2017, 04:46:03 AM
You do realize that Islam was spread by violence and rape? FYI, Indonesians do have a little bit of Arab in them, as do Central Asians. Kurds, in comparison, would have more. Why? They're simply in the Middle East and closer to Arabs. So intermixing would be occurring more due to the close distance.
Stupid thinking. Kurds are tribal people and Kurdistan is a MOUNTAINIOUS area. Not many Arabs could reach Kurdish Mountains and mix with the Kurds who were isolated in the mountains at the first place.

According to our DNA there is no evidence at all that Kurds mixed with the Arabs. Kurds have still the same DNA as Copper Age Aryans


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No region of Mesopotamia is part of the Iranian Plateau. You do realize that Mesopotamia is made up of relatively flat plains? It's hardly a plateau. The farthest periphery in Northern Iraq, where the Zagros form, are part of the Plateau. And they make up, what? 1% of Mesopotamia? 99% of Mesopotamia has nothing to do with the Plateau. So geography and geology simply disagree with you here.
You don't knwo what the Northern Mesopotamia is. It is you problem and not my problem


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Um, we do have ancient DNA. We are all traced to Africa. Your people didn't spawn in the Zagros out of nowhere. They all eventually came from the African continent, like we all did. Sure, some were more recent or belated exports, but we all came from one place. And so what?
We don't know that yet. We don't have ancient DNA that old to compare. Multiregional origin of modern humans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiregional_origin_of_modern_humans



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Nope, we're not that different, especially today. You're making a severe overstatement. Levant farmers and Iranid people are as different as Slavs and Italics - Similar peoples, but a wholly differing culture and moderately distinct looks. Your hatred and disgust of Levantines wouldn't make them so distinct to you. Heck, your own gedmatch had Assyrian and Jewish. Last time I checked, Africans don't even have east Asian in them (and vice versa). Lmao.
No, if you watch to the map you can clearly see that Neolithic Levant farmers and Neolithic Iranian farmers were very different races

(https://s11.postimg.org/q364z5rbn/wykres_PCA.png)
(https://s10.postimg.org/qpydphvbd/hggj.jpg)


Kurds are still VERY close to the ancient Iranian people.


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You did not get my point. You just said earlier that all Indo-European speakers have a genetic relation (in which they do), and you seemed to emphasize on that part. All I said was that it's blurred nowadays - Kurds are still closer to Assyrians and Jews than to Swedes, Danes and other Indo-Europeans from Europe. And you should agree with this fact.
Not sure about the Jews. And about what kind of Jews are talking about? European Jews are still much closer to the Europeans than Kurds. Jews are VERY mixed and not a good proxy population.

It is possible that Assyrians are closer to West Iranian people than Celtic or Germanic or Slavic people. But that is because Assyrians are a very, vey small Afro-Asiatic Semitic population who is mixed with the Sumerians, Iranians, Armenians etc. from the very beginning.

Assyrians as a small population are very mixed people, that's why they cluster between the Levant people and Iranians. But the roots and origin of the Assyrian people (language) is Semitic. This is a fact.


Kurds are much closer to native West Asian people like Georgians and other Caucasians than to the Assyrians. And much closer to the native North West ASIAN people than to the European People. Why? Because Kurds are NATIVE to their homeland.

The reason why I'm saying this due to the fact that Kurds are still very close to the ancient Iranian/Aryan people



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Well, apparently you care. You're the one who is preoccupied with languages and races. You just said that Indo-European came from the Middle East and I was like of course, since most languages derived from the Near East and Africa.
I'm telling this because I don't want to show that Kurds are like Europeans, but to show that Kurds are actually NATIVE to Kurdistan. That Kurds are from nowhere but only from Kurdistan.

As a Kurd a do care about my roots and I do care about the origin of the Kurds. I don't care about Europeans or something. I only care about my own origin. And my origin is that I'm a direct product of the Medes, that Kurds are NORTH West Iranic people and we are NATIVE to Kurdistan.

Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on July 10, 2017, 06:35:56 AM
Stupid thinking. Kurds are tribal people and Kurdistan is a MOUNTAINIOUS area. Not many Arabs could reach Kurdish Mountains and mix with the Kurds who were isolated in the mountains at the first place.

According to our DNA there is no evidence at all that Kurds mixed with the Arabs. Kurds have still the same DNA as Copper Age Aryans
Arabs invaded Western Asia, the Caucasus, Southern Europe, Western Asia and northern Africa. What makes you so sure that they weren't able reach the mountains in the foothills of their own region? You are funny. Let this map speak to you:

(https://redmoonrapture.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Arab-Conquest-killed-120-million-Christians.jpg)

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You don't knwo what the Northern Mesopotamia is. It is you problem and not my problem
You lack geographical reasoning. And that's a problem. I don't mean that as an insult. Zagros mountains occur in the farthest reaches of Northern Iraq, near southeastern Turkey and northwest Iran. They are a highland and they are not in Mesopotamia, or "the land between two rivers", which are made up of flat plains. That's just plain geological fact. Look at a darn map for your own good before making falsities.

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We don't know that yet. We don't have ancient DNA that old to compare. Multiregional origin of modern humans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiregional_origin_of_modern_humans
I'll stick with the out of Africa theory because it's the one with the most evidence.

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No, if you watch to the map you can clearly see that Neolithic Levant farmers and Neolithic Iranian farmers were very different races

(https://s11.postimg.org/q364z5rbn/wykres_PCA.png)
(https://s10.postimg.org/qpydphvbd/hggj.jpg)
For the love of God, look at how close Jordanians/Syrians and Iranians/Turks cluster in the second pic? Do you realize that these are neighbouring ethnic groups, just like Malaysians, Singaporeans and Indonesians. They're not races. Again, I don't see how a neolithic era is so relevant in today's genealogy of our people.

*Cough* Where is the Assyrian marker, btw?

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Kurds are still VERY close to the ancient Iranian people.
To a high degree, yes.

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It is possible that Assyrians are closer to West Iranian people than Celtic or Germanic or Slavic people. But that is because Assyrians are a very, vey small Afro-Asiatic Semitic population who is mixed with the Sumerians, Iranians, Armenians etc. from the very beginning.
You make it seem like mixing is a bad thing. We're only that mixed because our empire sprawled towards a lot of ancient nations.

Iranians are mixed too. They are more Arab or Semitic than Kurds, even more so than us, because of Islam conquest. Have you seen how much some Iranians look very Saudi Arabian, especially those living in the gulf? Ancient Iranian people, before Islamicization, looked more "Caucasian" and akin to Armenians or those in the Caucasus.

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Assyrians as a small population are very mixed people, that's why they cluster between the Levant people and Iranians. But the roots and origin of the Assyrian people (language) is Semitic. This is a fact.
Stop making it so black and white. We only cluster between Levantines and Iranians because we're, NEWSFLASH, situated between the two regions of the Levant and Iran. This is not mixing. We just are that way. That's like saying Central Asians are mixed with Chinese people because they are Mongoloid looking. No, they look that way because they naturally share both Caucasian and Asian features, without any mixing.

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The reason why I'm saying this due to the fact that Kurds are still very close to the ancient Iranian/Aryan people.
And I'm not standing against that.

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I'm telling this because I don't want to show that Kurds are like Europeans, but to show that Kurds are actually NATIVE to Kurdistan. That Kurds are from nowhere but only from Kurdistan.
You are from the Iranian Plateau (NOT Mesopotamia), in the mountains, and you surely closely bordered our people. We were the ones in the plains of Mesopotamia. That's where we originated from. Yes, yes, maybe we came from a different homeland in the neolithic times, but that doesn't mean a thing. Our written history and culture began in Mesopotamia at the end of the day. Can you please acknowledge this?

P.S. Kurds did come from Medes. Couldn't care less either way. But you guys have a bit of Assyrian in you, just the same way we have Iranian in us. It goes both way. And let's embrace it.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on July 10, 2017, 02:34:16 PM
Arabs invaded Western Asia, the Caucasus, Southern Europe, Western Asia and northern Africa. What makes you so sure that they weren't able reach the mountains in the foothills of their own region? You are funny. Let this map speak to you:
Because Arabs didn't migrate into those regions. They just conquered it. And later installed some rulers, That's all. But Arabs never moved into the mountains.

Modern Kurdish DNA doesn't have much of Arab DNA. Modern day Kurdish DNA is IDENTICAL to the Copper Age Aryan DNA from Zagros. If you compare modern Kurdish DNA with ancient DNA of Copper Age Medes you will find out that Kurdish DNA is very pure and didn't change for the last 3000 years


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You lack geographical reasoning. And that's a problem. I don't mean that as an insult. Zagros mountains occur in the farthest reaches of Northern Iraq, near southeastern Turkey and northwest Iran. They are a highland and they are not in Mesopotamia, or "the land between two rivers", which are made up of flat plains. That's just plain geological fact. Look at a darn map for your own good before making falsities.
Shengal is at the heart of the Mesopotamia. Shengal IS between the 2 rivers. It is in between.

And Shengal is part of the Zagros Mountain Range, Shengal is part of the Zagros.

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For the love of God, look at how close Jordanians/Syrians and Iranians/Turks cluster in the second pic? Do you realize that these are neighbouring ethnic groups, just like Malaysians, Singaporeans and Indonesians. They're not races. Again, I don't see how a neolithic era is so relevant in today's genealogy of our people.
The POINT is that Kurds are still very close to the ancient Iranian People.

But the modern Semites from the Levant are very shifted from the ancient Levant people toward the Iranian people.

Aryans dominated the Middle East for thousands of years. Afro-Asiatic Semitic Syrians and the Levant people are very mixed people. Originally they were like the Levant Farmers. But later on they mixed with the Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers, like the Sumerians.  It were those Aryan people who brought civilization into the Levant and Mesopotamia.


The thing is that Kurds are still on the same place as their ancestors, while Northern Semitic people are mixed and shifted away from the ancient Levant people, their original ancestors, because of the people like the Sumerians, Mitanni, Kassites, Medes, Kurds, Persians etc..

We were talking about the ancient Levant farmers. They belonged to a very different race than the Iranian Plateau Neolithic farmers.


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*Cough* Where is the Assyrian marker, btw?
here is where the Kurds cluster. the Kurds cluster between the Iranians/Persians and Adygeians (Northern Caucasians)

(https://s10.postimg.org/fgqioxng9/kurds.jpg)

Assyrians cluster between the Armenians and Jews/modern Levant people.


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Iranians are mixed too. They are more Arab or Semitic than Kurds, even more so than us, because of Islam conquest. Have you seen how much some Iranians look very Saudi Arabian, especially those living in the gulf? Ancient Iranian people, before Islamicization, looked more "Caucasian" and akin to Armenians or those in the Caucasus.
I don't know bout what kind of Iranians you are talking about. In Iran live millions of Arabs.

But when we look at the Persians (Farsi) from the Caspian Sea area, they are not very mixed with the Arabs.


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You are from the Iranian Plateau (NOT Mesopotamia), in the mountains, and you surely closely bordered our people. We were the ones in the plains of Mesopotamia. That's where we originated from. Yes, yes, maybe we came from a different homeland in the neolithic times, but that doesn't mean a thing. Our written history and culture began in Mesopotamia at the end of the day. Can you please acknowledge this?
Shengal is the HEART of the Northern Mesopotamia. It is between the 2 rivers.

And Shengal is part of the Zagros Mountain Range and therefore the Iranian Plateau.



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P.S. Kurds did come from Medes. Couldn't care less either way. But you guys have a bit of Assyrian in you, just the same way we have Iranian in us. It goes both way. And let's embrace it.
I have never denied that Kurds have some Assyrian, mostly Chaldean DNA in them.

I think Kurds have for about 10% Semitic (mostly Chaldean) DNA in them. But it is much LESS than that the modern Assyrians and in particular Chaldeans have Iranian DNA in them.

I believe that the modern day Assyrians have for about 25% of the ancient Copper Age Iranian/Aryan (Median, Persian, Kurdish) DNA in them..

Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on July 22, 2017, 09:12:22 PM
Because Arabs didn't migrate into those regions. They just conquered it. And later installed some rulers, That's all. But Arabs never moved into the mountains.

Modern Kurdish DNA doesn't have much of Arab DNA. Modern day Kurdish DNA is IDENTICAL to the Copper Age Aryan DNA from Zagros. If you compare modern Kurdish DNA with ancient DNA of Copper Age Medes you will find out that Kurdish DNA is very pure and didn't change for the last 3000 years

Invade. Conquer. Migrate. They're all pretty much synonymous to each other in a degree. Some people got mixed with them. Some did NOT. There's a reason why some Spaniards and Sicilians have dark skin and curly hair, because of their Arab heritage. Does this mean every non-Arab is now mixed? Of course not.

Yazidis may be very pure because they maintained their indigenous religion. Muslim-practicing Kurds are not as pure as Yazidis. Again, I'm not saying they all have Arab admixture, but a few would. If they adopted Islam, what makes you so sure that they weren't raped by Islamic preachers? You do realize that Islam was spread by force and violence?

Why are you so hard-pressed about Kurds when you're a Yazidi? I understand that you're a Kurdish ethnicity, but you seem very defensive about Kurds, Iranians, etc. At least I admitted to you that Yazidis are a pure Iranian peoples. Muslim Iranian peoples certainly are not, due to Islam.

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Shengal is at the heart of the Mesopotamia. Shengal IS between the 2 rivers. It is in between.

And Shengal is part of the Zagros Mountain Range, Shengal is part of the Zagros.

Sinjar is part of Mesopotamia, but is NOT considered to be part of Zagros mountains (look this up). The Zagros mountains, which are to the north, bordering eastern Turkey and western Iran, are not in Mesopotamia - That was my point. You should've been specific earlier.

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But the modern Semites from the Levant are very shifted from the ancient Levant people toward the Iranian people.

And that's an issue because? We all have to start somewhere and end up elsewhere. Humans will always migrate. Above all, the distance between the Levant and Mesopotamia isn't so great. You would've had a compelling argument if, say, Levantines originated in Libya or Mongolia. Be satisfied that we were always in the Middle East.

What matters is that we started our rich culture and heritage in Mesopotamia. Even if we had mice DNA in us, we became a successful empire and left a legacy there. Go back a few thousand years, even your people would come from foreign lands.

What is your point here?

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Aryans dominated the Middle East for thousands of years. Afro-Asiatic Semitic Syrians and the Levant people are very mixed people. Originally they were like the Levant Farmers. But later on they mixed with the Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers, like the Sumerians.  It were those Aryan people who brought civilization into the Levant and Mesopotamia.

Such ignorance. Amazed you still use "Afro-Asiatic" to determine a person's ethnic background. Btw, you are also Asiatic - Western Asian, to be precise. People would care less about your language family. You are as Asian as Jordanians, Syrians and Jews.

There is no evidence that Sumerians were Iranians. Let go of this codswallop already. Again, they could have been the ancestors of both Akkadians and Iranians. We just don't know. Quit being so biased.

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The thing is that Kurds are still on the same place as their ancestors, while Northern Semitic people are mixed and shifted away from the ancient Levant people, their original ancestors, because of the people like the Sumerians, Mitanni, Kassites, Medes, Kurds, Persians etc..

1. There is no clear evidence that Assyrians came from the ancient Levant people. Speaking a Semitic language doesn't mean anything.
2. Really bold and biased of you to put Sumerians with actual Iranian peoples.
3. Even if we did come from the Levant, so what? It was 9000 years ago. We can all be mixed by now. Including you.

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We were talking about the ancient Levant farmers. They belonged to a very different race than the Iranian Plateau Neolithic farmers.

Yeah, right. So the Japanese and Chinese are also two very different races? Sorry, but they're just two distinct ethnic groups of the same Mediterranid race - Specifically, you are of the Irano-Afghan race, which is part of the Eastern Mediterranean race. But of course, you wouldn't being say that, as it goes against your Aryan agenda. God forbid you group us with your people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irano-Afghan_race (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irano-Afghan_race)

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here is where the Kurds cluster. the Kurds cluster between the Iranians/Persians and Adygeians (Northern Caucasians)

(https://s10.postimg.org/fgqioxng9/kurds.jpg)

Assyrians cluster between the Armenians and Jews/modern Levant people.

Yeah, because the map totally shows where Assyrians are. Your last sentence is a conjecture at best and I will take it as anecdote until you find a diagram/source that confirms what you're saying.

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But when we look at the Persians (Farsi) from the Caspian Sea area, they are not very mixed with the Arabs.

Finally, you're getting it. Yes, they're more pure. Those bordering the Gulf would have Arab ancestry. This is a fact.

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And Shengal is part of the Zagros Mountain Range and therefore the Iranian Plateau.

Shengal is not part of the Zagros mountain range. It's an isolate mountain in the middle of the plains. It's close to the Zagros, but NOT part of them. Compare the two:

(http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/menewlndcn.gif)
(http://a.abcnews.com/images/International/abc_IRAQ_map_kb_140807_4x3_992.jpg)

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I have never denied that Kurds have some Assyrian, mostly Chaldean DNA in them.

Chaldeans are not a disparate ethnic group. They are an Assyrian tribe. So there is no such thing as "Chaldean DNA". You can say Kurds have mixed with a few Catholic Assyrians in Northern Iraq.

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I think Kurds have for about 10% Semitic (mostly Chaldean) DNA in them. But it is much LESS than that the modern Assyrians and in particular Chaldeans have Iranian DNA in them.

*Catholic Assyrian
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on July 23, 2017, 07:10:46 AM
Yazidis may be very pure because they maintained their indigenous religion. Muslim-practicing Kurds are not as pure as Yazidis. Again, I'm not saying they all have Arab admixture, but a few would. If they adopted Islam, what makes you so sure that they weren't raped by Islamic preachers? You do realize that Islam was spread by force and violence?

Yazidi don't exist.

In Kurdish (Kurmanji) those people are called Ezdi or Ezidi. My people call themselves 'Ezdi'.

'Em Ezdine' = We are EZDI !! This is how we pronounce it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy1HgHHKbWY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy1HgHHKbWY)


Stolen Kurdish women who were raped by Muslims, their bastard children aren't Kurds and don't speak Kurdish. Daddies of the children of those raped Kurdish women were not Kurdish and therefore those children were/are not Kurdish. Those stolen women were assimilated into Turanic Mongloid and Afro Asiatic races. Turks and Arabs are a product of mass raped people. That's why Turkish and Arab races are mongrel 'BASTARD' races. That's why Turks and Arbas act like bastards.


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Sinjar is part of Mesopotamia, but is NOT considered to be part of Zagros mountains (look this up). The Zagros mountains, which are to the north, bordering eastern Turkey and western Iran, are not in Mesopotamia - That was my point. You should've been specific earlier.

... Shengal is not part of the Zagros mountain range. It's an isolate mountain in the middle of the plains. It's close to the Zagros, but NOT part of them. Compare the two:

Shengal is the HEART of the Mesopotamia.

Mesopotamia = Shengal
Shengal = Mesopotamia

And Shengal is part of Zagros and therefore part of the Iranian Plateau. It is a SCIENTIFIC fact!! Sinjar is part of the Zagros Fold - Thrust Belt. Here are the ACADEMIC articles about it:


Facies Changes Between Kolosh and Sinjar Formations Along Zagros Fold–Thrust Belt in Iraqi Kurdistan Region

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285226964_Facies_Changes_Between_Kolosh_and_Sinjar_Formations_Along_Zagros_Fold-Thrust_Belt_in_Iraqi_Kurdistan_Region (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285226964_Facies_Changes_Between_Kolosh_and_Sinjar_Formations_Along_Zagros_Fold-Thrust_Belt_in_Iraqi_Kurdistan_Region)


Structure of the Zagros fold and thrust belt in the Kurdistan Region, northern Iraq

http://geol.uniovi.es/TDG/Volumen29/TG29-39.PDF (http://geol.uniovi.es/TDG/Volumen29/TG29-39.PDF)


You can't change geology, how the Earth has been build, the structure of our planet.


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You are as Asian as Jordanians, Syrians and Jews.

I'm 100% (northwest) Asian.

Asia or being an Asian is not a race, but it is a geography.

Like being an European doesn't mean you belong to the same race. There are NATIVE Europeans like Saami, Laplanders who are Finno-Ugric who are Mongoloid people. Those Mongoloid Saami people are very different to the very native Basque people of Iberia.

geography is not a race. Kurds or even the Median Empire are/was by location Asian, but by race WEST Iranid (Aryan).


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There is no evidence that Sumerians were Iranians.

According to the Sumerians they came from the mountains. 1 of their 7 Gods (compared to the Ezdi  7 angels) Ninhursag was even a mother goddess of the mountains.

Read the Epic of Gilgamesh or an epic about 7 mountains to Arrata, or those epics are concetrated around ZUBI (Zagros) Mountains. Sumerian called their original land KUR-gal. Kur = montains


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Finally, you're getting it. Yes, they're more pure. Those bordering the Gulf would have Arab ancestry. This is a fact.
What is your point? In Iran live many different races/people. Iran is a MULTI-ethnic country.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/Ethnicities_and_religions_in_Iran.png)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnicities_in_Iran (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnicities_in_Iran)

MORE than 20% of people in Iran are Turks. This is more than 16 million people (of total population of 81 million)

There are 3% of Arabs in Iran who live mostly in Khuzestan province. = 2.5 million (81 x 0.03). 2.5 million Arabs live in Iran

Etc, etc.

But we were talking about the Iranid (ARYAN) Persian (Farsi) people. And Iranid Farsi people close to the Caspian Sea are not very much mixed with Arabs, those Farsi are even more mixed with the Turks than Arabs.

With other words, ethnic Persians have much, much more Mongoloid blood in them than Arabic/Semitic blood...


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Chaldeans are not a disparate ethnic group. They are an Assyrian tribe. So there is no such thing as "Chaldean DNA". You can say Kurds have mixed with a few Catholic Assyrians in Northern Iraq.
*Catholic Assyrian
At the times of the Medes, there was no such thing as Christianity. At the time of the Medes, Chaldeans, Babylonians were NOT Christians and definitely not Catholic.

Chaldeans PRE-date Christianity....


Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on August 03, 2017, 03:57:42 AM
Yazidi don't exist.

In Kurdish (Kurmanji) those people are called Ezdi or Ezidi. My people call themselves 'Ezdi'.

'Em Ezdine' = We are EZDI !! This is how we pronounce it.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy1HgHHKbWY[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy1HgHHKbWY[/url])

Now you deny Yazidis as a race? You're one odd "Yazidi".

Can you care to tell me why do Yazidis distance themselves from Kurds and claim to be a disparate ethnic group? Btw, you're one of the few Yazidis (actually only) to be hostile to Assyrians, Jews and non-Kurds in general. Which is weird. Because those who made you suffer were your Sunni Islamic Kurds and Arabs. No offense, but that's why I suspected you to be a Kurd in disguise. By Kurd, I mean a Sunni Muslim Kurd.

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Stolen Kurdish women who were raped by Muslims, their bastard children aren't Kurds and don't speak Kurdish. Daddies of the children of those raped Kurdish women were not Kurdish and therefore those children were/are not Kurdish. Those stolen women were assimilated into Turanic Mongloid and Afro Asiatic races. Turks and Arabs are a product of mass raped people. That's why Turkish and Arab races are mongrel 'BASTARD' races. That's why Turks and Arbas act like bastards.

That's your biased, prejudiced emotions talking. I'm sorry bub, but there are bastard children who claim to have a Kurdish identity. A decent amount of Kurds have Arab in them. More so than us. Let's not get hostile or insecure about it. Btw, you're a Yazidi. Only you guys are the pure Iranian race. So why are you hard-pressed about your fellow Sunni Muslim Kurds?

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Shengal is the HEART of the Mesopotamia.

Mesopotamia = Shengal
Shengal = Mesopotamia

And Shengal is part of Zagros and therefore part of the Iranian Plateau. It is a SCIENTIFIC fact!! Sinjar is part of the Zagros Fold - Thrust Belt. Here are the ACADEMIC articles about it

Facies Changes Between Kolosh and Sinjar Formations Along Zagros Fold–Thrust Belt in Iraqi Kurdistan Region

[url]https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285226964_Facies_Changes_Between_Kolosh_and_Sinjar_Formations_Along_Zagros_Fold-Thrust_Belt_in_Iraqi_Kurdistan_Region[/url] ([url]https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285226964_Facies_Changes_Between_Kolosh_and_Sinjar_Formations_Along_Zagros_Fold-Thrust_Belt_in_Iraqi_Kurdistan_Region[/url])

Structure of the Zagros fold and thrust belt in the Kurdistan Region, northern Iraq

[url]http://geol.uniovi.es/TDG/Volumen29/TG29-39.PDF[/url] ([url]http://geol.uniovi.es/TDG/Volumen29/TG29-39.PDF[/url])


You can't change geology, how the Earth has been build, the structure of our planet.


Shengal is in Mesopotamia alright, but NOT in the heart of it. Lmao. That would be Baghdad or Mosul. If anything, Shengal is on the "neck" of Mesopotamia.

Read your source properly. It clearly says "Sinjar Formations Along Zagros Fold". The keyword here is "along", meaning it sits on the footsteps of the Zagros. Doesn't mean it's part of the Zagros. And who cares. How does that affect your ethnic identity?

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Asia or being an Asian is not a race, but it is a geography.

Like being an European doesn't mean you belong to the same race. There are NATIVE Europeans like Saami, Laplanders who are Finno-Ugric who are Mongoloid people. Those Mongoloid Saami people are very different to the very native Basque people of Iberia.

geography is not a race. Kurds or even the Median Empire are/was by location Asian, but by race WEST Iranid (Aryan).

"Geography is not a race" - Exactly, but then you're eager to claim language families such as "Afro-Asiatic" and "Semitic" as being races. It's amazing.

Let go of these obsolete racial terms already. And now, according to this article, Assyrians, Armenians, Levantines and Iranians are of an Armenoid race:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenoid_race (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenoid_race)

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According to the Sumerians they came from the mountains. 1 of their 7 Gods (compared to the Ezdi  7 angels) Ninhursag was even a mother goddess of the mountains.

Read the Epic of Gilgamesh or an epic about 7 mountains to Arrata, or those epics are concetrated around ZUBI (Zagros) Mountains. Sumerian called their original land KUR-gal. Kur = montains

Yes, and? Assyrians lived around those areas too, and would have been in the mountains. Who said that the mountains in northwest Asia only belonged to Iranian peoples? Maybe we shared them. Ever think of that?

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What is your point? In Iran live many different races/people. Iran is a MULTI-ethnic country.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/Ethnicities_and_religions_in_Iran.png)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnicities_in_Iran (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnicities_in_Iran)

MORE than 20% of people in Iran are Turks. This is more than 16 million people (of total population of 81 million)

There are 3% of Arabs in Iran who live mostly in Khuzestan province. = 2.5 million (81 x 0.03). 2.5 million Arabs live in Iran

Etc, etc.

Yep. Hence the fact that a few Iranians would be mixed, because you do acknowledge that they're a mixed country.

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With other words, ethnic Persians have much, much more Mongoloid blood in them than Arabic/Semitic blood...

Not going to disagree with that as I knew a few Persians that have epicanthic folds or "Asian eyes". This isn't surprising - They're more closer to eastern Asia than we are. 

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At the times of the Medes, there was no such thing as Christianity. At the time of the Medes, Chaldeans, Babylonians were NOT Christians and definitely not Catholic. Chaldeans PRE-date Christianity....

Oh lord, looks like you have no idea who the modern day "Chaldeans" are. They are NOT descendants of ancient Chaldeans from Chaldea. Modern day Chaldeans are Assyrians who adopted the Catholic faith. They're descendants of Akkadians and ancient Assyrians, just like we are. They became Catholics centuries ago and adopted a false name for their people - "Chaldean".

True Chaldeans living today would probably be the Sabeans or Mandeans.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on August 03, 2017, 07:59:49 AM
Now you deny Yazidis as a race? You're one odd "Yazidi".
There is no such thing as Ezdi race. Ezdi people are part of the greater (Aryan) NorthWest Iranian Kurdic race.

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Can you care to tell me why do Yazidis distance themselves from Kurds and claim to be a disparate ethnic group? Btw, you're one of the few Yazidis (actually only) to be hostile to Assyrians, Jews and non-Kurds in general. Which is weird. Because those who made you suffer were your Sunni Islamic Kurds and Arabs. No offense, but that's why I suspected you to be a Kurd in disguise. By Kurd, I mean a Sunni Muslim Kurd.
I'm an Ezdi Kurds because both of my parents are pure Ezdi Kurds. I've nothing to do with Islam, neither Sunni nor Shia. I was born as an Ezdi and I was baptized by an Ezdi priest from the very beginning right after my birth. I'm a son of the Ezdi people and one of the chosen people of Tause Melek.

I'm hostile against those who are hostile against my race.

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That's your biased, prejudiced emotions talking. I'm sorry bub, but there are bastard children who claim to have a Kurdish identity. A decent amount of Kurds have Arab in them. More so than us. Let's not get hostile or insecure about it. Btw, you're a Yazidi. Only you guys are the pure Iranian race. So why are you hard-pressed about your fellow Sunni Muslim Kurds?
There are 50 million Kurds. There are millions of (non-Ezdi) Kurds who live in the mountains far away from the border areas who are as pure as I am. There are only max 2 million Ezdi Kurds in the world, while there are 50 million people who belong to an Aryan (Kurdic) race.

Most Kurds (in Northern, Western, Southern and Eastern Kurdistan) are as pure as I am.

I don't know any bastard child from 'Kurdish' mother and non-Kurdish father who call themselve 'Kurd'. I never met such people.

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Shengal is in Mesopotamia alright, but NOT in the heart of it. Lmao. That would be Baghdad or Mosul. If anything, Shengal is on the "neck" of Mesopotamia.
Shengal is a border area between Rojava and Bashur. Shengal is actually the heart of Mesopotamia. Mesopotamia is not only in 'Iraq', but also in NorthWestern Syria (Rojava) and SouthEastern Turkey (Bakur). Rojava and big parts of Northern Kurdistan are also Northern Mesopotamia.

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"Geography is not a race" - Exactly, but then you're eager to claim language families such as "Afro-Asiatic" and "Semitic" as being races. It's amazing.

Let go of these obsolete racial terms already. And now, according to this article, Assyrians, Armenians, Levantines and Iranians are of an Armenoid race:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenoid_race (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenoid_race)
Yes, and? Assyrians lived around those areas too, and would have been in the mountains. Who said that the mountains in northwest Asia only belonged to Iranian peoples? Maybe we shared them. Ever think of that?
Yep. Hence the fact that a few Iranians would be mixed, because you do acknowledge that they're a mixed country.
Semitic people are not native to the Mesopotamia. Semitic language was born in the Levant/Eastern Africa. Most Semitic people live in a desert (Arabia). Semitic people are desert people and not mountain people.

Kurds and Persian are Aryan people and belong to an Aryan race. Our DNA is different from the DNA of our Southern neighbours. We are native to the Iranian Plateau.


Semitic race is native to the deserts and not mountains....


Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: nejepnerast on August 03, 2017, 09:17:29 PM
Kurds are not animals. Let animals mix with each other.

My people are the chosen people of Meleke Taus. And as long they don't mix with other they stay to be the children of Meleke Taus.
Animals are much better than humans in my view .
Meleke taus is a bloody bird for heaven's sake , nice yes ,smart no , beautiful yes and that is what fooled your ancestors . There are those in india that who believe that the greatest angel is in a monkey , in a rat , in a cow , tell me how are you any different ? Nothing special about yazidi faith , same garbage stories stories like the rest of the religions .
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on August 03, 2017, 11:46:30 PM
There is no such thing as Ezdi race. Ezdi people are part of the greater (Aryan) NorthWest Iranian Kurdic race.
My mistake, I meant "Yazidi ethnicity". I know that they aren't a race.

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I'm an Ezdi Kurds because both of my parents are pure Ezdi Kurds. I've nothing to do with Islam, neither Sunni nor Shia. I was born as an Ezdi and I was baptized by an Ezdi priest from the very beginning right after my birth. I'm a son of the Ezdi people and one of the chosen people of Tause Melek.
I did say that Yazidis are pure because they have nothing to do with Islam and its raping conquest. Sunni Kurds on the other hand....Well, I won't be reiterating that.

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I'm hostile against those who are hostile against my race.
We are "hostile" in retaliation to Sunni Muslim Kurds who are aggressive towards us (the some of them). Why are you, a Yazidi, interfering and playing a victim? We have nothing against Yazidis Kurds. Can you learn that at least?

And yet again, in another thread of Proud Arab, you're comparing us to "n!ggers" and calling us mixed. Nothing wrong with being mixed with blacks, but you're expressing your opinion in a condescending matter, and to feel "superior". Didn't I told you that the world will see you no different from other Middle Easterners, and how we're all pretty much terrorist-looking, Arab "sand******s"? Be aware of that.

I'm sorry, but I think you're a Kurd of Sunni background. That same Kurd who was brought up to hate to Assyrians. You're using "Yazidi" as a masquerade, so we can take the focus of Kurdish Muslims and rather, hate on innocent Pagan Yazidis instead, huh? Nice ploy.

If you want to be "more" accurate, your "race" is mentioned to be part of the Irano-Afghan race and Armenoid races (which *cough cough* involve us and Arabs). And I linked you these articles. But of course, these articles won't fit your "Aryan" agenda.

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Most Kurds (in Northern, Western, Southern and Eastern Kurdistan) are as pure as I am.
Yazidis are pure. But most Kurds would have a little bit of Arab - Some more or less than others. Even we do. And there's nothing wrong with that. Why do you care about Muslim Kurds so much? I am flabbergasted.

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I don't know any bastard child from 'Kurdish' mother and non-Kurdish father who call themselve 'Kurd'. I never met such people.
It's not everyday people will come out and yell out what their ethnic makeup is. And I'm not saying their parent is Arab. I'm talking about generations ago. Their great-great-great x10 grandparents. Back 500-1000 years when Islam was spreading violently. That's when they would have Arab heritage. Again, who cares. You're a Yazidi, right? You're very pure. Who cares about Sunni Kurds?

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Shengal is a border area between Rojava and Bashur. Shengal is actually the heart of Mesopotamia. Mesopotamia is not only in 'Iraq', but also in NorthWestern Syria (Rojava) and SouthEastern Turkey (Bakur). Rojava and big parts of Northern Kurdistan are also Northern Mesopotamia.
I know that Mesopotamia extends to Syria and Turkey, but I just wouldn't say Shengal is in the "heart of Mesopotamia. You know that's not right. Try Mosul or Kurdistan, then yeah, they can be in the heart.

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Semitic people are not native to the Mesopotamia. Semitic language was born in the Levant/Eastern Africa. Most Semitic people live in a desert (Arabia). Semitic people are desert people and not mountain people.
Arabs are from Arabia, dude. Stop conflating languages with races of people. I can also say that Icelandic people are not native to Iceland, because IE evolved in central Asia/Eastern Europe. Even if we came from Mars, we left our legacy in Mesopotamia. And FYI, most of Mesopotamia is desert. It gets lusher towards the north in Kurdistan. We could have easily migrated out from the Levant to Iraq (as per your theory) and start a civilization there. What's your problem?

Btw, people can always adopt languages. Jamaicans now speak an English Creole. Are they now Indo-Europeans? I don't think so. Our ancient tongue that predated Akkadian may not have been Semitic to start with. So you wouldn't know.

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Kurds and Persian are Aryan people and belong to an Aryan race. Our DNA is different from the DNA of our Southern neighbours. We are native to the Iranian Plateau.
Yes, I get that already. Different ethnic groups have different DNA. So what?

Funny, there are no Wikipedia articles talking about an "Aryan race". Well, there is an article on "Aryan", and they only speak of it as a culture in South Asia or an identity by the Nazis. It's a loose, unclear term. Like I said, you only use it so you can feel as superior as Nazi Germans. You also use "Semitic" so much because, well, Nazi Germany was slaughtering Jews (who just happened to be Semitic speakers).

You are just mimicking them. You don't use Armenoid, Irano-Afghan (which are mostly used to identify YOUR race), but only Aryan - In which there is no proof of. That just figures.

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Semitic race is native to the deserts and not mountains....
Yep. Deserts of Mesopotamia in southern Iraq (*cough* Sumer). But then you'll get all flustered when I say we had connections to Sumerians, who actually did come from a hot desert and were neighboring our homeland.

Why do you hate the fact that we have connections to Mesopotamia? What have we done to you? That's why I think you're a Sunni Kurd in disguise. Yazidis are generally friendly towards us and have no problems. You seem to hate Assyrians and have a superiority complex (or inferiority even) when it comes to us. What's the deal?

P.S. Who are the ancient Akkadians/Assyrians? Are they our ancestors to you or not?
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on August 04, 2017, 05:51:21 AM
Animals are much better than humans in my view .
Meleke taus is a bloody bird for heaven's sake , nice yes ,smart no , beautiful yes and that is what fooled your ancestors . There are those in india that who believe that the greatest angel is in a monkey , in a rat , in a cow , tell me how are you any different ? Nothing special about yazidi faith , same garbage stories stories like the rest of the religions .
You fail to understand with your retard Islamic brains that we don't believe in 'birds'. Meleke Taus was an angel and not a bird. We compare him to a bird, since the ancient Sumerian times, because according to us angels came down from heaven. Angels were not born on this planet. Ancient Sumerians marked angels with WINGS. To show that they came down from heaven. Like the Sumerians, Ezdi also believe in 7 angels

Ezdi are just poetic people. Peacock is just our METHAPHOR for Melek Taus. We never say that Melek Taus was a bird, LMAO! According to Ezdi Peacock is the most proud and beautiful of all birds. That's why we use peacock as a poetic METHAPHOR for Tause Melek.


Birdly ancient Sumerian Angels with wings:

(https://s2.postimg.org/gau23xm95/7e7296c09d74daa30012681789e33ab5.jpg)


Birdly Zoroaster with WINGS:

(https://s2.postimg.org/k0bhihxxl/7379a7c689c343b9aec1f73c5657866a.jpg)
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on August 04, 2017, 06:25:21 AM
Didn't I told you that the world will see you no different from other Middle Easterners, and how we're all pretty much terrorist-looking, Arab "sand******s"? Be aware of that.
I don't care about what other think. The facts is that Aryans and Semites are different people. This is a FACT!!

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If you want to be "more" accurate, your "race" is mentioned to be part of the Irano-Afghan race and Armenoid races (which *cough cough* involve us and Arabs). And I linked you these articles. But of course, these articles won't fit your "Aryan" agenda.
Arabs/Bedouin belong to an ARABID (Yemenid) race.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabid_race


Assyrians belong to an Semitic Assyrid race. Assyrid = This Armenoid-Araboid hybrid type is alternatively known as the Assyrid


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But most Kurds would have a little bit of Arab - Some more or less than others. Even we do. And there's nothing wrong with that. Why do you care about Muslim Kurds so much? I am flabbergasted.
It's not everyday people will come out and yell out what their ethnic makeup is. And I'm not saying their parent is Arab. I'm talking about generations ago. Their great-great-great x10 grandparents. Back 500-1000 years when Islam was spreading violently. That's when they would have Arab heritage. Again, who cares. You're a Yazidi, right? You're very pure. Who cares about Sunni Kurds?
Once again, Arabs were not powerful for thousands of years, just for a few hundred years before Seljuks (Turco-Mongoloid people) defeated them. Kurdistan is in the MOUNTAINS, that makes for other people mixing with Kurds very difficult.

Maybe in some areas in Southern Kurdistan, some Kurds have somehow a prehisotric Arabic grandmother, but Kurds is Northern Kurdistan, Wan, Kars or Kurds in Eastern Kuridstan like Mehabad or Kermanshah have not much to do with the Semitic Arabs.

You FAIL to understand that most Kurds live outside 'Iraq'.

As an Ezdi Kurd, I'm also PKK. PKK is not an Ezdi organisation, but a PAN-Kurdish organisation. Ezdi Kurds are the purest Kurds, but that doesn't make other Kurds 'less' Kurds. Once ALL Kurds were Ezdi Kurds.


Kurds NEED unity and not division.


You act like a true enemy of my people. You are dividing my people. Kurds are 1 people, 1 race, 1 root, 1 language

If you think that Ezdi and Assyrians are going to live together, you are wrong big time. Ezdi ARE Kurds and the future of Ezdi is the same as the future of ALL Kurds.


There are many different types of Kurds, like Ezdi Kurds, Zazaki Kurds etc. And all types of Kurds share the same future together.

We don't want to do anything with other races.


Our Aryan race FIRST!

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Funny, there are no Wikipedia articles talking about an "Aryan race". Well, there is an article on "Aryan", and they only speak of it as a culture in South Asia or an identity by the Nazis. It's a loose, unclear term. Like I said, you only use it so you can feel as superior as Nazi Germans. You also use "Semitic" so much because, well, Nazi Germany was slaughtering Jews (who just happened to be Semitic speakers).
The only one true Aryans were the ancient Medes and Persians. Kurds are MEDES, that's why Kurds are ARYANS.

Medes = Aryans
Kurds = Medes
Kurds = Aryans

I use the world Aryan from a HISTORIC few of point to show that I'm a direct descendant of the Aryan Medes, while other people who are not like me are NOT.

I love history. I use the world Aryan to make a link between Kurds and Persians. I am sure that Kurds and Persians will have the same future destiny. Kurds and Persians TOGETHER can become a global superpower.

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Deserts of Mesopotamia in southern Iraq (*cough* Sumer). But then you'll get all flustered when I say we had connections to Sumerians, who actually did come from a hot desert and were neighboring our homeland.
There is a difference between SOUTHERN and NORTHERN Mesopotamia.

Original Sumerians came down from the Mountains and NORTHERN Mesopotamia. Sumerians spread all over the Middle East and South Asia


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Why do you hate the fact that we have connections to Mesopotamia? What have we done to you? That's why I think you're a Sunni Kurd in disguise. Yazidis are generally friendly towards us and have no problems. You seem to hate Assyrians and have a superiority complex (or inferiority even) when it comes to us. What's the deal?

P.S. Who are the ancient Akkadians/Assyrians? Are they our ancestors to you or not?
Assyrians are mostly native to the SOUHTERN Mesopotamia!



Kurds are native to the NORHTERN Mesopotamia.


Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on August 04, 2017, 12:05:53 PM
Shengal is in Mesopotamia alright, but NOT in the heart of it. Lmao. That would be Baghdad or Mosul. If anything, Shengal is on the "neck" of Mesopotamia.
Shengal is the HEART of the Mesopotamia. Shengal is BETWEEN the 2 Kurdish born rivers from Kurdish mountains, Tigris and Euphrates. The origin of those mighty Kurdish rivers lie in the Kurdish mountains, mostly in Northern Kurdistan (Wan area)

Mosul is next to Tigris, Nineveh was build on the shores of Tigris. While Shengal is BETWEEN Tigris and Euphrates. Shengal is much more between the 2 Kurdish rivers than Nineveh.

Ezdixan (Shengal) and Rojava are the Northern parts and actually the BEST parts of the Mesopotamia

(https://s1.postimg.org/l78hj96jj/1426083076.png)
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on August 05, 2017, 05:01:34 AM
I don't care about what other think. The facts is that Aryans and Semites are different people. This is a FACT!!
As different as Chinese and Vietnamese. Both look the same and have similar cultures, but are ethnically distinct. I'm sorry that you look like "Semitic" people and have Jewish in your Gedmatch. Not sure why you're hostile about it, though.

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Arabs/Bedouin belong to an ARABID (Yemenid) race.

Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabid_race
Exactly. These racial constructs are mostly redundant. Arabs are put in both Arabid and Armenoid races, strangely.

As BS as your Aryan or Semitic races.

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Assyrians belong to an Semitic Assyrid race. Assyrid = This Armenoid-Araboid hybrid type is alternatively known as the Assyrid
Wrong. You're putting "Semitic" to fuel your Aryan vs Semitic agenda. The sources clearly say Assyrians, alongside you guys and Levantines, are part of the Armenoid race. Although in other articles, you're considered to be Irano-Afghans.

Again, it's BS. They're obsolete racial constructs. You just go by "Aryan" and "Semitic" because you're trying desperately to be like the Nazis. It's blatantly obvious, and pretty funny.

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Once again, Arabs were not powerful for thousands of years, just for a few hundred years before Seljuks (Turco-Mongoloid people) defeated them. Kurdistan is in the MOUNTAINS, that makes for other people mixing with Kurds very difficult.
Once again, Arabs reached Europe and interbred with the Spaniards. What makes you so sure that they couldn't reach Northern Iraq, which is in the heart of their homeland? Kurds didn't just hear about Islam. A few, if not many, obviously mixed with them. Again, why are you so bothered? You're a Yazidi. It's not about you. Christ.

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You act like a true enemy of my people. You are dividing my people. Kurds are 1 people, 1 race, 1 root, 1 language
Of course. Sunni Kurds (besides Muslim Arabs) are slaughtering you guys for being pagans, but we're your enemies. Makes perfect sense.

And who is dividing you? Yazidis did that themselves. Not OUR fault that they call themselves Yazidis.

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If you think that Ezdi and Assyrians are going to live together, you are wrong big time. Ezdi ARE Kurds and the future of Ezdi is the same as the future of ALL Kurds.
Spoken like a true hateful and bigoted Kurd. Last time I checked Sunni Kurds have been killing your people. You are a laughing stock. Man, just come out and say that you're a Sunni Kurd? Maybe then I'll understand your arguments.

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Our Aryan race FIRST!
The only one true Aryans were the ancient Medes and Persians. Kurds are MEDES, that's why Kurds are ARYANS.

Medes = Aryans
Kurds = Medes
Kurds = Aryans

I use the world Aryan from a HISTORIC few of point to show that I'm a direct descendant of the Aryan Medes, while other people who are not like me are NOT.
You say Aryan (which is pretty much a South Asian culture). I say Irano-Afghan race. At least the letter term is affiliated with a race.

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I love history. I use the world Aryan to make a link between Kurds and Persians. I am sure that Kurds and Persians will have the same future destiny. Kurds and Persians TOGETHER can become a global superpower.
Sorry, but the word "Aryan" has changed. Like I said, it means a lot of things. To me it means blonde and blue eyed people from Nordic countries. It has nothing to do with Middle Easterners. That's just me. Oh, and a lot of people. You're going to put a lot of effort to try to convince the world what Aryan means to them. They'll all link it to the Nazis and Nordic Europeans.

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There is a difference between SOUTHERN and NORTHERN Mesopotamia.

Original Sumerians came down from the Mountains and NORTHERN Mesopotamia. Sumerians spread all over the Middle East and South Asia

Assyrians are mostly native to the SOUHTERN Mesopotamia!
*Of course Sumerians came down from the north, because your people are native to the north. How convenient.
*No evidence that Sumerians came from the north anyway.
*Sumerians are not 100% Iranid nor Assyrid. You can say they're a mix of the two.
*Assyrians are native to northern Mesopotamia. I think everybody knows that.
*If Assyrians are native to the south, then who's to say that the Sumerians didn't mix with us?
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on August 05, 2017, 07:12:15 AM
As different as Chinese and Vietnamese. Both look the same and have similar cultures, but are ethnically distinct. I'm sorry that you look like "Semitic" people and have Jewish in your Gedmatch. Not sure why you're hostile about it, though.
Whatever. I'm an Aryan. Never was a Semite and never will be. I'm who I am.

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Although in other articles, you're considered to be Irano-Afghans.
Kurds, real ARYANS, are part of the Aryan Caspian race. Kurds have both Anatolian (Armenoide) DNA in them and Iranian Plateau (Iranid) DNA in them

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Once again, Arabs reached Europe and interbred with the Spaniards. What makes you so sure that they couldn't reach Northern Iraq, which is in the heart of their homeland? Kurds didn't just hear about Islam. A few, if not many, obviously mixed with them. Again, why are you so bothered?
Kurds are tribal people. Our ribes still exist. That mean that Kurdish tribes didn't mixed much with other races. If Kurds mixed with other races, Kurdish tribes would not exist anymore. I'm sure that in mountainous areas in Spain, like Northern Spain, not many Spaniards mixed with Arabs. Mostly only Southern Spaniards were affected by the Semitc Arabid DNA.

Ezdi Kurdish DNA is similar to the DNA of other non-Ezdi Kurds from all parts of Kurdistan. Ezdi Kurds separated from other Kurds after Islam, that is 1000 years ago. My DNA is still similar to non-Ezdi Kurds from Wan to Kermanshah!! And still after 1000 years all Kurds are the same. That means that Kurds are unmixed. And our DNA is still the same as that of the Medes who lived in the Copper Age.


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You say Aryan (which is pretty much a South Asian culture). I say Irano-Afghan race. At least the letter term is affiliated with a race.
South Asian are INDO-Aryans. They are mixed between native Indians and Aryans. Kurds are simply Iranic or Aryan people.
The Medes were considered and even consider themselves as Aryans. And Medes were already a mixture between Anatolian (Armenoid) and Iranian Plateau (Iranid) people.

Irano-Afghan race = ancient Anatolian farmers + ancient Iranian Plateau farmers. People in South Central Asia and India have a lot ancient Anatolian farmer + ancient Iranian Plateau farmer DNA in them.


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Sorry, but the word "Aryan" has changed. Like I said, it means a lot of things. To me it means blonde and blue eyed people from Nordic countries. It has nothing to do with Middle Easterners. That's just me. Oh, and a lot of people. You're going to put a lot of effort to try to convince the world what Aryan means to them. They'll all link it to the Nazis and Nordic Europeans.
The word Aryan never changed. Only some retard, ignored and uneducated people don't know anymore what it means. People don't know their roots. It is not my problem.
The Medes and Persians were still Aryans, no matter people like it or not.

I'm a TRUE Aryan. And I know that I'm a true Aryan. Because I know my roots. I don't care what people think about it, it's not my problem.

My race is ARYAN
My religion is ARYAN
My language is ARYAN
My culture is ARYAN
My homeland is ARYAN

I AM 100% allround full Aryan. You like it or not!

As long as I do exist I will forever use the word Aryan to explain my ethnicity. And people like you will NEVER stop using me the word ARYAN.

Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan


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*Of course Sumerians came down from the north, because your people are native to the north. How convenient.
*No evidence that Sumerians came from the north anyway.
*Sumerians are not 100% Iranid nor Assyrid. You can say they're a mix of the two.
*Assyrians are native to northern Mesopotamia. I think everybody knows that.
*If Assyrians are native to the south, then who's to say that the Sumerians didn't mix with us?
* Sumerian came from the MOUNTAINS !!!
* Sumerians have their mountain GODS and their legends are taking place in the mountains.
* Original Sumerians who came from the mountains and migrated into the Levant, southern Mesopotamia, Arabia, India were native to the Iranian Plateau
* Ancestors of the Assyrians, Akkadians & Babylonians lived in Southern Mesopotamia. Babylon = southern Mesopotamia.
* Of course Assyrians have some Sumerian DNA in them. I never denied it. Like Levant people, Indians and Arabas have some Sumerian DNA in them. But that doesn't make you people Sumerians. You have much more other DNA in you. And your original roots are NOT Sumerian.



I do enjoy however how you don't like me to call myself an Aryan. Why don't you like the word 'ARYAN', what do you have against this word?

As I know my roots, I know who my ancestors were. And all my ancestors were ARYANS. Therefore I'm an ARYAN.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on August 07, 2017, 11:02:59 PM
Whatever. I'm an Aryan. Never was a Semite and never will be. I'm who I am.

In your point of view. You are still as Western Asian as a "Semite". Also, you belong to their race in other classifications (Armenoid, Mediterranid & even the loose term of "Middle Eastern"). Your point of view doesn't mean it's the sole truth.

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Ezdi Kurdish DNA is similar to the DNA of other non-Ezdi Kurds from all parts of Kurdistan. Ezdi Kurds separated from other Kurds after Islam, that is 1000 years ago. My DNA is still similar to non-Ezdi Kurds from Wan to Kermanshah!! And still after 1000 years all Kurds are the same. That means that Kurds are unmixed. And our DNA is still the same as that of the Medes who lived in the Copper Age.

Similar, but not identical. If you want your DNA to be exactly like Sunni Kurds, then okay, enjoy having Arab in you.

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South Asian are INDO-Aryans. They are mixed between native Indians and Aryans. Kurds are simply Iranic or Aryan people.
The Medes were considered and even consider themselves as Aryans. And Medes were already a mixture between Anatolian (Armenoid) and Iranian Plateau (Iranid) people.

They are Iranid people. Leave Aryan out. You're not a white supremacist and you look funny doing this. Just stick to sourced and genuine racial terms like Irano-Afghan or Armenoid.

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The word Aryan never changed. Only some retard, ignored and uneducated people don't know anymore what it means. People don't know their roots. It is not my problem.
The Medes and Persians were still Aryans, no matter people like it or not.

Your inferiority complex people know pretty well know that Aryan means "blue eyed, blonde and white". Look at how much your Iranian brothers and sister yearn to be white and blonde, by only choosing blondes to represent the Aryan race. They call themselves Aryan because they think they're related to Germans just because SOME of their people have blonde hair. Let these videos speak for themselves. They're pathetically hilarious:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwEkdjX2L-g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwEkdjX2L-g)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0TQ1gj8GQo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0TQ1gj8GQo)

I love this one. This uploader sees through your "Aryan" BS and shows us that Iranid people are mostly dark and average looking:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61gAWtr5eF8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61gAWtr5eF8)

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I'm a TRUE Aryan. And I know that I'm a true Aryan. Because I know my roots. I don't care what people think about it, it's not my problem.

My race is ARYAN
My religion is ARYAN
My language is ARYAN
My culture is ARYAN
My homeland is ARYAN

I AM 100% allround full Aryan. You like it or not!

As long as I do exist I will forever use the word Aryan to explain my ethnicity. And people like you will NEVER stop using me the word ARYAN.

Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan

Poor you. Must be like your superior Germanic masters in order to have confidence and pride in yourself. You must conform to their titles. Just pathetic.

Btw, according to the above videos, made by YOUR Iranians folks, you are not Aryan if you don't have blonde features. Again, you are NOT Aryan. You are NOT a 190cm, blonde haired, slim white man.

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* Sumerian came from the MOUNTAINS !!!
* Sumerians have their mountain GODS and their legends are taking place in the mountains.
* Original Sumerians who came from the mountains and migrated into the Levant, southern Mesopotamia, Arabia, India were native to the Iranian Plateau
* Ancestors of the Assyrians, Akkadians & Babylonians lived in Southern Mesopotamia. Babylon = southern Mesopotamia.
* Of course Assyrians have some Sumerian DNA in them. I never denied it. Like Levant people, Indians and Arabas have some Sumerian DNA in them. But that doesn't make you people Sumerians. You have much more other DNA in you. And your original roots are NOT Sumerian.

*No proof. They are desert people. We both know this. So are Kurds now from the desert? Oh wait, that goes against your mountain narrative now does it?
*No they were not. People migrated out of the middle east to the east and north. They didn't go back to the west again. Sumerians were recent African migrants. And perhaps some did migrate further into Iran and south Asia.
*Yep. And Sumerians were in South Mesopotamia too.
*No, we are not 100% Sumerian. But you guys are not pure Sumerians too. Don't be greedy and unfair. But we're still more closer to them than Iranians. We're from Mesopotamia, not you guys (and you did claim to be from the Iranian plateau - don't contradict yourself!).

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I do enjoy however how you don't like me to call myself an Aryan. Why don't you like the word 'ARYAN', what do you have against this word?

As I know my roots, I know who my ancestors were. And all my ancestors were ARYANS. Therefore I'm an ARYAN.

I actually acknowledge the term 'Aryan'. It's used to describe blonde haired peoples from Northern Europe, and not just by Nazis. There are books and racial descriptions on these people. Unfortunately, they have nothing to do with your people. That's why I sneer and scoff when you use it for yourself.

(https://image.slidesharecdn.com/hitler-theriseofevil-141119081539-conversion-gate02/95/adolf-hitler-the-rise-of-evil-14-638.jpg?cb=1424333547)
(http://www.od43.com/Zucht_Sitte_Si_4.jpg)
(http://slideplayer.com/slide/7318506/24/images/13/Master+Race+Designated+a+supposed+master+race+of+Non-Jewish+Caucasians+usually+having+Nordic+features..jpg)
(https://image.slidesharecdn.com/13-1theriseofdictators-110718082512-phpapp01/95/131-the-rise-of-dictators-29-728.jpg?cb=1310977604)

Nobody uses the term for dark-skinned, dark-eyed, dark-haired people from the Middle East. Racially, you are Irano-Afghan. Most people will see you as Middle Eastern. They will just not see you as Aryan no matter how much you enforce the term. The word is widely used for Nordic people. You can't do anything about that. And I'm not saying this to sound rude. Maybe there is some Aryan culture that existed in your regions. But as a race, I'm sorry, Aryan is now used for Germanic people. Terms change and evolve.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on August 07, 2017, 11:19:50 PM
On a side note: This Aryan Myth has lot of charm is Middle East & South Asia because Aryan race is depicted as white, beautiful & perfect. Its the inferiority complex of South and Western Asians because of which they want to associate themselves with a mythical race to feel good about themselves and probably they think they'd earn some respect. On the contrary the great races such as Greeks & Romans do not associate themselves with any such mythical race. At least Indians should come out of this Aryan myth and feel proud of their real history which is much older than this Aryan myth.

There never was an Aryan race. All the ancient Sanskrit texts and Vedas have no mention of such race. The word Arya comes from Sanskrit and it simply means a noble person. This myth was created by Germans to call it a race and go on a mission to exterminate colored people, specially Jews. In reality Hitler was pissed at Jews because Jews were very intelligent & talented and white Germans were loosing jobs because of Jews.

Kurds this time ignorantly affiliating 'Aryan' with some of their blonde people:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hHMwCE3ECU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hHMwCE3ECU)

And yet you ask why am I finding this laughable? Let's face it. Your people are Germanic/European wannabes. It's really sad and pathetic.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: nejepnerast on August 08, 2017, 12:13:32 AM
You fail to understand with your retard Islamic brains that we don't believe in 'birds'. Meleke Taus was an angel and not a bird. We compare him to a bird, since the ancient Sumerian times, because according to us angels came down from heaven. Angels were not born on this planet. Ancient Sumerians marked angels with WINGS. To show that they came down from heaven. Like the Sumerians, Ezdi also believe in 7 angels

Ezdi are just poetic people. Peacock is just our METHAPHOR for Melek Taus. We never say that Melek Taus was a bird, LMAO! According to Ezdi Peacock is the most proud and beautiful of all birds. That's why we use peacock as a poetic METHAPHOR for Tause Melek.


I get all the metaphor crap and like i said it is in all religions , so it is no differant that those who worship cows or take it as a symbol or metaphor .

I will you how idiotic our ancestors were and that by the way apply to all nationalities . Tell me seriously how idiotic these images are . I mean what the **** was wrong with them drawing this non sense that you are so proud of :) . They were all retards that believed in idiotic stuff like having a wing .

Birdly ancient Sumerian Angels with wings:

(https://s2.postimg.org/gau23xm95/7e7296c09d74daa30012681789e33ab5.jpg)


Birdly Zoroaster with WINGS:

(https://s2.postimg.org/k0bhihxxl/7379a7c689c343b9aec1f73c5657866a.jpg)

personally i find grandizer much better

(http://img11.deviantart.net/31b8/i/2014/080/d/a/grendizer_by_huramechi-d798nnh.png)
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on August 08, 2017, 09:29:36 AM
I get all the metaphor crap and like i said it is in all religions , so it is no differant that those who worship cows or take it as a symbol or metaphor .

I will you how idiotic our ancestors were and that by the way apply to all nationalities . Tell me seriously how idiotic these images are . I mean what the **** was wrong with them drawing this non sense that you are so proud of :) . They were all retards that believed in idiotic stuff like having a wing .
WTH are you talking about???

The ancient religion of my ancestors is much older and much more advanced than the Semitic religions, definitely much more advanced than Islam.

My Aryan ancestors were the FIRST people who started to believe in 1 GOD!

We are more advanced and open minded, because we were also the FIRST and the only who believe in life outside our planet. According to the Semitic religions GOD created only our planets and we are on Earth the only creature created by GOD. While according to our religion GOD created the whole universe and also 7 angels outside our planet Earth. In other words, my native Aryan religion believes in Alien life outside our planets.


And who told you that we worship a bird, peacock???

When we pray we pray toward the Sun, we don't pray toward a bird, peacock or some kind of stupid meteor stone like that in Kaaba.

We don't pray toward and  worship a peacock. We only pray to the SUN, to the Starts.


We are the STARCHILDREN, true Aryan people, the chosen people of Tause Melek.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on August 08, 2017, 09:54:10 AM
In your point of view. You are still as Western Asian as a "Semite". Also, you belong to their race in other classifications (Armenoid, Mediterranid & even the loose term of "Middle Eastern"). Your point of view doesn't mean it's the sole truth.
What is wrong with your brains. Why your brains can't see and accept some REALITY??

My Aryan people belonged always to a West-Iranian race. My people are not Semitic, were NEVER Semitic and will never be Semitic.
While Semitic people are not Aryan, were NEVER Aryan and never will be Aryan.

We belong to a different species, we are different people, different race.


My ancestors have always been ARYANS!!!


My ancestors the legendary Medes found the FIRST Aryan Empire ever!


According to the Herodotus' (c. 485-420 BCE )

H.7.62: "The Medes had exactly the same equipment as the Persians; and indeed the dress common to both is not so much Persian as Median. They had for commander Tigranes, of the race of the Achaemenids. These (Medes & Persians) were called anciently by all people Aryans."

http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/medians/ (http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/medians/)

(http://s22.postimg.org/xvcnd8m9t/274.jpg)



500BC.

(http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Achaemenid/Pasargadae/DPa.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Xerxes_I_tomb_top.jpg)

1. (1-8.) A great god is Ahuramazda, who created this earth, who created yonder sky, who created man, who created happiness for man, who made Darius king, one king of many, one lord of many.
2. (8-15.) I am Darius the Great King, King of Kings, King of countries containing all kinds of men, King in this great earth far and wide, son of Hystaspes, an Achaemenian, a Persian, son of a Persian, an Aryan, having Aryan lineage.


(http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/images/behistun/behistun02_9-17.jpg)

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Languages/aryan/inscription_of_dariush_grt_rstm.htm (http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Languages/aryan/inscription_of_dariush_grt_rstm.htm)



According to the Avestan VENDIDAD the medes were part of the 16 Aryan nations.

"It is interesting to note that ancient Aryana lands included part of modern Media and Persia. Examining the sixteen Aryan nations listed in the Vendidad, we note that Rai/Ray/Ragha that was part of modern Media was one of the original sixteen Vendidad nations. Similarly, parts of eastern Persia could have been part of old Sistan/Haetumant and Aria/Haroyu.

The homeland of the Aryans was called Airyana Vaeja in the Zoroastrian scriptures, the Avesta and Arya Varta in the Hindu scriptures. The collection of first Aryan nations was called Airyanam Dakhyunam. Aryan lands are called Airyo Shayanem.
"

(http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/images/maps/vendidadnations.jpg)

http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/aryans/airyanavaeja.htm#vendidad (http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/aryans/airyanavaeja.htm#vendidad)



According to other Helenic writer STRABO Media was part of ARYANA!!!

Classical Hellenic authors such as Strabo mention the lands of Ariana or Aryana and make a distinction between the collection of kingdoms that formed Aryana and the country or kingdom of Aria.

Strabo (2.1.31) implies that Ariana was a single national group whose members formed the different Aryan kingdoms: "Ariana is not so accurately described (as India being in the shape of a quadrilateral or rhomboid by Eratosthenes), on account of its western side being interwoven with the adjacent lands (of Persia and Media). Still it is pretty well distinguished by its three other sides, which are formed by three nearly straight lines (see following paragraph), and also by its name (Aryana, meaning land of the Aryans), which shows it to be only one nation."

In the estimation of the Hellenic authors, Aryana included the larger group of Aryan kingdoms including Aria, and was bordered by the Indus river in the east (Pomponius Mela 1.12 states that "nearest to India is Ariana, then Aria". Strabo 15.2.1 also states "Next to India is Ariana"), the sea in the south, a line from Carmania (Kerman) to the Caspian Gates in the west, and the Taurus Mountains (the chains for mountains that run west-east from Anatolia and which include the Himalayas) in the north.

The land of Aryana included Media, Persia, the deserts of Gedrosia and Carmania, that is, the provinces of Carmania, Gedrosia, Drangiana, Arachosia (Strabo 11.10.1 ), Aria, the Paropamisadae, Bactria (called the ornament of Ariana), Apollodorus of Artemita (Strabo 11.11.1) and Sogdiana where Zarathushtra is said to have preached Ahura Mazda's laws "among the Arianoi" (cf. Diodorus 1.94.2). These observations reconfirm the sixteen nations of the Vendidad as being part of the Greater Aryan nation and add to that list of nations the later more modern nations of Persia, Media, Carmania (Kerman) and Chorasmia. This Greater Ariana formed the core of the Persian Empire. Aelianus in De natura animalium 16.16, also mentions that there were "Indian Arianians" and there is some suggestion that control of Ariana fluctuated between Indian and Arian Arianians.


(http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/images/maps/eratosthenes.jpg)

http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/aryans/airyanavaeja.htm#vendidad (http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/aryans/airyanavaeja.htm#vendidad)


Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on August 08, 2017, 10:19:11 AM
I showed you 4 evidences that the West-Iranian Medes were considered as ARYAN people.

Texts from 1) Herodotus and 2) Strabo

Direct inscription from the 3) Perisans/Darius

4) Avestan Vendidad


I'm an Aryan, my ancestors were Aryan and we will be always Aryan.

Why do you get angry at me because you can't be like me, that you as a Semite can never be Aryan like me. We are 2 different species/races? These are FACTS and this is reality. I'm not GOD. I didn;t create you. Don;t get angry at me. But it is time to accept the reality and time to move on.


You are like a broken record, all what you do is only repeating yourself!!!


And because you don't what to hear this word. For you:

Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: nejepnerast on August 08, 2017, 06:47:34 PM
WTH are you talking about???

The ancient religion of my ancestors is much older and much more advanced than the Semitic religions, definitely much more advanced than Islam.

what does that have to do with what i posted ?. I do not get you , why do you get out of topic ? I do not care which is older and older does not mean better .My point is that they are all **** and stupid . 

My Aryan ancestors were the FIRST people who started to believe in 1 GOD!

So we were the first idiots lol . No thanks .


We are more advanced and open minded, because we were also the FIRST and the only who believe in life outside our planet. According to the Semitic religions GOD created only our planets and we are on Earth the only creature created by GOD. While according to our religion GOD created the whole universe and also 7 angels outside our planet Earth. In other words, my native Aryan religion believes in Alien life outside our planets.

Yes yes we are so f...cken special  , that is why we do not have a country .

And who told you that we worship a bird, peacock???

Did you read my post ? No right ?

When we pray we pray toward the Sun, we don't pray toward a bird, peacock or some kind of stupid meteor stone like that in Kaaba.

They are all stupid , our stupidity is no better than theirs . bird , sun , rock , cows , rats . All idiotic and only idiots believe in this non sense .



We are the STARCHILDREN, true Aryan people, the chosen people of Tause Melek.

lolololol , I want to puke now . Star children loolol . chosen by a stupid bird . is it the same tause that did nothing when isis came committed the unspeakable crimes ? man wake up and stop embarrassing us  .
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on August 09, 2017, 06:58:39 AM
what does that have to do with what i posted ?. I do not get you , why do you get out of topic ? I do not care which is older and older does not mean better .My point is that they are all **** and stupid .
Because you as Sunni Muslim have no rights to tell me and my people what to do. Sunni Muslims are the MOST retard hypocrite subhumans on this planet.

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So we were the first idiots lol . No thanks .
We were the first and all other idiots followed.


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They are all stupid , our stupidity is no better than theirs . bird , sun , rock , cows , rats . All idiotic and only idiots believe in this non sense .


lolololol , I want to puke now . Star children loolol . chosen by a stupid bird . is it the same tause that did nothing when isis came committed the unspeakable crimes ? man wake up and stop embarrassing us  .
Your Sunni Muslim brains can't think. Melek Taus is not a bird but an angel. We are the chosen people of Tause Melek. We are 1 of the oldest people of the world, all because we have our guardians. We exist for 7000 years. And in all this time we never forgot our roots, never betrayed our God and changed our religion. Because of our religion we are who we are. We survive because of our religion. Our religion has a nobel function. We are loyal to our ancient religion and our ancient culture. We exist for 7000 years and we will continue to exist for 7000 years. All other people come and go, all other religions  come and. People continously convert to other religion, but we stay PURE!!

Tause Melek is watching over us. Because of him we do exist. Because of him we survive. Barzani is committing a genocide on my people. Just wait and see, Barzani and his Sunni Muslim people will pay the worst price. It is not over yet, Tause Melek will take care of our enemies...



Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on August 09, 2017, 11:35:44 PM
What is wrong with your brains. Why your brains can't see and accept some REALITY??

My Aryan people belonged always to a West-Iranian race. My people are not Semitic, were NEVER Semitic and will never be Semitic.
While Semitic people are not Aryan, were NEVER Aryan and never will be Aryan.

We belong to a different species, we are different people, different race.


My ancestors have always been ARYANS!!!


My ancestors the legendary Medes found the FIRST Aryan Empire ever!

Who said you're Semitic? Who said you're a language family? You severely lack comprehension skills, because you can clearly tell that I'm against using language families being "races" of people. :mrgreen:

No, you are not "Semitic". But you are also NOT Aryan.

You're NOT Nordic. You are the Middle Eastern subrace, Irano-Afghan. Accept it and don't be ashamed of it.

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According to the Herodotus' (c. 485-420 BCE )

H.7.62: "The Medes had exactly the same equipment as the Persians; and indeed the dress common to both is not so much Persian as Median. They had for commander Tigranes, of the race of the Achaemenids. These (Medes & Persians) were called anciently by all people Aryans."

[url]http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/medians/[/url] ([url]http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/medians/[/url])

([url]http://s22.postimg.org/xvcnd8m9t/274.jpg[/url])

Yep, you were called Aryans thousands of years ago. And I told you that Aryan comes from Sansksrit, meaning "noble one". So what?  The term has been changed in the 20th century and is used to describe Nordic people with blonde features. Just like "Caucasian" is now rarely used for Armenians and Georgians, but more for Europeans. It's sad and an inaccurate deviation, but we have to deal with it.

Again, you're only obsessed with Aryan because the Nazis used it. You get really aroused by the fact, even though you will never appear Aryanic to them or ANYONE else in the world.

P.S. Turkey/Anatolia used to be called "Asia Minor". I don't see patriotic Turks going around and yelling "Asian and proud". -_-

I showed you 4 evidences that the West-Iranian Medes were considered as ARYAN people.

Texts from 1) Herodotus and 2) Strabo

Direct inscription from the 3) Perisans/Darius

4) Avestan Vendidad


I'm an Aryan, my ancestors were Aryan and we will be always Aryan.

Why do you get angry at me because you can't be like me, that you as a Semite can never be Aryan like me. We are 2 different species/races? These are FACTS and this is reality. I'm not GOD. I didn;t create you. Don;t get angry at me. But it is time to accept the reality and time to move on.


You are like a broken record, all what you do is only repeating yourself!!!


And because you don't what to hear this word. For you:

Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya Arya


Must be so insecure and insignificant to repeat that term. Is that what you do to validate yourself to your Germanic masters? Deep inside, you must burn just to be a little European and white. You are disgusted that you have Jewish and Assyrian in you. That's why you're so mad. God help you. Must be really hard. No, you are nothing like Assyrians, but YOU ARE STILL MORE LIKE THEM than like your Germanic masters, the real Aryans.

Excuse me confused sir, but this is Aryan:

(http://www.theneworder.org/media/83591/aryan.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/cc/e0/56/cce05683596cf8a4a21328ef4cc49503--popular-mens-hairstyles-hairstyles-men.jpg)

Really sorry that you do not look like this. Life must be really bad for you. But oh well...
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on August 09, 2017, 11:43:05 PM
Because you as Sunni Muslim have no rights to tell me and my people what to do. Sunni Muslims are the MOST retard hypocrite subhumans on this planet.
We were the first and all other idiots followed.
Oh my, did you just call Kurds subhumans?

Btw, Nejepnerast is an atheist convert. He doesn't believe in sky magic like you do, especially 3000 year old pagan myths of bird and sun worship. Just shows who is more intellectually superior in this scenario. Lol.

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Your Sunni Muslim brains can't think. Melek Taus is not a bird but an angel. We are the chosen people of Tause Melek. We are 1 of the oldest people of the world, all because we have our guardians. We exist for 7000 years. And in all this time we never forgot our roots, never betrayed our God and changed our religion. Because of our religion we are who we are. We survive because of our religion. Our religion has a nobel function. We are loyal to our ancient religion and our ancient culture. We exist for 7000 years and we will continue to exist for 7000 years. All other people come and go, all other religions  come and. People continously convert to other religion, but we stay PURE!!
Okay, so you admit that Yazidis are much more "pure" than Sunni Kurds. Thanks for conceding.

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Tause Melek is watching over us. Because of him we do exist. Because of him we survive. Barzani is committing a genocide on my people. Just wait and see, Barzani and his Sunni Muslim people will pay the worst price. It is not over yet, Tause Melek will take care of our enemies...
So much hate for your pure, superior, incomparable Iranian race. So much hate.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on August 10, 2017, 08:32:13 AM
Okay, so you admit that Yazidis are much more "pure" than Sunni Kurds. Thanks for conceding.
Our 'soul' is more pure, because we never betrayed our God for the last 7000 years and never changed to other religions. We are loyal to our ancestors and to our history.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on August 10, 2017, 08:40:54 AM
Excuse me confused sir, but this is Aryan.

True WARRIOR ARYANS race. ARYAN race is a WARRIOR race. We are the best and natural born WARRIORS.

ARYANS = WARRIORS :

([url]http://www.theneworder.org/media/83591/aryan.jpg[/url])
([url]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/cc/e0/56/cce05683596cf8a4a21328ef4cc49503--popular-mens-hairstyles-hairstyles-men.jpg[/url])

Really sorry that you do not look like this. Life must be really bad for you. But oh well...

This is how the real and ORIGINAL Aryans (always) look(ed) like. Aryans looked ALWAYS like that for 7000 years. This are the TRUE Aryans and not the wannabe Aryans.

(https://s28.postimg.org/om76v2kdp/abc.jpg)
(https://s28.postimg.org/n8k5diai5/Members_of_the_Kurdish_People_s_Defense_Units_Y.jpg)
(https://s28.postimg.org/5wjss2h0t/PKK_guerillas.jpg)
(https://s28.postimg.org/fv4rejqgd/YPG-_Shingal-_Rodi-_Said-_Reuters.jpg)
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on August 10, 2017, 09:08:27 AM
Yep, you were called Aryans thousands of years ago. And I told you that Aryan comes from Sansksrit, meaning "noble one". So what?  The term has been changed in the 20th century and is used to describe Nordic people with blonde features. Just like "Caucasian" is now rarely used for Armenians and Georgians, but more for Europeans. It's sad and an inaccurate deviation, but we have to deal with it.
Sanskrit??? My ARYAN (NorthWest Iranian) language never evolved from Sankrit. My Aryan language is from a different branch than Sanskrit. It's closer to Avestan than Sanskrit. More evidence that you are very ignorant and don't know  what you are talking about.

Are you mental or just ignorant? You spread nonsense after nonsense. You don't know what you are talking about. Georgia is PART of the Caucasus.

This is Caucasus:

(https://s27.postimg.org/ac2jnw80j/Caucasus_Eco-_Region_Map.jpg)


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P.S. Turkey/Anatolia used to be called "Asia Minor". I don't see patriotic Turks going around and yelling "Asian and proud".
Asian is not a race, but ARYAN is a race.

Turks are confused about their origin. They don't know who they are. Their language is from the Altai. Altai is also Asia, but EASTERN Asia. So, Turks are confused big time. It is not my broblem, so f**k them.


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No, you are nothing like Assyrians
Right, I'm nothing like the Semitic Assyrians, never was and never will be. I'm who I'm for thousands of years. We have never been Semitic people.
Like Semites were are not ARYAN, never were Aryans and NEVER will be Aryans. You can never become Aryan. You are the same as Arabs and Jews. That's why you act like an angry bird.

YOUR race Semites are like this:

(https://s28.postimg.org/8g68ulpsd/abcom-default-share.jpg)



My people have always been true Aryans. Generations after generations. Always been ARYANS in race and always stayed pure in our soul and flesh & blood.

Next time stick to SCIENCE and FACTS and stay with REALITY


Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on August 17, 2017, 04:49:36 PM
Kurds claim descent from: Hurrians-Mitannis, Medes, Sumerians, Corduene, Gutians, and Corduenes.

I've been able to pinpoint two possible origins for Kurds: The Cyrtii OR the Carduchians.

http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/Carduchi-latin-form-of-greek-kardokhoi (http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/Carduchi-latin-form-of-greek-kardokhoi)
https://web.archive.org/web/20110429175533/http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/cyrtians-gk (https://web.archive.org/web/20110429175533/http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/cyrtians-gk)

"According to Strabo, they were migrants and predatory brigands" Definitely sounds like Kurds hehe.

Realistically, I've never heard any Kurds claim descent from the Cyrtians. The Cyrtians lived in Atropatene

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/AtropateneHistoryofIran.png)
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: nejepnerast on August 18, 2017, 11:06:46 AM
Our 'soul' is more pure, because we never betrayed our God for the last 7000 years and never changed to other religions. We are loyal to our ancestors and to our history.

(https://media.tenor.com/images/0ec4a0bf5349c4a509b4d36ffb677286/tenor.gif)

We have some of the biggest assholes and nicest people ,dumpest individuals and smartest individuals.ugliest women and prettiest women . Our hand full with the blood of others as their hand is full with our blood .

I'm honestly yet to see anything special with any nation . We are all the same **** .
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on August 19, 2017, 08:30:10 AM
This is how the real and ORIGINAL Aryans (always) look(ed) like. Aryans looked ALWAYS like that for 7000 years. This are the TRUE Aryans and not the wannabe Aryans.

(https://s28.postimg.org/om76v2kdp/abc.jpg)
(https://s28.postimg.org/n8k5diai5/Members_of_the_Kurdish_People_s_Defense_Units_Y.jpg)
(https://s28.postimg.org/5wjss2h0t/PKK_guerillas.jpg)
(https://s28.postimg.org/fv4rejqgd/YPG-_Shingal-_Rodi-_Said-_Reuters.jpg)



I'm a true and the real ARYAN. My ancestors were true and real ARYANS. We have always been ARYANS.
All I see are a bunch of Middle Easterners, even "Arabs" to the European eye.

I'm sorry that you do not look like Germans. Must really suck for ya.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on August 19, 2017, 08:43:09 AM
All I see are a bunch of Middle Easterners, even "Arabs" to the European eye.

I'm sorry that you do not look like Germans. Must really suck for ya.
Good for you. Semites were never like us and NEVER will be like us. We are true Aryans.

In our 7000 years of Aryan history we never looked like Germans, lol.


We are true Aryans of a true Aryan race. We look like West Iranian/Aryan Iranid race. True and direct descendants of the mighty proud ARYAN Medes !
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on August 19, 2017, 08:49:59 AM
I'm sorry that you do not look like Germans. Must really suck for ya.
The first and original Aryans were native to the Aryan Zagros Mountains. Ancient Aryans have nothing to with Germany or even with Europe.

I belong to a very ancient Aryan race, while AFRO-Asiatic Semites belong to Africa...
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on August 19, 2017, 11:24:22 AM
The first and original Aryans were native to the Aryan Zagros Mountains. Ancient Aryans have nothing to with Germany or even with Europe.

I belong to a very ancient Aryan race, while AFRO-Asiatic Semites belong to Africa...
If you want to label people by using language families, then call yourself Indo-Iranian (as you just called us Afro-Asiatic). "Aryan" seems out of place.

Be consistent a little?

Ancient Aryans have more to do with Indians, since the word is Sanskrit (whether you like it or not). But now we affiliate the term with Nordic people with blonde hair and blue eyes, not western Asians. Deal with it.

P.S. You only use Aryan because you want to mimic your Nordic masters.  :giggle:
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on August 19, 2017, 03:54:12 PM
If you want to label people by using language families, then call yourself Indo-Iranian (as you just called us Afro-Asiatic). "Aryan" seems out of place.

Be consistent a little?

Ancient Aryans have more to do with Indians, since the word is Sanskrit (whether you like it or not). But now we affiliate the term with Nordic people with blonde hair and blue eyes, not western Asians. Deal with it.

P.S. You only use Aryan because you want to mimic your Nordic masters.  :giggle:
WTH??? Since when Kurds had 'Nordic masters'???

Kurds are West Iranian and speak a West Iranian language. Indians are INDO-Aryans, Kurds are simply Aryans, without anything.

Who are 'we'?? Western Asian Western Iranians have always been associated with Aryans. Be it today, be it 100 years ago, be it 1000 years ago, be it 7000 years ago.

Kurds are who they are and nobody can do anything about it. Kurds are ARYANS. And that is a plain scientific FACT!


I love science, anthropology and I love history. History, anthropology and science are telling us that Kurds are Aryans who belong to an Aryan/West Iranid race. This is a FACT!



Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on August 19, 2017, 04:12:17 PM
It is all about science and not about emotional feelings and getting emotional. I have true science behind my claims.

Kurds are SCIENTIFICALLY claimed to belong to West Iranian group of people who belong to a West Iranian/Aryan (Caspian-Iranid) race. Our racial relatives live in the Caucasus and other parts of the Iranian Plateau.
Our Semitic neighbours to the south belong to a different Semitic race. Turks belong to a Mongoloid race. These are FACTS!


Stick to the SCIENCE and not to your emotion. Your emotion has nothing to do with science.




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Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: alan1 on August 20, 2017, 07:31:23 AM
It's true that there isn't much written scripts to prove Kurdish links to the Medes, but, there is more evidence to suggest that Kurds are derived, at some level from Medes. The Medes weren't a purely Iranic entity, they just had an Iranic elite ruling local populations, like wise, Kurds aren't genetically purely Iranic.

Again, the Medes were an empire wth many "houses" and tribes, not a ethnic group by today's standards. It would be wrong for us to say that only Kurds have claim to the Medes, in actual fact so the the Azeris and Baluchis. Had the azeris not been turkified they would have spoken a dialect similar to Kurmanji today. Azeribaijani in proto-Iranic language means fire guardian, while Kurmanji means "son of magi". The Magis were the spiritual leaders of the Median empire.

P.S the word Aryan in Iranic history means noble, the ruling elite referred to themselves as Aryan. This word  was used by Iranic people way before th Germans even knew the word existed. In fact, in Sorani Kurdish the name Aryan is very common for boys.

Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: alan1 on August 20, 2017, 09:05:05 AM
(https://media.tenor.com/images/0ec4a0bf5349c4a509b4d36ffb677286/tenor.gif)

We have some of the biggest assholes and nicest people ,dumpest individuals and smartest individuals.ugliest women and prettiest women . Our hand full with the blood of others as their hand is full with our blood .

I'm honestly yet to see anything special with any nation . We are all the same **** .

Exactly. Besides, being so proud of history just demonstrates weak character. As if we have the right to be proud of the achievements of people that lives thousands of years ago simply because we carry the same name. What difference is that to nepotism?

The Middle East as a whole has a very rich history, one that advanced society, today, it is a **** hole and a burden on the world. Why are we so proud? Of what? Instead of striving to achieve something in our life in our own name these people ar fixated of something some people did thousands of years ago. Loser mentality and pretty much sums up the Middle Easten mentality today.

It's funny how Assyrians think they're different to the rest of the ME but they're exactly the same entitled bunch of people that think they can ride on the achievements made by people thousands of years ago. No different to Barzanis sons claiming people based on their grandfathers achievements.

History is written as we speak. You'd better concentrate on now and not delude yourself with history too much because very soon you'd go down history as fools.

I don't give a darn if my ancestor was a Median king or his shoe maker. What matters is what I do with my life. I am not entitled to anything my ancestors achieved.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on August 20, 2017, 11:15:02 AM
Again, the Medes were an empire wth many "houses" and tribes, not a ethnic group by today's standards. It would be wrong for us to say that only Kurds have claim to the Medes, in actual fact so the the Azeris and Baluchis. Had the azeris not been turkified they would have spoken a dialect similar to Kurmanji today. Azeribaijani in proto-Iranic language means fire guardian, while Kurmanji means "son of magi". The Magis were the spiritual leaders of the Median empire.
Nothing is true here and everything is wrong.


First of all, Baloch people migrated into what we know as Balochistan from the modern day Kurdish areas. In the beginning Baloch people were like Kurds, but later they mixed with different people. That means that Baloch people lost little by little their 'Median' identity, since they were out rooted from their Median/Kurdish homeland.

Before Aryan Parthians defeated the Hellenic invaders (Alexander the Great), the native land of the Medes was divided into 2 states. After Alexander the Great (who found an Macedonian Empire) parts of the Median Empire remained independent, therefore the division of the native lands of the Medes/Kurdistan occurred. So, some parts of the native Median homeland got their own dynasties/rulers.

Media was divided in Media Magna and Media Atropatene. Antropatene has been a sub-satrapy of the greater Median homeland called 'Matiene'. Antropatene (Azerbaijan) was just a province of Matiene (Media).

But the heart of Matiene was Media Magna. Media Magna was the true Media and it was located in Kurdistan.


After Alexander the Great Matiene/Media/Kurdistan was divided into: Media Magna & Media Atropatene.

Matiene (Media) = Media Magna + Media Atropatene


Media Atropatene became known as Azerbaijan.

Atropatene was an Hellenic version for the Aryan name Aturpatekan


Azerbaijan is the ARABIZED version of Aturpatekan


Azerbaijan = Aturpatekan = Media Atropatene



But, we don't know for sure if native people of Aturpatekan were the Medes at all, since Aturpatekan was only a northern province (sub-satrapy) of Matiene. The HEART of Matiene (Media) was still Media Magna.
Media Magna was located in Kurdistan and in Media Magna lived 'real' Medes.


(Kurmanji) Kurds evolved from people who lived in Media Magna. Therefore Kurds are the real and only descendants of the 'real' Medes. Descendants of the Medes from Media Magna.


Kurdistan = Media Magna
Azerbaijan = Media Atropatene = Aturpatekan



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atropatene


Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on August 20, 2017, 02:27:46 PM
Exactly. Besides, being so proud of history just demonstrates weak character. As if we have the right to be proud of the achievements of people that lives thousands of years ago simply because we carry the same name. What difference is that to nepotism?

How does it show weak character? You're showing respect to those who advanced or helped to advance the society/civilization. You think Europeans aren't proud of their history from Romans, Roman influence, to becoming the world powers?

Europe became the world power because of circumstance, Chinese civilization and Middle East was devastated by the Mongols. Islam retardded the Middle East to the point where knowledge couldn't advance past the middle ages.

The Middle East as a whole has a very rich history, one that advanced society, today, it is a **** hole and a burden on the world. Why are we so proud? Of what? Instead of striving to achieve something in our life in our own name these people ar fixated of something some people did thousands of years ago. Loser mentality and pretty much sums up the Middle Easten mentality today.

So Islamic influence then? Islam teaches an entitled mentality ("Muslims have the strength of 10 non-Muslims!") [10]

[10] - "If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve" Qur'an 8:65

We Assyrians have lived under Islam and its bull-s*** for 1400 years, It'd be impossible if none of its influence got to us at all. Like I've said hundreds of times, you gotta shake off Islam and it'll take many many generations to remove Islam's influence.

It's funny how Assyrians think they're different to the rest of the ME but they're exactly the same entitled bunch of people that think they can ride on the achievements made by people thousands of years ago. No different to Barzanis sons claiming people based on their grandfathers achievements.

Like I said before, we Assyrians lived with Muslims, like Kurds, for 1400 years. Again, It'd be impossible for Islam to not influence us at all.
Also, I'll remember this statement next time your Kurdish leaders drop off their kids at our Assyrian schools... lel.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: alan1 on August 20, 2017, 06:05:21 PM
That's not true, Islam advanced the Middle East. Credit is given when it's deserved, Baghdad was at her peak under Islamic rule when all ethnic groups of the region united. Persian, Kurdish and Arab scholars developed the basis of mathematics. The mongols destroyed the Middle East not Islam. Also Northen Europe was exposed through Muslim rule of Iberia. It was Jewish and Muslim scholars that exposed them to science. Baghdad and Mesopotamia was centuries ahead of everyone else through the combined export of all of the different components of the ME. I don't take pride in that, rather, see it as an opportunity one that can happen again.

Let's face it, by the time the Mongolians were done with the Middle East they only left peasants and that's whom we are descendants off. The mongols didn't just kill the scholars, they destroyed their institutions and any record they left behind them. If you want to blame anyone blame the mongols. The Europeans were next, but history is funny like that, the Mongolian leader died and they all went home. Family feuds followed and Europe was spared.

It's ok to be proud of history, but not to the extend where it consumes you, makes you feel superior and simply arrogant.

Look at how history consumes people, look at Ezidi for example, he is an arrogant brat, to put it politely. I don't feel superior to an Assyrian, Arab or anyone else, nor do I give Iranic people favour other Semites or any other type of people. I judge people by their character and know many non Kurds that I get on better with than Kurds.

The Middle East will never have peace before we separate from each other, only then can we slowest start to unite. I have come to this conclusion and for that reason I support a free Assyria as much as a free Kurdistan.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on August 20, 2017, 06:59:35 PM
That's not true, Islam advanced the Middle East. Credit is given when it's deserved,

Sorry but I laughed so hard that I had to spit the tea in my mouth and I spilled my tea from the cup but I'll "humor" you.

Baghdad was at her peak under Islamic rule when all ethnic groups of the region united. Persian, Kurdish and Arab scholars developed the basis of mathematics. The mongols destroyed the Middle East not Islam. Also Northen Europe was exposed through Muslim rule of Iberia. It was Jewish and Muslim scholars that exposed them to science. Baghdad and Mesopotamia was centuries ahead of everyone else through the combined export of all of the different components of the ME. I don't take pride in that, rather, see it as an opportunity one that can happen again.

Ok, what about the other cities that were at their peak before Baghdad? Why should I care whether Baghdad is useful as a city or not? What was wrong with the Sassanid capital of Tesfon? Tesfon was so developed that we Assyrians had a church province with Tesfon as its synod.

Well firstly, Persians were already educated (as far as standards were back then). Kurds and Arabs went and learned from these works but here's the most important thing: What did Islamic civilization actually discover or invent? Discoveries lead to inventions, Europeans have proven this. Lens and light magnify view -> Microscope -> Cell -> DNA.

Persian, Kurdish and Arab scholars developed the basis of mathematics. Not to burst your bubble but do you mean that they grouped math into specific categories? Because how would that advance a civilization? Math has been developing since the Sumerians, even they had algebra just without that name.

Then there's Pythagoras who created geometry by grouping together what the Sumerians, Akkadians, Egyptians, and Greeks themselves got down. No, the Mongols destroyed Islam. They destroyed the Khwarizmid Empire which ruled Persia and Central Asian (plus Afghanistan). After taking Persia and Cent. Asia, the Mongols moved into the Middle East until they were stopped by Turkish slave-soldiers called Mamluks in Egypt. The Mamluks simply used the Mongol's tactics against them since the Turks were similarly nomadic.


Let's face it, by the time the Mongolians were done with the Middle East they only left peasants and that's whom we are descendants off. The mongols didn't just kill the scholars, they destroyed their institutions and any record they left behind them. If you want to blame anyone blame the mongols. The Europeans were next, but history is funny like that, the Mongolian leader died and they all went home. Family feuds followed and Europe was spared.

The mongols didn't kill scholars, they recruited them into their military and deported them into their cities. What you're saying is the forced brain drain of the region. Thing is, if Islam made the Middle East better, how is it the Middle East just couldn't have recovered since then? The Mongol and Timurid destruction occurred 1200s and 1300s. Middle East couldn't recover by 700 years? 700 years is 23 generations (each generation is 30 years). The Middle East couldn't recover in 23 Generations? Cmon man, now you're just making excuses on the fact that Islam is a retarding force on the Middle East and you know it.

Also, Europe was not spared, just ask the Russians, Hungarians, and other parts of Eastern Europe. Also ask them about dealing with the Ottoman empire...

It's ok to be proud of history, but not to the extend where it consumes you, makes you feel superior and simply arrogant.

Look at how history consumes people, look at Ezidi for example, he is an arrogant brat, to put it politely. I don't feel superior to an Assyrian, Arab or anyone else, nor do I give Iranic people favour other Semites or any other type of people. I judge people by their character and know many non Kurds that I get on better with than Kurds.

So everything in moderation? Gotcha! Unfortunately, Ezidi is afflicted with Historabetes :)

The Middle East will never have peace before we separate from each other, only then can we slowest start to unite. I have come to this conclusion and for that reason I support a free Assyria as much as a free Kurdistan.

And where is Assyria in your mind?
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: nejepnerast on August 21, 2017, 11:11:00 AM
Exactly. Besides, being so proud of history just demonstrates weak character. As if we have the right to be proud of the achievements of people that lives thousands of years ago simply because we carry the same name. What difference is that to nepotism?

The Middle East as a whole has a very rich history, one that advanced society, today, it is a **** hole and a burden on the world. Why are we so proud? Of what? Instead of striving to achieve something in our life in our own name these people ar fixated of something some people did thousands of years ago. Loser mentality and pretty much sums up the Middle Easten mentality today.

It's funny how Assyrians think they're different to the rest of the ME but they're exactly the same entitled bunch of people that think they can ride on the achievements made by people thousands of years ago. No different to Barzanis sons claiming people based on their grandfathers achievements.

History is written as we speak. You'd better concentrate on now and not delude yourself with history too much because very soon you'd go down history as fools.

I don't give a darn if my ancestor was a Median king or his shoe maker. What matters is what I do with my life. I am not entitled to anything my ancestors achieved.

Monsieur , Je vous tire mon chapeau .

(https://leblogdeplouf.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/respect.jpg)
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on August 26, 2017, 02:23:54 AM
It is all about science and not about emotional feelings and getting emotional. I have true science behind my claims.

Kurds are SCIENTIFICALLY claimed to belong to West Iranian group of people who belong to a West Iranian/Aryan (Caspian-Iranid) race. Our racial relatives live in the Caucasus and other parts of the Iranian Plateau.
Our Semitic neighbours to the south belong to a different Semitic race. Turks belong to a Mongoloid race. These are FACTS!


Stick to the SCIENCE and not to your emotion. Your emotion has nothing to do with science.




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Sorry but I laughed so hard that I had to spit the tea in my mouth and I spilled my tea from the cup but I'll "humor" you.
Alan has always been a Muslim apologist in here. He equates Christianity with the KKK and crusades and Islam with its more peaceful period in the 1400s.

But I like that. Shows how much Kurds affiliate themselves with "Semitic" religions, and thus would make Ezidi Kurd furious (who's probably a Sunni Kurd in disguise and is ashamed of his Semitic Gedmatch make-up).
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on August 26, 2017, 03:16:41 AM
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Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: nejepnerast on September 01, 2017, 11:20:20 AM


Can you please let him be Aryan . it is what he wants , so be it . I'm sure if we compare the contributions and destructions that assyrian and aryan take credit for we will see that we are exactly the same .
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on September 01, 2017, 02:32:11 PM
I'm sure if we compare the contributions and destructions that assyrian and aryan take credit for we will see that we are exactly the same .

We didn't destroy people that didn't deserve it. just like how Persians always punished Assyrians or Medes who rebelled against them, ancient Assyrians punished those who rebelled as well. Romans, Arab Muslims, Mongols, USA do the same.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on September 03, 2017, 05:27:31 PM
Can you please let him be Aryan . it is what he wants , so be it . I'm sure if we compare the contributions and destructions that assyrian and aryan take credit for we will see that we are exactly the same .
I'm who I am. I know who I am, and NOBODY can do anything about it. Nobody can change my Aryan ancestors.

Reconciliation begins with recognition. If some people don't want to recognise me who I really am, how do they expect from me that I do recognize them, never!


My ancestors were Aryans, I'm an Aryan and my descendants will be always Aryans!
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: nejepnerast on September 04, 2017, 12:32:44 AM
I'm who I am. I know who I am, and NOBODY can do anything about it. Nobody can change my Aryan ancestors.

Reconciliation begins with recognition. If some people don't want to recognise me who I really am, how do they expect from me that I do recognize them, never!


My ancestors were Aryans, I'm an Aryan and my descendants will be always Aryans!

and i completely agree with you . You can also claim that current Assyrian are mere fabrication of Western power and church and have nothing to do with ancient Assyrian . I do not get it why everyone tries to deny the origin of the other .   
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: nejepnerast on September 04, 2017, 12:42:33 AM
We didn't destroy people that didn't deserve it. just like how Persians always punished Assyrians or Medes who rebelled against them, ancient Assyrians punished those who rebelled as well. Romans, Arab Muslims, Mongols, USA do the same.
lol , no your ancestors went from ninava plain killing every man woman and child all the way to Egypt i believe , so please save us the lecture . By the way isis uses exactly the same logic and mohamad was supposedly send as a mercy for humanity . All our ancesters were thugs and criminals who enjoyed killing , decapitating each other and taking pride in that by drawing on the walls lol .
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on September 04, 2017, 01:10:10 AM
lol , no your ancestors went from ninava plain killing every man woman and child all the way to Egypt i believe , so please save us the lecture . By the way isis uses exactly the same logic and mohamad was supposedly send as a mercy for humanity . All our ancesters were thugs and criminals who enjoyed killing , decapitating each other and taking pride in that by drawing on the walls lol .

just like how you asked for proof on your KRG independence thread, I'm asking for proof on this. Ancient Assyrians were not thugs or criminals. You cannot have a functional society or country as criminals/thugs. Secondly, you have no credibility in saying such things considering how historically ignorant you are.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: nejepnerast on September 04, 2017, 12:22:41 PM
just like how you asked for proof on your KRG independence thread, I'm asking for proof on this. Ancient Assyrians were not thugs or criminals. You cannot have a functional society or country as criminals/thugs. Secondly, you have no credibility in saying such things considering how historically ignorant you are.


Mohamad was a thug and a thief and look what he built . As long as we do not admit to ourselves at least that our ancestors were thugs and criminals and that what they used to do to others were wrong we will never accept each others and the cycle of violence and hatred will continue for eternity .

From the palace of King Sennacherib:
Assyrian soldiers flay the captives
(https://ferrebeekeeper.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/flaying_of_rebels.jpg)

Isis style in reverse .
(http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_Sumer/Sumer_Assyrian_cuttinghead.jpg)

if you enjoy seeing what our ancestors did there is a whole liberary on Google

Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on September 04, 2017, 02:55:06 PM
Mohamad was a thug and a thief and look what he built . As long as we do not admit to ourselves at least that our ancestors were thugs and criminals and that what they used to do to others were wrong we will never accept each others and the cycle of violence and hatred will continue for eternity .

From the palace of King Sennacherib:
Assyrian soldiers flay the captives
([url]https://ferrebeekeeper.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/flaying_of_rebels.jpg[/url])

Isis style in reverse .
([url]http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_Sumer/Sumer_Assyrian_cuttinghead.jpg[/url])

if you enjoy seeing what our ancestors did there is a whole liberary on Google
I don't know who you are, but ancient Assyrians were never my ancestors!
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on September 04, 2017, 05:48:50 PM
Mohamad was a thug and a thief and look what he built . As long as we do not admit to ourselves at least that our ancestors were thugs and criminals and that what they used to do to others were wrong we will never accept each others and the cycle of violence and hatred will continue for eternity .

From the palace of King Sennacherib:
Assyrian soldiers flay the captives
image here

Isis style in reverse .
image here

if you enjoy seeing what our ancestors did there is a whole liberary on Google


You mean the same Elamites who have been periodically invading into Mesopotamia? Elam has been invading Mesopotamia SINCE BEFORE first Babylonian kingdom.
The Elamites were the ones who ended the last dynasty of Sumer...

This is does not make Assyrians thugs or criminals. We stopped a meddlesome kingdom who had devastated Mesopotamia many times.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: nejepnerast on September 04, 2017, 09:17:39 PM
You mean the same Elamites who have been periodically invading into Mesopotamia? Elam has been invading Mesopotamia SINCE BEFORE first Babylonian kingdom.
The Elamites were the ones who ended the last dynasty of Sumer...

This is does not make Assyrians thugs or criminals. We stopped a meddlesome kingdom who had devastated Mesopotamia many times.

you see , you are validating crimes committed and just like a typical muslim would defend islam and Mohamad . how are you any different ? You are right and they were wrong ? They say the same thing .
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: nejepnerast on September 04, 2017, 09:18:36 PM
I don't know who you are, but ancient Assyrians were never my ancestors!

Our ancestors were no different .
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on September 04, 2017, 09:52:35 PM
you see , you are validating crimes committed and just like a typical muslim would defend islam and Mohamad . how are you any different ? You are right and they were wrong ? They say the same thing .
ok now you're just saying stupid statements, Muhammad is clearly documented in the qur'an as starting fights and wars and banditry. The Elamites have been attacking Mesopotamia since the Sumerians. If ancient Assyrians didn't take care of them, it would've been the Neo-Babylonians.

Or are you telling me that we should've just like Elamites just keep attacking Mesopotamia? When the Elamites did not attack Mesopotamia, they tried to politically divide Mesopotamia.

Secondly...
"His successor Tempti-Khumma-In-Shushinak (664–653) attacked Assyria, but was defeated and killed by Ashurbanipal following the battle of the Ulaï in 653 BC; and Susa itself was sacked and occupied by the Assyrians. In this same year the Assyrian vassal Median state to the north fell to the invading Scythians and Cimmerians under Madius, and displacing another Assyrian vassal people, the Parsu (Persians) to Anshan which their king Teispes captured that same year, turning it for the first time into an Indo-Iranian kingdom under Assyrian dominance that would a century later become the nucleus of the Achaemenid dynasty. The Assyrians successfully subjugated and drove the Scythians and Cimmerians from their Iranian colonies, and the Persians, Medes and Parthians remained vassals of Assyria."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elam#Neo-Elamite_I_.28c._1100_.E2.80.93_c._770_BC.29
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: nejepnerast on September 04, 2017, 10:06:51 PM
ok now you're just saying stupid statements, Muhammad is clearly documented in the qur'an as starting fights and wars and banditry.

you get no argument from me and i can add more to your list of atrocities committed by mohamad .


The Elamites have been attacking Mesopotamia since the Sumerians. If ancient Assyrians didn't take care of them, it would've been the Neo-Babylonians.
Or are you telling me that we should've just like Elamites just keep attacking Mesopotamia? When the Elamites did not attack Mesopotamia, they tried to politically divide Mesopotamia.

I do not know who are the elarnites are and i'm certain they were no different than assyrian and possibly worst . My point is that they were all assholes and thugs and taking pride in being the descendant of these thugs is shameful .

Secondly...
"His successor Tempti-Khumma-In-Shushinak (664–653) attacked Assyria, but was defeated and killed by Ashurbanipal following the battle of the Ulaï in 653 BC; and Susa itself was sacked and occupied by the Assyrians. In this same year the Assyrian vassal Median state to the north fell to the invading Scythians and Cimmerians under Madius, and displacing another Assyrian vassal people, the Parsu (Persians) to Anshan which their king Teispes captured that same year, turning it for the first time into an Indo-Iranian kingdom under Assyrian dominance that would a century later become the nucleus of the Achaemenid dynasty. The Assyrians successfully subjugated and drove the Scythians and Cimmerians from their Iranian colonies, and the Persians, Medes and Parthians remained vassals of Assyria."
Again you are validating and your opponent are doing the same thing . Just admit that they were all thugs and uncivilized , so we can move on  .
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on September 05, 2017, 01:45:11 AM
you get no argument from me and i can add more to your list of atrocities committed by mohamad .
are you trying to insult me and other Assyrians by equating us with Arabs and Muhammad or are you talking about my Arguments against Islam thread?

I do not know who are the elarnites are and i'm certain they were no different than assyrian and possibly worst . My point is that they were all assholes and thugs and taking pride in being the descendant of these thugs is shameful .

Again you are validating and your opponent are doing the same thing . Just admit that they were all thugs and uncivilized , so we can move on  .

I think I'm realizing what you're talking but it's goes way beyond history and civilization, you're talking human behavior at this point.

Realistically, if you lived in a time where everybody was a jerk, you're telling me you wouldn't be a jerk as well? :)
Also, by todays standards, of course they were thugs but they didn't know what we know now.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on September 05, 2017, 03:23:54 AM

Can you please let him be Aryan . it is what he wants , so be it . I'm sure if we compare the contributions and destructions that assyrian and aryan take credit for we will see that we are exactly the same .
You don't get it. He has an agenda. He wants to call himself Aryan because the Germans claimed it and got popular for doing so. If they didn't, he would not even care for the word. Why Aryan when he can use "Irano-Afghan" or "Armenoid"? These terms are used to denote his race and Assyrians too with Armenoid. But nah, screw them, let's go with Aryan because Germans used to signify their "superiority" and power.

P.S. Assyrians were violent and destructive 2500 years ago, before Christianity. Pretty stupid and asinine to call modern Assyrians violent because of 2500 years ago. What matters is that today we're not like your Muslim friends. Heck, I wouldn't even call modern Brits violent because of their bloody conquests no more than 200 years ago.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on September 05, 2017, 03:28:22 AM
lol , no your ancestors went from ninava plain killing every man woman and child all the way to Egypt i believe , so please save us the lecture . By the way isis uses exactly the same logic and mohamad was supposedly send as a mercy for humanity . All our ancesters were thugs and criminals who enjoyed killing , decapitating each other and taking pride in that by drawing on the walls lol .
Muhammad was a warlord who wanted to convert others violently. His followers do the same today. Stop justifying this atrocity.

Assyrians, whilst violent, were normal peoples who had barbaric laws as did ancient Romans, Greeks, Mayans. Not surprising. Be thankful that today, we are not like that. Today, your Muslim friends are more akin to ancient Assyrians.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on September 05, 2017, 06:44:40 AM
You don't get it. He has an agenda. He wants to call himself Aryan because the Germans claimed it and got popular for doing so. If they didn't, he would not even care for the word. Why Aryan when he can use "Irano-Afghan" or "Armenoid"? These terms are used to denote his race and Assyrians too with Armenoid. But nah, screw them, let's go with Aryan because Germans used to signify their "superiority" and power.
LMAO, what is your problem?

I never clamed to be a German of Germanic race. I'm a Kurd and Aryan of Iranid race. The problem lies with you. Kurds/Aryans and Assyrians/Semites are 2 different people belong to different races. And you don't like this FACT.

Your relatives are Arabs and Jews, while our relatives are Persians.

I never claimed to be  German, because 1940 Germans were just wannabe Aryans. I'm 100% a full blooded Aryan Ezdi Kurd. A TRUE Aryan.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on September 07, 2017, 05:58:06 AM
LMAO, what is your problem?

I never clamed to be a German of Germanic race. I'm a Kurd and Aryan of Iranid race. The problem lies with you. Kurds/Aryans and Assyrians/Semites are 2 different people belong to different races. And you don't like this FACT.
Again, you're thinking that I said that. I didn't and frankly, I couldn't care less, even though I did tell you that your people belong to the Irano-Afghan race.

No, we're not related to Kurds. I agree there.

But we're also not related to ALL Arabs, such as Yemenis, Kuwaitis and Egyptians. We're still more closer to Iranians and Kurds than we are to Egyptians and Yemenis. Even you admitted that we're mixed with Iranians.

I don't care, again. Whether we're closer to North Africans or Iranians, I don't mind it. But I'm telling you the truth. But you're making a strawman out of it - Like as if I'm implying Assyrians are 100% blood brothers with Kurds when they are NOT.

I hope you get me now.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on September 07, 2017, 06:28:09 AM
We are all equal, but we are separate races. Kurds and Assyrians do not belong to the same race. We have different roots. Therefore Kurds and Assyrians have the right to have their own country separately.
Assyrians belong to a different race than Kurds, therefore they deserve their own separate homeland where they are the majority.

But I don't like the idea that Assyrians claim some land in the native lands of the Ezdi Kurds in northern Mesopotamia.

Also my people are 'more' related/connected to the Ubaid Sumerians than the Assyrians, because as Semitic people Assyrians are more related to the Semitic Levant people like the Jews. Assyrians are related to the Jews and Jews were NEVER native to the Northern Mesopotamia of directly related to the Sumerians.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on September 08, 2017, 01:38:43 AM
We are all equal, but we are separate races. Kurds and Assyrians do not belong to the same race. We have different roots. Therefore Kurds and Assyrians have the right to have their own country separately. Assyrians belong to a different race than Kurds, therefore they deserve their own separate homeland where they are the majority.
You are right that we are two different peoples or races, if you will. My point was, we are still more homogeneous to the Kurds and Iranian than say, Yemenis, Qataris and Moroccans, considering our location and vicinity to Iranid peoples. Of course, that's NOT to say that Assyrians and Kurds are the same peoples. Just the same way humans are more closer to chimps than gorillas, that doesn't mean humans are now chimps. You have this notion that language families equals race. If that's so then Assyrians should be racially akin to Nigerians or Ethiopians, because they speak an Afro-Asiatic language, like we do. There's no logic in that.

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But I don't like the idea that Assyrians claim some land in the native lands of the Ezdi Kurds in northern Mesopotamia.
Why? We were never enemies of you guys. Not to mention, our ancient empire sprawled all over that place. Yes, you can have lands too, but why shouldn't we? Be fair, please. Why you're thinking like Sunni Kurds? You suffered under them. And so did we. Where should our native land be then?

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Also my people are 'more' related/connected to the Ubaid Sumerians than the Assyrians, because as Semitic people Assyrians are more related to the Semitic Levant people like the Jews. Assyrians are related to the Jews and Jews were NEVER native to the Northern Mesopotamia of directly related to the Sumerians.
Of course, Jews are native to the near east. But Assyrians are native to Mesopotamia. Just the same way Afghans are native to Afghanistan and Kurds to northern Iraq/Iran. Same races, different locations. And yes, numerous peoples can be native to one land. Yazidis have ties to Mesopotamia. But so do we. Why can't you accept this? At the end of the day, we are both tormented minorities under Islam. We should stand together.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on September 08, 2017, 10:24:51 AM
You are right that we are two different peoples or races, if you will. My point was, we are still more homogeneous to the Kurds and Iranian than say, Yemenis, Qataris and Moroccans, considering our location and vicinity to Iranid peoples. Of course, that's NOT to say that Assyrians and Kurds are the same peoples. Just the same way humans are more closer to chimps than gorillas, that doesn't mean humans are now chimps. You have this notion that language families equals race. If that's so then Assyrians should be racially akin to Nigerians or Ethiopians, because they speak an Afro-Asiatic language, like we do. There's no logic in that. Why? We were never enemies of you guys. Not to mention, our ancient empire sprawled all over that place.
Yeah, but Assyrians as a Semitic race are still closer to the Semites in the Levant than to Kurds (Medes) & Persians.

Assyrians are much more reelated in race, culture, language to people (Arabs/Semites) in let say Lebanon, than to Kurds. This is where you fail to understand.

Kurds and Persians have a total different roots. Our origins are totally different. We are Iranid (Aryan) people with our own culture, history, race and language. While Assyrians as Semitic people belong to a different group.


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Yes, you can have lands too, but why shouldn't we? Be fair, please. Why you're thinking like Sunni Kurds? You suffered under them. And so did we. Where should our native land be then?
Becasue there ae only 2 million Ezdi Kurds in the world. We need other Kurdish brothers to survive as a RACE. Non-Ezdi Kurds belong to the same race as Ezdi. They speak the same language as Ezdi. Most of those people were Ezdi at the first place. If Ezdi Kurds try to separate themselves from other non-Ezdi Kurds, than our enemies have won. Our enemies want to divide us and destroy our roots. If we keep saying to other non-Ezdi Kurds who they really are we will never unite. And united is what makes our race stronger.

All Kurds need to stay together and be united, because there are only 50 million Kurds, while there are much more enemies of Kurdish Aryan race around us!

I'm a PAN-Kurd and a Kurdish nationalist and I do support a pan-Kurdistan. I think in Meso-level and not in Micro-level. I see ALL Kurdistan as my homeland. Not just Shengal/Ezdixan but also Kirkuk, Qamishli, Afrin, Dersim, Amed, Wan, Mehabad etc. All those cities are my homeland.

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Of course, Jews are native to the near east. But Assyrians are native to Mesopotamia. Just the same way Afghans are native to Afghanistan and Kurds to northern Iraq/Iran. Same races, different locations. And yes, numerous peoples can be native to one land. Yazidis have ties to Mesopotamia. But so do we. Why can't you accept this? At the end of the day, we are both tormented minorities under Islam. We should stand together.
Your Assyrian ethnicity/identity evolved in Mesopotamia, but so do mine Aryan identity. My Ezdi Kuridsh ethnicity also evolved in the Northern Mesopotamia.

So, Assyrians are NOT more native to Mesopotamia than Kurds. You just can't claim land from the Kurds where Kurds are the majority. Because that land is our NATIVE homeland.


Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: nejepnerast on September 08, 2017, 09:38:59 PM
are you trying to insult me and other Assyrians by equating us with Arabs and Muhammad or are you talking about my Arguments against Islam thread?

i was not at all , putting the religion aside i do not think that you are any different that an arabs , a turk or a kurd . Do you think you are better ?  You see that is the problem these days , everyone think they are special and it is the root of all the problems in ME , because the moment you think this way you will start looking down at others and they will  think and do exactly like you .
I will be honest Assyrian are nobody in Iraq and no one give them even a consideration and mostly sterotyped as cowards due to their peaceful approach . The kurds are labled as stupid by arabs hence all the jokes on kurd even on this site . The kurds view arabs as uneducated hence the term Arabi papati (bear feet arabs ) and so on .

It is what we do today that matter and to create a society where everyone can live in peace demand that we respect and accept others . I know it is not easy , because we are all taught that we are superior , but that is the only way forward . 

I think I'm realizing what you're talking but it's goes way beyond history and civilization, you're talking human behavior at this point.Realistically, if you lived in a time where everybody was a jerk, you're telling me you wouldn't be a jerk as well? :)
Also, by todays standards, of course they were thugs but they didn't know what we know now.

ohh , finally you get me . My point is that they were all thugs and expanded their empire at the expense of other nation , so I do not get it when a kurd or arab or turk or assyrian takes pride at what their ancestors did and claim they were glorious people .
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: nejepnerast on September 08, 2017, 09:55:02 PM
Muhammad was a warlord who wanted to convert others violently. His followers do the same today. Stop justifying this atrocity.

I could not agree more , when did i justify his atrocity ?

Assyrians, whilst violent, were normal peoples who had barbaric laws as did ancient Romans, Greeks, Mayans.

lololol , Assyrian were normal peoples who had barbaric laws? Which is it ? They were all thugs and glorified criminals including my own ancestors . 

Be thankful that today, we are not like that. Today, your Muslim friends are more akin to ancient Assyrians.
Assyrian went from ninava plain all the way to Egypt slaughtering every man woman and child  and then Other powers in the region united and slaughtered every Assyrian man woman and child they could find . Tell me what exactly i should be grateful for  ? As for islam and mohamd i think have made my views clear on the matter .



Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on September 09, 2017, 03:37:43 AM
Yeah, but Assyrians as a Semitic race are still closer to the Semites in the Levant than to Kurds (Medes) & Persians.
I did not deny that we are closer to Levantines than to Kurds. Don't put words in my mouth.

But I deny the Semitic race, just as I do deny the Aryan race. Sorry, we have to agree to disagree here. You won't convince me.

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Assyrians are much more reelated in race, culture, language to people (Arabs/Semites) in let say Lebanon, than to Kurds. This is where you fail to understand.
Of course.

Again, did not deny that.

Morrocans, Egyptians and Qataris are NOT Levantines, and have little to no relations with us.

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Kurds and Persians have a total different roots. Our origins are totally different. We are Iranid (Aryan) people with our own culture, history, race and language. While Assyrians as Semitic people belong to a different group.
You say Aryan, I say Irano-Afghan. You say Semitic, I say Armenoid.

Again, let's agree to disagree.

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Becasue there ae only 2 million Ezdi Kurds in the world. We need other Kurdish brothers to survive as a RACE. Non-Ezdi Kurds belong to the same race as Ezdi. They speak the same language as Ezdi. Most of those people were Ezdi at the first place. If Ezdi Kurds try to separate themselves from other non-Ezdi Kurds, than our enemies have won. Our enemies want to divide us and destroy our roots. If we keep saying to other non-Ezdi Kurds who they really are we will never unite. And united is what makes our race stronger.
But your own Kurdish race are destroying you. Sunni Muslim Kurds. Ring a bell? Don't blame Assyrians.

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So, Assyrians are NOT more native to Mesopotamia than Kurds. You just can't claim land from the Kurds where Kurds are the majority. Because that land is our NATIVE homeland.
You just said we're native to Mesopotamia too! So of course, we'll need a land. Again, stop being so servile to Kurds when the majority of them want you dead for being a pagan Yazidi.

If the majority deserve rights and not the minority, then Yazidis shouldn't be given rights, because they're the minority too right? Lol.

Again, are you a Sunni Kurd in disguise? Are you a sockpuppet of that Kurdish user in here? You're getting way too obvious. Seriously.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on September 09, 2017, 04:10:08 AM
I could not agree more , when did i justify his atrocity ?
Before, when we had an argument about Christianity versus Islam, you put Mohammad within the same leagues of Jesus, when I told you that they're incomparable. Don't know about you, but this sort of appeases Muhammad and trivializes his barbaric ways. You said a couple of more questionable things, but I forgot. Refer to that thread.

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lololol , Assyrian were normal peoples who had barbaric laws? Which is it ? They were all thugs and glorified criminals including my own ancestors.
 
1. Lol at yourself. You're really comparing armies and brutish kings with Assyrian civilians, such as scientists, discoverers and inventors. You do realize that they didn't kill anybody and that they helped shaped the Assyrian society that we cherish today?
2. Except, your ancestors did it no more than 100 years ago (rather than 2500 years ago). Of course, there were innocent Kurds and Turks who wanted peace. Not denying that.

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Assyrian went from ninava plain all the way to Egypt slaughtering every man woman and child  and then Other powers in the region united and slaughtered every Assyrian man woman and child they could find . Tell me what exactly i should be grateful for  ? As for islam and mohamd i think have made my views clear on the matter .
Not grateful for that at all. I have admitted that our empire was brutal, but so were the Greeks, Romans, Brits, Mayans and whatnot. Time is a big factor - Wounds take generations of generations to heal, otherwise Egyptians would be hating our guts today if we, say, slaughtered them in 1850s. But guess what? Egyptians loathe Israelis/Jews today, because of the Suez Canal crisis in the 1950s. They don't care about what we did to them two millenias ago. Put time in perspective.

Again, there were Assyrian architects, inventors, artists, doctors, etc, who paved a way for our people and were innovators. They were the backbones of our society. Not all Assyrians of those times were barbaric slayers of women and children. Not all were soldiers. Keep that in mind.

About Mohammad and Islam, my point was that today some people still act like him. Whereas modern Assyrians, thankfully, don't portray their former, 2000 year old selves.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on September 09, 2017, 04:21:43 AM
I did not deny that we are closer to Levantines than to Kurds. Don't put words in my mouth.

But I deny the Semitic race, just as I do deny the Aryan race. Sorry, we have to agree to disagree here. You won't convince me.
Of course.

Again, did not deny that.

Morrocans, Egyptians and Qataris are NOT Levantines, and have little to no relations with us.
You say Aryan, I say Irano-Afghan. You say Semitic, I say Armenoid.
Assyrians are also closer to Northern Africa than Kurds. Assyrians are closer to Morrocans, Egyptians and Qataris than Kurds. This is a fact and you don't like it! Why are you closer to Arabs than Kurds? Because you have the same Semitic roots with those people. You share the same ancestors.

Irano-Afghan = an ARYAN race, period!

Call it Irano-Afghan, call it Iranid, call it West-Iranian Zagros,  call it Aryan, they mean all the same and refer to Aryan people.


Levant people as a race ARE Semitic people. They are mostly a mixture between Arabid and Assyrid race.


Arabid, Assyrid races are all the same and are part of the Semitic race.


Irano-Afghan, West Iranian Zagrosian = ARYAN race
Arabid, Assyrid = Semitic race


Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on September 09, 2017, 07:45:26 AM
Assyrians are also closer to Northern Africa than Kurds. Assyrians are closer to Morrocans, Egyptians and Qataris than Kurds. This is a fact and you don't like it! Why are you closer to Arabs than Kurds? Because you have the same Semitic roots with those people. You share the same ancestors.
Lmao. Because we speak the same language family? I got a better one - We're more closer to Nigerians and Somalians too, because they're an Afro-Asiatic peoples like us. Good logic.

We are actually more closer to Armenians than North Africans and Gulf Arabs. Kurds come next (doesn't mean they're of our race). And then the Levantine ethnic groups. Our tongue has nothing to do with anything!

Assyrians are native to Mesopotamia, genius. There's NO REASON why we would be related to North Africans. We would still be more homogeneous to Iranians and Kurds than to North Africans. Why are you disgusted? Go look at DNA charts. And I mean DNA charts that are not from 9000 years ago, when maybe we were akin to North Africans.

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Irano-Afghan = an ARYAN race, period!

Call it Irano-Afghan, call it Iranid, call it West-Iranian Zagros,  call it Aryan, they mean all the same and refer to Aryan people.
You can use Aryan as a synonym if you want. I don't care. For me, you are Iranid people in short.

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Levant people as a race ARE Semitic people. They are mostly a mixture between Arabid and Assyrid race.
At least you recognize the Assyrid race.

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Arabid, Assyrid races are all the same and are part of the Semitic race.
No such thing. There's more proof that an Armenoid race exists and that we all belong to it.

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Irano-Afghan, West Iranian Zagrosian = ARYAN race
Arabid, Assyrid = Semitic race
You use Semitic and Aryan to further some sort of a white supremacist agenda - I'm pretty sure Nazis used these terms to differentiate Germans (Aryans) and Jews (Semites). Stop emulating them. It's funny because you're western Asian and even less European than Assyrians are (who have Greek/Italian/Ashkenazim mix, but you know this). If an Afro-Asiatic race exists, then I would have east Africa in my DNA. But I do not.

There is a Levantine race. But not a Semitic race, since it's a friggin' language family. It's foolish and idiotic to put Egyptians and Moroccans with us, just because they speak a Semitic language.

Assyrians, Jews and Maronites, and to some extent, Jordanian and Syrian Christians definitely belong to our Levantine race. Gulf Arabs and North Africans do not. Why does that bother you?

P.S. Your gedmatch had Assyrian in it. Funny you're ignoring that....
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: nejepnerast on September 09, 2017, 11:19:17 AM
Before, when we had an argument about Christianity versus Islam, you put Mohammad within the same leagues of Jesus, when I told you that they're incomparable. Don't know about you, but this sort of appeases Muhammad and trivializes his barbaric ways. You said a couple of more questionable things, but I forgot. Refer to that thread.

I have an excellent memory :) and I stand by what i said , in my view Islam and Christianity are exactly the same and both books proves my point ? would you like some quotes ? How could me telling you they are the same makes me bias towards one ? just because you think one is better than the other means nothing to me as an atheist . I know as a christain you thing your religion is the true on despite the atrocities committed  , and muslims think the same way as you despite the atrocities committed . Mulsims and Christains killed more humans than all the world war combined and i do not get it how could that be a good thing !!! I want to draw a distinction here between Christianity and the fictional character of jesus , because they are not the same .
 
1. Lol at yourself. You're really comparing armies and brutish kings with Assyrian civilians, such as scientists, discoverers and inventors. You do realize that they didn't kill anybody and that they helped shaped the Assyrian society that we cherish today?

2. Except, your ancestors did it no more than 100 years ago (rather than 2500 years ago). Of course, there were innocent Kurds and Turks who wanted peace. Not denying that.
Not grateful for that at all. I have admitted that our empire was brutal, but so were the Greeks, Romans, Brits, Mayans and whatnot. Time is a big factor - Wounds take generations of generations to heal, otherwise Egyptians would be hating our guts today if we, say, slaughtered them in 1850s. But guess what? Egyptians loathe Israelis/Jews today, because of the Suez Canal crisis in the 1950s. They don't care about what we did to them two millenias ago. Put time in perspective.

Ok , so they we not Normal/barbaric  and i did not mean to laugh at you , but the statement was too contradictory  , so i could not help myself and stating they they were surrounded by Barbaric armies of greek and persian does not validate their barbarism . Before you get offended i will tell you that my ancestors were thugs too , so was the Assyrian and the egyptian . They were all thugs and glorified criminals , so there is really no need to defend them or validate their barbarism like you are doing . The end result was that the others did to Assyrian what assyrian  did to them and brought Assyrian to the edge of extinction .

Again, there were Assyrian architects, inventors, artists, doctors, etc, who paved a way for our people and were innovators. They were the backbones of our society. Not all Assyrians of those times were barbaric slayers of women and children. Not all were soldiers. Keep that in mind.

Come on and enough with this useless pride which is nothing more than a balloon . What was it exactly that Assyrian invented that other civilization did not ? what wisdom they gave to this world that other civilization did not ?

About Mohammad and Islam, my point was that today some people still act like him. Whereas modern Assyrians, thankfully, don't portray their former, 2000 year old selves.
lots of Good people are working on solution for islam as a disease  . The next stage will be make a spray that will De-IIslamasize .

(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/85/39/b1/8539b170741f31e543bf83d4ca12a632--islam-humour.jpg)
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on September 09, 2017, 02:53:30 PM
I have an excellent memory :) and I stand by what i said , in my view Islam and Christianity are exactly the same and both books proves my point ? would you like some quotes ? How could me telling you they are the same makes me bias towards one ? just because you think one is better than the other means nothing to me as an atheist . I know as a christain you thing your religion is the true on despite the atrocities committed  , and muslims think the same way as you despite the atrocities committed . Mulsims and Christains killed more humans than all the world war combined and i do not get it how could that be a good thing !!! I want to draw a distinction here between Christianity and the fictional character of jesus , because they are not the same .
You sound like the retarrds in the USA who think socialism or communism is better than capitalism.
They too think Islam and Christianity are the same, we call them Social Marxists and Americans like me credit them for Donald Trump's victory in the election.

Come on and enough with this useless pride which is nothing more than a balloon . What was it exactly that Assyrian invented that other civilization did not ? what wisdom they gave to this world that other civilization did not ?

luckily I have saved a list for this...

Farming.
Wheel.
Irrigation.
Seed Plow.
Ox Drawn Plow.
Mortar & Pestle.
Sickle & Flint Blade.
Domestication of Animals.
Dams.
Cultivation of Grains.
Levees.

Food:
Beer.
Wine.
Saffron.
Frying Pans.
Drinking Straws.

Mathematics:
Number 0.
24 Hours in a Day.
Longitude & Latitude.
60 minutes in an Hour.
Pythagorean Theorem.
360 Degrees in a Circle.
60 seconds in a Minute.

Science:
Zodiac.
Bleaching.
Astronomy.
Scuba Diving.
Medical Writing.
Formal Medicine.
Chemical Battery.
Medical Prescriptions.
Metalworking.
Anesthesia
Opium.
First brain surgery.

Architecture:
Arch.
Glass.
Dome.
Hearth.
Houses.
Column.
Fountain

City Building.
City.
Guest Houses.
Rosette Design.
Mailing System.
Urban Plumbing.
Archimedes' Screw.
Cobblestone Streets.
Bitumen.
Provinces.
Aqueduct.
Lock & Key.
Skyscrapers.
Chain Pump.

Entertainment:
Oud.
Song.
Harp.
Library.
Woodwinds
Sheet Music.
Creation Story.
Backgammon.
Mermaid Mythology.
First Superhero (Gilgamesh).
First Epic Novel (Gilgamesh).
Poetry.
concept of Zombies (undead that eat the flesh of the living)
concept of Vampires (blood sucking demons)

War:
Axe.
Spear.
Armor.
Helmet.
Dagger.
Lances.
Chariot.
Hammer.
early Greek Fire.
Use of Calvary.
Battering Rams.
Underwater Tunnel.
Movable Towers.
War Horse Decorations.
Incendiary arrows
Exploding pots (early grenades)

Miscellaneous:
Kiln.
Razor.
Sailboat.
First CEOs.
The Lens.
Judical Code of Laws.
First Writing System (Cuneiform).
1 of the 7 Wonders of the World.
Rose Quartz.
Soap.
concept of Federalism.
Funerary Objects.
Shaving Cream.
Map.
The Cart.
Umbrellas.
The First University (School of Nisibis).
Banknotes (drafts).
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: nejepnerast on September 09, 2017, 04:55:55 PM
You sound like the retarrds in the USA who think socialism or communism is better than capitalism.
They too think Islam and Christianity are the same, we call them Social Marxists and Americans like me credit them for Donald Trump's victory in the election.

Reply instead of throwing one of your ISM or IST or insults .

luckily I have saved a list for this...

Almost everyone claim this list  . Let me guess your response here :) they stole it from Assyrian right ? .
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on September 09, 2017, 05:13:21 PM
Reply instead of throwing one of your ISM or IST or insults .
I don't refute BS with more BS. I'm an IT guy, not a college professor. I like it quick and short

Almost everyone claim this list  . Let me guess your response here :) they stole it from Assyrian right ? .
true, anyone can claim anything, but if they have the archaeological evidence that says "we made/discovered this first" then I'll concede to that.

For example, Beer wasn't actually discovered by Sumerians BUT they get the credit for it because they were the first to document the recipe to make beer.

Here's a better, modern day example.

Let's say there's this folk song with variations of it across the Middle East. Kurds have their variation, Arabs theirs, Armenians theirs, Assyrians ours.
By general law and etiquette, whoever records the song on a playable medium first is credited (and maybe copyrighted) to them.
So if an Arab or Kurdish singer was the first to record it, the song is credited to them even though the song isn't theirs.

It's all about documentation. This is why we archive things and study them.

This is also the number 1 reason why I never use any kind of source material from the Middle East. Everybody there, even Assyrians who got PhDs there, got an inferior education unless they got that degree from a school in Europe, Australia, or NA.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on September 09, 2017, 06:42:35 PM
Lmao. Because we speak the same language family? I got a better one - We're more closer to Nigerians and Somalians too, because they're an Afro-Asiatic peoples like us. Good logic.

We are actually more closer to Armenians than North Africans and Gulf Arabs. Kurds come next (doesn't mean they're of our race). And then the Levantine ethnic groups. Our tongue has nothing to do with anything!
No way Assyrians are closer to the Kurds than they are to the Levant people as Arabs in Lebanon. You are the same people and belong to the same race. You language has everything to do with everything. It language betrayes your origin. You can claim whatever you want, but your language is a fact and will go nowhere. Your language is AFRO-Asiatic and it will like that FOREVER!
People will always know who you are because of your native language. And you are a Semites, because your native language is Semitic/Afro-Asiatic.

You have an inferiority complex, because you don't want to accept REALITY. It is what it is.


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Assyrians are native to Mesopotamia, genius. There's NO REASON why we would be related to North Africans. We would still be more homogeneous to Iranians and Kurds than to North Africans. Why are you disgusted? Go look at DNA charts. And I mean DNA charts that are not from 9000 years ago, when maybe we were akin to North Africans.
You are closer to Lebanese people and the Jews than to the Kurds.

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You can use Aryan as a synonym if you want. I don't care. For me, you are Iranid people in short.
At least you recognize the Assyrid race.
Yeah I'm Iranid. Iranid is the same thing as Aryan. Aryan = Iran. Aryan = Iranian (Iranid)

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No such thing. There's more proof that an Armenoid race exists and that we all belong to it.
I have NOTHING to do with Assyrians.

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You use Semitic and Aryan to further some sort of a white supremacist agenda - I'm pretty sure Nazis used these terms to differentiate Germans (Aryans) and Jews (Semites). Stop emulating them. It's funny because you're western Asian and even less European than Assyrians are (who have Greek/Italian/Ashkenazim mix, but you know this). If an Afro-Asiatic race exists, then I would have east Africa in my DNA. But I do not.
It is actually YOU who is obsessed with being white and obsessed with European. Because I do NEVER talk about the European or 'white' people.

It is YOU who always start to talk about them. I talks always about Sumerians and Aryans, while you talk always about 'white' people and Europeans. You are a Semite who is a WANNABE white person and WANNABE European.

You can think whatever you are, but you are NOT like me, and you are definitely NOT Iranid/Aryan


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There is a Levantine race. But not a Semitic race, since it's a friggin' language family. It's foolish and idiotic to put Egyptians and Moroccans with us, just because they speak a Semitic language.
Levantine race is a Semitic race, because ALL Semitic people have the Levant farmer DNA in them, the more Levant farmer DNA they have, the MORE Semites they are.


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Assyrians, Jews and Maronites, and to some extent, Jordanian and Syrian Christians definitely belong to our Levantine race. Gulf Arabs and North Africans do not. Why does that bother you?
You forgot Semitic Arabs from Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestina etc. All belong to the same race as you. They are all your people and you share all the same roots.

Assyrians, Arabs and Jews are all Semitic people. Your racial brother ARE Arabs, period.


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P.S. Your gedmatch had Assyrian in it. Funny you're ignoring that....
Not even in my top 15. And that was mostly because Assyrians have some Aryan/Ezdi Kurdish/Sumerian DNA in them...
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on September 09, 2017, 06:47:29 PM
You sound like the retarrds in the USA who think socialism or communism is better than capitalism.
They too think Islam and Christianity are the same, we call them Social Marxists and Americans like me credit them for Donald Trump's victory in the election.

luckily I have saved a list for this...

Farming.
Wheel.
Irrigation.
Seed Plow.
Ox Drawn Plow.
Mortar & Pestle.
Sickle & Flint Blade.
Domestication of Animals.
Dams.
Cultivation of Grains.
Levees.

Food:
Beer.
Wine.
Saffron.
Frying Pans.
Drinking Straws.

Mathematics:
Number 0.
24 Hours in a Day.
Longitude & Latitude.
60 minutes in an Hour.
Pythagorean Theorem.
360 Degrees in a Circle.
60 seconds in a Minute.

Science:
Zodiac.
Bleaching.
Astronomy.
Scuba Diving.
Medical Writing.
Formal Medicine.
Chemical Battery.
Medical Prescriptions.
Metalworking.
Anesthesia
Opium.
First brain surgery.

Architecture:
Arch.
Glass.
Dome.
Hearth.
Houses.
Column.
Fountain

City Building.
City.
Guest Houses.
Rosette Design.
Mailing System.
Urban Plumbing.
Archimedes' Screw.
Cobblestone Streets.
Bitumen.
Provinces.
Aqueduct.
Lock & Key.
Skyscrapers.
Chain Pump.

Entertainment:
Oud.
Song.
Harp.
Library.
Woodwinds
Sheet Music.
Creation Story.
Backgammon.
Mermaid Mythology.
First Superhero (Gilgamesh).
First Epic Novel (Gilgamesh).
Poetry.
concept of Zombies (undead that eat the flesh of the living)
concept of Vampires (blood sucking demons)

War:
Axe.
Spear.
Armor.
Helmet.
Dagger.
Lances.
Chariot.
Hammer.
early Greek Fire.
Use of Calvary.
Battering Rams.
Underwater Tunnel.
Movable Towers.
War Horse Decorations.
Incendiary arrows
Exploding pots (early grenades)

Miscellaneous:
Kiln.
Razor.
Sailboat.
First CEOs.
The Lens.
Judical Code of Laws.
First Writing System (Cuneiform).
1 of the 7 Wonders of the World.
Rose Quartz.
Soap.
concept of Federalism.
Funerary Objects.
Shaving Cream.
Map.
The Cart.
Umbrellas.
The First University (School of Nisibis).
Banknotes (drafts).
Does it feel good to be a thief and STEAL history from Sumerian Aryan people?

By stealing history doesn't make you great, because you are still the same Semite, but now a Semites who is also a thief.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on September 09, 2017, 11:19:03 PM
I have an excellent memory :) and I stand by what i said , in my view Islam and Christianity are exactly the same and both books proves my point ? would you like some quotes ? How could me telling you they are the same makes me bias towards one ? just because you think one is better than the other means nothing to me as an atheist . I know as a christain you thing your religion is the true on despite the atrocities committed  , and muslims think the same way as you despite the atrocities committed . Mulsims and Christains killed more humans than all the world war combined and i do not get it how could that be a good thing !!! I want to draw a distinction here between Christianity and the fictional character of jesus , because they are not the same .
Quoting the Old Testament will prove how Judaism is almost akin to Islam. The Old Testament is NOT the fundamental scripture of Christianity. And this is fact. Christianity's central figure is Jesus, and Islam's is Muhammad. Christians have killed a lot people in the past for sure. But today, they are not doing that. And no, the World Wars and Nazism had nothing to do Christianity, just the same way the Saddam regime had nothing to do with Islam. Christianity and Islam are not equally bad religions today (remember, the keyword is today). In the middle ages, sure, I will be saying that Christians are worse. Today is a different story. You surely have to admit this. It is fact. Otherwise you're just sympathizing and moderating Islam ("hey Islam, I know you're bad and all, but dw sweetie Christianity is also just like you"). ;)

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Ok , so they we not Normal/barbaric  and i did not mean to laugh at you , but the statement was too contradictory  , so i could not help myself and stating they they were surrounded by Barbaric armies of greek and persian does not validate their barbarism . Before you get offended i will tell you that my ancestors were thugs too , so was the Assyrian and the egyptian . They were all thugs and glorified criminals , so there is really no need to defend them or validate their barbarism like you are doing . The end result was that the others did to Assyrian what assyrian  did to them and brought Assyrian to the edge of extinction .
Yes, except I was defending our peaceful scholars, artists, educators, scientists. How could you call them barbaric and thuggish? That's like me saying all Kurds and Turks are savages because of what some of their ancestors did to us in 1914. It's too extreme, is it? You're thinking of ancient Assyrians the same way an old, ignorant, conservative Assyrian would think of Turks and Kurds. Don't go there, please. Again, you have to realize that Assyrian was a pluralistic society. It had brutal leaders, but also was a free society with innocent, hard-working civilians like you and I. Why are you denying that SIDE of Assyria? Same thing with ancient Greece, Persia, Rome. They also had good, prolific people too. You cannot trivialize them and throw them in the trash.

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Come on and enough with this useless pride which is nothing more than a balloon . What was it exactly that Assyrian invented that other civilization did not ? what wisdom they gave to this world that other civilization did not ?
You're being too cynical, are you not? It's okay to be proud of your ancestors and their societal living. The Chinese are, the Japs are, the Brits, Persians, Greeks, Macedonians, Italians, etc. You're going to have to convince 70% of the world to forget about their ancestors. Come on.

Sure, no civilization is more superior than the other. But it's nice to look back at your own people and be like "wow, I am so proud of their artwork, their architecture, etc". This is human nature. What are you going to tell us next, "don't like Assyrian music", "don't watch Hollywood movies", "boycott anime"? I'm pretty sure in a thousand years people will look back at these mediums and be in awe. You can't stop them.

Sorry, but I admire our architecture and artwork. NOT us killing people and pulverizing cities, of course. What is wrong with that?

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lots of Good people are working on solution for islam as a disease  . The next stage will be make a spray that will De-IIslamasize .

(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/85/39/b1/8539b170741f31e543bf83d4ca12a632--islam-humour.jpg)
Lol. We need like millions of these sprays.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on September 09, 2017, 11:54:06 PM
No way Assyrians are closer to the Kurds than they are to the Levant people as Arabs in Lebanon. You are the same people and belong to the same race. You language has everything to do with everything. It language betrayes your origin. You can claim whatever you want, but your language is a fact and will go nowhere. Your language is AFRO-Asiatic and it will like that FOREVER!
People will always know who you are because of your native language. And you are a Semites, because your native language is Semitic/Afro-Asiatic.

You have an inferiority complex, because you don't want to accept REALITY. It is what it is.
I made a mistake. I meant, Levantines are the closest, followed by Armenians and then, go a few light years ahead, Kurds.

Gulf Arabs and North Africans are not even in our vicinity.

And you are not European, just because your language is Indo-European.

And languages are not races. I think I know who has a inferiority complex. It's obviously you. According to your own logic, you should European and we should be African, because our language families have the words European and Afro in them, respectively. You are so pitiful.

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You are closer to Lebanese people and the Jews than to the Kurds.
100% true. Did not deny that (not counting the blunder I made above).

For me, Kurds, Iranians and Afghans (generally) look homogeneous and distinct. And they (usually) look nothing like Assyrians and Levantines, especially Afghans. So I agree with you here.

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It is actually YOU who is obsessed with being white and obsessed with European. Because I do NEVER talk about the European or 'white' people.
Coming from someone who is OBSESSED with saying that they're from the NORTH, being "ARYAN" and speaking an Indo-EUROPEAN language (as if it's a race), whilst looking "DOWN" at those who speak an Afro-Asiatic language (as if it's an African race) and thinking of them as they're African ("Afro-Asiatic" - a bona fide race). That all speaks volumes about you. You desperately want to be Nordic when you're not. You're being really discreet and subtle about it. But I can tell and see through your agenda. ;)

You have to be a troll now. I've stopped taking you seriously, especially when you're repeating the ridiculous idea that Afro-Asiatic is a race. Sorry bub, both Afro-Asiatic and Indo-European are not races. Not to sound harsh or break your spirit, you are more like Assyrians and Arabs than like other Indo-Europeans like the Germans and Irish. Ouch. That gotta hurt you.  :lol:

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It is YOU who always start to talk about them. I talks always about Sumerians and Aryans, while you talk always about 'white' people and Europeans. You are a Semite who is a WANNABE white person and WANNABE European.
Funny thing is, Semites are usually more whiter than Kurds and Iranians in general. And there are European Semites - the Maltese.

Again, you use Semite and Aryan because the Nazis used these terms to differentiate Middle Easterners and Nordics (as they had no other words). You think you sound superior, because it's the only way you can distinguish Assyrians and Kurds (one is Semitic speaking and the other is Indo-Aryan). Other than that, you know deep inside that both are Middle Eastern ethnic groups that even look the same to the foreign eye. As races, they are both obsolete terms. People will know us by Middle Eastern or western Asian. NOT Semitic, Aryan, Caucasian, etc. Must suck a lot, I know.

Again, try Armenoid. That has more scientific substance (and it's still BS to an extent). Not your language family.

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You can think whatever you are, but you are NOT like me, and you are definitely NOT Iranid/Aryan
Why do you talk like a troll? You sound like you're pretending to be someone else to make them look bad. Are you an Arab making Kurds look bad? A Kurd making Yazidis look bad? Honestly, you sound so insincere and over the top here ("you are not like me"). Come out, and quit being a fake

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Levantine race is a Semitic race, because ALL Semitic people have the Levant farmer DNA in them, the more Levant farmer DNA they have, the MORE Semites they are.
You're too ignorant that it's not funny. Ethiopians, Somalis, Moroccans, Algerians, all Semitic speaking, and they don't come from the Levant at all. Again, Levant farmers are modern day Syrians and Lebanese. Assyrians were always in Mesopotamia. If they were ever in the Levant, they just passed through it as they migrated out of Africa (just like you did).

Give me a source that says Assyrians were Levant farmers. And if they were, who cares, the Levant is adjacent to Mesopotamia. Btw, northern Iraq (Mesopotamia) is even considered to be part of the greater Levant region. So go figure.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/The_Levant_3.png)

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You forgot Semitic Arabs from Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestina etc. All belong to the same race as you. They are all your people and you share all the same roots.

Assyrians, Arabs and Jews are all Semitic people. Your racial brother ARE Arabs, period.
Wrong. We are NOT like all Arabs from Iraq and Syria, especially the Muslim ones who have Saudi ancestry. Just the same way you are not akin to Afghans who have Mongoloid in them. You are still more like an Assyrian than that Afghani person with an epicanthal fold.

Assyrian, Arabs and Jews are Semitic-speaking you dimwit. Not a race for the billionth time. Stop your foolish trolling. Again, you're obviously a fake account with an agenda. You cannot be real.

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Not even in my top 15. And that was mostly because Assyrians have some Aryan/Ezdi Kurdish/Sumerian DNA in them...
God forbid you have a Semitic ethnicity in you! Must really suck. Oh I thought you we are NOTHING like you. But I guess not now huh?

P.S It wasn't top 15. It was more like top 12. Don't lie bub. Assyrian was up there. Why? Because ethnic groups are a continuum. The more east you go the more Iranid you'll be and the more west you are the more Mediterranean and North African you will be. But for you it's all black and white.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on September 10, 2017, 08:19:43 AM
Original Assyrians, your direct Semitc ancestors were like the Levant_BA (Levant Bronze Age). Because modern day people in Lebanon are very, very similar, almost identical to the Levant_BA.

Assyrians, Lebanese are almost the same and belong to the same Afro-Asiatic race. And here can you see how much Neolithic Levant Farmer DNA those Levant_BA do have. Neolithic Levant Farmer DNA is till the MAJORITY in your genepool. That makes YOUR race Semitic. Period!!!
Yellow is Neolithic Levant Farmer, orange is Neolithic Iran Farmer. Kurds, at least my DNA, is very similar to the Iran_CHL (Iran Copper Age).

As you can see I've got more of the orange (Iranian) auDNA, while you have more the yellow (Semitic) auDNA. That makes my Aryan race different from your Semitic race. We are absolutely NOT the same!!

Kurds = Iran_CHL
Assyrians = Levant_BA


(https://s26.postimg.org/odwrzl06h/image.png)


They found out that Arabs in Lebanon are identical to the Bronze Age Levant people. This is a scientific FACT:

http://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(17)30276-8 (http://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(17)30276-8)

" Based on this study it turns out that people who lived in Lebanon almost 4,000 years ago were quite similar to people who lived there today, to the modern Lebanese. "

Semitic Assyrians are like the modern Semitic Arab Lebanese. Assyrians & Arabs are ALL the same and belong to the same SEMITIC race. You like it or not. And now we have scientific FACTS that your people are connected to the Levant. Your people have nothing to do with the ARYAN Mesopotamian civilization in Northern Mesopotamia. Semites are destroyers and not builders.

Semites are just good at copy/paste. They never invented anything. Assyrians, Jews, Arabs only copy from others and and say they invented it, LMAO. This is how Semites are, they are thieves. Your Assyrian people are trying to steal the ARYAN history of Northern Mesopotamia, but as long my true ARYAN people exist on this planet it will never happen. Everybody knows that ARYAN history of the Northern Mesopotamia belongs to the ARYAN (West Iranid) people the Kurds. Once again, ARYAN Kurds are native to the ZAGROS Mountains and the NORTH Mesopotamia. NOT from the Levant, not from Europe. But from the Northern Mesopotamia, Zagros = the IRANIAN PLATEAU.



Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on September 10, 2017, 11:44:16 PM
LMAO, our Aryan language is NOT from Europe at all and has always been native in Kurdistan. While Afro-Asiatic language can be from (Eastern) Africa. We still are not sure, whether Semitic evolved int he Southern Levant, near Yemen or in Eastern Africa.
You're right that we don't know where the Semitic language evolved from. But if it did evolve in Eastern Africa (which I doubt), that doesn't mean we are an eastern African race you simpleton. Heard of language adaptations? We adopted the Semitic languages. Just the same way we adopted Aramaic. Does that mean we're friggin' Arameans now? Lol. You're so vacant-minded. Read between the lines a bit?

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You see ghosts. You see things because you want to see this things. You see this kind of things because YOU are obsessed with kind of things.
Coming from a Nazi wannabe who puts Aryan and Semitic a million times in his posts to show how "superior" he is, when he is NOT that different to Semites visually and culturally. Lol.

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While should I be something if I'm, my culture and my race are superior to other races. My Aryan race is superior to the European race. When my Aryan race found civilization, people in Europe were cannibals.
Napoleon syndrome at its finest. Europe was prospering and flourishing with civilizations whilst you were mountain dwellers. Just saying.

Again, you're a troll. You gotta be a sockpuppet of another Kurdish user in here who wants to make Yazidis look bad. You are so inauthentic. You gotta be an act.

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Good for you if you think that your Afro-Asiatic. Semitic people are whiter than Aryans. All what I'm sure about that my ARYAN ancestors have always been looking  like my current race. The Sumerians, the Medes etc. were IRANID of Aryan race like Kurds.
And Kurds look no different to Assyrians and Arabs to the foreign eye. Lol. You are so pathetic. Keep on trolling. Even your fellow Kurds here think you're a joke.
 
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Assyrians and some Arabs ae somehow closer to Kurds because my Aryan people spread their DNA in the whole world. Some Arabs have maybe up to 10% of our Aryan DNA. But that 10% of our DNA doesn't make them like us, because they are still Semitic and have their own Semitic roots.
No such thing as Aryan DNA. Dimwit. You also have Arab/Assyrian DNA anyway. Lmao.

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one again, LMAO.  Once again, Aryans are not and were NEVER 'Nordic' or European to start with. When my Aryan people found the FIRST Aryan Empire. people in Northern Europe especially Slavic people were subhumans like monkeys. They were cannibals, read the ancient writings of the Greek writers. My Aryan people were always more evolved in their thinking and culture than Semitic people or people in Europe.
At least today they've evolved immensely, whilst some of your Iranid peoples have DEVOLVED. Terrorism, genital mutilation, wife beatings, wife burning, forced burkas, public hanging of gays, child marriage, etc. Look at your Iran and Afghanistan you BLIND man first. Look at your "HUMANE" Iranid brothers and then call other people inferior! Iranians, Kurds and Afghans have done the most harshest things in recent history, even to Yazidis. Go on, keep defending them and their "purity".

But you're obviously not a Yazidi. You're a Sunni Kurd. So who am I talking to...

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You are a Semites and belong to a Semitic race, because your DIRECT ancestors where you got your language from were Semitic. You are like your ancestors. And your ancestors belonged to a Afro-Asiatic Semitic race.
Still doesn't make you European. Try harder.

You are Middle Eastern. You are western Asian. What sets up apart from other Middle Easterners is your TONGUE. But nothing else. Deal with it.

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You share the same Semitic roots with Jews and Arabs. You history and roots are like their history and roots. That makes you the same Semitic people who belong to the same Semitic race.
Risible trolling again. Of course, Assyrians are racially homogeneous to Yemenis and Somalis, because Semitic = DUH!

Also, Jamaicans are Indo-European peoples because they speak English = DUH!

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Your language and race is from the same area where the Neolithic Levant Farmers were from area between East Africa and South West Asia. You language betrays your roots and your roots are Semitic Afro-Asiatic. Roots of your race are Afro-Asiatic/Semitic. Your race is Semitic

My roots are from the Iranian Plateau, the Aryan Zagros Mountains were the Neolithic proto-Aryan Iranian Farmers were from. My language is from the Iranian Plateau, Zagros, that why my race is from the Iranian Plateau/Zagros. That makes my race Iranid aka ARYAN. Iranid and ARYAN are same words that have the same meaning. Iranian/Iranid and Aryan sound a little bit different because these words are from different dialects.

I - R - A - N - I - A  = A - R - Y - A


(West) Iranid = ARYAN and Aryan = (West) Iranid



Original Assyrians, your direct Semitc ancestors were like the Levant_BA (Levant Bronze Age). Because modern day people in Lebanon are very, very similar, almost identical to the Levant_BA.

Assyrians, Lebanese are almost the same and belong to the same Afro-Asiatic race.


Kurds, at least my DNA, is very similar to the Iran_CHL (Iran Copper Age).

And here can you see how much Neolithic Levant Farmer DNA those Levant_BA do have.

Neolithic Levant Farmer DNA is till the MAJORITY in your genepool. That makes YOUR race Semitic. Period!!!

Yellow is Neolithic Levant Farmer, orange is Neolithic Iran Farmer.


As you can see I've got more of the orange (Iranian) auDNA, while you have more the yellow (Semitic) auDNA. That makes my Aryan race different from your Semitic race. We are absolutely NOT the same!!

Kurds = Iran_CHL
Assyrians = Levant_BA


(https://s26.postimg.org/odwrzl06h/image.png)

You obtuse, irrational fool, where is Assyrian in your charts? You want us to be with Levantines because that's your biased agenda. These charts don't categorize Assyrian under Levantine. But you DO see charts putting us under Armenoid, with Armenians and Lebanese people - But you must hate those because they go against your Afro-Asiatic versus Aryan agenda. And again, YOUR CHARTS are based from 9000 years ago when Assyrians didn't exist (Lol) - It's the best you can do. You're so pathetic. Find something more recent or shut your ignoramus trolling trap.

Try again with your charts. I'll sit and wait here. Your trolling attempt has now has gone below 0. You were at least more coherent and rational before. But feel free to continue this BS. I have indulged you too much, but you are becoming funnier and funnier, my Indo-"European" friend.

P.S. Sorry, Aryan is Sanskrit for "noble one". It's a culture of India. Has nothing to do with Kurds. You are Indo-Iranian or Iranid. You can use Aryan to identify yourself but you'll look stupid since that term is affiliated with Germanic people more TODAY. Sucks for ya, I guess. Above all, you are still MIDDLE EASTERN and everyone outside will SEE YOU AS SUCH. :giggle:
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on September 11, 2017, 04:42:51 AM
LMAO, are you still keep talking about 'Europe', while I do talk about ARYANS and the Iranian Plateau all the time. OMG, you Assyrians and your Semitic race people are obsessed with Europe and the 'white' people that you defend them. You act like black Africans who are also obsessed with 'white' people. Maybe you try to act like 'white' person, but Assyians are not 'white' Europeans. And that hurts. So you do attack the true ARYAN people FROM the Iranian Plateau, Zagros Mountains and Northern Mesopotamia, the ARYAN Kurds.

Your obsession with 'white' people and skin colour is similar with the obsession of Black African with the 'white' people. Maybe it is because of your AFRO-Asiaitc roots. Maybe everybody with AFRO in their roots is obessed with colour 'white'?

Indo-European doesn't mean European, lol. Indans are also Indo-Europeans. INDO - European means actually area between India and Europe. And Kurdistan is exactly between India and Europe. Maybe you don't know the meaning of ‘INDO’???

Assyrians are not Armenoid people. You are a wannabe 'white' persona and also a wannabe 'Armenoid' person. Maybe some Assyrians are a MIXED race and are partly Armenoid. But Assyrians are Arabid and Assyrid. Assyrid itself is a mixed race between Arabid & Armenoid. But Assyrians are not fully Armenoid. PERIOD!

Assyrians are NOT ARYAN people and so you are not like me. As long you don't try to claim the same roots, it's okay for me if you want to be 'white' or even Armenia, lmao!


Assyrians belong to the same race as Semitic, Arabic Lebanese people. You are all the same. Assyrians are like the Lebanese ARABS. You ae CLOSER to the Arabs than to the Armenians. You have some connection with Armenians due to some Ancient Anatolian DNA. And now they found out that Arabs in Lebanon are identical to the Bronze Age Levant people. Here is a scientific FACT:

http://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(17)30276-8 (http://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(17)30276-8)

" Based on this study it turns out that people who lived in Lebanon almost 4,000 years ago were quite similar to people who lived there today, to the modern Lebanese. "

Assyrians are like Arabs from Lebanon, that means that Assyrians are still closer to their origin in the Levant and the Arabian Pensula that to the Mesopotamia, no matter how mixed race you are and how much you are mixed with the Anatolian people, aka Armenians.

Now, I see it, lol. You are also a wannabe Armenian, LMAO. I feel sorry for you, beacue youa re the only race on this planet who wants to be Armenian. LOL.


No matter how hard you try, I'm still an ARYAN. My race is ARYAN, my language is ARYAN, my religion is ARYAN, my culture is ARYAN.

My ARYAN ancestors gave to the human race much, much more than any other race on this planet.


But you have still to determine what you are. You have an IDENITY CRISES. You wannabe 'white' person and even a wannabe Armenian. Why do you hate your Semitic so much? With self hating you will not achieve anything. You ae who you are, you can't change it. Just accept it and make the best of it. You belong to a AFRO-Asiatic race, just time to move on and make the best of it..



Original Assyrians, your direct Semitc ancestors were like the Levant_BA (Levant Bronze Age). Because modern day people in Lebanon are very, very similar, almost identical to the Levant_BA.

Assyrians, Lebanese are almost the same and belong to the same Afro-Asiatic race. And here can you see how much Neolithic Levant Farmer DNA those Levant_BA do have. Neolithic Levant Farmer DNA is till the MAJORITY in your genepool. That makes YOUR race Semitic. Period!!!
Yellow is Neolithic Levant Farmer, orange is Neolithic Iran Farmer. Kurds, at least my DNA, is very similar to the Iran_CHL (Iran Copper Age).

As you can see I've got more of the orange (Iranian) auDNA, while you have more the yellow (Semitic) auDNA. That makes my Aryan race different from your Semitic race. We are absolutely NOT the same!!

Kurds = Iran_CHL
Assyrians = Levant_BA


(https://s26.postimg.org/odwrzl06h/image.png)


They found out that Arabs in Lebanon are identical to the Bronze Age Levant people. This is a scientific FACT:

http://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(17)30276-8 (http://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(17)30276-8)

" Based on this study it turns out that people who lived in Lebanon almost 4,000 years ago were quite similar to people who lived there today, to the modern Lebanese. "

Semitic Assyrians are like the modern Semitic Arab Lebanese. Assyrians & Arabs are ALL the same and belong to the same SEMITIC race. You like it or not. And now we have scientific FACTS that your people are connected to the Levant. Your people have nothing to do with the ARYAN Mesopotamian civilization in Northern Mesopotamia. Semites are destroyers and not builders.

Semites are just good at copy/paste. They never invented anything. Assyrians, Jews, Arabs only copy from others and and say they invented it, LMAO. This is how Semites are, they are thieves. Your Assyrian people are trying to steal the ARYAN history of Northern Mesopotamia, but as long my true ARYAN people exist on this planet it will never happen. Everybody knows that ARYAN history of the Northern Mesopotamia belongs to the ARYAN (West Iranid) people the Kurds. Once again, ARYAN Kurds are native to the ZAGROS Mountains and the NORTH Mesopotamia. NOT from the Levant, not from Europe. But from the Northern Mesopotamia, Zagros = the IRANIAN PLATEAU.




Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on September 12, 2017, 10:32:54 AM
LMAO, are you still keep talking about 'Europe', while I do talk about ARYANS and the Iranian Plateau all the time. OMG, you Assyrians and your Semitic race people are obsessed with Europe and the 'white' people that you defend them. You act like black Africans who are also obsessed with 'white' people. Maybe you try to act like 'white' person, but Assyians are not 'white' Europeans. And that hurts. So you do attack the true ARYAN people FROM the Iranian Plateau, Zagros Mountains and Northern Mesopotamia, the ARYAN Kurds.

Lol "Semitic" and "Aryan" yet again. Nobody even cares about these terms, nor where your "Aryan" Kurds come from... :lol:

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Your obsession with 'white' people and skin colour is similar with the obsession of Black African with the 'white' people. Maybe it is because of your AFRO-Asiaitc roots. Maybe everybody with AFRO in their roots is obessed with colour 'white'?

Your obsession with 'Aryan' people is similar with the obsession of other Iranians with the 'white' people. Maybe it is because of your IRANID roots. Maybe everybody with Iranid in their roots is obsessed with colour 'white'? And they are:  :giggle:

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Indo-European doesn't mean European, lol. Indans are also Indo-Europeans. INDO - European means actually area between India and Europe. And Kurdistan is exactly between India and Europe. Maybe you don't know the meaning of ‘INDO’???

Lol. Georgians are between India and Europe too and they don't speak Indo-European languages. They speak a Kartvelian language. I'm betting they're of a "Kartvelian race" to you now? :giggle:

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Assyrians are not Armenoid people. You are a wannabe 'white' persona and also a wannabe 'Armenoid' person. Maybe some Assyrians are a MIXED race and are partly Armenoid. But Assyrians are Arabid and Assyrid. Assyrid itself is a mixed race between Arabid & Armenoid. But Assyrians are not fully Armenoid. PERIOD!

Assyrians are an Armenoid race, including Palestinians, Lebanese and a few Iranians. You are just jealous and vexed that it goes against your Semitic vs Aryan agenda.  :wavetowel:

There is no such thing as Semitic and Aryan races. Just let go of your fantasies or stop confusing language families with races. Oh wait, you never comprehended that before. I forgot that you are dense and obtuse. Yes, every language family is a race. Just like all the language families in North America and Australia. All Native Americans and Australian aboriginals have different races because hundreds of language families exist within the native tongues of those continents.  :mrgreen:

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Assyrians are NOT ARYAN people and so you are not like me. As long you don't try to claim the same roots, it's okay for me if you want to be 'white' or even Armenia, lmao!

The awkward moment when Armenians are not even white/Euro. They are west Asian people, and they are the most racially homogeneous people to us. Love how this makes you burn and weep. :roflmao:

Assyrians, Armenians, Jews, Phoenicians, Sumerians, Syrians and Lebanese people are all of the same race. You, Iranians, Afghans, Pakistanis are something else, and have origins to the east. Go figure.

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Assyrians belong to the same race as Semitic, Arabic Lebanese people. You are all the same. Assyrians are like the Lebanese ARABS. You ae CLOSER to the Arabs than to the Armenians. You have some connection with Armenians due to some Ancient Anatolian DNA. And now they found out that Arabs in Lebanon are identical to the Bronze Age Levant people. Here is a scientific FACT:

[url]http://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(17)30276-8[/url] ([url]http://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(17)30276-8)[/url]

*Cough* Look at how "pure" Kurds and Iranians are. You guys have like every Eurasian ethnicity in you. Lol.

" Based on this study it turns out that people who lived in Lebanon almost 4,000 years ago were quite similar to people who lived there today, to the modern Lebanese. "

Lol. Because a study of Lebanese people (from 4,000 years ago) is also clearly speaking about Assyrians. How could I not know?  :bangin:

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Assyrians are like Arabs from Lebanon, that means that Assyrians are still closer to their origin in the Levant and the Arabian Pensula that to the Mesopotamia, no matter how mixed race you are and how much you are mixed with the Anatolian people, aka Armenians.

"Arabian peninsula". Lol. Troll more. Actually, go further. Say we're Eastern Africans whilst at it. Shows that you suffer from inferior complexity and want all races near you to be of "lesser" races (in your eyes that is), when that it isn't the case. But of course, I'm the white wannabe.  :lol:

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Now, I see it, lol. You are also a wannabe Armenian, LMAO. I feel sorry for you, beacue youa re the only race on this planet who wants to be Armenian. LOL.

Who wouldn't. Peaceful people, hard-working, friendly, etc - So unlike modern Iranid people who have caused terrorism, genital mutilation, women degrading, gay executions... Not to mention that MODERN charts agree that we are INCREDIBLY SIMILAR to them. So that's not me talking.

(http://i.imgur.com/LWseQkb.jpg)

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But you have still to determine what you are. You have an IDENITY CRISES. You wannabe 'white' person and even a wannabe Armenian. Why do you hate your Semitic so much? With self hating you will not achieve anything. You ae who you are, you can't change it. Just accept it and make the best of it. You belong to a AFRO-Asiatic race, just time to move on and make the best of it..

I love my Semitic language, as we are one of the oldest language families in the world (after our older Sumerian language isolate). But a language group is not a race you simpleton. Just the same way I love my mum and I'm proud of her, that doesn't mean I also see her in a sexual way and yet get called "you're ashamed" for not doing so. Lol. That's how retarded your thinking is. :roflmao:

But your trolling is amazing. You NOW think Afro-Asiatic is a race, and yet you're quiet about Indo-European being a race (even though deep inside you believe it Lol). Can you be more funnier? Come out, man. Don't keep a bro hanging. What are you? Arab? Sunni Kurdish? Or something else that I wouldn't suspect? You're funny and entertaining, I give you that.

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Semitic Assyrians are like the modern Semitic Arab Lebanese. Assyrians & Arabs are ALL the same and belong to the same SEMITIC race. You like it or not. And now we have scientific FACTS that your people are connected to the Levant. Your people have nothing to do with the ARYAN Mesopotamian civilization in Northern Mesopotamia. Semites are destroyers and not builders.

Semites are just good at copy/paste. They never invented anything. Assyrians, Jews, Arabs only copy from others and and say they invented it, LMAO. This is how Semites are, they are thieves. Your Assyrian people are trying to steal the ARYAN history of Northern Mesopotamia, but as long my true ARYAN people exist on this planet it will never happen. Everybody knows that ARYAN history of the Northern Mesopotamia belongs to the ARYAN (West Iranid) people the Kurds. Once again, ARYAN Kurds are native to the ZAGROS Mountains and the NORTH Mesopotamia. NOT from the Levant, not from Europe. But from the Northern Mesopotamia, Zagros = the IRANIAN PLATEAU.

Aryan, Semite, Aryan, Semite, Aryan, Semite....

Hey look, I'm a culturally confused, land-stealing Kurd who think he's a Nazi.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on September 12, 2017, 02:57:42 PM
Lol "Semitic" and "Aryan" yet again. Nobody even cares about these terms, nor where your "Aryan" Kurds come from... :lol:
I do care. And it is what matters to me. This kind of division makes me think clear. Kurds are from Northern Mesopotamia/Zagros Mountains. While Assyrians are from the Levant & the Arabian Peninsula.

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Your obsession with 'Aryan' people is similar with the obsession of other Iranians with the 'white' people. Maybe it is because of your IRANID roots. Maybe everybody with Iranid in their roots is obsessed with colour 'white'? And they are:  :giggle:
I am NOT responsible what other think say and do.

I will use the word ARYAN because it is part of me. It is part of my history. It is me. Aryan is what I am. Therefore I will use this word every time I can. I'm not ashamed of it and never be. I'm proud of it and I'm proud that I'm, like my ancestors were, part of the ARYAN history and civilization. As long as I do exists and as long as my people exist, the word ARYAN will be used.

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Lol. Georgians are between India and Europe too and they don't speak Indo-European languages. They speak a Kartvelian language. I'm betting they're of a "Kartvelian race" to you now? :giggle:
There are maybe MAX 4 million Georgians. Kurdistan is more in the CENTER than Georgian. But it doesn't even matter. This doesn't not make any difference to what language Kurds speak or to what race Kurds do belong and Kurds speak an Aryan language and belong to an ARYAN race.

Btw, Georgians are ARYAN, because they have a lot Neolithic Iranian Plateau DNA in them. The Neolithic Iranian Plateau auDNA is dominant in Georgians.

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Assyrians are an Armenoid race, including Palestinians, Lebanese and a few Iranians. You are just jealous and vexed that it goes against your Semitic vs Aryan agenda.  :wavetowel:

There is no such thing as Semitic and Aryan races. Just let go of your fantasies or stop confusing language families with races. Oh wait, you never comprehended that before. I forgot that you are dense and obtuse. Yes, every language family is a race.
Assyrians are Assyrid and Arabid, while Palestinians and Lebanese are just Arabid.

Semitic is a language group but ALSO a race because ALL Semites have the same ROOTS. Like ARYAN is a language group, but also a race.

Semitic = race & language
Aryan = race & language

Assyrians are the CLOSEST related to the Arabs in the Levant, like Lebanese Arab Christians & Muslim. Why? Because you are from the same URHEIMAT and from the same genepool. Assyrians belong to the same Semitic race because ancestors of the Assyrians were Semitic tribes. You language group IS your race, because you ALL share the same origin, deep roots.

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Lol. Because a study of Lebanese people (from 4,000 years ago) is also clearly speaking about Assyrians. How could I not know?  :bangin:
Thanks for your input, but your charts are not scientific at all and NOT based on scientific papers. I don't where those samples are form and from what kind of 'population' (N). Also your charts are not detailed and NOT specified.

I showed you the ACADEMIC distribution of auDNA. I'm always using the ACADEMIC papers and source as my argumentation about human DNA.

The closest relatives to Assyrians are Arabs from the Levant, Iraq and Syria. The closest people to Assyrians are the Semitic Lebanese people. And we have now EVIDENCE that modern Lebanese people are similar to their ancient SEMTIC ancestors 4000 years ago. The DNA of Lebanese people is still very Semitic. Assyrians are similar to the Lebanese Semitic people. You cluster together, that's why you should search for your roots in the Levant.

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But your trolling is amazing. You NOW think Afro-Asiatic is a race, and yet you're quiet about Indo-European being a race (even though deep inside you believe it Lol). Can you be more funnier? Come out, man. Don't keep a bro hanging. What are you? Arab? Sunni Kurdish? Or something else that I wouldn't suspect? You're funny and entertaining, I give you that.
Don't put words in my mouth. Semitic is a race, because you all share the same deep roots and the same origin/ancestors. You are all from the same URHEIMAT.

European is NOT a race, since in Europe live many different races.
Like Asian is not a race, since in Asia live many different races.

And I do talk about Iranid race aka the Aryans. Europeans are NOT 1 race and definitely NOT Aryans at all, only Iranians who belong to an IRANID race (Medes & Persians) are ARYAN. Ancient Greeks, Germanic race tribes, Celtic race tribes, Slavic race tribes were NEVER Aryans and never called themselves Aryans. Greek historians never called themselves Aryans, the Roman Empire never called itself Aryan etc. Their ancestors were NEVER Aryans. Aryans were NOT from Europe, but from the Iranian Plateau. Europeans don't have much of the ARYAN 'Iranian Plateau' DNA.
Indians are not Aryans. True, Aryans from BMAC invaded India, but Indians have to much South Asian (Dravidian) auDNA. Indians don't have much of the Iranian Plateau auDNA left in them.

Kurds belong to an Aryan race, because our language is Aryan. And the native language of our ancestors was also ARYAN. Kurds belong to an Aryan race, becaus Kurds are genetically connected to Northern Mesopotamia/Zagros/Iranian Plateau which was also the native homeland of the ancient Aryans the Medes.

Actually, speaking of Georgians, Georgians today don't speak Aryan. But they do belong to an Aryan race. Georgians tribes like Colchis were for thousands of years under infleucne of the Aryan tribes. Ask Georgians if you don't believe, it has been said sad many Georgian 'Eastern' tribes came originally from the Iranian Plateau.

" Eastern Georgia, throughout its history, has been several times been annexed by the Persian Empire, specifically under the Achaemenid, Parthian, Sassanid, Safavid, Afsharid and Qajar dynasties. Western Georgia, throughout its history had been annexed by the Persian Achaemenids, Sassanids and Afsharids. Due to this, there has been a lot of political, cultural and ethnic exchange between the two nations for thousands of years, and thus Georgia was and is often considered a part of Greater Iran "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia%E2%80%93Iran_relations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia%E2%80%93Iran_relations)

History of Iranian-Georgian Relations

http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/georgia-ii-history- (http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/georgia-ii-history-)

Remember that there are 4 million Georgians while more than 100 million Aryans (West Iranids).

Aryans are ancient people who are NATIVE to the Iranian Plateau and are full of Neolithic Iranian Plateau auDNA. Aryans were those who build the first villages, cities, had the first urban laws, civil societies etc. Aryans gave birth to the human civilization. Because of Aryans the cultures in the Mesopotamia, Indus Valley flourished.



You SEMITIC race people are acting like our Aryan Kurdish worst enemies and when you act like our enemies you will be threated like our worst enemies. You are the same as Turks who deny Kurdish race. And therefore if you will not watch out you will be threated like Turks by my Aryan people...


Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on September 12, 2017, 04:36:56 PM
I do care. And it is what matters to me. This kind of division makes me think clear. Kurds are from Northern Mesopotamia/Zagros Mountains. While Assyrians are from the Levant & the Arabian Peninsula.
I am NOT responsible what other think say and do.

I will use the word ARYAN because it is part of me. It is part of my history. It is me. Aryan is what I am. Therefore I will use this word every time I can. I'm not ashamed of it and never be. I'm proud of it and I'm proud that I'm, like my ancestors were, part of the ARYAN history and civilization. As long as I do exists and as long as my people exist, the word ARYAN will be used.
There are maybe MAX 4 million Georgians. Kurdistan is more in the CENTER than Georgian. But it doesn't even matter. This doesn't not make any difference to what language Kurds speak or to what race Kurds do belong and Kurds speak an Aryan language and belong to an ARYAN race.

Btw, Georgians are ARYAN, because they have a lot Neolithic Iranian Plateau DNA in them. The Neolithic Iranian Plateau auDNA is dominant in Georgians.
Assyrians are Assyrid and Arabid, while Palestinians and Lebanese are just Arabid.

Semitic is a language group but ALSO a race because ALL Semites have the same ROOTS. Like ARYAN is a language group, but also a race.

Semitic = race & language
Aryan = race & language

Assyrians are the CLOSEST related to the Arabs in the Levant, like Lebanese Arab Christians & Muslim. Why? Because you are from the same URHEIMAT and from the same genepool. Assyrians belong to the same Semitic race because ancestors of the Assyrians were Semitic tribes. You language group IS your race, because you ALL share the same origin, deep roots.
Thanks for your input, but your charts are not scientific at all and NOT based on scientific papers. I don't where those samples are form and from what kind of 'population' (N). Also your charts are not detailed and NOT specified.

I showed you the ACADEMIC distribution of auDNA. I'm always using the ACADEMIC papers and source as my argumentation about human DNA.

The closest relatives to Assyrians are Arabs from the Levant, Iraq and Syria. The closest people to Assyrians are the Semitic Lebanese people. And we have now EVIDENCE that modern Lebanese people are similar to their ancient SEMTIC ancestors 4000 years ago. The DNA of Lebanese people is still very Semitic. Assyrians are similar to the Lebanese Semitic people. You cluster together, that's why you should search for your roots in the Levant.
Don't put words in my mouth. Semitic is a race, because you all share the same deep roots and the same origin/ancestors. You are all from the same URHEIMAT.

European is NOT a race, since in Europe live many different races.
Like Asian is not a race, since in Asia live many different races.

And I do talk about Iranid race aka the Aryans. Europeans are NOT 1 race and definitely NOT Aryans at all, only Iranians who belong to an IRANID race (Medes & Persians) are ARYAN. Ancient Greeks, Germanic race tribes, Celtic race tribes, Slavic race tribes were NEVER Aryans and never called themselves Aryans. Greek historians never called themselves Aryans, the Roman Empire never called itself Aryan etc. Their ancestors were NEVER Aryans. Aryans were NOT from Europe, but from the Iranian Plateau. Europeans don't have much of the ARYAN 'Iranian Plateau' DNA.
Indians are not Aryans. True, Aryans from BMAC invaded India, but Indians have to much South Asian (Dravidian) auDNA. Indians don't have much of the Iranian Plateau auDNA left in them.

Kurds belong to an Aryan race, because our language is Aryan. And the native language of our ancestors was also ARYAN. Kurds belong to an Aryan race, becaus Kurds are genetically connected to Northern Mesopotamia/Zagros/Iranian Plateau which was also the native homeland of the ancient Aryans the Medes.

Actually, speaking of Georgians, Georgians today don't speak Aryan. But they do belong to an Aryan race. Georgians tribes like Colchis were for thousands of years under infleucne of the Aryan tribes. Ask Georgians if you don't believe, it has been said sad many Georgian 'Eastern' tribes came originally from the Iranian Plateau.

" Eastern Georgia, throughout its history, has been several times been annexed by the Persian Empire, specifically under the Achaemenid, Parthian, Sassanid, Safavid, Afsharid and Qajar dynasties. Western Georgia, throughout its history had been annexed by the Persian Achaemenids, Sassanids and Afsharids. Due to this, there has been a lot of political, cultural and ethnic exchange between the two nations for thousands of years, and thus Georgia was and is often considered a part of Greater Iran "

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia%E2%80%93Iran_relations[/url] ([url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia%E2%80%93Iran_relations[/url])

History of Iranian-Georgian Relations

[url]http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/georgia-ii-history-[/url] ([url]http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/georgia-ii-history-[/url])

Remember that there are 4 million Georgians while more than 100 million Aryans (West Iranids).

Aryans are ancient people who are NATIVE to the Iranian Plateau and are full of Neolithic Iranian Plateau auDNA. Aryans were those who build the first villages, cities, had the first urban laws, civil societies etc. Aryans gave birth to the human civilization. Because of Aryans the cultures in the Mesopotamia, Indus Valley flourished.



You SEMITIC race people are acting like our Aryan Kurdish worst enemies and when you act like our enemies you will be threated like our worst enemies. You are the same as Turks who deny Kurdish race. And therefore if you will not watch out you will be threated like Turks by my Aryan people...





yep you're a troll, banning time.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on September 12, 2017, 04:58:12 PM
It is your site, do whatever you want. I don't care at the first place. I lose nothing, you win nothing. But banning somebody because you can't come with counter arguments is just sign of weak mentality, like all our enemies of our Aryan race have proven to have. Weak mentality and envy.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on September 13, 2017, 06:45:48 AM
I do care. And it is what matters to me. This kind of division makes me think clear. Kurds are from Northern Mesopotamia/Zagros Mountains. While Assyrians are from the Levant & the Arabian Peninsula.

You dare call us JUST Arabs/Levatine. That's the tip of the iceberg. Semites come from Eastern Africa. Our language evolved there. So specifically, OUR race is eastern Africa, Somalian, Arabid, Afro-Asiatic, northwest Semitic, eastern Aramaic, northeast Aramaic with cream and strawberry on top.   :wavetowel:

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I am NOT responsible what other think say and do.

Honestly, go watch these Iranian/Aryan videos. Completely obsessed with the white race and white Iranians. Why? They know Aryan means EUROPEAN and WHITE. Go ask them, not me. I'm the messenger here.

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Btw, Georgians are ARYAN, because they have a lot Neolithic Iranian Plateau DNA in them. The Neolithic Iranian Plateau auDNA is dominant in Georgians.
Lol. I thought you'd say they're a Kartvelian race because their langauge family is that. But hey, at least you're getting somewhere now...

Assyrians are Assyrid and Arabid, while Palestinians and Lebanese are just Arabid.

Assyrians are Assyrid and Armenoid because we f*cked and bred with Armenians. We do have Arabid in us for sure, just like Iranians who converted to Islam and got mixed with a few Arabs. So nobody's saying they're all pure.

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Semitic is a language group but ALSO a race because ALL Semites have the same ROOTS. Like ARYAN is a language group, but also a race.

So is Armenoid and Mediterranid, and Assyrians fall under them in some racial categorizations. But you avoid to use those terms as they go against you're Semitic vs Aryan agenda. Amazing. You go by Semitic because, again, Nordics used the terms to differentiate the "superior" (Aryan/Nordic) and "inferior" races (Semites, Slavs, blacks, gypsies and pretty much all the f**ng world).

Didn't I tell you that Semitic is biblical? Remember Shem? The guy that supposedly gave birth to Arabs, Jews and Assyrians. That's where "Semitic" came from. And the term is the most obsolete racial category. Genealogists go with more scientific terms such as Armenoid and Mediterannid much more than Semitic. They know the term is FICTIONAL. Can't believe as a Yazidi you believe in Abrahamic/Jewish BS.

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Assyrians are the CLOSEST related to the Arabs in the Levant, like Lebanese Arab Christians & Muslim. Why? Because you are from the same URHEIMAT and from the same genepool. Assyrians belong to the same Semitic race because ancestors of the Assyrians were Semitic tribes. You language group IS your race, because you ALL share the same origin, deep roots.

And I did say Assyrians are related to Lebanese people. Love how you're backpedaling, because you didn't point out that we are AFRO-ASIATIC. Lol. What happened?

Dude, the Semitic urheimat can be in Tanzania for all I care, that doesn't mean Assyrians are now Tanzanians. YOUR language family has ties in central Asia (Indo-European urheimate). So what the hell are you doing in Iraq? Get the logic. I'm now being as obtuse as you. Newsflash, people migrate. Btw, Assyrians were always in Mesopotamia. The Semitic languages were brought in to us, just like Aramaic did (when we spoke Akkadian) - Are we Aramean now? So no, language doesn't always equal race nor ethnicity.

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Thanks for your input, but your charts are not scientific at all and NOT based on scientific papers. I don't where those samples are form and from what kind of 'population' (N). Also your charts are not detailed and NOT specified.

I showed you the ACADEMIC distribution of auDNA. I'm always using the ACADEMIC papers and source as my argumentation about human DNA.

Of course they're not scientific. You don't agree with them. Lol. Again, your charts never include Assyrians. They don't say Assyrians are Levantines. Only YOU SAY THAT. Also, they're based from 9000 years ago. Period. Your argument is moot.

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The closest relatives to Assyrians are Arabs from the Levant, Iraq and Syria. The closest people to Assyrians are the Semitic Lebanese people. And we have now EVIDENCE that modern Lebanese people are similar to their ancient SEMTIC ancestors 4000 years ago. The DNA of Lebanese people is still very Semitic. Assyrians are similar to the Lebanese Semitic people. You cluster together, that's why you should search for your roots in the Levant.
Don't put words in my mouth. Semitic is a race, because you all share the same deep roots and the same origin/ancestors. You are all from the same URHEIMAT.

What's wrong with you? You're blatantly backpedaling and making a nasty strawman. Nobody said Assyrians and Lebanese people are not the same race, in which they are. Heck, I confuse Assyrians with Lebanese people all the time. We are so alike, especially with their Maronites. I'm ONLY against your warped, trolling idea that Assyrians are "more" related to eastern Africans and Saudi Arabians than to Armenians and even Kurds! How come you didn't say that here? What stopped you? Maybe you know I'm right now.

Modern Lebanese Muslims, as similar as we are to them, still have Arabian peninsula DNA. We barely do. But of course, now you'll make a foul strawman about it again.

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And I do talk about Iranid race aka the Aryans. Europeans are NOT 1 race and definitely NOT Aryans at all, only Iranians who belong to an IRANID race (Medes & Persians) are ARYAN. Ancient Greeks, Germanic race tribes, Celtic race tribes, Slavic race tribes were NEVER Aryans and never called themselves Aryans. Greek historians never called themselves Aryans, the Roman Empire never called itself Aryan etc. Their ancestors were NEVER Aryans. Aryans were NOT from Europe, but from the Iranian Plateau. Europeans don't have much of the ARYAN 'Iranian Plateau' DNA.

Really? The Germans were so proud calling themselves Aryans. Just saying...

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Kurds belong to an Aryan race, because our language is Aryan. And the native language of our ancestors was also ARYAN. Kurds belong to an Aryan race, becaus Kurds are genetically connected to Northern Mesopotamia/Zagros/Iranian Plateau which was also the native homeland of the ancient Aryans the Medes.

Kurds claim descent from Medes, who inhabited the mountainous area of northwestern Iran and the northeastern and eastern region of Mesopotamia and located in the Kermanshah-Hamadan (Ecbatana) region in Iran. You are an Iranid people. You have more to do with Iran than with Iraq. Ironic that you're so proud of being Aryan and yet you're living in the lands of predominantly ruled by Semites. If you're such a proud Iranian/Aryan, live in northwestern Iran. Why couldn't the Kurds make a nation there? Why choose the land of the Semites?

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Actually, speaking of Georgians, Georgians today don't speak Aryan. But they do belong to an Aryan race. Georgians tribes like Colchis were for thousands of years under infleucne of the Aryan tribes. Ask Georgians if you don't believe, it has been said sad many Georgian 'Eastern' tribes came originally from the Iranian Plateau.

I doubt that they're full Iranian. They look Slavic or Russian. You can say that they're mixed. Look at these Georgian men. They look really European (and yes, it is about the looks):

(http://www.advantour.com/img/georgia/population/georgian-people5.jpg)

Kurds and Assyrians look more alike than they do with Georgians, who look more 'foreign' and white (and I know this will trigger you, but if it does then you're seriously a white wannabe yourself - just saying).

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" Eastern Georgia, throughout its history, has been several times been annexed by the Persian Empire, specifically under the Achaemenid, Parthian, Sassanid, Safavid, Afsharid and Qajar dynasties. Western Georgia, throughout its history had been annexed by the Persian Achaemenids, Sassanids and Afsharids. Due to this, there has been a lot of political, cultural and ethnic exchange between the two nations for thousands of years, and thus Georgia was and is often considered a part of Greater Iran "

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia%E2%80%93Iran_relations[/url] ([url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia%E2%80%93Iran_relations[/url])

History of Iranian-Georgian Relations

[url]http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/georgia-ii-history-[/url] ([url]http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/georgia-ii-history-[/url])

Remember that there are 4 million Georgians while more than 100 million Aryans (West Iranids).

Yes, the Persian empire has reached there. But Georgians today have been mixed with eastern Europeans. They have Iranid and East Europe DNA. Please don't deny this.

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Aryans are ancient people who are NATIVE to the Iranian Plateau and are full of Neolithic Iranian Plateau auDNA. Aryans were those who build the first villages, cities, had the first urban laws, civil societies etc. Aryans gave birth to the human civilization. Because of Aryans the cultures in the Mesopotamia, Indus Valley flourished.

Sumerians were the first to build society. They had nothing to do with Iranians. Semite-speakers came from the north and eventually, Sumerians mixed with them or "absorbed" within them. If anything, Assyrians are more related to ancient Sumerians than you are. Last time I checked, Akkadians and Sumerians MORPHED, not Sumerians and Persians (read a history book). Sumerians and Akkadians can be envisioned as our early "grandparents".

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You SEMITIC race people are acting like our Aryan Kurdish worst enemies and when you act like our enemies you will be threated like our worst enemies. You are the same as Turks who deny Kurdish race. And therefore if you will not watch out you will be threated like Turks by my Aryan people...

Um, bub, I don't think we see it in a Semitic/Aryan manner like you do. Hate to burst your bubble. We see Kurds as enemies, and also Arabs, Turks and even Jews (sometimes, sadly). But funnily, many of us defend Iran (who are Aryan people). We don't care about the racial difference between us. That's your obsession. We see Kurds as Kurd, Iranians as Iranians, etc. We don't see Aryans or Semites. If we did, then Assyrians wouldn't hate Arabs all the time. Lol.

Are you bipolar? You can be so over the top and outlandish, and at others you seem reasonable and courteous. How's your next post going to be like? Crazy or normal?  :giggle:
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on September 13, 2017, 06:56:50 AM
These are still real DNA tests and genealogy data . Not sure why you're adamantly denying just because they don't fit your Abrahamic/Jewish-Nazi "Semitic" vs "Aryan" agenda:

Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on September 13, 2017, 07:11:22 AM
Source to above content: https://books.google.com.au/books?id=FrwNcwKaUKoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=ISBN0691087504&source=gbs_summary_r&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=assyrian&f=false

About Sumerians:

"For millennia, the southern part of the Mesopotamia has been a wetland region generated by the Tigris and Euphrates rivers before flowing into the Gulf. This area has been occupied by human communities since ancient times and the present-day inhabitants, the Marsh Arabs, are considered the population with the strongest link to ancient Sumerians. Popular tradition, however, considers the Marsh Arabs as a foreign group, of unknown origin, which arrived in the marshlands when the rearing of water buffalo was introduced to the region."

"The Semitic groups were semi-nomadic people who spoke a Semitic language and lived in the northern area of the Syro-Arabian desert breeding small animals. From here, they reached Mesopotamia where they settled among the pre-existing populations. The Semitic people, more numerous in the north, and the Sumerians, more represented in the south, after having adsorbed the pre-existing populations, melted their cultures laying the basis of the western civilization"


You can see that you have a factual point about Semites being from the desert, but you're laying out your opinion quite inaccurately and unfairly - We have nothing to do with the southern parts of the Arabian peninsula (what you're implying) and Iranians have nothing to do with Sumerians. Just because the Yazidis and Sumerians have similar art and whatnot doesn't make them the same peoples. That's like me saying Assyrians are just like Kurds racially, because my Kurdish friend looks like my uncle. Get it? It's quite superficial and bears no basis. Also, as per this quote, you can clearly see that Semites mixed with Sumerians. What does this mean? The modern day Assyrian Semite has both Sumerian and ancient Semitic heritage.

Source: https://bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/1471-2148-11-288?site=bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on September 13, 2017, 11:42:00 AM
Honestly, go watch these Iranian/Aryan videos. Completely obsessed with the white race and white Iranians. Why? They know Aryan means EUROPEAN and WHITE. Go ask them, not me. I'm the messenger here.
Assyrians are Assyrid and Armenoid because we f*cked and bred with Armenians. We do have Arabid in us for sure, just like Iranians who converted to Islam and got mixed with a few Arabs. So nobody's saying they're all pure.
So is Armenoid and Mediterranid, and Assyrians fall under them in some racial categorizations. But you avoid to use those terms as they go against you're Semitic vs Aryan agenda. Amazing. You go by Semitic because, again, Nordics used the terms to differentiate the "superior" (Aryan/Nordic) and "inferior" races (Semites, Slavs, blacks, gypsies and pretty much all the f**ng world).
Dude, I don't care what other think, feel, say and do.

What they think doesn't make me less Aryan. I'm who I'm. My ancestors were Aryans who spoke the same Aryan language, had the same Aryan religion, culture and DNA as my people. Therefore I'm a true DIRECT descendant of the ancient Aryan. I'm an Aryan.

Assyrians are not like Armenians. Assyrians are shifted toward Armenians. Assyrians are still closer to their Semitic cousins the Lebanese Arabs. Why? Because they share the same ancient Semitic ancestors with each
other. They have the same origin and other Semites. Assyrians are Semites and belong to a Semitic race, full stop!

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And I did say Assyrians are related to Lebanese people.
BINGO. ANd we have a very recent ACADEMIC papaer on LEbanese Arab Semites. And those are native to the Levant.

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YOUR language family has ties in central Asia (Indo-European urheimate). So what the hell are you doing in Iraq? Get the logic. I'm now being as obtuse as you. Newsflash, people migrate. Btw, Assyrians were always in Mesopotamia. The Semitic languages were brought in to us, just like Aramaic did (when we spoke Akkadian) - Are we Aramean now? So no, language doesn't always equal race nor ethnicity.
Of course they're not scientific. You don't agree with them. Lol. Again, your charts never include Assyrians. They don't say Assyrians are Levantines. Only YOU SAY THAT. Also, they're based from 9000 years ago. Period. Your argument is moot.
My Aryan language still has an ERGATIVE construction in it. Ergativiy is NATIVE to our homeland in West Asia. There is no ERGAVITY in Central Asia. So thus does mean that my Aryan language has it roots in West Asia, Kurdistan

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I'm ONLY against your warped, trolling idea that Assyrians are "more" related to eastern Africans and Saudi Arabians than to Armenians and even Kurds! How come you didn't say that here? What stopped you? Maybe you know I'm right now.
If you follow the recent ACADEMIC papers you will find out that Assyrians are still very close to the Levant. Assyrians have much more Neolithic Levant Farmer auDNA in them, maybe as much as Arabs.

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Modern Lebanese Muslims, as similar as we are to them, still have Arabian peninsula DNA. We barely do. But of course, now you'll make a foul strawman about it again.
Assyrians have a lot Arabian Peninsula auDNA, because the Akkadians were actually from the Arabian Peninsula

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Kurds claim descent from Medes, who inhabited the mountainous area of northwestern Iran and the northeastern and eastern region of Mesopotamia and located in the Kermanshah-Hamadan (Ecbatana) region in Iran. You are an Iranid people. You have more to do with Iran than with Iraq. Ironic that you're so proud of being Aryan and yet you're living in the lands of predominantly ruled by Semites. If you're such a proud Iranian/Aryan, live in northwestern Iran. Why couldn't the Kurds make a nation there? Why choose the land of the Semites?
Northern Iraq/Northern Mesopotamia is still Aryan land. The biggest population on that land are still the Aryans. The Aryans were always native people of the Northern Mesopotamia, since the era of the Ubaid Sumerians. Since the Ubaid Sumerians Northern Mesopotamia was populated non stop by Iranid aka Aryan people. It is our native land, and Aryans are still the majority of that land. Why should we give our NATIVE land to other races like Turks or Semites? Do you think we are retard to give our Aryan land away. We will fight for it till the very end. It is OUR native land. The Aryan land.


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I doubt that they're full Iranian. They look Slavic or Russian. You can say that they're mixed. Look at these Georgian men. They look really European (and yes, it is about the looks).
It is not about the looks. You can change your looks within generation, while you can't change your race.

Georgians are still very close to the Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers (CHG). Georgians are a mixture between CHG and the ARYANS (Neolithic Iranian Farmers). But CHG and Neolithic Iranian Farmers were even very similar to each other 9000 years ago.

(https://s12.postimg.org/hxjcc5ny5/wykres_PCA.png)
(https://s9.postimg.org/nixjrc8fz/nature13673-f2.jpg)

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Kurds and Assyrians look more alike than they do with Georgians, who look more 'foreign' and white (and I know this will trigger you, but if it does then you're seriously a white wannabe yourself - just saying).
Hahahahaha, Semitic Assyrians don't look like Iranid/Aryan Kurds and Iranid Kurds don't look like Semitic Assyrians at all.

I was born and raised in Georgia and believe me, Georgians look very Iranid to my own Iranid eyes. Don't tell me how Georgians look like..


The only wannabe here is you, since you deny your own roots and try to be somebody else!


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Yes, the Persian empire has reached there. But Georgians today have been mixed with eastern Europeans. They have Iranid and East Europe DNA. Please don't deny this.
Look at the SCIENTIC graphs I posted. Even on your AMATEURISH charts, Georgians very much away from the Eastern European monkeys and cluster together with Iranian/Aryan people.


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Sumerians were the first to build society. They had nothing to do with Iranians. Semite-speakers came from the north and eventually, Sumerians mixed with them or "absorbed" within them. If anything, Assyrians are more related to ancient Sumerians than you are. Last time I checked, Akkadians and Sumerians MORPHED, not Sumerians and Persians (read a history book). Sumerians and Akkadians can be envisioned as our early "grandparents".
Semitic Assyrians NVER came from North, they came from the Levant and the Arabian Peninsula. Akkadians came originally from the Arabian Peninsula. This is a FACT!

Original ARYAN Sumerians from the UBAID period were IRANID people and came from the Mountains. Ancient people on the Iranian Plateau who even lived before the Sumeirans build first societies and first villages. In Ezdixan/Shenagl Sumerians NEVER mixed with the Semites. In Ezdixan Sumerians became evolved to the Medes and later in Ezdi/Kurds.


Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on September 13, 2017, 11:46:29 AM
These are still real DNA tests and genealogy data . Not sure why you're adamantly denying just because they don't fit your Abrahamic/Jewish-Nazi "Semitic" vs "Aryan" agenda:
NOT based on scientific studies and papers. This is nonsense and was made a bunch of AMATERUS.

This is the REAL deal. Very ACADEMIC !

(https://s12.postimg.org/hxjcc5ny5/wykres_PCA.png)
(https://s9.postimg.org/nixjrc8fz/nature13673-f2.jpg)
(https://s8.postimg.org/6a93a9tx1/Iran_N_Levant_N_EHG_WHG.png)
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on September 13, 2017, 11:56:27 AM
Source to above content: https://books.google.com.au/books?id=FrwNcwKaUKoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=ISBN0691087504&source=gbs_summary_r&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=assyrian&f=false

About Sumerians:

"For millennia, the southern part of the Mesopotamia has been a wetland region generated by the Tigris and Euphrates rivers before flowing into the Gulf. This area has been occupied by human communities since ancient times and the present-day inhabitants, the Marsh Arabs, are considered the population with the strongest link to ancient Sumerians. Popular tradition, however, considers the Marsh Arabs as a foreign group, of unknown origin, which arrived in the marshlands when the rearing of water buffalo was introduced to the region."

"The Semitic groups were semi-nomadic people who spoke a Semitic language and lived in the northern area of the Syro-Arabian desert breeding small animals. From here, they reached Mesopotamia where they settled among the pre-existing populations. The Semitic people, more numerous in the north, and the Sumerians, more represented in the south, after having adsorbed the pre-existing populations, melted their cultures laying the basis of the western civilization"


You can see that you have a factual point about Semites being from the desert, but you're laying out your opinion quite inaccurately and unfairly - We have nothing to do with the southern parts of the Arabian peninsula (what you're implying) and Iranians have nothing to do with Sumerians. Just because the Yazidis and Sumerians have similar art and whatnot doesn't make them the same peoples. That's like me saying Assyrians are just like Kurds racially, because my Kurdish friend looks like my uncle. Get it? It's quite superficial and bears no basis. Also, as per this quote, you can clearly see that Semites mixed with Sumerians. What does this mean? The modern day Assyrian Semite has both Sumerian and ancient Semitic heritage.

Source: https://bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/1471-2148-11-288?site=bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com
They don't talk about the ORIGINAL Sumerians, but about Sumerians whith migrated into the Southern lands.

Sumerians also migrated into Indus Valley. For Hindu bull is also sacred and Hindu people don't eat cows. It is sacred animal for the Hindu. There was also bull-worshiping in Maykop Culture in the Caucasus. Maykop Culture gave birth to the late Yamnaya Culture.

ORIGINAL Sumerians were IRANID (Aryan) people! There is a correlation between Sumerian Migration and the Neolithic Iranian auDNA.


Assyrians are mostly connected to the Levant than to the Arabian Peninsula.

Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on September 13, 2017, 01:39:02 PM
These are still real DNA tests and genealogy data . Not sure why you're adamantly denying just because they don't fit your Abrahamic/Jewish-Nazi "Semitic" vs "Aryan" agenda:



Because he's a troll, Casc stop feeding the troll...
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Ezidi Kurd on September 13, 2017, 02:22:24 PM
Because he's a troll, Casc stop feeding the troll...
Yeah right, like showing some obscure, outdated amateurish graphs is not tro0lling. What does variance of just 1 Y-DNA haplogroup, like J1 in this case, has to do with race and auDNA? I don't even understand those stupid tree tables. Or making some provocative claims that Kurds are Persians and that Kurds have don't have their own history is normal, right?


Actually the best friend and ally of Assyrians in the region are Kurds. And when you show no respect to Kurds, don't expect Kurds show respect to you.

At the end of the day, you like it or not, there will be Great Kurdistan. South Kurdistan is almost free now, just few months. Next parts will soon follow. Rojava, Ezdixan (Shengal) are also almost free by now. Next in line are Bakur & Rojhelat.

Your future in Northern Mesopotamia is dependent on the Kurds. When you threat us like enemies, we will threat you to like our enemies and there will be never a future for your people in Northern Mesopotamia, Kurdistan, period!
Maybe you do this on purpose, and make trouble on purpose, because you don't want to stay in your homeland and want to migrate to the Western countries for economic reasons. How many Assyrians from Iraq & Syria are stranded in Lebanon, who don't want to go back to their villages. So you are looking for excuses like Kurds are not nice to you and therefore you must to emigrate. But remember, once you are out, you will be out forever. You will assimilated by your adopted countries and you will vanish in multi cultural societies. You are not like Chinese who are with more than 1 billion people. You do almost belong to an extinct Assyrid race.

As an Ezdi Kurd I do also belong to a minority and almost to an extinct religious group, but at least my Aryan race is there still in millions, there are millions of people who belong to a West Iranid race, like me


Go on and play nice toward Persians, Arabs and Turks like they give about you. UREKA, they don't give a damn about you and at the very first opportunity they will try to kill you as much as possible..


Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on September 14, 2017, 06:29:57 AM
Assyrians are not like Armenians. Assyrians are shifted toward Armenians. Assyrians are still closer to their Semitic cousins the Lebanese Arabs. Why? Because they share the same ancient Semitic ancestors with each other. They have the same origin and other Semites. Assyrians are Semites and belong to a Semitic race, full stop!
Of course Assyrians are more like Lebanese people. Why? They look more like Lebos than Armenians. But still, Assyrians and Armenians are close to each other. Don't go by stats from 9,000 years when a lot of peoples back then would have different heritage and ties. We were all pretty much nomads 9,000 years ago and were surrounded by extinct ethnic groups. Enough with this BS. That's why I think you're trolling. You have this strange agenda.

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If you follow the recent ACADEMIC papers you will find out that Assyrians are still very close to the Levant. Assyrians have much more Neolithic Levant Farmer auDNA in them, maybe as much as Arabs.
What is your definition of Arab? Lmao. Levantines are NOT pure Arabs. They are a Mediterranid peoples (Phoenicians, Samaritans, Philistines, etc) who were raped and forcefully converted to Islam by true Arabs (those from the Arabian peninsula). True Arabs are those from the Gulf. But of course, you'll stubbornly refuse to believe this and would say that all Arabs are homogeneous. Look at a Lebanese man and compare him to a Yemeni. They look like different race. Again, your agenda is to categorize every 'race' WEST of IRANIDS as ONE BIG AFRO-ARABID RACE. You really have to be trolling or on some strange psychedelic drug

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Assyrians have a lot Arabian Peninsula auDNA, because the Akkadians were actually from the Arabian Peninsula
Akkadians came from the north Syrian desert. FYI, people from the north Syrian desert are a different race from those to the south have recent African mixture/DNA. As different as a Kurd and an Assyrian. It's blatantly ignorant to deny this.

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Northern Iraq/Northern Mesopotamia is still Aryan land. The biggest population on that land are still the Aryans. The Aryans were always native people of the Northern Mesopotamia, since the era of the Ubaid Sumerians. Since the Ubaid Sumerians Northern Mesopotamia was populated non stop by Iranid aka Aryan people. It is our native land, and Aryans are still the majority of that land. Why should we give our NATIVE land to other races like Turks or Semites? Do you think we are retard to give our Aryan land away. We will fight for it till the very end. It is OUR native land. The Aryan land.
Ubaidans are not Sumerians. Ubaid people are neither Semitic or Aryan. Lolz. Stop with this hilarious trolling. You're getting funnier and more insane. Again, if you love Aryans, stay in the Iranian Plateau. You even admitted that your people come from there. Get real man. You're full of plot holes and contradictions.

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It is not about the looks. You can change your looks within generation, while you can't change your race.
The most dense sentence I read in years. If your looks are changing, so is your race. If Obama's (half black) grandchildren are lighter-skinned because their parent is white, that's because their Caucasian parent made them fair-skinned. And if Caucasian breeding continues in this line, the children will start to look PURE white.

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Georgians are still very close to the Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers (CHG). Georgians are a mixture between CHG and the ARYANS (Neolithic Iranian Farmers). But CHG and Neolithic Iranian Farmers were even very similar to each other 9000 years ago. I was born and raised in Georgia and believe me, Georgians look very Iranid to my own Iranid eyes. Don't tell me how Georgians look like..
Of course, it has to be 9000 years ago. You're a legend. Lol.

Sorry bub, Georgians TODAY have a Slavic admixture. They may have had Iranid in them (and yeah, some look Iranian), but the many of them look rather eastern Europe. Why? Because they have Eastern European DNA in them. Check out their DNA. Don't have me to do the talking.

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Hahahahaha, Semitic Assyrians don't look like Iranid/Aryan Kurds and Iranid Kurds don't look like Semitic Assyrians at all.
Of course, we don't look like you. Since you suffer from inferiority complex (a bad case at that), you'll find European-like NORTHERLY people to resemble you. That's the point with Middle Easterners like you who want to be white.

Again, I'm amazed at why you're so full of hate towards Assyrians. You are not a Yazidi. You gotta be something else. You're a disturbed person anyway. Perhaps you get mistaken for your Middle Eastern fellow Semites a lot. Sucks to be you, I know. Or did an Assyrian girl dump you? What's your story?

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Look at the SCIENTIC graphs I posted. Even on your AMATEURISH charts, Georgians very much away from the Eastern European monkeys and cluster together with Iranian/Aryan people.
You're so triggered by facts. Sucks that these scientific charts are modern-based and not from 9000 years which CONFORM to your AGENDA? These modern graphs made you so mad. But lowlife trolls faced with reality will be left vexed and red-faced.  :lol:

Svan Georgians are a different ethnic subgroups. Do you realize that Georgia has around 5 ethnic groups?

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Semitic Assyrians NVER came from North, they came from the Levant and the Arabian Peninsula. Akkadians came originally from the Arabian Peninsula. This is a FACT!
Oh, how rude of me. Of course we didn't come from the north. You pure Aryans did. You came from Europe. We are the lesser peoples from the Somali deserts. How dare I insult the fact.  :giggle:

Trollish statements demand troll replies. Do you want more, land thief?

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Original ARYAN Sumerians from the UBAID period were IRANID people and came from the Mountains. Ancient people on the Iranian Plateau who even lived before the Sumeirans build first societies and first villages. In Ezdixan/Shenagl Sumerians NEVER mixed with the Semites. In Ezdixan Sumerians became evolved to the Medes and later in Ezdi/Kurds.
Comedic paragraph of the day. Or the most stupid? You pick.

Sumerians morphed with Akkadians. Assyrians today are a mixture of Akkadians, Sumerian, Armenian, Maronite/Lebanese, Jewish and even Persian.

Just because Assyrians hate you PERSONALLY and had a bad experience with them, doesn't mean you should hate every Assyrian you failed loser. I feel so bad for you. Again, something horrible must have happened to you. I hope you get your life back. I really do.

NOT based on scientific studies and papers. This is nonsense and was made a bunch of AMATERUS.

This is the REAL deal. Very ACADEMIC !
1. I still don't see 'Assyrian' in them.
2. You're still clinging to the same charts over and over again.
3. They're still 9,000 years old, back when 99% of the world was nomadic to semi-nomadic and racially homogeneous.
4. Only "real" and "academic" because they conform to your AGENDA - that Levantines and Iranids are completely different races (in which they were 9000 years ago, but NOT now). :giggle:

You're just a Kurdish Muslim (perhaps a sockpuppet of somebody in here) finding a way to be superior and distinguishable from YOUR Arab relatives. I know your psychology. You get insulted when you're compared to Arabs (because of your ostentatious Middle Eastern visage), hence the reason you use Aryan and Semite - Because you want to distinguish yourself with them - Only our language family is distinguishable. That makes you happy. It makes you feel 'superior' or 'different'. Even though, visually and geographically, you are still MIDDLE EASTERN looking and from south-western Asia (yep, SOUTH - Northwest Asia is near the Caucasus and Turkey).

P.S. Do you tick "Middle Eastern" or "Caucasian" in dating/DNA/etc sites? Lol.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: nejepnerast on September 14, 2017, 12:57:45 PM
I don't refute BS with more BS. I'm an IT guy, not a college professor. I like it quick and short

is this some sort of complement to yourself ? Me personally i prefer Harveys over burger king . ..so

true, anyone can claim anything, but if they have the archaeological evidence that says "we made/discovered this first" then I'll concede to that.

For example, Beer wasn't actually discovered by Sumerians BUT they get the credit for it because they were the first to document the recipe to make beer.

Here's a better, modern day example.

Let's say there's this folk song with variations of it across the Middle East. Kurds have their variation, Arabs theirs, Armenians theirs, Assyrians ours.
By general law and etiquette, whoever records the song on a playable medium first is credited (and maybe copyrighted) to them.
So if an Arab or Kurdish singer was the first to record it, the song is credited to them even though the song isn't theirs.

It's all about documentation. This is why we archive things and study them.

This is also the number 1 reason why I never use any kind of source material from the Middle East. Everybody there, even Assyrians who got PhDs there, got an inferior education unless they got that degree from a school in Europe, Australia, or NA.

Honestly is it completly pointless to even debate this , China will claim all  the above with proof and add more to it , so does india , arabs , turks and so on
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: nejepnerast on September 14, 2017, 01:35:28 PM
Quoting the Old Testament will prove how Judaism is almost akin to Islam. The Old Testament is NOT the fundamental scripture of Christianity. And this is fact. Christianity's central figure is Jesus,

Do not go that way Cascade , because trying to separate the old testament from the new one will never work .

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18)

‘The Scripture cannot be broken’ (John 10:35). He referred to Scripture as ‘the commandment of God’ (Matthew 15:3) and as the ‘Word of God’ (Mark 7:13).

The list of examples goes on, and the evidence is clear: Jesus saw the Old Testament as being God’s Word, and his attitude toward it was nothing less than total trust. Many people want to accept Jesus, yet they reject a large portion of the Old Testament. Either Jesus knew what he was talking about, or he didn’t. If a person believes in Jesus Christ, he should be consistent and believe that the Old Testament and its accounts are correct

Christians have killed a lot people in the past for sure. But today, they are not doing that. And no, the World Wars and Nazism had nothing to do Christianity, just the same way the Saddam regime had nothing to do with Islam. Christianity and Islam are not equally bad religions today (remember, the keyword is today).

The rules are exactly the same because the word of so called God can not change , the only different is that Christian laws and rules simply ignored and not applied today and not because Christianity became peaceful all the sudden . A true christain and a true muslim never actually evolved that is why they reject the current rules .


In the middle ages, sure, I will be saying that Christians are worse. Today is a different story. You surely have to admit this. It is fact. Otherwise you're just sympathizing and moderating Islam ("hey Islam, I know you're bad and all, but dw sweetie Christianity is also just like you"). ;)

Come on Cascade , Do you Honestly contribute peace in majority christian nation to Christianity ? This one made me laugh , I promise you if you apply christians laws to majority christian countries they will not be better than muslim countries . Religion is the problem not the people and Europe only lived in peace and prosperity when they weakened the Church by separated the church from the state .

Yes, except I was defending our peaceful scholars, artists, educators, scientists. How could you call them barbaric and thuggish? That's like me saying all Kurds and Turks are savages because of what some of their ancestors did to us in 1914. It's too extreme, is it? You're thinking of ancient Assyrians the same way an old, ignorant, conservative Assyrian would think of Turks and Kurds. Don't go there, please. Again, you have to realize that Assyrian was a pluralistic society. It had brutal leaders, but also was a free society with innocent, hard-working civilians like you and I. Why are you denying that SIDE of Assyria? Same thing with ancient Greece, Persia, Rome. They also had good, prolific people too. You cannot trivialize them and throw them in the trash.
You're being too cynical, are you not? It's okay to be proud of your ancestors and their societal living. The Chinese are, the Japs are, the Brits, Persians, Greeks, Macedonians, Italians, etc. You're going to have to convince 70% of the world to forget about their ancestors. Come on.

Sure, no civilization is more superior than the other. But it's nice to look back at your own people and be like "wow, I am so proud of their artwork, their architecture, etc". This is human nature. What are you going to tell us next, "don't like Assyrian music", "don't watch Hollywood movies", "boycott anime"? I'm pretty sure in a thousand years people will look back at these mediums and be in awe. You can't stop them.

Sorry, but I admire our architecture and artwork. NOT us killing people and pulverizing cities, of course. What is wrong with that?
Lol. We need like millions of these sprays.

I do not view history the way most people view it . You look at the pyramid and you will be moved by the architect and beauty , but I see slavery , exploitation and death of millions to built such meaningless structure so some king who used to sleep with his sister get buried in it . My views might be interpreted as cynical , but i see it as the naked truth and most people detest the truth as you know . I apply the same rule to my own history and I believe we all need to apologize to what our ancestors did to each other in the name of some meaningless glory .

Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: nejepnerast on September 14, 2017, 01:42:14 PM

Lol. We need like millions of these sprays.

I'm thinking about having my own line of ANTI ISLAM SPRAY (AIS) that contain Pork Blood . That would definitely work like a charm . Just spray your neighborhood with it and you are done  :mfr_lol:  . I will be happy to make you my partener if you want and I believe MrZurnaci will do it for free lol .
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: mrzurnaci on September 14, 2017, 01:56:08 PM
is this some sort of complement to yourself ? Me personally i prefer Harveys over burger king . ..so

well I COULD draw up research, run down to the library, and print up sources to back up my claim (which reminds me, I have some sources on old Kurds from my local library and I forgot about them because I stashed them away.

But years of video games and computer interaction has made me lazy and wanting of constant stimulation.

Either way, I'm not exactly your average Assyrian, I'm the kind of Assyrian who asks 'why?' all the time.
In fact, it pissed the sh** out of my parents when I asked why because they thought I was talking back than actually asking why.

So during high school, I thought to myself, why did Kurds participate in the Assyrian-Armenian genocide and why are Assyrian-Kurdish relations still tense today?
So I'd go to many libraries and read various information on Kurds like religion, culture, origins, etc. Even looked at the Wikipedia articles whether they're biased or not.

From past experience, especially from online debates. I failed to speak sense to my Kurdish counterparts despite using sources, logic, and reasoning.
Any source I'd list, they'd just brush it off and say "this is biased against Kurds". If it's a European or American source, they'll say "this is biased and paid for by Turks" which reminds me of when Arabs would say something is paid for by Jews...

It appears that Turks and Arabs are "jews" to Kurds.

Overall, this is why Assyrians are leaving the Middle East. We are a vastly Christian people living amongst a religion that hates, demonizes, and represses anyone who is not Muslim.

Last Question for you Nej, if Kurds were vastly Christian during the end of the Ottoman, do you think they would've extended the Genocide to you guys? I say yes because that was the plan. The plan was to get rid or severely reduce the Christian populations.

This is also why I also believed that if Assyrians converted to Islam but still kept our language, etc. Then we would've had our own country already by now.
But that's not the reality, no matter how many times we say we are Assyrian, it doesn't matter to Muslims because they've been taught to only care about who's Muslim and who is not.

Anyone who is not Muslim is not equal and never equal to a Muslim. That's the Islam mentality.
And yet you think we want to be part of Kurdistan which is vastly Muslim? Just because you're tolerable?

You should know that the Ottomans were originally tolerable (when Constantinople was conquered, 70% of the Ottoman empire was Christian) but the Ottoman empire ended with millions of Armenians, Assyrians, and Greek civilians killed in a planned massacre...

So ONCE AGAIN, go have your Kurdistan and best wishes but leave us out. We've been under Muslim rule for 1400 years, contributed to their societies, what's our reward? Assyrian land taken away from us, our historical items smashed, civilians murdered, our institutions and churches destroyed, and our rights taken away.

So from the various Muslims that ruled over us (Arabs, Turks, Persians, Mongols who converted to Islam), you ask that we replace those Muslims with YOU Muslims?
Whether we Assyrians are dumb or not, we're not that dumb to make such a stupid choice.
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on September 14, 2017, 10:42:44 PM
Do not go that way Cascade , because trying to separate the old testament from the new one will never work .

Except, it does work. Otherwise, predominantly Christian countries would be implementing laws of Torah. Whether we like it or not, the central teachings of Christian are focused in the New Testament. The bible is not straightforward like the Quran is. Like the Titanic, the bible is split in two and the contents are leagues apart. And also, it contradicts itself a lot (we both know this). Because here, the NT is negating the OT:

"By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear. - Hebrews 8:13

True, Christians can never be consistent. Some take the extreme standards by quoting the OT and others abide by Jesus' teachings. But that's the "beauty" of Christianity - You can cherrypick. Whereas, with the Quran, its teachings (and especially of Muhammad's) were very consistent and not compatible. One crucial difference between Judaeo-Christianity and Islam is that in the latter religion there are incentives for killing and raping someone (the virgins in paradise). That's the reason why one religion has a lot of terrorists and the other has very few.

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The rules are exactly the same because the word of so called God can not change , the only different is that Christian laws and rules simply ignored and not applied today and not because Christianity became peaceful all the sudden . A true christain and a true muslim never actually evolved that is why they reject the current rules .

What rules? If someone perfectly follows Jesus's teachings, he is a true Christian. You're not going to call him something else. Again, only Jesus's teachings and Paul's testimony's are the focal and mainstream points of Christianity. The Old Testament is an alternative, for sure. Amazed that you're adamantly denying this. Heck, it will be an insult to Jews if you credit the Old Testament solely with Christianity, as you're doing.

A true Christian is still more evolved than a true Muslim. You and I know both that we can still live more comfortable with a bunch of fundamental Christians than with Muslim fundies. Again, you are just plainly mitigating Islam. You feel ashamed at how horrible it is (and I don't blame you), so you want Christianity to be in its league (when it just isn't). Pretty sad, man.

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Come on Cascade , Do you Honestly contribute peace in majority christian nation to Christianity ? This one made me laugh , I promise you if you apply christians laws to majority christian countries they will not be better than muslim countries . Religion is the problem not the people and Europe only lived in peace and prosperity when they weakened the Church by separated the church from the state .

First of, the last part is true. With the first part, you're making a strawman and a conjecture. I said Christianity is much more peaceful than Islam. It has teachings about pacifism and compassion (something that Islam severely lacks) which moderate the religion (unlike the consistent and straightforward teachings of Islam). Nobody said countries are peaceful because of Christianity. But they are peaceful when their population is MAJORLY Christian. This is fact. FYI, Christianity is the state religion of Argentina, Armenia, Denmark, England, Greece, Georgia, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Malta. All horrible, radical countries, right?

Again, Christian laws are always based in the New Testament. You're the funny one for equating Christian laws with the Jewish Torah. And, heck, the Torah is not even taken seriously by Jews!  :lol:

True, secularism did make us more peaceful, and I don't believe that we live by Judaeo-Christian values (something that I find disagreeable with Geert Wilders and Milo Yiannopolous). At least Christians lived in a freer society that didn't take their religion too seriously anymore (after the Middle Ages). Newsflash, most Europeans were Christian, and they were open-minded enough to ditch it. Muslims are much more stubbornly faithful to their religion, and wouldn't dare leave it. Why? Apostasy death.

P.S. Assyrians were majorly Christian peoples in the Christian era. They were peaceful peoples who didn't stone adulterers and commit honor killings. The only killers and murderers living among them were Muslims. Assyrians could've been like the barbaric Europeans in the Christian era, but they were not. Why? They cherrypicked the peaceful content of the bible. And I'm not sure why you're refusing to accept it, but the peaceful content in the bible are vital teachings of Christianity (Jesus, Pauline Christianity). This is a FACT. Sure, I'm not saying there are fundamentals who abide to the Old Testament, but they're doing it wrong.

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I do not view history the way most people view it . You look at the pyramid and you will be moved by the architect and beauty , but I see slavery , exploitation and death of millions to built such meaningless structure so some king who used to sleep with his sister get buried in it . My views might be interpreted as cynical , but i see it as the naked truth and most people detest the truth as you know . I apply the same rule to my own history and I believe we all need to apologize to what our ancestors did to each other in the name of some meaningless glory .

Then I guess we have to agree to disagree.

It is the naked truth (no kidding there). But it's a beautiful truth. Regardless of how brutal it was, history is a magnificent subject and is filled with awe to me. Hate to sound cruel, but nobody cares about people who died 3000 years from building the periods. It's not insensitive anymore.

Your violent history (also the Turks) is much, much more recent. And people still do feel sensitive about it. And no, this isn't because I'm feeling more sympathy because the victims were my people or they were Christian, but because time is a factor. Look, I still feel extremely bad for what Christian Serbs did to Muslim Bosnians in the 90s. This was grotesque and inexcusable.

P.S. Since you're so good with quoting the bible (and is open to criticizing religion), can you come to my absurdity in the bible thread and contribute to it? (http://www.assyrianvoice.net/forum/index.php?topic=47320.0 (http://www.assyrianvoice.net/forum/index.php?topic=47320.0))  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on September 14, 2017, 10:57:18 PM
Nej, please be nice to Mzurnaci. Don't be snarky towards his points. He is right that a lot of inventions came from Mesopotamia. Read a book. He is not making it up. No need to reply to him in a condescending manner and sneer what he has to say.

Don't be like that Ezidi Kurd troll. Hating anything that's Assyrian or from Assyria. What is with Kurds? There are three Kurds in here (including you, although you're better one Lol) who have showed NOTHING but disrespect and ignorance towards Assyrians. Scoffing what we have to say, ridiculing us, calling us names, even though we have provable facts. And yet yous say why Assyrians hate Kurds... :blink:

Nej, you know better. You seem more rational. Just keep your mind open. You are the better Kurd in here. Do not falter and think like the other Kurdish trolls. You seem to grasp the idea of facts. So be consistent and accept that some inventions came from Mesopotamia (no, not necessary the Assyrians, but Babylonians and Sumerians too). ;)
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: nejepnerast on September 15, 2017, 10:53:09 AM
Nej, please be nice to Mzurnaci. Don't be snarky towards his points. He is right that a lot of inventions came from Mesopotamia. Read a book. He is not making it up. No need to reply to him in a condescending manner and sneer what he has to say.

Don't be like that Ezidi Kurd troll. Hating anything that's Assyrian or from Assyria. What is with Kurds? There are three Kurds in here (including you, although you're better one Lol) who have showed NOTHING but disrespect and ignorance towards Assyrians. Scoffing what we have to say, ridiculing us, calling us names, even though we have provable facts. And yet yous say why Assyrians hate Kurds... :blink:

Nej, you know better. You seem more rational. Just keep your mind open. You are the better Kurd in here. Do not falter and think like the other Kurdish trolls. You seem to grasp the idea of facts. So be consistent and accept that some inventions came from Mesopotamia (no, not necessary the Assyrians, but Babylonians and Sumerians too). ;)

Thanks Cascade , i will keep that in mind in the future . MrZurnaci is my favorite person here :) and yes i like sometimes to Annoy him using some twisted logic , but i hold no ill intentions  have nothing but the respect to everyone here .

P.S . Your pervious post is very interesting and i will happily reply later . cheers
Title: Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
Post by: Cascade on September 16, 2017, 12:43:12 AM
Thanks Cascade , i will keep that in mind in the future . MrZurnaci is my favorite person here :) and yes i like sometimes to Annoy him using some twisted logic , but i hold no ill intentions  have nothing but the respect to everyone here .

P.S . Your pervious post is very interesting and i will happily reply later . cheers
Just be fair and reasonable, and don't stand against those who are proud of their Assyrian heritage or history. Maybe you can change how Assyrians think of Kurds, because telling others not to be proud of their background is discriminatory, and if you're a Kurd especially, Assyrians would think you're a typical Assyrian-loathing Kurd. So don't go there. Lol.

Like I said, you are the better Kurd in here. You seem to be the most rational and nicest (even if we have disagreements). Just continue that mentality. Of course, we didn't invent everything. But that doesn't mean we didn't invent NOTHING. Both ideas are extremist and irrational (believe that we invented almost all things or just nothing). Let's keep an open mind, is all. ;)

Please do reply ASAP. Want to see your take on it. But please no strawmans or conjectures this time. Lol.