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Arab Christians are Arabs
« on: December 07, 2009, 09:51:44 PM »
Arab Christians are Arabs
By Raja G. Mattar
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"'History is a set of agreed-upon lies" (Napoleon)

A few weeks ago I received by email an article by a Dr. Walid Phares titled "Arab Christians who are they?" Initially I brushed it off as rather inconsequential, but it subsequently came to my attention that Dr. Phares is promoting some rather bizarre ideas about Arab Christians on the lecture and TV circuit in the U.S., contesting their Arab ethnicity and claiming their persecution by Moslems. Being an Arab Christian myself, I would like to use some of the views of Dr. Phares as an entry point to highlight the falsities being promulgated by him and a few others under the guise of scholarly studies. Sadly, many of these anti-Arab activists fit the characterization of 'self-hating Arabs'.

Arab Christians have always existed in the Middle East, and long before the advent of Islam. In Lebanon today they number about 1.3 million (about one-third of the population) mainly of Maronite denomination. In Syria they number approximately two million (or about 10% of the population) which include a significant community of Maronites. In Egypt, Christians, mostly Copts, are about 4.5 million, or about 6% of the population. There are one million in Iraq of various denominations, or about 4% the population. The Christians of Palestine and Jordan may number 600,000, but so many population shifts had taken place that it is difficult to venture a reliable estimate.

The Christians of Lebanon, Syria and Palestine played a pioneering role in reviving Arab culture from the comatose state it was in under the Ottomans. The renaissance of Arab culture owes a great deal to the many Christian Arab scholars who were among the forerunners in shaping Arab national identity. The Maronites role, in particular, was of major cultural importance. In Lebanon they are the backbone of its cultural diversity. A Saudi friend once commented that if the Maronites did not exist we would have to invent them!

There have been occasional claims that the Maronites can trace their ancestry to Phoenicians. This is a myth intended to distance the Maronites from their Arab roots. The Maronites were inhabitants of Orontes (Al-Assi) valley in Syria. They are most probably descendants of some Arab tribes who never converted to Islam. The eminent Lebanese historian Kamal Salibi (incidentally, a Christian) in his 'A House of Many Mansions' [1988] states (ch. 6): "It is very possible that the Maronites, as a community of Arabian origin, were among the last Arabian Christian tribes to arrive in Syria before Islam.. Certainly, since the 9th century, their language has been Arabic, which indicates that they must have originated as an Arab tribal community.. The fact that Syriac remains the language of their liturgy. is irrelevant. Syriac, which is the Christian literary form of Aramaic, was originally the liturgical language of all the Arab and Arameo-Arab Christian sects, in Arabia as well as in Syria and Iraq." Salibi also notes (in ch. 4), that Patriarch Istifan Duwayhi, a Maronite historian of the 17th century, points out that the Maronites "had to move their seat out of the valley of the Orontes to Mount Lebanon as a result of Byzantine, not Muslim persecution." Salibi further goes on to say: "Between 969 and 1071. the Byzantines were in actual control of the Orontes valley.. They must have subjected the Maronites to enough persecution to force them to abandon the place and join their co-religionists in Mount Lebanon.. In Muslim Aleppo, however, the community survived, as it does to this day." El Hassan Bin Talal (former crown prince of Jordan and a prominent scholar) in his "Christianity in the Arab World" [1994] (ch. 7), emphasizes: "It is possible that the Maronite church would not have survived the Byzantine reconquests in Syria between the 10th and 11th centuries. had the Byzantines . succeeded in occupying the whole of Syria, leaving no parts under Muslim rule, where dissident Christian groups could find refuge from Byzantine persecution."

I hope we can put to rest the myth of the Maronites as descendants of the Phoenicians. The Phoenicians lived mainly on the coasts of Lebanon and Syria. If one wants to belabor the subject their descendants are obviously the coast dwellers, mainly the Sunnis. In any case, the Greek historian Herodotus wrote in the 5th century BC, that the Phoenicians themselves were Arab tribes from the Arabian shores of the Red Sea.

Dr. Phares in his article mentions "pogroms of the Copts in Egypt". This a serious and misleading accusation. The term pogrom means organized and systematic killing of an ethnic group usually sanctioned by the government. There may have been occasional sectarian clashes, but I have yet to come across a historical record to the effect that the Copts, or any other Arab Christian group for that matter, having been the target of pogroms. (The only recorded massacre of Christians was in 1860 in Mount Lebanon, and the origin of that unfortunate event was a social rebellion by Maronite serfs against their Druze overlords). Pogroms were an invention of Christian rulers in Europe, mostly directed against Jews - for which Palestinian Arabs, both Christian and Moslem, have been paying dearly as the Christian West tries to atone for its sins at their expense. This western guilt complex, nurtured continuously by Zionist propaganda, has resulted in a tomblike silence over the atrocities perpetrated by Israel over the past 60 years.

It is often mentioned that the Copts of Egypt are descendants of the Pharaohs. But so much history had elapsed between the disappearance of the Pharaohs and the arrival of Islam, that this claim appears questionable, and in any case the Moslems of Egypt have every bit as much right to it, if indeed that claim is anything more than intellectual hair-splitting.

The article in question also claims that the Christians remaining in Palestine "are experiencing one of their most severe choices: surrender to Islamization, or join the pan-Middle East Christian boat.." This is a flagrant a distortion of reality. Palestinian Christians are not suffering at the hands of the Moslems, but at the hands of the Israelis, and the bullet-scarred statue of the Virgin Mary in the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem is a poignant testimony to this fact. We are witnessing before our very eyes the gradual de-Christianization and de-Islamization of Arab Jerusalem due to persistent Israeli measures aimed at deliberately destroying the Arab character of the city, while the Western world, spearheaded by successive U.S. administrations, displays utter insensitivity, if not outright acquiescence, to this demographic crime.

Dr. Phares talks about the Moslems "demonizing those who have formed their national state, Israel." He seems to believe, along with many others, that the Jews of Palestine were a large community dispersed by the Romans and now entitled to return to their 'homeland'. According to Israel Finkelstein, an Israeli archeologist, in his monumental work 'The Bible Unearthed' [2001], the Hebrews were never a large community, never had a substantial kingdom, never were in Egypt (the exodus from Egypt is just a myth). The number of Jews dispersed by the Romans from Palestine was minimal; most Jews remained in Palestine, some gradually became Christians, and, some further on, Moslems.

The bulk of the Jews who have been pouring into Palestine for decades under the so-called 'Right of Return' have no demonstrable kinship to the Hebrew inhabitants of Palestine in Roman times. The fanatical settlers - especially those of East European or Russian origins - who claim to return to their 'ancestral land' are, as advanced by Arthur Koestler (a Hungarian Jew) in his scholarly work 'The Thirteenth Tribe' [1976], descendants of the Khazars, southern Russian tribes who converted to Judaism about 740 AD (ch.1). Their empire collapsed after their defeat by the Russians late in the 10th century and they dispersed all over Europe. Alfred Lilienthal (an American Jew) in an article written in 1981 titled "Zionism and American Jews" confirms: "In The Thirteenth Tribe, Arthur Koestler, supported overwhelmingly by such anthropologists as Ripley, Weissenberg, Hertz, Boas, Mead and Fishberg, proves that the vast majority of today's Jews are descendants of the Khazars of South Russia.. The Ben-Gurions, the Golda Meirs, and the Begins, who have clamored to go back 'home,' probably never had antecedents in that part of the world."

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The Arabian desert and the area around it gave birth to a number of tribes and civilizations - Phoenicians, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Arameans, Hebrews, Canaanites, Nabateans, etc. These tribes continuously drifted out of the desert into the fertile areas of the Levant and the Nile valley. Their languages were very similar, one could even call them dialects of the same language. Even present-day Hebrew shares remarkable similarities with Arabic. These tribes had different religions. At one time most were pagan, some were Jewish. With the advent of Christianity some became Christian. Thus Christianity was not an ethnic denomination but a religion adopted by many of these tribes. Many of the great Arab poets of pre-Islamic times were Christian, (Imru'-al-Qays, Amr ibn-Kulthum, Tarafa ibn al-Abed, among others).

The language prevalent in the Arab world today is called Arabic, but it is no more than the dialect of one major Arab tribe, Qureish, which became the language of the Quran. That language spread like wildfire in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Palestine and northern Egypt because the people in these areas were effectively already speaking dialects of the same language.

What used to be known as Bilad Al Sham (Greater Syria, if you will) was Arabized long before Islam. To quote Salibi again (ch. 5): "Since pre-Islamic times, Mount Lebanon appears to have been densely populated by Arab tribes.." In ch. 7: "To maintain that the Syrians came to be arabized after the conquest of their country by the Muslim Arabs was simply not correct, because Syria was already largely inhabited by Arabs - in fact, Christian Arabs - long before Islam."

When Islam expanded out of Arabia into what is now called the Middle East, most oriental Christians (Monophysites, Maronites, Nestorians) were in deep political and theological conflict with Byzantium. Many gradually converted to Islam, including the largest Arab tribe, the Taghlebs, who converted sometimes in the 10th century. These Christian Arab tribes may have found in Islam with its insistence on the indivisibility of God ("La Ilah Illa Allah" meaning 'There is no God, but God') a simplified version of their faith. The process involved no coercion. The only battles that took place were with the Byzantines. Most Christian Arabs - in fact all, except the Melchites who were allied theologically with the Byzantine Church) - cooperated actively with the Moslems, with many actually fighting alongside the Moslems (folklore has it that the Arab saying: "My brother and I against my cousin, and my cousin and I against the foreigner" dates from this period).

Numerous small, dissident Christian sects - among them the Copts and the Maronites - survived and even prospered under Islamic rule, while their equivalents in Christian Europe disappeared under official persecution. Many researchers going through the tax records (the Zakat paid by the Moslems as compared to the tribute, called the Jizya, paid by non-Moslems, mostly Christian) of the early Islamic rule of Syria and Egypt came to the conclusion that as late as the 12th century, i.e. six centuries after the rise of Islam, the majority of the population of Syria and Egypt was Christian, hardly indicative of any Islamic coercion to convert.

A quote from the eminent Bertrand Russell, a Nobel Prize winner, may be in order at this point:

I have always been told throughout my youth of the fanaticism of the Mohammedans, and especially that story of the destruction of the library at Alexandria. Well, I believed all these stories, but when I came to look into the history of the times concerned, I had a great many shocks. In the first place, I discovered that the library of Alexandria was destroyed a great many times, and the first time was by Julius Caesar. But the last time was supposed to have been by the Mohammedans, and for this I found no justification whatsoever. Nor did I find that the Mohammedans were fanatical. The contests between Catholics, Nestorians, and Monophysites were bitter and persecuting to the last degree. But the Mohammedans, when they conquered Christian countries, allowed the Christians to be perfectly free, provided they pay a tribute. The only penalty for being a Christian was that you had to pay a tribute that Mohammedans did not have to pay. This proved completely successful, and the immense majority of the population became Mohammedans, but not through any fanaticism on the part of the Mohammedans. On the contrary they, in the earlier centuries of their power, represented free thought and tolerance to a degree that the Christians did not emulate until quite recent times.

Bertrand Russell (Eng. philosopher, 1872-1970): "Reading History As It Is Never Written" [1959]

Of prime historical significance is the fact that in the early stages of Arab rule, Christians Arabs played a crucial cultural role, highly appreciated by the Islamic rulers. Due to their familiarity with the Greek heritage, they helped translate the legacy of Greece to Arabic, giving an intellectual boost to the emerging Arab civilization which was later, through its outposts in Spain and Sicily, to rouse Europe from the slumber of its dark ages.

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Is there such a thing as an Arab ethnicity at present? I think not. There is no group of people in the world that can claim pure ethnicity, except perhaps in some remote islands. Let me take as an example France, which is proud of its cultural, historic, and moral heritage. Most of Southern France is Italian in its ethnic origins; farther west it is Basque; up north, it is Breton and Norman. Paris was a haven for refugees throughout its history. Even Napoleon, to whom the French pay homage, was from Italo-French Corsica. Can one claim that there is such a thing as, ethnically, a French race?

There is, however, such a thing as an Arab culture. Apart from the obvious racial minorities (Christians and animists in Southern Sudan, Kurds in Syria and Iraq, Berbers in North Africa, and a few others), the rest of the population is culturally Arab. Culture is the language they speak, the poetry they recite, the songs they sing, the foods they eat, the music they dance to, and the history they share.

Trying to find ethnic slots in which to place various peoples is first an exercise in futility, and second in racism. Cultures do exist, however, and whether we like it or not, whether some scattered thinkers in and outside the Arab world like it or not, whether some self-hating Arabs like it or not, we are - for better or for worse - part of the Arab culture. Arab Christians have contributed a lot to this culture, and they should be proud of their contributions. Those who deny this heritage are reneging on their cultural roots and trying to identify with some extinct civilizations. They are turning their backs on the Christian giants of Arab culture - the Gibrans, the Naimehs, the Bustanis, the Yazigis, the Zeidans, the various Khourys, the Abou Madis, the Maaloofs, the Al-Akhtals (old and new), and yes, the Fayrouzes, the Rahbanis, the Al Roumis - and trying to find their heroes in the tombs of Byblos and the sarcophagi of Egypt.

Needless to say, many Arabs are dissatisfied with the current state of Arab affairs. Things do look frustrating, depressing and seemingly hopeless. During such periods of national malaise, there is a tendency among some intellectuals to deny even belonging to their own culture and to find an outlet in esoteric ideas and fanatic ideologies. That is one of many reasons why Communism took over Russia, Nazism took over Germany and radical Islamism is now holding itself as an alternative to secular Arabism. But the current torpor in our political landscape is no reason to create an imagined identity for ourselves from the ruins of defunct civilizations. Nor is it sufficient justification to distance ourselves from our Arab culture and attach ourselves to a technologically and militarily superior West, whose past and present morality - massacres, wars, religious pogroms, colonialism, and ethnic cleansings, up to and including Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, Bagram and the unconditional support of Israel's genocidal policies - are hardly occasion for great pride.

There are many agitators who have a political agenda and are keen to distort history and statistics to fit such an agenda, imagining ethnic differences where none exist. They are either alien to this culture - or have alienated themselves from it - and are trying to fabricate falsehoods and pass them on as history to uninformed listeners or readers. They are trying to invent for Arab Christians an artificial identity antagonistic to the environment they have always been part of, not realizing - or maybe they are - that by nurturing such a rift they might be creating among Arab Christians an anti-Islamic 'fifth column', disloyal to its own culture and probably imperiling whole Christian communities in the Arab Middle East. And for what? To toady to Israel and its patrons in the U.S.?

The millions of Christians are a dynamic part of the Arab landscape and should remain so. They should cooperate with the Moslems to develop a secular society where all citizens are equal, regardless of religious affiliation or ethnic (imagined or real) background. They should not be encouraged to adopt a confrontational attitude towards their compatriots, and they should refuse to becomes pawns of foreign powers trying to dominate, destabilize, and re-colonize the Middle East, as exemplified by the enormous military and financial backing bestowed over the years upon Israel and the recent military assault on Iraq. Perhaps the imperative of Christian-Moslem harmony applies to Lebanon nowadays more than ever.

We Arab Christians should avoid at all costs to forge alliances with any new crusaders against Arabs or Islam. We should support the Arab's struggle today against these neo-crusaders who are masquerading as liberators and democracy promoters, and who are trying to disfigure Arab history and reshape Arab culture and values. Our contributions to Arab culture are immense. We really don't need some cultural defectors to instill in us a persecution complex and a hostile mindset towards our fellow citizens, when we should act, as we always did, as bridges between the Arab world and the West.

Arabs - Moslems and Christians - have their hands full right now trying to field the onslaught of Zionist and neo-conservative propaganda spewing out of the West, without having to contend with a contingent of self-hating Arabs in their midst. In this charged political atmosphere of demonization of Arabs and Islam, we should reclaim our role as defenders, interpreters, interlocutors, spokespersons of our geographical hinterland, of our Arab depth. We have helped the nascent Arab empire in its early years gain access to the Greek classics, we have helped reawaken Arab identity from its Ottoman stupor. Let us not allow Western and/or Israeli fundamentalists to cast a pall over it again.

When the crusaders entered Jerusalem in 1099, we, Arab Christians, were massacred along with the Moslems. The brutality in Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan clearly demonstrates that the morality of the new crusaders is no better than the morality of those who came here centuries ago.

Raja G. Mattar is a former Middle East regional manager of a multinational company and is currently a business consultant living in Beirut. He can be contacted at ranimar@cyberia.net.lb


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Offline jacob

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Re: Arab Christians are Arabs
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2009, 10:52:07 PM »
What utter bullsh*t!  So typical of the type of historical revisionism that comes out of a lot of non-relevant Arab "experts."  This is just regurgitated Arab nationalist propaganda to make Arabs think they invented the world, that they're important, and that all their current problems are the fault of the Jews or Zionists depending on which non-distinct synonym they feel like throwing around improperly.  But adding in the "Arameo-Arab Christians" and speaking of the Assyrians only in reference to ancient times is unforgivable and downright reckless.  This author attempts so many revisions that it was hard to keep up with.

Another example would be the slick twist of words used here, "The Arabian desert and the area around it gave birth to a number of tribes and civilizations - Phoenicians, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Arameans, Hebrews, Canaanites, Nabateans, etc. These tribes continuously drifted out of the desert into the fertile areas of the Levant and the Nile valley. Their languages were very similar, one could even call them dialects of the same language. Even present-day Hebrew shares remarkable similarities with Arabic."

Here saying that these people came from the Arabian desert, thus ascribing a more modern term to a geographic location, is one form of clever revisionism.  It makes it appear that the Arabs of the Arabian desert were even around and prominent enough to have the desert or greater peninsula named after them.  The fact is that there were people there, but the oldest known recording of the word Arab doesn't come until the 9th century BC, about two hundred years before the fall of the last Assyrian king.  This is the same as people today who refer to ancient people who came from Kurdistan.  It's reckless usage of terminology.

The other clever twist here is the phrasing, "Even present-day Hebrew shares remarkable similarities with Arabic."  This makes it appear, by using the words present-day that Hebrew is a more modern language to Arabic, with possible roots in Arabic.  Actually we know that Hebrew is the modern version of Classical Hebrew, which sprung up around the same time as Aramaic did and before any recording of an Arabic language. (Note that I say Aramaic and not Assyrian) Trying to separate Hebrew from it's ancient ancestor is another way of furthering the myth, as this author also does, of claiming that the Jews of the Middle East are not the descendants of the ancient Hebrews and thus claiming an Arab superiority and greater claim to the land of the Middle East.  I'm not saying they don't have a right to exist there, just not more of a right than any of the other ancient people that are native to those areas.  Also, just as Hebrew has a modern and older classical liturgical version, so does Arabic in it's modern form compared to it's Quranic form or that of Arabic spoken during the Umayyad or Abassid times.

There were so many other faults in this article that I can't even go on anymore.  I actually wish I hadn't wasted my time reading most of it and getting my blood pressure up.

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Re: Arab Christians are Arabs
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2009, 08:44:57 AM »
Just ignore Shammor and what he writes/paste here. Just an arab trying to feel better and think everything came from the arabs like you said.

Copts are not arabs. Copts are the real egyptians (but of course there have been probably som mixing), they speak "the final stage of the Egyptian language" which is coptic. Copt also means egyptian.

And I really doubt that the maronites are arab and they are defiently not fenician either. If anything I think they are assyrian.
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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2009, 12:56:13 AM »


come on Shamor, real Arab exist only in the Arab desert( Saudia Arabia) of today, the rest were arabized by the moslem INVADORS

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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2009, 07:47:06 PM »

come on Shamor, real Arab exist only in the Arab desert( Saudia Arabia) of today, the rest were arabized by the moslem INVADORS

but it doesnt matter, the world and even you considering them as arabs....even libanes are considering themsleves as arabs but christians

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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2009, 11:34:12 PM »
Just ignore Shammor and what he writes/paste here. Just an arab trying to feel better and think everything came from the arabs like you said.

Copts are not arabs. Copts are the real egyptians (but of course there have been probably som mixing), they speak "the final stage of the Egyptian language" which is coptic. Copt also means egyptian.

And I really doubt that the maronites are arab and they are defiently not fenician either. If anything I think they are assyrian.

Agreed, this clown has been on avn for a few weeks now spewing his propaganda. Even trying to prove to us that Assyrians are Arabs
and they were not native to Assyria (Northern Iraq). I don’t bother with his garbage. We know what is our rightful claim, we and the world know who we are and where we are from. So keep posting and keep uploading stupid Youtube videos.
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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2009, 11:15:09 AM »
but it doesnt matter, the world and even you consider them as arabs....even libanes are considering themsleves as arabs but christians

considering them as arabs is different from what is he trying to proove.

I dont know who's agenda are some people serving today by making all the so called arab of today (originally arabs) and making the inhabitors of mezopotamia the founders of the greatest civilization Arab too

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« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2009, 04:33:46 AM »
When we see the Arabs making not even inventing a hair pin then we can say they did something.

There is a hidden conflict in the Middle East amongst Christians which un fortunately is being exploited by muslim Arab national movements in order to gain sympathizers. If we take a close look at the Christians of Lebanon for example, we will see that the Maronites are split between those who believe that they are by ethnicity Phoenicians and by Church affiliation Syrians (Syriacs) while there are other Maronites who consider themselves as arab Christians and part of that so-called Arab nationalism.

The Maronites who consider themselves arabs have no problem in allying themselves with the socialist, communist or any other left wing party whereby the majority of members in these parties are muslims. However, the Christians who really accept themselves as being arab-Christians and have a long history joining forces with left wing movements are the Greek Orthodox Christians in Lebanon and they are readily accept that they came down from the arab Ghassanid, Taghleb and Manathera tribes who were arabs from the Arab Peninsula but who embraced Christianity, the three tribes followed either the Monophysite dogma or what erroneously became known as "Nestorian". We have discussed this on the Forum before and at one point I wrote that the Taghleb tribe even though they were Christians but they were so powerful and feared that all through the arab commnunities they used to say:"If it was not for Islam, Taghleb would have swallowed the world".

The article was written in 2005 but for those in the know, they will instantly notice that the name of the writer is very common amongst Greek Orthodox Lebanese and Greek Orthodox Palestinians who readily identify themselves as being Arabs and that is why his nerves went array at what Dr. Walid Phares had written. Walid Phares is Lebanese and he used to lecture always on the non-arab origins of the Maronites, he is a Maronite Christian.

His articles and lectures created a stir amongst the Diaspora Lebanese but they were good in awakening the Lebanese spirit for the lack of a better term within the generations of Lebanese youth born in the United States in particular.

It is certainly rediculous to say that every one is Arab, but the writer of the article had one point which I personally hold against the Maronites, since it was some Maronites who had begun the revival of Arab nationalism after decades of Ottoman rule and that is how the Maronites lost their mother tongue, the Western Assyrian accent "Maerboyo" otherwise until the later 1800's, the Maronites still learned West Assyrian, commonly known as Syriac, and Gibran Kahlil Gibran the famous writer even mentions that he studied the language when he was little.

There is too much rubbish floating around and our duty as Assyrians since we can not do any thing else for the moment is to clear that which concerns us from all the rubbish we hear or read about, and at any occasion we have a powerful source the internet which we can use to communicate to others our point of view and also to answer and refute what wrong history others try to attribute to us.
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Re: Arab Christians are Arabs
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2010, 10:58:50 AM »
every assyrian, kurd, turk.. who speaks arabic, is muslims and calls him self arab, is 100000% pure arab.  being arab is not about the race you have. real arabs live in yemen, suadi arabira and guulf states. gulf states are already mixes. iraq is heavily mixed with assyrian/babylonian blood. syrians are not arab at all...

its just, if you want to be an arab you can be one.. arabs see assyrians, babylonians, chaldeans, arameans as their ancestors in syria/iraq... so they see us as arabs as well.

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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2017, 11:15:23 PM »
Arab Christians are not fully Arabs nor fully Assyrian/Mesopotamian.

They're generally a mix of the two. Some are more Arab and others are more Syriac.
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