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The Kurdish referendum.
« on: September 24, 2017, 04:27:15 PM »
The Kurdish referendum is tomorrow.

Even if the majority vote YES, it won't mean much. Majority are against this -except for Israel-and is doomed to fail.

And for those own Assyrians who are cheering for this, shame on you. Just because you don't want to be under the control of the central government, doesn't mean you should be happy Kurds are trying to form a state at our expense and our history.


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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2017, 05:06:52 PM »
The Kurdish referendum is tomorrow.

Even if the majority vote YES, it won't mean much. Majority are against this -except for Israel-and is doomed to fail.

And for those own Assyrians who are cheering for this, shame on you. Just because you don't want to be under the control of the central government, doesn't mean you should be happy Kurds are trying to form a state at our expense and our history.


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At least ASH, they'll get their independence but they'll be blockaded to hell.

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2017, 03:20:27 PM »
It will be a blow to us if it happens. But as mrzurnaci said there will be repercussions, and the Assyrians will then again be victims because they're in the middle of all this.

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2017, 03:20:27 PM »

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2017, 03:58:15 PM »
It will be a blow to us if it happens. But as mrzurnaci said there will be repercussions, and the Assyrians will then again be victims because they're in the middle of all this.

unless the direct congress aid bill to us and Yezidis gets passed. Kurds can't lobby against it considering they've already got on USAs bad side.

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2017, 05:09:14 PM »
Just got the results

Erbil 84% Yes
Dohuk 90% Yes
Kirkuk 80% yes
Khaniqeen 80%
 Akri 94% yes
Zakho 94% yes
Ninava plain 80% yes

No results for selemani yet . will update once i get it .
« Last Edit: September 25, 2017, 05:11:10 PM by nejepnerast »

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2017, 07:57:25 PM »
Ninava plain 80% yes
Doesn't matter, this vote was non-binding. Those numbers are probably skewed in many ways too.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2017, 08:07:36 PM by mrzurnaci »

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2017, 02:14:57 PM »
Hahahaha, the clown Erdogan is a funny Sunni Muslim Daesh terrorist. His barking is very funny. Every time when I see that clown on tv I must laugh all the time.

The only people who will starve to death will be the Turks. Without Kurdish oil and PKK revolution Turkish economy and Turkish state will go down badly.

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2017, 02:31:04 PM »
The Neolithic Revolution and urbanisation was born in Kurdistan. We don't need other to feed ourselves. We NEVER needed the outside world for 10000 years. Kurdistan has always been self sufficient at the first place. We have got everything in our beloved Aryan Zagros Kurdish mountains. For us it is not about our KURIDSH OIL, it is about our beloved Kurdistan. All what we need are our cattle (sheep), milk products, bread and water.

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2017, 03:54:49 PM »
Ancient old prophecy, the GOD’s will, is becoming a reality. The return of the Medes is a FACT! It is God’s will and nobody can act against GOD. After the genocide in Shengal/Ezdixan Tause Melek is accelerating the will of GOD and that is the free independent GREAT Kurdistan, with Ezdixan a federal region within Great Kurdistan, from Amed to Kermanshah.

There is no force/power in this world who can stop this divine process and act against the will of GOD. And definitely not subhuman Turkic Mongoloid or Arab Semitic moneys. Turks and Arabs are nothing but sh!ttttttttttt. They can do nothing, just useless bunch of subhuman monkeys.

The Kurdish ARYAN Phoenix is awaken!!




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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2017, 05:46:34 PM »
Ancient old prophecy, the GOD’s will, is becoming a reality. The return of the Medes is a FACT! It is God’s will and nobody can act against GOD. After the genocide in Shengal/Ezdixan Tause Melek is accelerating the will of GOD and that is the free independent GREAT Kurdistan, with Ezdixan a federal region within Great Kurdistan, from Amed to Kermanshah.

There is no force/power in this world who can stop this divine process and act against the will of GOD. And definitely not subhuman Turkic Mongoloid or Arab Semitic moneys. Turks and Arabs are nothing but sh!ttttttttttt. They can do nothing, just useless bunch of subhuman monkeys.

The Kurdish ARYAN Phoenix is awaken!!

https://www.ezidikhan.net/baba-sheikh-kurdish-referendum-is-not-for-yezidis/

you're not fooling anyone here...

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2017, 06:01:32 PM »
https://www.ezidikhan.net/baba-sheikh-kurdish-referendum-is-not-for-yezidis/

you're not fooling anyone here...
What do you mean? I'm not Baba Shex, lol.

And he is right.

Ezdixan will be own region/country at the first place and never will be part of KRG/Barzanistan or Semitic/Arabic Iraq.

You don't read between the lines. He never said that Ezdixan should be part of Semitic/Arabic Iraq.

He is right by saying that Ezdixan/Shengal is respectively own region/state.


Like Rojava is separate from 'KRG', so will be Ezdixan.


The point is when Great Kurdistan will be established all Kurdish parts of Kurdistan will unite and will become 1 Great (Pan) Kurdistan. Turkey and Iran is next in like and going down very, very fast.


Our enemies are f*ckin' morons.....

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2017, 06:26:21 PM »
What do you mean? I'm not Baba Shex, lol.

And he is right.

Ezdixan will be own region/country at the first place and never will be part of KRG/Barzanistan or Semitic/Arabic Iraq.

You don't read between the lines. He never said that Ezdixan should be part of Semitic/Arabic Iraq.

He is right by saying that Ezdixan/Shengal is respectively own region/state.


Like Rojava is separate from 'KRG', so will be Ezdixan.


The point is when Great Kurdistan will be established all Kurdish parts of Kurdistan will unite and will become 1 Great (Pan) Kurdistan. Turkey and Iran is next in like and going down very, very fast.


Our enemies are f*ckin' morons.....

(  “Ezidikhan’s policy toward Kurdistan and Iraq is and remains one of strict neutrality. The Kurdish referendum is not for Yezidis, but for Kurds only to decide. Yezidis have their own autonomous nation.”  )

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2017, 05:59:04 AM »
(  “Ezidikhan’s policy toward Kurdistan and Iraq is and remains one of strict neutrality. The Kurdish referendum is not for Yezidis, but for Kurds only to decide. Yezidis have their own autonomous nation.”  )
First of all, he is not a politician, but our 'pope', the most supreme religious leader. And he is saying what all Ezdi Kurds think, Ezdi Kurds are the 'purest' Kurds. We are closer in every regard to the original proto-Kurds than other non-Ezdi Kurds. There are some differences with Ezdi Kurds and other non-Ezdi Kurds. But there are much more similar things, like our Aryan language and our Aryan race.

We have our religious leaders, but have also got our politicians and military leaders. Ezdi Kurds are not fanatics, like genocidal Muslim terrorists, who think 24/7 about our religion. At this moment the most important thing is survival. Our race and our Aryan language is our priority. Why do you think that Ezdi Kurds don't mix with other races? because we want our race to stay 'pure'. That means that our Aryan race and 'purity' of it is more important than our religion.

Arabs and Turks don't belong to our race. They have different origin and different race. That's why our future will never be the same. Ezdi Kurds will never accept Arabs or Turk like own people. Arabs & Turk are not Ezdi and will NEVER be. That's why we have nothing to do with Arabs and Turks.

To me my 'Aryan' race is more important than my religion. Our race is the chosen race of Tause Melek, and if we change our race, we will not be the same people who were chosen by Tause Melek. I mean without our Aryan race our Aryan religion is useless. Our Aryan religion is interconnected to our Aryan race. People of other races can't be Ezdi or chosen people of Tause Melek, since Melek Tause have chosen our race and not other races.

Ezdi Kurds and other non-Ezdi Kurds belong to the same Aryan race. We have the same roots and we will have the same future.


For survival of our Aryan race, all Kurds need to stick together. All Kurds share the same enemies and we need stick together to defeat our enemies. Great Kurdistan is in the interests of Ezdi Kurds, because our Aryan race will be more safe within Great Kurdistan. Great Kurdistan is like an institution to protect our Aryan race. We have to much enemies. Ezdixan alone without Great Kurdistan will not survive for a long time. We have to much Muslim Turkish and Arabic enemies around us. That's why all Kurds need to stick together.


And when I say that I do support Kurdistan, by that I do always mean 'Great' (Pan) Kurdistan. Barzani is a war criminal a Sunni Muslim terrorist and a genocidal maniac. He will pay for his betrayal of Shengal. But our focus at this moment is Kurdistan. When we settle down our beloved Kurdistan we will get rid of him. Than we will choose our own good leaders who will represent our Aryan people.



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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2017, 12:03:08 PM »
92,73 voted for independent.

Nobody can do anything, just some barking from Iraq and Turkey. Both FAILED states are useless and cant fight a war. The only treat is from the Persians, because Persians must act out of self defence. The USA wants to see Persia down, because Persians are still developing nukes. Israel wants to stop Persia before it is to late. It is to late with North Korea, but it is not to late for Persia. So that's why Persia will be stopped.

And now Persians think that Kurds are going to help Israel/US to attack Persia, that's why maybe Persia will attack first out of fear. They might think that the best offence is defence. But it will be a suicidal mission. The very first day attack on Kurds will mean the end of Persia. It is absolutely not possible that Persians can win a war against 50 million Kurds.

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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2017, 12:29:32 PM »
First of all, he is not a politician, but our 'pope', the most supreme religious leader. And he is saying what all Ezdi Kurds think, Ezdi Kurds are the 'purest' Kurds. We are closer in every regard to the original proto-Kurds than other non-Ezdi Kurds. There are some differences with Ezdi Kurds and other non-Ezdi Kurds. But there are much more similar things, like our Aryan language and our Aryan race.

We have our religious leaders, but have also got our politicians and military leaders. Ezdi Kurds are not fanatics, like genocidal Muslim terrorists, who think 24/7 about our religion. At this moment the most important thing is survival. Our race and our Aryan language is our priority. Why do you think that Ezdi Kurds don't mix with other races? because we want our race to stay 'pure'. That means that our Aryan race and 'purity' of it is more important than our religion.

Ok then why did Baba Shex say "Ezidis" and "Kurds" like they're two separate people? Why didn't he say "Ezidi Kurds" like you're doing now?
Doesn't seem like the Yezidi Pope considers himself or other Yezidis as Kurds.

"“Ezidikhan’s policy toward Kurdistan and Iraq is and remains one of strict neutrality. The Kurdish referendum is not for Yezidis, but for Kurds only to decide. Yezidis have their own autonomous nation.”"

That's the quote, he's referring to Kurds separately from Yezidis. If Yezidis were Kurds, then saying "Kurds" would include Yezidis but he specifically goes out of his way to exclude Yezidis from Kurds.

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2017, 03:03:08 PM »
Ok then why did Baba Shex say "Ezidis" and "Kurds" like they're two separate people? Why didn't he say "Ezidi Kurds" like you're doing now?
Doesn't seem like the Yezidi Pope considers himself or other Yezidis as Kurds.

"“Ezidikhan’s policy toward Kurdistan and Iraq is and remains one of strict neutrality. The Kurdish referendum is not for Yezidis, but for Kurds only to decide. Yezidis have their own autonomous nation.”"

That's the quote, he's referring to Kurds separately from Yezidis. If Yezidis were Kurds, then saying "Kurds" would include Yezidis but he specifically goes out of his way to exclude Yezidis from Kurds.
First of all we don't know even for sure if he ever said that. I know many Ezdi Kurds who think like him. But it is up to them to think what they want. The outside world has no right to decide for them what to think or what to do. I do understand the Ezdi who say that they are different people from Muslim Kurds. As an Ezdi I do understand their feeling and their disappointments, after what the Muslims Kurds have done to us.
But there is also something like REALITY. It is what it is. People should not make decisions with their emotion and by their feelings. People need to face hard facts, then they can tackle problems.

So, even if he said that, it is his opinion. It is okay to have an opinion. But we have to face the reality and choose what is the best for the Ezdi Kurds. Baba Shex is a religious leader and not a political leader. In our Ezdi society religion and politics are 2 different things. Our religious leaders don't interfere in politics and are mostly occupied with the religion, like praying, holding religious events etc. This is what they are good at. They do understand that every person has got an opinion and personal view how politics should work. No opinion is right or wrong, since all of them are just opinions.  That's why religious leaders keep distance from politics and stay neutral.

In the past Ezdi politicians, rulers and military leaders never asked for advice from the religious leaders. All what they ask from them are just blessings to be lucky in their actions/life. Politics and religion are separated in our society. Baba Shex is not a better Ezdi because he is our 'Pope', lol. It is his destiny to be what he is now, and it is my destiny to be who I am. He is the same human as I am. And his opinion is worth as much as my opinion!


But once again, the outside world has no right to be arrogant and to decide for us what to think or what to do. I think what I want, I believe what I want and I do what I want...

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2017, 06:51:57 PM »
Doesn't matter, this vote was non-binding. Those numbers are probably skewed in many ways too.


It is a step in the right direction and a victory for the nationalists . One thing was amazing about this referendum was the level of Women's participation . Almost 50% of the voters were women and they led their men to the voting stations  :thumbsup: You gotta admire that .




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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2017, 10:18:36 PM »
It is a step in the right direction and a victory for the nationalists . One thing was amazing about this referendum was the level of Women's participation . Almost 50% of the voters were women and they led their men to the voting stations  :thumbsup: You gotta admire that .



I will admire that but I still gotta say that it doesn't matter, it's a non-binding referendum...

"What is a nonbinding referendum? A nonbinding referendum is a question that is included on a ballot during a town-wide vote. Voters are asked to answer the referendum, but the results are nonbinding."

from -> http://www.wickedlocal.com/x528720288/A-CLOSER-LOOK-What-is-a-nonbinding-referendum

This is more or less a vote of opinion which holds no legal sway.

It's a nice little election to see what people think (to prove a point?) but since it's non-binding, the KRG government did not de jure declare independence from Iraq.

« Last Edit: September 27, 2017, 11:30:53 PM by mrzurnaci »

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« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2017, 11:29:50 PM »
Assyrians cheered for these people, and they didn't get reprimanded for it:



I don't know what the big deal is. I don't why Assyrians are becoming so melodramatic about the Kurdish referendum. I mean, we're just going to have a layer of crap (Kurdistan) being poured over another layer of crap (Iraq). It's not like we had an autonomous region (or a nation even) where Kurds came out of nowhere and took it. That's when we call tell the supporters of Kurdistan to feel ashamed - if we condone Kurds taking our ACTIVE country or autonomous region. But the thing is, we don't even have a country. So I don't see how telling Assyrians to not support Kurdistan will help our cause, considering that half of us, hypocritically, are fans of Iraqi music and its sport teams. If you're so against Kurdistan, then be consistent and let go of your love towards another thief of a nation that also has our blood in its hand, even quite recently (*cough* Iraq).

P.S. Assyrians in Dohuk are laughing at how those in the west are overreacting. We don't even live there. So we don't know how their condition is. But from my relatives living there, they actually want the referendum and are happy with their life. Omg....such backstabbing, traitors, who hate our nation (from that very person who drapes himself with the Iraqi flag and cries in awe in the sight of the Iraq soccer team). Lol.  -_-
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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2017, 12:15:52 AM »
Assyrians cheered for these people, and they didn't get reprimanded for it:

I don't know what the big deal is. I don't why Assyrians are becoming so melodramatic about the Kurdish referendum. I mean, we're just going to have a layer of crap (Kurdistan) being poured over another layer of crap (Iraq). It's not like we had an autonomous region (or a nation even) where Kurds came out of nowhere and took it. That's when we call tell the supporters of Kurdistan to feel ashamed - if we condone Kurds taking our ACTIVE country or autonomous region. But the thing is, we don't even have a country. So I don't see how telling Assyrians to not support Kurdistan will help our cause, considering that half of us, hypocritically, are fans of Iraqi music and its sport teams. If you're so against Kurdistan, then be consistent and let go of your love towards another thief of a nation that also has our blood in its hand, even quite recently (*cough* Iraq).

P.S. Assyrians in Dohuk are laughing at how those in the west are overreacting. We don't even live there. So we don't know how their condition is. But from my relatives living there, they actually want the referendum and are happy with their life. Omg....such backstabbing, traitors, who hate our nation (from that very person who drapes himself with the Iraqi flag and cries in awe in the sight of the Iraq soccer team). Lol.  -_-

That's not the issue, the issue is how the KRG seems to be going out of its way to annex the Nineveh Plains when Kurds already have enough territory to hold 30+ to 50+ Million Kurds if they turned every village into a town or city...

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« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2017, 06:22:27 PM »
I will admire that but I still gotta say that it doesn't matter, it's a non-binding referendum...

"What is a nonbinding referendum? A nonbinding referendum is a question that is included on a ballot during a town-wide vote. Voters are asked to answer the referendum, but the results are nonbinding."

from -> http://www.wickedlocal.com/x528720288/A-CLOSER-LOOK-What-is-a-nonbinding-referendum

This is more or less a vote of opinion which holds no legal sway.

It's a nice little election to see what people think (to prove a point?) but since it's non-binding, the KRG government did not de jure declare independence from Iraq.


It is a big misconception to think that it is meaningless "little election " as you put it . KRG was determined to be taken seriously in Baghdad and around the world and this was the only way . They have a mandate now from the people of Kurdistan and all further negotiation will be based on these mandates , so frankly they have no choice but to get down from their high horses and accept the kurds as partners in united iraq .
As for independant I doubt it for now and if it happens it will be by turkish blessing . Let us be frank here Iran is taking over iraq and turkey wants a piece and Kurdistan is the only choice .
Barzani despite his tribal background is to be admired here. He is in a position to be the biggest problem or  the biggest solution to the kurdish issues within iran and Turkey and syria . Despite the rhetorics from iran , syria , turkey and iran non of them would dare to invade kurdistan for several reasons .

1-Kurds historically have been militarized people and frankly uncontrollable unless you are nice to them .
2-The international community will never allow that to happen now that Kurdistan established themselves as the good guys .
3-War with KRG will lead to a war in the heart of turkey and iran and will align KRG with PKK which will lead to even bigger problem for turkey and iran.
4-war is un affordable and too costly .
5-Economic sanctions will only strengthen KRG's Case for independence

I believe the cool heads will prevail at the end and some sort of settlement will be reached between KRG and Baghdad and kurdish objectives will be achieved . 


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« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2017, 06:44:19 PM »
That's not the issue, the issue is how the KRG seems to be going out of its way to annex the Nineveh Plains when Kurds already have enough territory to hold 30+ to 50+ Million Kurds if they turned every village into a town or city...

Honestly the only thing that is important now a days is peace and economy and if being part of iraq would bring peace and prosperity to kurds then i'm all for it  . Assyrian who live within KRG should consider themselves lucky because kurdish success is their success too and i promise you those assyrian who live within new iraq (if kurdistan separate ) will eventually run away to kurdistan too . You honestly think you can live among sunni arabs of today ? As i said before and according to all source Assyrian are not more that 300-400 thousands in the entire iraq and they do not constitute more than 1-2% of ninava plain . You want to stay within Iraq in the hope that one day you could separate and establish an Assyrian country ?
 

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« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2017, 06:52:07 PM »
Assyrians cheered for these people, and they didn't get reprimanded for it:



I don't know what the big deal is. I don't why Assyrians are becoming so melodramatic about the Kurdish referendum. I mean, we're just going to have a layer of crap (Kurdistan) being poured over another layer of crap (Iraq). It's not like we had an autonomous region (or a nation even) where Kurds came out of nowhere and took it. That's when we call tell the supporters of Kurdistan to feel ashamed - if we condone Kurds taking our ACTIVE country or autonomous region. But the thing is, we don't even have a country. So I don't see how telling Assyrians to not support Kurdistan will help our cause, considering that half of us, hypocritically, are fans of Iraqi music and its sport teams. If you're so against Kurdistan, then be consistent and let go of your love towards another thief of a nation that also has our blood in its hand, even quite recently (*cough* Iraq).

P.S. Assyrians in Dohuk are laughing at how those in the west are overreacting. We don't even live there. So we don't know how their condition is. But from my relatives living there, they actually want the referendum and are happy with their life. Omg....such backstabbing, traitors, who hate our nation (from that very person who drapes himself with the Iraqi flag and cries in awe in the sight of the Iraq soccer team). Lol.  -_-


love the post especially the part about  layer of crap (Kurdistan) being poured over another layer of crap (Iraq) :) . Let us hope we can use this crap for something useful instead of fighting over it . This crap is for everyone and if you ever nominate yourself as a president of this crap you will have my vote :)

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« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2017, 10:33:26 PM »
Honestly the only thing that is important now a days is peace and economy and if being part of iraq would bring peace and prosperity to kurds then i'm all for it  . Assyrian who live within KRG should consider themselves lucky because kurdish success is their success too and i promise you those assyrian who live within new iraq (if kurdistan separate ) will eventually run away to kurdistan too . You honestly think you can live among sunni arabs of today ? As i said before and according to all source Assyrian are not more that 300-400 thousands in the entire iraq and they do not constitute more than 1-2% of ninava plain . You want to stay within Iraq in the hope that one day you could separate and establish an Assyrian country ?
 

firstly, Nineveh Plains is MINIMUM 40% Assyrian. Secondly, there's not that many Sunni Arabs in the Nineveh Plains so I'm quite confused why you bring that up.

Also, why do you Kurds keep bringing up NUMBERS? Numbers do not matter, what matters is the make up. If numbers matter, why would the world listen to Kurds when there's more Arabs than Kurds? Or further, why listen to you and Arabs when Chinese and Hindus make up 2+ Billion people? See I can take that logic against you.

Thirdly, the point of the Nineveh Plains Region is to manage ourselves and be away from the Sunni Arabs. Why would we side with the same people that vastly supported ISIS?

Lastly, separate and establish an Assyrian country? We don't want a country, what we want is autonomy. We want to rule ourselves without someone breathing down our neck.

Let me take the wildest guess in the world, you're going to tell me KRG is going to give Assyrians autonomy in itself right? If that's the case, why doesn't the KRG do that right now? Is it against the constitution of Iraq and the KRG to have an autonomous sub-region within an autonomous region?

region-ception?
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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2017, 05:07:41 AM »
love the post especially the part about  layer of crap (Kurdistan) being poured over another layer of crap (Iraq) :) . Let us hope we can use this crap for something useful instead of fighting over it . This crap is for everyone and if you ever nominate yourself as a president of this crap you will have my vote :)
By crap I mean this referendum shouldn't mean anything to any of us Assyrians! Our lands were already settled by Romans, Mongols, Turks, Arabs and now it's Kurds. We've been threw this crap. Not sure why they're being dramatic about it now. We're acting like those anti-Trump liberal 'snowflakes'. You're either on their side, or you're a traitorous, inhumane bigot. Lol. And the funny thing is that the complainers are NOT even in Kurdistan, but in the prosperous western lands. Lmao.

Again, our land has already been shat on. Let the Kurds have their turn now.
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« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2017, 12:53:39 PM »
By crap I mean this referendum shouldn't mean anything to any of us Assyrians! Our lands were already settled by Romans, Mongols, Turks, Arabs and now it's Kurds. We've been threw this crap. Not sure why they're being dramatic about it now. We're acting like those anti-Trump liberal 'snowflakes'. You're either on their side, or you're a traitorous, inhumane bigot. Lol. And the funny thing is that the complainers are NOT even in Kurdistan, but in the prosperous western lands. Lmao.

Again, our land has already been shat on. Let the Kurds have their turn now.

We can always take the Kurds homeland, there's absolutely no Kurds there!

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« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2017, 02:46:43 PM »
The timing of the referendum is an interesting one. Let's put aside the official reason as the war on ISIS, the facts are actually different.

First of all there is an Iraqi election coming up next year and quite frankly I think Abadi would have lost. Don't forget, Abadi is closer to American than Iran and is at odds with Maliki, head of the Shia coalition and to be honest I think Abadi can use this opportunity to maybe safe himself. Iraqi politics are complicated at the moment and Abadi doesn't have room to breath.

Then comes the Turkish elections. At the moment, Erdogan has a partnership with the MHP (Turkish nationalist party) ever since loosing the Kurdish vote to the HDP, though, Erdogan still has many Kurdish votes, through endorsement from Barzani. Again, quite frankly, Erdogan will use this opportunity to squeeze the MHP and take the nationalist vote. It's also a distraction of Turkish inaction in Syria, something the nationalists were picking up on.

Bearing the above in mind, I expect the rhetoric from Turkey and Iraq to continue. We will see some symbolic action from both sides but nothing major. There will be no war. Iraq has a huge debt and can't take on Kurdistan militarily. Turkey can not afford a war and won't go to war. Let's take Rojava into consideration, as far as Turkey is concerned Rojava is a much bigger threat than an independent Kurdistan in Iraq that is on good terms with Turkey. Yet, Turkey has been reluctant and unable to invade Rojava. KRG is out of the question.

There are a lot more domestic politics involved than you may know. However, the referendum would not have taken place without some understanding from America, despite their official stance, the Americans didn't do anything to stop it and are not doing anything now. The only sanctions that really matter are American sanctions.

P.S days before the referendum a major Russian oil company signed a contract to export gas to Turkey. Contracts like that do not go through without long term planning and if Turkey was really opposed to the referendum they would have waited until after the referendum.

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« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2017, 12:50:31 AM »
We can always take the Kurds homeland, there's absolutely no Kurds there!
Good call. Lol.

You mean Northern Iran? Where is their original homeland again?
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« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2017, 09:41:18 PM »
Good call. Lol.

You mean Northern Iran? Where is their original homeland again?


Considering Kurds say they descend from Medes (not culturally or linguistically).

The Kurdish homeland aka the land which the Kurds and their name was made in resides from Hamadan, North Up from Hamadan (rest of North Western Iran) and the Southern part of Azerbaijan.

I used the Median homeland as a reference point


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« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2017, 12:35:45 AM »
Considering Kurds say they descend from Medes (not culturally or linguistically).

The Kurdish homeland aka the land which the Kurds and their name was made in resides from Hamadan, North Up from Hamadan (rest of North Western Iran) and the Southern part of Azerbaijan.

I used the Median homeland as a reference point



That's like, in the middle of Iran.

Isn't it filled with Iranian cities and towns? Wiki says there are 473,149 living in Hamadan. So 400K Iranians versus how much, 80K Assyrians (who live in the homeland)?
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« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2017, 12:48:51 AM »
That's like, in the middle of Iran.

Isn't it filled with Iranian cities and towns? Wiki says there are 473,149 living in Hamadan. So 400K Iranians versus how much, 80K Assyrians (who live in the homeland)?

I meant every Assyrian going there... Not what Assyrians are left in Iran. Where the hell did you get that idea? I didn't even imply that idea...

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« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2017, 10:17:23 PM »
The timing of the referendum is an interesting one. Let's put aside the official reason as the war on ISIS, the facts are actually different.

First of all there is an Iraqi election coming up next year and quite frankly I think Abadi would have lost. Don't forget, Abadi is closer to American than Iran and is at odds with Maliki, head of the Shia coalition and to be honest I think Abadi can use this opportunity to maybe safe himself. Iraqi politics are complicated at the moment and Abadi doesn't have room to breath.

Then comes the Turkish elections. At the moment, Erdogan has a partnership with the MHP (Turkish nationalist party) ever since loosing the Kurdish vote to the HDP, though, Erdogan still has many Kurdish votes, through endorsement from Barzani. Again, quite frankly, Erdogan will use this opportunity to squeeze the MHP and take the nationalist vote. It's also a distraction of Turkish inaction in Syria, something the nationalists were picking up on.

Bearing the above in mind, I expect the rhetoric from Turkey and Iraq to continue. We will see some symbolic action from both sides but nothing major. There will be no war. Iraq has a huge debt and can't take on Kurdistan militarily. Turkey can not afford a war and won't go to war. Let's take Rojava into consideration, as far as Turkey is concerned Rojava is a much bigger threat than an independent Kurdistan in Iraq that is on good terms with Turkey. Yet, Turkey has been reluctant and unable to invade Rojava. KRG is out of the question.

There are a lot more domestic politics involved than you may know. However, the referendum would not have taken place without some understanding from America, despite their official stance, the Americans didn't do anything to stop it and are not doing anything now. The only sanctions that really matter are American sanctions.

P.S days before the referendum a major Russian oil company signed a contract to export gas to Turkey. Contracts like that do not go through without long term planning and if Turkey was really opposed to the referendum they would have waited until after the referendum.

Nothing is surprising here and everyone gains something ,but the biggest winner is turkey .

1-Barzani enters history with this referendum ,but there will not be any real push for independent now . Both Baghdad and Erbil will eventually reach some sort of compromises and the money will start flowing to Kurdistan and this whole issue will be put to sleep  .

2-It is turkey who gave the green light for the referendum to teach the iraqi shia government a lesson after their open support to PKK and the open hostility , war of words with turkey for the last couple of year .Turkey never really objected to the referendum until it was done and Within one day of referendum a high delegation from shia led government was on turkey licking Ergogans ball and offering to compensate turkey for any damages from oil going from kurdistan to turkey . Iraqi PM is to visit turkey soon too to offer more money and a promise to never support PKK .

3-Turkey's relation with Iran was pretty much stagnated and dead due to shia vs sunni  issues , but now after the referendum turkish PM will be visiting iran soon and the trade between iran and turkey will be at all time hight . Turkey's trade with Kurdistan nothing in compare to open iranian market 

4-war of words and symbolic actions will continue for another few months , but war will never happen .

Turkey killed 4 birds (iran ,iraq , kurdistan , PKK )with one stone . Turkey is stronger , richer and safer  .

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« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2017, 10:20:45 PM »
Considering Kurds say they descend from Medes (not culturally or linguistically).

The Kurdish homeland aka the land which the Kurds and their name was made in resides from Hamadan, North Up from Hamadan (rest of North Western Iran) and the Southern part of Azerbaijan.

I used the Median homeland as a reference point
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« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2017, 10:27:05 PM »
I meant every Assyrian going there... Not what Assyrians are left in Iran. Where the hell did you get that idea? I didn't even imply that idea...
I made the 'idea' myself. I didn't mean you implying it or anything.

But my point remains valid. That part of Iran is still very populated, and not by just Kurds but Persians too.
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« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2017, 10:32:29 PM »
By crap I mean this referendum shouldn't mean anything to any of us Assyrians! Our lands were already settled by Romans, Mongols, Turks, Arabs and now it's Kurds. We've been threw this crap. Not sure why they're being dramatic about it now. We're acting like those anti-Trump liberal 'snowflakes'. You're either on their side, or you're a traitorous, inhumane bigot. Lol. And the funny thing is that the complainers are NOT even in Kurdistan, but in the prosperous western lands. Lmao.

Again, our land has already been shat on. Let the Kurds have their turn now.
lol , man be realistic , My family can not get the land we owned 20 years ago and you still think you are the owner of the land you lost thousands of years ago .

 

Are you as an Assyrian for or against Kurdish referendum in Iraq .

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