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The Kurdish referendum.
« on: September 24, 2017, 04:27:15 PM »
The Kurdish referendum is tomorrow.

Even if the majority vote YES, it won't mean much. Majority are against this -except for Israel-and is doomed to fail.

And for those own Assyrians who are cheering for this, shame on you. Just because you don't want to be under the control of the central government, doesn't mean you should be happy Kurds are trying to form a state at our expense and our history.


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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2017, 05:06:52 PM »
The Kurdish referendum is tomorrow.

Even if the majority vote YES, it won't mean much. Majority are against this -except for Israel-and is doomed to fail.

And for those own Assyrians who are cheering for this, shame on you. Just because you don't want to be under the control of the central government, doesn't mean you should be happy Kurds are trying to form a state at our expense and our history.


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At least ASH, they'll get their independence but they'll be blockaded to hell.

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2017, 03:20:27 PM »
It will be a blow to us if it happens. But as mrzurnaci said there will be repercussions, and the Assyrians will then again be victims because they're in the middle of all this.

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2017, 03:20:27 PM »

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2017, 03:58:15 PM »
It will be a blow to us if it happens. But as mrzurnaci said there will be repercussions, and the Assyrians will then again be victims because they're in the middle of all this.

unless the direct congress aid bill to us and Yezidis gets passed. Kurds can't lobby against it considering they've already got on USAs bad side.

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2017, 05:09:14 PM »
Just got the results

Erbil 84% Yes
Dohuk 90% Yes
Kirkuk 80% yes
Khaniqeen 80%
 Akri 94% yes
Zakho 94% yes
Ninava plain 80% yes

No results for selemani yet . will update once i get it .
« Last Edit: September 25, 2017, 05:11:10 PM by nejepnerast »

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2017, 07:57:25 PM »
Ninava plain 80% yes
Doesn't matter, this vote was non-binding. Those numbers are probably skewed in many ways too.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2017, 08:07:36 PM by mrzurnaci »

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2017, 02:14:57 PM »
Hahahaha, the clown Erdogan is a funny Sunni Muslim Daesh terrorist. His barking is very funny. Every time when I see that clown on tv I must laugh all the time.

The only people who will starve to death will be the Turks. Without Kurdish oil and PKK revolution Turkish economy and Turkish state will go down badly.

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2017, 02:31:04 PM »
The Neolithic Revolution and urbanisation was born in Kurdistan. We don't need other to feed ourselves. We NEVER needed the outside world for 10000 years. Kurdistan has always been self sufficient at the first place. We have got everything in our beloved Aryan Zagros Kurdish mountains. For us it is not about our KURIDSH OIL, it is about our beloved Kurdistan. All what we need are our cattle (sheep), milk products, bread and water.

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2017, 03:54:49 PM »
Ancient old prophecy, the GOD’s will, is becoming a reality. The return of the Medes is a FACT! It is God’s will and nobody can act against GOD. After the genocide in Shengal/Ezdixan Tause Melek is accelerating the will of GOD and that is the free independent GREAT Kurdistan, with Ezdixan a federal region within Great Kurdistan, from Amed to Kermanshah.

There is no force/power in this world who can stop this divine process and act against the will of GOD. And definitely not subhuman Turkic Mongoloid or Arab Semitic moneys. Turks and Arabs are nothing but sh!ttttttttttt. They can do nothing, just useless bunch of subhuman monkeys.

The Kurdish ARYAN Phoenix is awaken!!




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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2017, 05:46:34 PM »
Ancient old prophecy, the GOD’s will, is becoming a reality. The return of the Medes is a FACT! It is God’s will and nobody can act against GOD. After the genocide in Shengal/Ezdixan Tause Melek is accelerating the will of GOD and that is the free independent GREAT Kurdistan, with Ezdixan a federal region within Great Kurdistan, from Amed to Kermanshah.

There is no force/power in this world who can stop this divine process and act against the will of GOD. And definitely not subhuman Turkic Mongoloid or Arab Semitic moneys. Turks and Arabs are nothing but sh!ttttttttttt. They can do nothing, just useless bunch of subhuman monkeys.

The Kurdish ARYAN Phoenix is awaken!!

https://www.ezidikhan.net/baba-sheikh-kurdish-referendum-is-not-for-yezidis/

you're not fooling anyone here...

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2017, 06:01:32 PM »
https://www.ezidikhan.net/baba-sheikh-kurdish-referendum-is-not-for-yezidis/

you're not fooling anyone here...
What do you mean? I'm not Baba Shex, lol.

And he is right.

Ezdixan will be own region/country at the first place and never will be part of KRG/Barzanistan or Semitic/Arabic Iraq.

You don't read between the lines. He never said that Ezdixan should be part of Semitic/Arabic Iraq.

He is right by saying that Ezdixan/Shengal is respectively own region/state.


Like Rojava is separate from 'KRG', so will be Ezdixan.


The point is when Great Kurdistan will be established all Kurdish parts of Kurdistan will unite and will become 1 Great (Pan) Kurdistan. Turkey and Iran is next in like and going down very, very fast.


Our enemies are f*ckin' morons.....

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2017, 06:26:21 PM »
What do you mean? I'm not Baba Shex, lol.

And he is right.

Ezdixan will be own region/country at the first place and never will be part of KRG/Barzanistan or Semitic/Arabic Iraq.

You don't read between the lines. He never said that Ezdixan should be part of Semitic/Arabic Iraq.

He is right by saying that Ezdixan/Shengal is respectively own region/state.


Like Rojava is separate from 'KRG', so will be Ezdixan.


The point is when Great Kurdistan will be established all Kurdish parts of Kurdistan will unite and will become 1 Great (Pan) Kurdistan. Turkey and Iran is next in like and going down very, very fast.


Our enemies are f*ckin' morons.....

(  “Ezidikhan’s policy toward Kurdistan and Iraq is and remains one of strict neutrality. The Kurdish referendum is not for Yezidis, but for Kurds only to decide. Yezidis have their own autonomous nation.”  )

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2017, 05:59:04 AM »
(  “Ezidikhan’s policy toward Kurdistan and Iraq is and remains one of strict neutrality. The Kurdish referendum is not for Yezidis, but for Kurds only to decide. Yezidis have their own autonomous nation.”  )
First of all, he is not a politician, but our 'pope', the most supreme religious leader. And he is saying what all Ezdi Kurds think, Ezdi Kurds are the 'purest' Kurds. We are closer in every regard to the original proto-Kurds than other non-Ezdi Kurds. There are some differences with Ezdi Kurds and other non-Ezdi Kurds. But there are much more similar things, like our Aryan language and our Aryan race.

We have our religious leaders, but have also got our politicians and military leaders. Ezdi Kurds are not fanatics, like genocidal Muslim terrorists, who think 24/7 about our religion. At this moment the most important thing is survival. Our race and our Aryan language is our priority. Why do you think that Ezdi Kurds don't mix with other races? because we want our race to stay 'pure'. That means that our Aryan race and 'purity' of it is more important than our religion.

Arabs and Turks don't belong to our race. They have different origin and different race. That's why our future will never be the same. Ezdi Kurds will never accept Arabs or Turk like own people. Arabs & Turk are not Ezdi and will NEVER be. That's why we have nothing to do with Arabs and Turks.

To me my 'Aryan' race is more important than my religion. Our race is the chosen race of Tause Melek, and if we change our race, we will not be the same people who were chosen by Tause Melek. I mean without our Aryan race our Aryan religion is useless. Our Aryan religion is interconnected to our Aryan race. People of other races can't be Ezdi or chosen people of Tause Melek, since Melek Tause have chosen our race and not other races.

Ezdi Kurds and other non-Ezdi Kurds belong to the same Aryan race. We have the same roots and we will have the same future.


For survival of our Aryan race, all Kurds need to stick together. All Kurds share the same enemies and we need stick together to defeat our enemies. Great Kurdistan is in the interests of Ezdi Kurds, because our Aryan race will be more safe within Great Kurdistan. Great Kurdistan is like an institution to protect our Aryan race. We have to much enemies. Ezdixan alone without Great Kurdistan will not survive for a long time. We have to much Muslim Turkish and Arabic enemies around us. That's why all Kurds need to stick together.


And when I say that I do support Kurdistan, by that I do always mean 'Great' (Pan) Kurdistan. Barzani is a war criminal a Sunni Muslim terrorist and a genocidal maniac. He will pay for his betrayal of Shengal. But our focus at this moment is Kurdistan. When we settle down our beloved Kurdistan we will get rid of him. Than we will choose our own good leaders who will represent our Aryan people.



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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2017, 12:03:08 PM »
92,73 voted for independent.

Nobody can do anything, just some barking from Iraq and Turkey. Both FAILED states are useless and cant fight a war. The only treat is from the Persians, because Persians must act out of self defence. The USA wants to see Persia down, because Persians are still developing nukes. Israel wants to stop Persia before it is to late. It is to late with North Korea, but it is not to late for Persia. So that's why Persia will be stopped.

And now Persians think that Kurds are going to help Israel/US to attack Persia, that's why maybe Persia will attack first out of fear. They might think that the best offence is defence. But it will be a suicidal mission. The very first day attack on Kurds will mean the end of Persia. It is absolutely not possible that Persians can win a war against 50 million Kurds.

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2017, 12:29:32 PM »
First of all, he is not a politician, but our 'pope', the most supreme religious leader. And he is saying what all Ezdi Kurds think, Ezdi Kurds are the 'purest' Kurds. We are closer in every regard to the original proto-Kurds than other non-Ezdi Kurds. There are some differences with Ezdi Kurds and other non-Ezdi Kurds. But there are much more similar things, like our Aryan language and our Aryan race.

We have our religious leaders, but have also got our politicians and military leaders. Ezdi Kurds are not fanatics, like genocidal Muslim terrorists, who think 24/7 about our religion. At this moment the most important thing is survival. Our race and our Aryan language is our priority. Why do you think that Ezdi Kurds don't mix with other races? because we want our race to stay 'pure'. That means that our Aryan race and 'purity' of it is more important than our religion.

Ok then why did Baba Shex say "Ezidis" and "Kurds" like they're two separate people? Why didn't he say "Ezidi Kurds" like you're doing now?
Doesn't seem like the Yezidi Pope considers himself or other Yezidis as Kurds.

"“Ezidikhan’s policy toward Kurdistan and Iraq is and remains one of strict neutrality. The Kurdish referendum is not for Yezidis, but for Kurds only to decide. Yezidis have their own autonomous nation.”"

That's the quote, he's referring to Kurds separately from Yezidis. If Yezidis were Kurds, then saying "Kurds" would include Yezidis but he specifically goes out of his way to exclude Yezidis from Kurds.

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2017, 03:03:08 PM »
Ok then why did Baba Shex say "Ezidis" and "Kurds" like they're two separate people? Why didn't he say "Ezidi Kurds" like you're doing now?
Doesn't seem like the Yezidi Pope considers himself or other Yezidis as Kurds.

"“Ezidikhan’s policy toward Kurdistan and Iraq is and remains one of strict neutrality. The Kurdish referendum is not for Yezidis, but for Kurds only to decide. Yezidis have their own autonomous nation.”"

That's the quote, he's referring to Kurds separately from Yezidis. If Yezidis were Kurds, then saying "Kurds" would include Yezidis but he specifically goes out of his way to exclude Yezidis from Kurds.
First of all we don't know even for sure if he ever said that. I know many Ezdi Kurds who think like him. But it is up to them to think what they want. The outside world has no right to decide for them what to think or what to do. I do understand the Ezdi who say that they are different people from Muslim Kurds. As an Ezdi I do understand their feeling and their disappointments, after what the Muslims Kurds have done to us.
But there is also something like REALITY. It is what it is. People should not make decisions with their emotion and by their feelings. People need to face hard facts, then they can tackle problems.

So, even if he said that, it is his opinion. It is okay to have an opinion. But we have to face the reality and choose what is the best for the Ezdi Kurds. Baba Shex is a religious leader and not a political leader. In our Ezdi society religion and politics are 2 different things. Our religious leaders don't interfere in politics and are mostly occupied with the religion, like praying, holding religious events etc. This is what they are good at. They do understand that every person has got an opinion and personal view how politics should work. No opinion is right or wrong, since all of them are just opinions.  That's why religious leaders keep distance from politics and stay neutral.

In the past Ezdi politicians, rulers and military leaders never asked for advice from the religious leaders. All what they ask from them are just blessings to be lucky in their actions/life. Politics and religion are separated in our society. Baba Shex is not a better Ezdi because he is our 'Pope', lol. It is his destiny to be what he is now, and it is my destiny to be who I am. He is the same human as I am. And his opinion is worth as much as my opinion!


But once again, the outside world has no right to be arrogant and to decide for us what to think or what to do. I think what I want, I believe what I want and I do what I want...

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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2017, 06:51:57 PM »
Doesn't matter, this vote was non-binding. Those numbers are probably skewed in many ways too.


It is a step in the right direction and a victory for the nationalists . One thing was amazing about this referendum was the level of Women's participation . Almost 50% of the voters were women and they led their men to the voting stations  :thumbsup: You gotta admire that .




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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2017, 10:18:36 PM »
It is a step in the right direction and a victory for the nationalists . One thing was amazing about this referendum was the level of Women's participation . Almost 50% of the voters were women and they led their men to the voting stations  :thumbsup: You gotta admire that .



I will admire that but I still gotta say that it doesn't matter, it's a non-binding referendum...

"What is a nonbinding referendum? A nonbinding referendum is a question that is included on a ballot during a town-wide vote. Voters are asked to answer the referendum, but the results are nonbinding."

from -> http://www.wickedlocal.com/x528720288/A-CLOSER-LOOK-What-is-a-nonbinding-referendum

This is more or less a vote of opinion which holds no legal sway.

It's a nice little election to see what people think (to prove a point?) but since it's non-binding, the KRG government did not de jure declare independence from Iraq.

« Last Edit: September 27, 2017, 11:30:53 PM by mrzurnaci »

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« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2017, 11:29:50 PM »
Assyrians cheered for these people, and they didn't get reprimanded for it:



I don't know what the big deal is. I don't why Assyrians are becoming so melodramatic about the Kurdish referendum. I mean, we're just going to have a layer of crap (Kurdistan) being poured over another layer of crap (Iraq). It's not like we had an autonomous region (or a nation even) where Kurds came out of nowhere and took it. That's when we call tell the supporters of Kurdistan to feel ashamed - if we condone Kurds taking our ACTIVE country or autonomous region. But the thing is, we don't even have a country. So I don't see how telling Assyrians to not support Kurdistan will help our cause, considering that half of us, hypocritically, are fans of Iraqi music and its sport teams. If you're so against Kurdistan, then be consistent and let go of your love towards another thief of a nation that also has our blood in its hand, even quite recently (*cough* Iraq).

P.S. Assyrians in Dohuk are laughing at how those in the west are overreacting. We don't even live there. So we don't know how their condition is. But from my relatives living there, they actually want the referendum and are happy with their life. Omg....such backstabbing, traitors, who hate our nation (from that very person who drapes himself with the Iraqi flag and cries in awe in the sight of the Iraq soccer team). Lol.  -_-
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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2017, 12:15:52 AM »
Assyrians cheered for these people, and they didn't get reprimanded for it:

I don't know what the big deal is. I don't why Assyrians are becoming so melodramatic about the Kurdish referendum. I mean, we're just going to have a layer of crap (Kurdistan) being poured over another layer of crap (Iraq). It's not like we had an autonomous region (or a nation even) where Kurds came out of nowhere and took it. That's when we call tell the supporters of Kurdistan to feel ashamed - if we condone Kurds taking our ACTIVE country or autonomous region. But the thing is, we don't even have a country. So I don't see how telling Assyrians to not support Kurdistan will help our cause, considering that half of us, hypocritically, are fans of Iraqi music and its sport teams. If you're so against Kurdistan, then be consistent and let go of your love towards another thief of a nation that also has our blood in its hand, even quite recently (*cough* Iraq).

P.S. Assyrians in Dohuk are laughing at how those in the west are overreacting. We don't even live there. So we don't know how their condition is. But from my relatives living there, they actually want the referendum and are happy with their life. Omg....such backstabbing, traitors, who hate our nation (from that very person who drapes himself with the Iraqi flag and cries in awe in the sight of the Iraq soccer team). Lol.  -_-

That's not the issue, the issue is how the KRG seems to be going out of its way to annex the Nineveh Plains when Kurds already have enough territory to hold 30+ to 50+ Million Kurds if they turned every village into a town or city...

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« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2017, 06:22:27 PM »
I will admire that but I still gotta say that it doesn't matter, it's a non-binding referendum...

"What is a nonbinding referendum? A nonbinding referendum is a question that is included on a ballot during a town-wide vote. Voters are asked to answer the referendum, but the results are nonbinding."

from -> http://www.wickedlocal.com/x528720288/A-CLOSER-LOOK-What-is-a-nonbinding-referendum

This is more or less a vote of opinion which holds no legal sway.

It's a nice little election to see what people think (to prove a point?) but since it's non-binding, the KRG government did not de jure declare independence from Iraq.


It is a big misconception to think that it is meaningless "little election " as you put it . KRG was determined to be taken seriously in Baghdad and around the world and this was the only way . They have a mandate now from the people of Kurdistan and all further negotiation will be based on these mandates , so frankly they have no choice but to get down from their high horses and accept the kurds as partners in united iraq .
As for independant I doubt it for now and if it happens it will be by turkish blessing . Let us be frank here Iran is taking over iraq and turkey wants a piece and Kurdistan is the only choice .
Barzani despite his tribal background is to be admired here. He is in a position to be the biggest problem or  the biggest solution to the kurdish issues within iran and Turkey and syria . Despite the rhetorics from iran , syria , turkey and iran non of them would dare to invade kurdistan for several reasons .

1-Kurds historically have been militarized people and frankly uncontrollable unless you are nice to them .
2-The international community will never allow that to happen now that Kurdistan established themselves as the good guys .
3-War with KRG will lead to a war in the heart of turkey and iran and will align KRG with PKK which will lead to even bigger problem for turkey and iran.
4-war is un affordable and too costly .
5-Economic sanctions will only strengthen KRG's Case for independence

I believe the cool heads will prevail at the end and some sort of settlement will be reached between KRG and Baghdad and kurdish objectives will be achieved . 


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« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2017, 06:44:19 PM »
That's not the issue, the issue is how the KRG seems to be going out of its way to annex the Nineveh Plains when Kurds already have enough territory to hold 30+ to 50+ Million Kurds if they turned every village into a town or city...

Honestly the only thing that is important now a days is peace and economy and if being part of iraq would bring peace and prosperity to kurds then i'm all for it  . Assyrian who live within KRG should consider themselves lucky because kurdish success is their success too and i promise you those assyrian who live within new iraq (if kurdistan separate ) will eventually run away to kurdistan too . You honestly think you can live among sunni arabs of today ? As i said before and according to all source Assyrian are not more that 300-400 thousands in the entire iraq and they do not constitute more than 1-2% of ninava plain . You want to stay within Iraq in the hope that one day you could separate and establish an Assyrian country ?
 

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« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2017, 06:52:07 PM »
Assyrians cheered for these people, and they didn't get reprimanded for it:



I don't know what the big deal is. I don't why Assyrians are becoming so melodramatic about the Kurdish referendum. I mean, we're just going to have a layer of crap (Kurdistan) being poured over another layer of crap (Iraq). It's not like we had an autonomous region (or a nation even) where Kurds came out of nowhere and took it. That's when we call tell the supporters of Kurdistan to feel ashamed - if we condone Kurds taking our ACTIVE country or autonomous region. But the thing is, we don't even have a country. So I don't see how telling Assyrians to not support Kurdistan will help our cause, considering that half of us, hypocritically, are fans of Iraqi music and its sport teams. If you're so against Kurdistan, then be consistent and let go of your love towards another thief of a nation that also has our blood in its hand, even quite recently (*cough* Iraq).

P.S. Assyrians in Dohuk are laughing at how those in the west are overreacting. We don't even live there. So we don't know how their condition is. But from my relatives living there, they actually want the referendum and are happy with their life. Omg....such backstabbing, traitors, who hate our nation (from that very person who drapes himself with the Iraqi flag and cries in awe in the sight of the Iraq soccer team). Lol.  -_-


love the post especially the part about  layer of crap (Kurdistan) being poured over another layer of crap (Iraq) :) . Let us hope we can use this crap for something useful instead of fighting over it . This crap is for everyone and if you ever nominate yourself as a president of this crap you will have my vote :)

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« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2017, 10:33:26 PM »
Honestly the only thing that is important now a days is peace and economy and if being part of iraq would bring peace and prosperity to kurds then i'm all for it  . Assyrian who live within KRG should consider themselves lucky because kurdish success is their success too and i promise you those assyrian who live within new iraq (if kurdistan separate ) will eventually run away to kurdistan too . You honestly think you can live among sunni arabs of today ? As i said before and according to all source Assyrian are not more that 300-400 thousands in the entire iraq and they do not constitute more than 1-2% of ninava plain . You want to stay within Iraq in the hope that one day you could separate and establish an Assyrian country ?
 

firstly, Nineveh Plains is MINIMUM 40% Assyrian. Secondly, there's not that many Sunni Arabs in the Nineveh Plains so I'm quite confused why you bring that up.

Also, why do you Kurds keep bringing up NUMBERS? Numbers do not matter, what matters is the make up. If numbers matter, why would the world listen to Kurds when there's more Arabs than Kurds? Or further, why listen to you and Arabs when Chinese and Hindus make up 2+ Billion people? See I can take that logic against you.

Thirdly, the point of the Nineveh Plains Region is to manage ourselves and be away from the Sunni Arabs. Why would we side with the same people that vastly supported ISIS?

Lastly, separate and establish an Assyrian country? We don't want a country, what we want is autonomy. We want to rule ourselves without someone breathing down our neck.

Let me take the wildest guess in the world, you're going to tell me KRG is going to give Assyrians autonomy in itself right? If that's the case, why doesn't the KRG do that right now? Is it against the constitution of Iraq and the KRG to have an autonomous sub-region within an autonomous region?

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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2017, 05:07:41 AM »
love the post especially the part about  layer of crap (Kurdistan) being poured over another layer of crap (Iraq) :) . Let us hope we can use this crap for something useful instead of fighting over it . This crap is for everyone and if you ever nominate yourself as a president of this crap you will have my vote :)
By crap I mean this referendum shouldn't mean anything to any of us Assyrians! Our lands were already settled by Romans, Mongols, Turks, Arabs and now it's Kurds. We've been threw this crap. Not sure why they're being dramatic about it now. We're acting like those anti-Trump liberal 'snowflakes'. You're either on their side, or you're a traitorous, inhumane bigot. Lol. And the funny thing is that the complainers are NOT even in Kurdistan, but in the prosperous western lands. Lmao.

Again, our land has already been shat on. Let the Kurds have their turn now.
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« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2017, 12:53:39 PM »
By crap I mean this referendum shouldn't mean anything to any of us Assyrians! Our lands were already settled by Romans, Mongols, Turks, Arabs and now it's Kurds. We've been threw this crap. Not sure why they're being dramatic about it now. We're acting like those anti-Trump liberal 'snowflakes'. You're either on their side, or you're a traitorous, inhumane bigot. Lol. And the funny thing is that the complainers are NOT even in Kurdistan, but in the prosperous western lands. Lmao.

Again, our land has already been shat on. Let the Kurds have their turn now.

We can always take the Kurds homeland, there's absolutely no Kurds there!

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« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2017, 02:46:43 PM »
The timing of the referendum is an interesting one. Let's put aside the official reason as the war on ISIS, the facts are actually different.

First of all there is an Iraqi election coming up next year and quite frankly I think Abadi would have lost. Don't forget, Abadi is closer to American than Iran and is at odds with Maliki, head of the Shia coalition and to be honest I think Abadi can use this opportunity to maybe safe himself. Iraqi politics are complicated at the moment and Abadi doesn't have room to breath.

Then comes the Turkish elections. At the moment, Erdogan has a partnership with the MHP (Turkish nationalist party) ever since loosing the Kurdish vote to the HDP, though, Erdogan still has many Kurdish votes, through endorsement from Barzani. Again, quite frankly, Erdogan will use this opportunity to squeeze the MHP and take the nationalist vote. It's also a distraction of Turkish inaction in Syria, something the nationalists were picking up on.

Bearing the above in mind, I expect the rhetoric from Turkey and Iraq to continue. We will see some symbolic action from both sides but nothing major. There will be no war. Iraq has a huge debt and can't take on Kurdistan militarily. Turkey can not afford a war and won't go to war. Let's take Rojava into consideration, as far as Turkey is concerned Rojava is a much bigger threat than an independent Kurdistan in Iraq that is on good terms with Turkey. Yet, Turkey has been reluctant and unable to invade Rojava. KRG is out of the question.

There are a lot more domestic politics involved than you may know. However, the referendum would not have taken place without some understanding from America, despite their official stance, the Americans didn't do anything to stop it and are not doing anything now. The only sanctions that really matter are American sanctions.

P.S days before the referendum a major Russian oil company signed a contract to export gas to Turkey. Contracts like that do not go through without long term planning and if Turkey was really opposed to the referendum they would have waited until after the referendum.

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« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2017, 12:50:31 AM »
We can always take the Kurds homeland, there's absolutely no Kurds there!
Good call. Lol.

You mean Northern Iran? Where is their original homeland again?
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« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2017, 09:41:18 PM »
Good call. Lol.

You mean Northern Iran? Where is their original homeland again?


Considering Kurds say they descend from Medes (not culturally or linguistically).

The Kurdish homeland aka the land which the Kurds and their name was made in resides from Hamadan, North Up from Hamadan (rest of North Western Iran) and the Southern part of Azerbaijan.

I used the Median homeland as a reference point


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« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2017, 12:35:45 AM »
Considering Kurds say they descend from Medes (not culturally or linguistically).

The Kurdish homeland aka the land which the Kurds and their name was made in resides from Hamadan, North Up from Hamadan (rest of North Western Iran) and the Southern part of Azerbaijan.

I used the Median homeland as a reference point



That's like, in the middle of Iran.

Isn't it filled with Iranian cities and towns? Wiki says there are 473,149 living in Hamadan. So 400K Iranians versus how much, 80K Assyrians (who live in the homeland)?
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« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2017, 12:48:51 AM »
That's like, in the middle of Iran.

Isn't it filled with Iranian cities and towns? Wiki says there are 473,149 living in Hamadan. So 400K Iranians versus how much, 80K Assyrians (who live in the homeland)?

I meant every Assyrian going there... Not what Assyrians are left in Iran. Where the hell did you get that idea? I didn't even imply that idea...

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« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2017, 10:17:23 PM »
The timing of the referendum is an interesting one. Let's put aside the official reason as the war on ISIS, the facts are actually different.

First of all there is an Iraqi election coming up next year and quite frankly I think Abadi would have lost. Don't forget, Abadi is closer to American than Iran and is at odds with Maliki, head of the Shia coalition and to be honest I think Abadi can use this opportunity to maybe safe himself. Iraqi politics are complicated at the moment and Abadi doesn't have room to breath.

Then comes the Turkish elections. At the moment, Erdogan has a partnership with the MHP (Turkish nationalist party) ever since loosing the Kurdish vote to the HDP, though, Erdogan still has many Kurdish votes, through endorsement from Barzani. Again, quite frankly, Erdogan will use this opportunity to squeeze the MHP and take the nationalist vote. It's also a distraction of Turkish inaction in Syria, something the nationalists were picking up on.

Bearing the above in mind, I expect the rhetoric from Turkey and Iraq to continue. We will see some symbolic action from both sides but nothing major. There will be no war. Iraq has a huge debt and can't take on Kurdistan militarily. Turkey can not afford a war and won't go to war. Let's take Rojava into consideration, as far as Turkey is concerned Rojava is a much bigger threat than an independent Kurdistan in Iraq that is on good terms with Turkey. Yet, Turkey has been reluctant and unable to invade Rojava. KRG is out of the question.

There are a lot more domestic politics involved than you may know. However, the referendum would not have taken place without some understanding from America, despite their official stance, the Americans didn't do anything to stop it and are not doing anything now. The only sanctions that really matter are American sanctions.

P.S days before the referendum a major Russian oil company signed a contract to export gas to Turkey. Contracts like that do not go through without long term planning and if Turkey was really opposed to the referendum they would have waited until after the referendum.

Nothing is surprising here and everyone gains something ,but the biggest winner is turkey .

1-Barzani enters history with this referendum ,but there will not be any real push for independent now . Both Baghdad and Erbil will eventually reach some sort of compromises and the money will start flowing to Kurdistan and this whole issue will be put to sleep  .

2-It is turkey who gave the green light for the referendum to teach the iraqi shia government a lesson after their open support to PKK and the open hostility , war of words with turkey for the last couple of year .Turkey never really objected to the referendum until it was done and Within one day of referendum a high delegation from shia led government was on turkey licking Ergogans ball and offering to compensate turkey for any damages from oil going from kurdistan to turkey . Iraqi PM is to visit turkey soon too to offer more money and a promise to never support PKK .

3-Turkey's relation with Iran was pretty much stagnated and dead due to shia vs sunni  issues , but now after the referendum turkish PM will be visiting iran soon and the trade between iran and turkey will be at all time hight . Turkey's trade with Kurdistan nothing in compare to open iranian market 

4-war of words and symbolic actions will continue for another few months , but war will never happen .

Turkey killed 4 birds (iran ,iraq , kurdistan , PKK )with one stone . Turkey is stronger , richer and safer  .

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« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2017, 10:20:45 PM »
Considering Kurds say they descend from Medes (not culturally or linguistically).

The Kurdish homeland aka the land which the Kurds and their name was made in resides from Hamadan, North Up from Hamadan (rest of North Western Iran) and the Southern part of Azerbaijan.

I used the Median homeland as a reference point
Do not everything you hear . We are just gypsies .
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« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2017, 10:27:05 PM »
I meant every Assyrian going there... Not what Assyrians are left in Iran. Where the hell did you get that idea? I didn't even imply that idea...
I made the 'idea' myself. I didn't mean you implying it or anything.

But my point remains valid. That part of Iran is still very populated, and not by just Kurds but Persians too.
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« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2017, 10:32:29 PM »
By crap I mean this referendum shouldn't mean anything to any of us Assyrians! Our lands were already settled by Romans, Mongols, Turks, Arabs and now it's Kurds. We've been threw this crap. Not sure why they're being dramatic about it now. We're acting like those anti-Trump liberal 'snowflakes'. You're either on their side, or you're a traitorous, inhumane bigot. Lol. And the funny thing is that the complainers are NOT even in Kurdistan, but in the prosperous western lands. Lmao.

Again, our land has already been shat on. Let the Kurds have their turn now.
lol , man be realistic , My family can not get the land we owned 20 years ago and you still think you are the owner of the land you lost thousands of years ago .

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« Reply #35 on: October 02, 2017, 12:03:44 AM »
lol , man be realistic , My family can not get the land we owned 20 years ago and you still think you are the owner of the land you lost thousands of years ago .
False equivalence. A nation is not to be compared to a family. Lol at you.

We are the owners of the land, just like native Americans are to theirs. I thought you pitied the natives? Why are you contradicting yourself? Because the land thieves involve your people THIS TIME? How convenient. Look, if you hate world cultures and especially violent ones, start WITH YOUR ethnicity first and then make your way through ours.

You feel sympathy for native Americans (who were also brutish, committing savage rituals), and think they deserve their land, but you feel nothing towards Assyrians. Perhaps because of your agenda? We are competing with yous? But hey, you're the cynical one who thinks all human cultures are equally bad, so I thought naturally you would be against the referendum, just as you would be against an Assyrian one? But it seems like you won't be. Lol.

Btw, my post was slagging Assyrians, and yet you replied audaciously thinking I was having a go at your own people. I've had enough of your hypocrisy and blatant inconsistencies. Admit it, you're a Kurdish nationalist who thinks his culture is above others, even though you still feel deep shame about what they did to us 100 years ago. No wonder you replied so defensively, even though not one sentence in my post involved Kurdish hate - You are a Kurdish patriot who is proud of your history just as Assyrians are with theirs. It's okay, really. Just admit it.  :lol:
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« Reply #36 on: October 02, 2017, 05:34:52 PM »
lol , man be realistic , My family can not get the land we owned 20 years ago and you still think you are the owner of the land you lost thousands of years ago .
Depends what you mean by "lost". Do you mean lost as in having our own rule of law over it or lost as in living on it?
If you mean the former, that's a different story, if you mean the latter then I'll say we didn't lose it until the Ottoman-done genocides.

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« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2017, 10:42:41 AM »
Nothing is surprising here and everyone gains something ,but the biggest winner is turkey .

1-Barzani enters history with this referendum ,but there will not be any real push for independent now . Both Baghdad and Erbil will eventually reach some sort of compromises and the money will start flowing to Kurdistan and this whole issue will be put to sleep  .

2-It is turkey who gave the green light for the referendum to teach the iraqi shia government a lesson after their open support to PKK and the open hostility , war of words with turkey for the last couple of year .Turkey never really objected to the referendum until it was done and Within one day of referendum a high delegation from shia led government was on turkey licking Ergogans ball and offering to compensate turkey for any damages from oil going from kurdistan to turkey . Iraqi PM is to visit turkey soon too to offer more money and a promise to never support PKK .

3-Turkey's relation with Iran was pretty much stagnated and dead due to shia vs sunni  issues , but now after the referendum turkish PM will be visiting iran soon and the trade between iran and turkey will be at all time hight . Turkey's trade with Kurdistan nothing in compare to open iranian market 

4-war of words and symbolic actions will continue for another few months , but war will never happen .

Turkey killed 4 birds (iran ,iraq , kurdistan , PKK )with one stone . Turkey is stronger , richer and safer  .
Hahahaha, you are a comedian. You have showen your true identity. You are not a Kurd, but a Mongoloid subhuman monkey Turk. Go back to Altai you disgusting monkey.

Barzani already entered the history as a GENOCIDAL crimina Sunni Muslim terrorist who betrayed Ezdi Kurds in Shengal. HE is washing his hands in Krudish blood. He and his tribe after his death will never be frogiven for what they did. As long Kurdish Aryan race does exist, NEVER!

Tukey 'killed' PKK, hahahaha. PKK is waging a great war against Turkey in Northern Kurdistan. What about Qandil, what about Rojava? All Turkish policies failed big time.


Turks are actually the biggest losers in this conflict, since failed Turkish state doesn't exist anymore.

Actually, the biggest regional superpower are the Aryan Persians. Persians 'won' in Syria and in Iraq. Shia Islam defeated Sunni Islam. And Iran is VERY, VERY close to a nuclear weapon. If PEsians ever get nukes, it is finished with Israel and nobody will ever can do anything about it. Nobody can attack Northern Korea because they have got nukes.

Therefore the FREE world will help the Kurds to defeat the Persians. Mongoloid Turks and Semitic Arabs are losers and can't fight against the Persians. Daesh which was a coalition of Turks, Arbas and Barzani lost the war. So Kurds and PKK are the ONLY option left for the free world to stop Iran (and Russia). In exchange Kurds will get an independent GREAT Kurdistan.

Turks are useless peace of shiiiiiiiiiiiiit. They proved he world they can't fight. They couldn't even defeat Assad, LMAO!!!. Turks lost in Syria big time!


Nobody takes those Turks seriously, important people do world politics without the Turks and without thinking about Turkey. They already exchanged/replaced Turkey for Great Kurdistan.

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« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2017, 10:46:39 AM »
Independent GREAT Kurdistan, the native land of the Aryan Kurds, is very near. Since the mighty Aryan Medes, who ae our direct Aryan ancestors, the Kurds will establish the first modern Aryan state. The Medes were the first who established an Aryan Empire. Kurds were the very first and will be the last people of our homeland in Northern Mesopotamia/Western Zagros Mountains!

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« Reply #39 on: October 03, 2017, 10:48:41 AM »
We can always take the Kurds homeland, there's absolutely no Kurds there!
You can go wherever you want, but you will never get a slice of Great Kurdistan, the homeland of the Kurds, the native homeland of the mighty Medes, the homeland of the Aryans!

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« Reply #40 on: October 03, 2017, 11:25:57 AM »
Considering Kurds say they descend from Medes (not culturally or linguistically).
Kurdish nation is the only major NorthWest Iranian Aryan nation. The Medes were also the only NorthWest Iranian Aryan people in the region. Both groups share the same homeland/area.

Groups in the West Asia.

Kurds / Medes = NorthWest Iranian Aryans
Persians = SouthWest Iranian Aryans

Turks = Mongoloid Turanic monkeys from the Altai.

Arabs = Southern Semites.

Azeri = Mongoloid Turks, Tatars who are heavily mixed with Kurds/Aryans.

Armenians = only GOD knows who they are. (mix between Lom Gypsies, Anatolian Urartu, original Armenian speakers, Iranians (Kurds + Persians) etc)

Assyrians = NorthWest Semites

Georgians = Caucasian people mixed between Northern Hurrians (their language is Caucasian) and Iranians/Aryans.

So the ONLY NorthWest Iranian Aran nation in the world is Kurdish nation! And the only NorthWest Iranian Aran in the past were the mighty Aryan Medes (later known as Parthians).

1 + 1 = 2



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« Reply #41 on: October 03, 2017, 09:03:30 PM »
Hahahaha, you are a comedian. You have showen your true identity. You are not a Kurd, but a Mongoloid subhuman monkey Turk. Go back to Altai you disgusting monkey.

Barzani already entered the history as a GENOCIDAL crimina Sunni Muslim terrorist who betrayed Ezdi Kurds in Shengal. HE is washing his hands in Krudish blood. He and his tribe after his death will never be frogiven for what they did. As long Kurdish Aryan race does exist, NEVER!

Tukey 'killed' PKK, hahahaha. PKK is waging a great war against Turkey in Northern Kurdistan. What about Qandil, what about Rojava? All Turkish policies failed big time.


Turks are actually the biggest losers in this conflict, since failed Turkish state doesn't exist anymore.

Actually, the biggest regional superpower are the Aryan Persians. Persians 'won' in Syria and in Iraq. Shia Islam defeated Sunni Islam. And Iran is VERY, VERY close to a nuclear weapon. If PEsians ever get nukes, it is finished with Israel and nobody will ever can do anything about it. Nobody can attack Northern Korea because they have got nukes.

Therefore the FREE world will help the Kurds to defeat the Persians. Mongoloid Turks and Semitic Arabs are losers and can't fight against the Persians. Daesh which was a coalition of Turks, Arbas and Barzani lost the war. So Kurds and PKK are the ONLY option left for the free world to stop Iran (and Russia). In exchange Kurds will get an independent GREAT Kurdistan.

Turks are useless peace of shiiiiiiiiiiiiit. They proved he world they can't fight. They couldn't even defeat Assad, LMAO!!!. Turks lost in Syria big time!


Nobody takes those Turks seriously, important people do world politics without the Turks and without thinking about Turkey. They already exchanged/replaced Turkey for Great Kurdistan.


But , but i thought you would be happy that Barzani went ahead with referendum and he proved you wrong being a Turkish dog as you put it . Even PKK leaders are supporting him now as Qaralyan said just yesterday

قەرەیلان: تورکیا هێرش بکاتە سەر باشور پەکەکە بەرگریی دەکات

and before you say it is false news , just check the website which is PKK's website Roj .  :rofl2:
http://www.rojnews.org//haber/20375/.html

and look what kurds in Rojhilat (iran) to support barzani .

 



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« Reply #42 on: October 03, 2017, 09:21:47 PM »
But , but i thought you would be happy that Barzani went ahead with referendum and he proved you wrong being a Turkish dog as you put it . Even PKK leaders are supporting him now as Qaralyan said just yesterday

قەرەیلان: تورکیا هێرش بکاتە سەر باشور پەکەکە بەرگریی دەکات

and before you say it is false news , just check the website which is PKK's website Roj .  :rofl2:
http://www.rojnews.org//haber/20375/.html

and look what kurds in Rojhilat (iran) to support barzani .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox7elmp6xUw
What is your point??

I support EVERYBODY who declares an independent Kurdistan, as an Ezdi for me it doesn't even matter where, even if independent Kurdistan is declared on the moon by Sunni Muslim monkey nigr0-allah loving Daesh.

We need a starting point, later on Kurdistan will expand gradually to all parts of Kurdistan. We need the ball get rolling. Then it will be VERY easy for GREAT Kurdistan, because in all parts of Kurdistan Kurds are the biggest majority. So our boundaries will be determined by history and where Kurds are the majority.

We use him against our enemies and after the independence we can get rid of that genocidal Sunni Muslim terrorist midget.

Barzani has no choice or big boys with big balls will get rid of him very soon.

What we need is 1 part to be independent and a voice in the UN later on all parts will follow very soon, like domino effect.


Actually it is very plausible that Rojava will be first part of Great Kurdistan that will become independent. Or it will be Shengal. Rojava is MUCH, MUCH more powerful than Bashur!

So Barzani is NOT making history at all, Rojava and Shengal are making history. Rojava and Shengal STOPPED Sunni Muslims and their gaylord allah the nigro. Barzani made history when he committed a GENOCIDE on Ezdi Kurds and he will go down in history as a GENOCIDAL extremist Sunni Muslim maniac.


Jash Talabani is dead, jash Barzani is next and I hope it will be not a natural death, but a very painful one...


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« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2017, 10:53:42 PM »
Kurdish nation is the only major NorthWest Iranian Aryan nation. The Medes were also the only NorthWest Iranian Aryan people in the region. Both groups share the same homeland/area.

Groups in the West Asia.

Kurds / Medes = NorthWest Iranian Aryans
Persians = SouthWest Iranian Aryans

Turks = Mongoloid Turanic monkeys from the Altai.

Arabs = Southern Semites.

Azeri = Mongoloid Turks, Tatars who are heavily mixed with Kurds/Aryans.

Armenians = only GOD knows who they are. (mix between Lom Gypsies, Anatolian Urartu, original Armenian speakers, Iranians (Kurds + Persians) etc)

Assyrians = NorthWest Semites

Georgians = Caucasian people mixed between Northern Hurrians (their language is Caucasian) and Iranians/Aryans.

So the ONLY NorthWest Iranian Aran nation in the world is Kurdish nation! And the only NorthWest Iranian Aran in the past were the mighty Aryan Medes (later known as Parthians).

1 + 1 = 2




Georgians don't speak your language family, therefore they are NOT related to you (and that's going by your 'language family relations' logic too btw). They speak a Caucasian language. They are similar to other Caucasian-speakers such as the Chechens and Circassians. They would also have genetic similarities to Russians, despite speaking a different language family. Don't claim them as your own because they are a "superior", northern race to you guys. Lol. And you say I'm the "white wannabe". Heck, Georgians and Armenians are more similar to each other than Iranians are with Georgians.

Your people are Indo-Aryan speakers. So therefore, YOU would have more similarities to South Asian peoples. But of course, since you have an inferiority complex, you would completely dismiss darker peoples being part of your race.  :lol:

Indo-Aryans: Iranians, Indians, Kurds, Pakistanis, Afghans, Bangladeshis, Nepalese, Sri Lankans

NOT Indo-Aryan: Georgians

1+1 = 2
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« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2017, 08:12:41 AM »
Pfff, you don't even understand the Kurds are NOT Indo-Aryans. Kurds are simply NorthWest Iranians. Kurds were never Indo-Aryans. You don't even know the difference between Indo-Aryan and simply NorthWest Iranians.

Georgians are heavily mixed with West Iranians, even some of their tribes came from the Iranian Plateau. That makes Georgians ARYANS, period. There are many Iranian speaking people in the Caucasus, like the Ossetians


Iranian = Iranic = simply ARYAN
Indo-Aryans = Indic = minority of Aryans mixed with Indian/Dravidian people







The Medes were NorthWest Iranian, just like the Kurds.


NorthWest Iranians = Medes = Kurds


1+1=2
2+2 = 4

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« Reply #45 on: October 07, 2017, 02:19:02 AM »
Pfff, you don't even understand the Kurds are NOT Indo-Aryans. Kurds are simply NorthWest Iranians. Kurds were never Indo-Aryans. You don't even know the difference between Indo-Aryan and simply NorthWest Iranians.

Georgians are heavily mixed with West Iranians, even some of their tribes came from the Iranian Plateau. That makes Georgians ARYANS, period. There are many Iranian speaking people in the Caucasus, like the Ossetians


Iranian = Iranic = simply ARYAN
Indo-Aryans = Indic = minority of Aryans mixed with Indian/Dravidian people

So what? Above all else, they are ALL Indo-Iranian peoples.

Hindi/Bengali/Pashtu/Romani/Assamese/Kurdish/Farsi/Dari/Sinhalese SPEAKERS = INDO-IRANIANS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Iranian_languages

They all speak an Indo-Iranian language. Therefore, they're ALL related. Those from the southeast may be more Dravidian but they are still Iranid peoples to an extent. Just the same way Jewish Americans, who are 50%-70% European, are still SEMITIC people like us. African-looking Somalians and Ethiopians are Semitic because they speak a Semitic language. And you're surprised that Indians and Bangladeshis are considered to be "Indo-Iranians"? If Negroids can be Semitic (in which they are due to admixture), then Desi people can be Aryan/Iranid.

Indo-Iranian peoples:


Sorry, no east-European Georgians there. I mean sure, they may had been related to your immaculate race 9000 years ago. But now they have eastern European/Russian admixture, whilst Iranians would be more Arabid due to admixture. No, not all, but several amounts. I've had a lot of folks in my school who were half Iraqi/Iranian, btw. ;)
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« Reply #46 on: October 07, 2017, 02:22:53 AM »
Oh, and of course, the Afro-Asiatic Semitic race:

It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change. - Charles Darwin

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« Reply #47 on: October 07, 2017, 04:24:54 AM »
So what? Above all else, they are ALL Indo-Iranian peoples.

Hindi/Bengali/Pashtu/Romani/Assamese/Kurdish/Farsi/Dari/Sinhalese SPEAKERS = INDO-IRANIANS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Iranian_languages

They all speak an Indo-Iranian language. Therefore, they're ALL related. Those from the southeast may be more Dravidian but they are still Iranid peoples to an extent. Just the same way Jewish Americans, who are 50%-70% European, are still SEMITIC people like us. African-looking Somalians and Ethiopians are Semitic because they speak a Semitic language. And you're surprised that Indians and Bangladeshis are considered to be "Indo-Iranians"? If Negroids can be Semitic (in which they are due to admixture), then Desi people can be Aryan/Iranid.

Indo-Iranian peoples:


Sorry, no east-European Georgians there. I mean sure, they may had been related to your immaculate race 9000 years ago. But now they have eastern European/Russian admixture, whilst Iranians would be more Arabid due to admixture. No, not all, but several amounts. I've had a lot of folks in my school who were half Iraqi/Iranian, btw. ;)
Are you a retard?

Indo-Iranians and Indo-Aryans are 2 different things. Indo-Iranians are considered to be Iranid people from the Iranian Plateau.


Indians are not 'Iranic', but 'Indic'.


Iranic aka ARYAN people from the Iranian Plateau invaded India and mixed with Dravidian people there. But today people of India are considered 'INDIC' and not 'Iranic'. 'Indic' people got our language, but they are mostly 'Dravidian' people.


Georgians have nothing to do with the subhuman Eastern European people. Georgians are West ASIAN people. Their DNA is West Asian. CHG auDNA is West Asian

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« Reply #48 on: October 07, 2017, 04:41:46 AM »
Oh, and of course, the Afro-Asiatic Semitic race:

Nice try, but now I get you.


Assyrians are Semitic by race because they speak Semitic and claim/considered to be descendants of the ancient Semites. So Assyrians have ancient Semitic genetic roots, Semitic race and Semitic culture.
Ancient Akkadians/Assyrians belonged to a Semitic race.

Assyrians are ALLROUND Semites. They belong to a Semitic race.


Many Semitic speaking in Africa and not really Semites. Some are actually former Berbers or black Africans who speak Arabic, the language of their invaders.

Afro-Asiatic IS a language group, but a branch of it 'Semitic' is a RACE.


If you study your map, you will come to a conclusion that Semitic has got its roots around the Red Sea, since there is a lot variety of other AFRO-Asiatic languages around that area. Many AFRO-Asiatic languages are just native to Africa. And Semitic evolved from Afro-Asiatic family tree. That's  why it has been said that Semitic language AND race are from the Red Sea area.

But Assyrians, Arabs and Jews are all Semites and belong to a Semitic race. The difference is that Jews are SouthWest Semites, Assyrians are NorthWest Semites and Arabs are South Semites. Therefore there is some variation. But all of them are practically the same people who belong to the same Semitic race.


Same can be said about the Aryans. Aryans invaded India from the Iranian Plateau (BMAC). The language of the Indians is 'Indic', which is basically Dravidian with many Aryan/'Iranic' influences in it. Indians can be considered as Berbers.

Berbers are Afro-Asiatic but NOT Semitic. Berbers have their own Afro-Asiatic Berber race.

The relation between Berbers and Arabs (Semites) is similar to the relation between Aryans/Iranic from the Iranian Plateau and Indic people.


Damn, why is it so hard for you to accept that Assyrians belong to a Semitic race? What is wrong with you???


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« Reply #49 on: October 07, 2017, 12:26:31 PM »
Iraqi Sunnis support establishment of Kurdistan .

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« Reply #50 on: October 07, 2017, 05:50:21 PM »
Iraqi Sunnis support establishment of Kurdistan .
Sunni Arabs subhuman negro monkeys are all DEASH and have got Ezdi blood on their hands.

Ezdi Kurds will never forget and forgive them. There will be a vendetta Ezdi stle on ALL Sunni Muslims as long my Aryan people do exist.

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« Reply #51 on: October 09, 2017, 02:30:54 AM »
Are you a retard?

Indo-Iranians and Indo-Aryans are 2 different things. Indo-Iranians are considered to be Iranid people from the Iranian Plateau.


Indians are not 'Iranic', but 'Indic'.


Iranic aka ARYAN people from the Iranian Plateau invaded India and mixed with Dravidian people there. But today people of India are considered 'INDIC' and not 'Iranic'. 'Indic' people got our language, but they are mostly 'Dravidian' people.


Georgians have nothing to do with the subhuman Eastern European people. Georgians are West ASIAN people. Their DNA is West Asian. CHG auDNA is West Asian

Ouch. You feel so hurt and pissed that I told you Indians are Indo-Aryans and are of the SAME race. Love it.

But to reiterate:

INDO-IRANIANS: Indians, Persians, Sri Lankans, Kurds, Afghans, Pakistanis and Nepalese

NOT Indo-Iranians: Georgians

You speak Indo-Iranian. Therefore you're more related to Bangladeshis, who speak your language family, than Georgians. Suck it up and don't be ashamed of your Indo-Iranian race.

Sorry that a beautiful white race of peoples such as Georgians are NOT related to you. But you don't have to troll about it.

Nice try, but now I get you.


Assyrians are Semitic by race because they speak Semitic and claim/considered to be descendants of the ancient Semites. So Assyrians have ancient Semitic genetic roots, Semitic race and Semitic culture.
Ancient Akkadians/Assyrians belonged to a Semitic race.

Assyrians are ALLROUND Semites. They belong to a Semitic race.


Many Semitic speaking in Africa and not really Semites. Some are actually former Berbers or black Africans who speak Arabic, the language of their invaders.

Afro-Asiatic IS a language group, but a branch of it 'Semitic' is a RACE.


If you study your map, you will come to a conclusion that Semitic has got its roots around the Red Sea, since there is a lot variety of other AFRO-Asiatic languages around that area. Many AFRO-Asiatic languages are just native to Africa. And Semitic evolved from Afro-Asiatic family tree. That's  why it has been said that Semitic language AND race are from the Red Sea area.

But Assyrians, Arabs and Jews are all Semites and belong to a Semitic race. The difference is that Jews are SouthWest Semites, Assyrians are NorthWest Semites and Arabs are South Semites. Therefore there is some variation. But all of them are practically the same people who belong to the same Semitic race.


Same can be said about the Aryans. Aryans invaded India from the Iranian Plateau (BMAC). The language of the Indians is 'Indic', which is basically Dravidian with many Aryan/'Iranic' influences in it. Indians can be considered as Berbers.

Berbers are Afro-Asiatic but NOT Semitic. Berbers have their own Afro-Asiatic Berber race.

The relation between Berbers and Arabs (Semites) is similar to the relation between Aryans/Iranic from the Iranian Plateau and Indic people.


Damn, why is it so hard for you to accept that Assyrians belong to a Semitic race? What is wrong with you???


Exactly. All Semitic speakers, including Somalians and Ethiopians, belong to our race.

Just the same way all Indo-Iranian speakers, such as the Assamese, Bengali and Hindi speakers, also belong to your race. Your disgust of brown peoples and your shame of your dark race wouldn't change the fact. You are more close to Indians than to Georgians and Assyrians. Quit trolling the opposite.

YOU ARE INDO-IRANIAN. JUST LIKE INDIANS AND SRI LANKANS.

Damn, why is it so hard for you to accept that Kurds belong to a Indo-Iranian race, alongside side with South Asians? What is wrong with you?

I know what's wrong with you: Inferiority complex
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« Reply #52 on: October 09, 2017, 09:13:19 AM »
Ouch. You feel so hurt and pissed that I told you Indians are Indo-Aryans and are of the SAME race. Love it.

But to reiterate:

INDO-IRANIANS: Indians, Persians, Sri Lankans, Kurds, Afghans, Pakistanis and Nepalese

NOT Indo-Iranians: Georgians

You speak Indo-Iranian. Therefore you're more related to Bangladeshis, who speak your language family, than Georgians. Suck it up and don't be ashamed of your Indo-Iranian race.

Sorry that a beautiful white race of peoples such as Georgians are NOT related to you. But you don't have to troll about it.
Exactly. All Semitic speakers, including Somalians and Ethiopians, belong to our race.

Just the same way all Indo-Iranian speakers, such as the Assamese, Bengali and Hindi speakers, also belong to your race. Your disgust of brown peoples and your shame of your dark race wouldn't change the fact. You are more close to Indians than to Georgians and Assyrians. Quit trolling the opposite.
LMAO.

First of all, I like Indians and have much more respect for Indians that Semitic period. I like their culture much more and their language.


Indians are INDIC, Kurds are IRANIC. What don't you understand about it?

Indians and Kurds are part of the INDO-European language family, like CELTIC, ITALIC, GERMANIC, HELLENIC people.

IRANIC
INDIC
ITALIC
CELTIC
GERMANIC
HELLENIC

Are Indic and Italic people the same people? Both are INDO-European, but are they the same? Of course not. Indic people have different roots than Italic people. Same can be said about INDIC and IRANIC people.

ARYAN Kurds are NorthWest IRANIC people. Very different roots than INDIC people.

But yeah my ARYAN race is still closer to all other IRANIC people in SouthCentral Asia than to Semitic Assyrians. My ARYAN race has nothing to do with the Semites, period.


LMAO about the Georgians! Georgians are even much MORE West Asian than Kurds, since Kurds have some other minor non-West Asian auDNA in them. Georgians are the MOST West Asian people on this planet.




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YOU ARE INDO-IRANIAN. JUST LIKE INDIANS AND SRI LANKANS.

Damn, why is it so hard for you to accept that Kurds belong to a Indo-Iranian race, alongside side with South Asians? What is wrong with you?

I know what's wrong with you: Inferiority complex
Indians are Indo-European, like Celts. What is your point??? I'm Indo-Iranian, like I'm Indo-European. It means NOTHING at all. First of all I'm NorthWest Iranic like the ancient mighty ARYAN Medes. The ARYAN Medes were also NorthWest Iranic people!


What I am for real is that I'm ARYAN aka NorthWest Iranic, like the ARYAN Medes, who were also NorthWest Iranic by race.

First of all I'm NorthWest Iranic = all NortWest Iranic people together = ARYANS = Kurds/Medes
later on as meta-group I'm just West Iranic = all West Iranic people together (Kurds + Persians) =  ARYANS
later on as meta-meta-group I'm Iranic = all Iranic people together (East + West Iranic people)
later on as meta-meta-meta group I'm Indo-Iranian = all Indo-Iranian people together (Iranic (ARYAN) + Indic (INDO-Aryan) )
later on as meta-meta-meta-meta group I'm Indo-European = all Indo-European people together (Iranic, Indic, Celtic, Germanic, Hellenic, Armenian & Italic)

There are already 2 different steppes/stages between ARYAN, NorthWest Iranic Kurds and Indic people.


So, as you can see, Kurds have NOTHING to do with the Semitic people/race.


I've much, much, much more respect for INDIC people than for Semitic people.


You are a Semite who belongs to a Semitic race. Your ancestors were hardcore Semites. If you deny your Semitic roots, then you deny your own ancestors. If you say that your race is not Semitic, then you are NOT an Assyrian at all. Because ancient Akkadians/Assyrians were Semites, belonged to the same Semitic race like Semitic Jews and Semitic Arab.


FACT:

Kurds = NorthWest Iranic = Aryan
Assyrians = NorthWest Semitic


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« Reply #53 on: October 09, 2017, 10:33:34 AM »
firstly, Nineveh Plains is MINIMUM 40% Assyrian. Secondly, there's not that many Sunni Arabs in the Nineveh Plains so I'm quite confused why you bring that up.

We did discuss your 40% in an earlier post regarding "planned new  province for assyrian  in ninaveh plain " vs  the ninaveh plain as a whole . Assyrian population does not exceed 2%d in Ninaveh plain  . I'm not trying to boil your blood but Assyrian have the lowest numbers among the minority in ninevah plain . I strongly encourage you to visit and see for yourself or use simple logic .
Assyrian population in the entire iraq is : 300 thousands
Nineveh Governorate, Population . 3.5 millions  , so even if you bring every single assyrian from every city in iraq and kurdistan they will still be less than turkmans, less than Ezidis , less than shabak , less than arabs and kurds .

Also, why do you Kurds keep bringing up NUMBERS? Numbers do not matter, what matters is the make up. If numbers matter, why would the world listen to Kurds when there's more Arabs than Kurds? Or further, why listen to you and Arabs when Chinese and Hindus make up 2+ Billion people? See I can take that logic against you.

because my dear numbers gets you votes , votes give you power to pass the laws and structure everything to your liking . The rest of the post regarding hindus , chinese is absolut non sense and has nothing to do with what we are talking about .


Thirdly, the point of the Nineveh Plains Region is to manage ourselves and be away from the Sunni Arabs. Why would we side with the same people that vastly supported ISIS?

The problem with Assyrian population is that the people and the villages are too scattered and kurds and arabs moving to their neighbourhood makes them minority in their own villages . The public land in these town and villages are distributed by the government to people who work in the government and the population in towns like Telkef or taleskof have ballooned by arabs and kurds to the point that you do not recognized it any more and you would not think for a second that it is an assyrian town . Another example is Al Hamdaniya which is pushed from east and north by kurds and south and west by arabs and if you visit it now you can never tell it is an assyrian town . Going back to your earlier point you see what numbers can do and how it changes the make up .

Lastly, separate and establish an Assyrian country? We don't want a country, what we want is autonomy. We want to rule ourselves without someone breathing down our neck.
Let me take the wildest guess in the world, you're going to tell me KRG is going to give Assyrians autonomy in itself right? If that's the case, why doesn't the KRG do that right now? Is it against the constitution of Iraq and the KRG to have an autonomous sub-region within an autonomous region?
region-ception?
You are asking for a pair of shoes from someone who is barefoot himself . oh .... and you yourself is against him having a pair of shoes  which is really really ironic :)
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« Reply #54 on: October 09, 2017, 11:53:33 AM »
False equivalence. A nation is not to be compared to a family. Lol at you.
Take a number lol , Turks still claim mosul is theirs , Iranian claim that Baghdad is an iranian city (historically true ) and kurds claim that Sassanide empire and the land they occupied is theirs and assyrian with 300 thousands men women and children want to claim Assyria . 

We are the owners of the land, just like native Americans are to theirs.



No one is the owner of anything and you know my views about history very well . Ownership always belong to the strong and your own history is clear evident of that .

I thought you pitied the natives? Why are you contradicting yourself? Because the land thieves involve your people THIS TIME? How convenient. Look, if you hate world cultures and especially violent ones, start WITH YOUR ethnicity first and then make your way through ours.
oh come on Cascade stop twisting topics to suit your agenda . The topic was the rule Christianity as a religion played in persecuting the natives and ironically you were defending and i believe still defending christian values and so called holy books and the destruction they brought .
Now that it suits your agenda you bring the native issue , you realize that you are the one contradicting yourself . My views are clear and fairly simple .

1-Natives = were victimes of religious and colonial power .
2-Assyrian = They killed like there is no tomorrow and were proud of it and got punished exactly the way they punished others .
2-Do i consider Assyrian native like native American : absolutely not and it has never been proven nor it is a clear cut case like the native american , Many ethnics in iraq can make and defend the same claim . Just ask Ezidi kurd  and he will bombard you with evidence . He is the expert in Genetics here :), but as you know i do not care what people call themselves .


You feel sympathy for native Americans (who were also brutish, committing savage rituals), and think they deserve their land, but you feel nothing towards Assyrians. Perhaps because of your agenda? We are competing with yous? But hey, you're the cynical one who thinks all human cultures are equally bad, so I thought naturally you would be against the referendum, just as you would be against an Assyrian one? But it seems like you won't be. Lol.


You made me laugh i swear with your lack of neutrality . So the natives were brutish, committing savage rituals ? You think they were praying for the christian European to come and wipe out 30 millions of them , take their lands , resources , take their children and put the rest in reservations ?. WHO  is more brutish and savage in your views ?

As for present day Assyrian i have never opposed them having an autonomy or even a country and all my posts here are prove of that . I do however question and have my doubt about that and i do not think that is doable at this stage considering that you are all abroad and with population shrinking to the non existence .

Why would i be against kurdish referendum ? There are over 5 million kurds in iraq and they have the right to establish whatever country they want to . As i said in the past and i hate repeating my self i believe it is not going to be a successful state , but still better than iraq for everyone .
you're the cynical one who thinks all human cultures are equally bad?

Never said that , i said all our ancestors were equally thugs and criminals who built empires on the skulls of the other nations .Big difference from what you quoted me .  Do not get emotional Cascade and take it easy . We are just taking


Btw, my post was slagging Assyrians, and yet you replied audaciously thinking I was having a go at your own people. I've had enough of your hypocrisy and blatant inconsistencies. Admit it, you're a Kurdish nationalist who thinks his culture is above others, even though you still feel deep shame about what they did to us 100 years ago. No wonder you replied so defensively, even though not one sentence in my post involved Kurdish hate - You are a Kurdish patriot who is proud of your history just as Assyrians are with theirs. It's okay, really. Just admit it.  :lol:

1-A kurd ....yes and you know we do not chose that .
2-Nationalist ....absolutely not and i detest nationalists
3-Better than others ..... we do not even have a country , so please .
4-Ashamed of crime committed by my ancestors .....absolutely yes .... aren't you ashamed of crimes committed by Assyrian ?
5-proud of my history ? the only thing i'm proud of is what i do now .The rest is non sense

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« Reply #55 on: October 09, 2017, 12:06:54 PM »
Sunni Arabs subhuman negro monkeys are all DEASH and have got Ezdi blood on their hands.

Ezdi Kurds will never forget and forgive them. There will be a vendetta Ezdi stle on ALL Sunni Muslims as long my Aryan people do exist.

you forgot to insult Barzani again .

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« Reply #56 on: October 13, 2017, 01:38:44 PM »
you forgot to insult Barzani again .
It is almst finished with this Sunni terrorist midget and his Daesh/Barzani Kurdish supporters.

Shia/Iran is coming to Hewler and f*ck your kind of traitor Kurds up. It is finished with Sunni Islam, Turkye, Barzani, Daesh. Your days are counted.

Shia militia will come for Barzani and his sons. They must die a terrible death like all Daesh.

Did Sunni Muslim Daesh Kurds really though that they would give Kirkuk away to the Turanic Mongoloid monkeys?

Kirkuk belongs to the REAL Kurds and not to the Sunni terrorist disgusting filthy Daesh/Barzani Kurds.

All disgusting filthy Muslim subumen stink big time.

disgusting, filthy monkey subcreature allah is f*ck'd big time!

I will dance on the same day when traitor Barzani will be hanged by his balls, and later on I'll pee on his grave. inshalalalalala


Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do?
Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do?
Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?





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« Reply #57 on: October 13, 2017, 01:55:16 PM »
And now Tause Melek and his chosen will get their revenge.

Did you really thing that the betrayal of the chosen people and the land of Gods will stay unpunished.


Never forget and never forgive. All these happen to you because you betrayed the REAL Aryan Kurds and wanted to become a Turanic sumhuman Turk.

You Sunni Muslims were warned not to work with the Turks, but you did.


Never forget, the real Aryan Kurds never forget and forgive.


Sunni Muslim Daesh Barzani genocidal Kurds will get what they deserve. The furry of Tause Melek!


subcreature monkey allah is a negr0, the mighty great Tause Melek will put him to his place where he belongs, 100 feet below the sewer


This Muslim Talabai JASH is just death and  10 feet below and look what they do to his pictures,

HAHAHAHHAAHHA






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« Reply #58 on: October 13, 2017, 02:25:17 PM »
Those who have power 'used' Sunni Muslims Daesh monkey traitor Barzani and now he is useless. He didn't do what he should do.


Barzani tried to fool those who replaced GREAT Kurdistan with Turkey. Barzani made a referendum possible but he doesn't want to declared independent Kurdistan. He is waiting to long. He should declare independent Kurdistan 2 weeks ago, but he is fooling the real Kurds and does what the Turanic Mongoloid Turks are telling him to do. Barzani and his Sunni Muslim people are against Great Kurdistan. And that's why he is useless now

Now, it is time that the REAL Kurds will take control over Kurdistan. Barzani and his traitor Kurds are finished. They will make place for the REAL Kurdish leaders who will build Great Kurdistan! Great Kurdistan from Amed to Kermanshah and with our Kurdish Kirkuk (land of the Aryan Guti) at the heart of it.

Kirkuk is always will be a Kurdish city, not int he hands of the Sunni Muslim genocidal terrorists Barzani/Daesh/Turkye-Erdogan


So, it will be very soon when Barzani will be replaced with a REAL Kurdish leader. Real Kurds will come to Kirkuk and will clean the mess.


Now our focus is Damascus, Baghdad, Teheran and Constantinople. The REAL ARYAN will clean all the mess of the Muslims in the Middle East.



Never forget that there are 50 !!! million Kurds. We will defeat all our enemies !!!




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« Reply #59 on: October 14, 2017, 11:27:34 AM »
It is almst finished with this Sunni terrorist midget and his Daesh/Barzani Kurdish supporters.

Shia/Iran is coming to Hewler and f*ck your kind of traitor Kurds up. It is finished with Sunni Islam, Turkye, Barzani, Daesh. Your days are counted.

Shia militia will come for Barzani and his sons. They must die a terrible death like all Daesh.

Did Sunni Muslim Daesh Kurds really though that they would give Kirkuk away to the Turanic Mongoloid monkeys?

Kirkuk belongs to the REAL Kurds and not to the Sunni terrorist disgusting filthy Daesh/Barzani Kurds.

All disgusting filthy Muslim subumen stink big time.

disgusting, filthy monkey subcreature allah is f*ck'd big time!

I will dance on the same day when traitor Barzani will be hanged by his balls, and later on I'll pee on his grave. inshalalalalala


Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do?
Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do?
Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1cBK3kF2bs

I swear you have  Barzanophobia which is brand new illness , Barzani is actually a very cool guy , but for some reason everytime you see this :


................

you become like this ......Relax he is not going to get you I promise , it is not real and only in your head  .









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« Reply #60 on: October 19, 2017, 02:29:19 AM »
LMAO.

First of all, I like Indians and have much more respect for Indians that Semitic period. I like their culture much more and their language.


Indians are INDIC, Kurds are IRANIC. What don't you understand about it?

Indians and Kurds are part of the INDO-European language family, like CELTIC, ITALIC, GERMANIC, HELLENIC people.

IRANIC
INDIC
ITALIC
CELTIC
GERMANIC
HELLENIC
Indic and Iranic people are both Indo-Iranians. Just like Egyptians, Ethiopians, Jews and Assyrians are Semitic.

I have nothing against Indians, Iranians and other Semites.

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Are Indic and Italic people the same people? Both are INDO-European, but are they the same? Of course not. Indic people have different roots than Italic people. Same can be said about INDIC and IRANIC people.
Indic and Iranic people are a subbranch of the Indo-Iranian race, just Germans and Norwegians are of the Nordic race.

Indians and Italians are races apart. Feeble comparison. Try again. Lol.

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ARYAN Kurds are NorthWest IRANIC people. Very different roots than INDIC people.
Same way Ethiopians are eastern African and Assyrians are northwest Middle Easterners = BOTH are Semitic peoples.

Indians and Iranians share a close common ancestor, thus making you virtually of the same race (that common ancestor is even more recent than the Semitic one; of Assyrians and Ethiopians). Don't worry about their skin colour. Race is skin deep.

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But yeah my ARYAN race is still closer to all other IRANIC people in SouthCentral Asia than to Semitic Assyrians. My ARYAN race has nothing to do with the Semites, period
And also, your race is closer to other Indo-Iranians like Indians and Pakis. Don't exclude them because they're dark brown.

But I agree with you in here.

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LMAO about the Georgians! Georgians are even much MORE West Asian than Kurds, since Kurds have some other minor non-West Asian auDNA in them. Georgians are the MOST West Asian people on this planet.
Ancient Georgians were more like you, yes. But not the modern ones, who are pretty much Slavic in nature.

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Indians are Indo-European, like Celts. What is your point??? I'm Indo-Iranian, like I'm Indo-European. It means NOTHING at all. First of all I'm NorthWest Iranic like the ancient mighty ARYAN Medes. The ARYAN Medes were also NorthWest Iranic people!
You are a northwest Iranic Aryan, a subbranch of the Indo-Iranian race. Indians are an Indic branch of the Indo-Iranian race. Though some would have Dravidian mixture. Still, they are Indo-Iranian in makeup. They have long, narrow noses (if hooked), high foreheads and straight hair, like many Caucasians (especially Iranic people). Dravidians have fat noses, big lips and curly hair - Many Indians and Pakis don't even look like that.

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So, as you can see, Kurds have NOTHING to do with the Semitic people/race.
Nope, but they have more in common with non-Dravidian Indians and Pakistanis.

Who said Kurds and Assyrians are related anyway?

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I've much, much, much more respect for INDIC people than for Semitic people.

Of course, Indic people are your fellow Aryan brothers. We are of the lesser, subhuman Afro Semitic race. Why would want you to respect Afro monkeys like us?

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You are a Semite who belongs to a Semitic race. Your ancestors were hardcore Semites. If you deny your Semitic roots, then you deny your own ancestors. If you say that your race is not Semitic, then you are NOT an Assyrian at all. Because ancient Akkadians/Assyrians were Semites, belonged to the same Semitic race like Semitic Jews and Semitic Arab.

And? Same thing could be said about your Indo-Iranian people and how you all have the same roots (Indians, Nepalese, Pakis, Afghans, etc). You seem to have a problem when I shove in Pakis and Indians with your people, where you're projecting it on the Semitic race.
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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #61 on: October 19, 2017, 02:58:34 AM »
Take a number lol , Turks still claim mosul is theirs , Iranian claim that Baghdad is an iranian city (historically true ) and kurds claim that Sassanide empire and the land they occupied is theirs and assyrian with 300 thousands men women and children want to claim Assyria . 
Yes, and your point is?

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No one is the owner of anything and you know my views about history very well . Ownership always belong to the strong and your own history is clear evident of that .
Okay, cool. Then don't tell Kurds to not take lands in northern Iraq. Leave it to the wildlife. Be consistent. That's your logic, is it not?

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oh come on Cascade stop twisting topics to suit your agenda . The topic was the rule Christianity as a religion played in persecuting the natives and ironically you were defending and i believe still defending christian values and so called holy books and the destruction they brought .
I'm actually going by your feeble logic - natives own the land and that the destroyers are those who come from other lands.

Amazing that you bring up Europeans and Christians to placate and trivialized what Sunni Kurds did to Assyrians. Why are you still doing that? Lol.

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1-Natives = were victimes of religious and colonial power .
Applies to modern Assyrians

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2-Assyrian = They killed like there is no tomorrow and were proud of it and got punished exactly the way they punished others . 
They have killed a lot of people (if you're talking about 2000 years ago Lol), and maybe we got our comeuppance after that (the following 2000 years). But let's face it, we went through a lot in the past century. It's disgusting and inhumane of you to wish more Assyrian deaths and suffering. And if you that sick thought, I suggest you see a therapist.

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2-Do i consider Assyrian native like native American : absolutely not and it has never been proven nor it is a clear cut case like the native american , Many ethnics in iraq can make and defend the same claim . Just ask Ezidi kurd  and he will bombard you with evidence . He is the expert in Genetics here :), but as you know i do not care what people call themselves .
Thank you for outing yourself as an anti-Assyrian and history-denyer. Just say Assyrians don't exist and that we're gypsies, Arab (or whatever BS you guys come up with). Actually, Ezidi Kurd acknowledges our existence. He traces us to ancient Akkadians/Assyrians. I only don't agree with him when he says we're part of a "Semitic race". Even he hasn't stooped as low as you did. Look, you're a typical Assyrian-hating Sunni Kurd. I guess. I should've known. But I was too nice and naïve I guess.

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You made me laugh i swear with your lack of neutrality . So the natives were brutish, committing savage rituals ? You think they were praying for the christian European to come and wipe out 30 millions of them , take their lands , resources , take their children and put the rest in reservations ?. WHO  is more brutish and savage in your views ?
Native Americans were brutal, just like Medieval Europeans. Whether Europeans were savages too or not, is not the point anyway. Clearly you haven't read about child sacrifices and other violent rituals they had. Again, you have a pathetic and blatant agenda: "Because Christian Europeans and ancient Assyrians were savages, Islamic Kurds/Turks shouldn't be ruled out. Oh and native Americans are pacifist and harmless". Try again. Lol.

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As for present day Assyrian i have never opposed them having an autonomy or even a country and all my posts here are prove of that . I do however question and have my doubt about that and i do not think that is doable at this stage considering that you are all abroad and with population shrinking to the non existence .
You just said you don't want Assyrians to have an autonomy because they're a small amount. How is that reasonable?

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Why would i be against kurdish referendum ? There are over 5 million kurds in iraq and they have the right to establish whatever country they want to . As i said in the past and i hate repeating my self i believe it is not going to be a successful state , but still better than iraq for everyone .
If you read my posts properly you'd also be aware about the fact that I too wasn't against the referendum. But you were the one who was talking about natives and aboriginals, and how they deserve their land. It was hypocritical of you to dismiss the fact that even Kurdistan is a stolen nation. But that was convenient since it's your country

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Never said that , i said all our ancestors were equally thugs and criminals who built empires on the skulls of the other nations .Big difference from what you quoted me .  Do not get emotional Cascade and take it easy . We are just taking
Um, that was my point? You think all cultures were equally bad, Assyrians and Kurds. So why be against Assyrians ONLY and say nothing about Kurds? I'm just going by your own logic. If you what to be fair and consistent with your own logic, then also speak ill of Kurds? You're the emotional one here. All your recent posts on this forum are about Assyrians and how much you're fed up with them. Seriously, stop backpedaling and being a hypocrite..

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1-A kurd ....yes and you know we do not chose that .
2-Nationalist ....absolutely not and i detest nationalists
3-Better than others ..... we do not even have a country , so please .
4-Ashamed of crime committed by my ancestors .....absolutely yes .... aren't you ashamed of crimes committed by Assyrian ?
5-proud of my history ? the only thing i'm proud of is what i do now .The rest is non sense

1. Okay. Same here.
2. Okay, but why are you being defensive about Assyrians and their ramblings about Kurds?
3. So peoples without a country are not supposed to feel proud of themselves?
4. Time is a virtue here. Kurds and Turks committed such acts within the last century. We were savages 1500-2000 years ago. Brutal empire, yes, but it was too long ago.
4. Fair enough.
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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #62 on: October 19, 2017, 08:37:02 AM »
Lol, still wanna tr0ll?


Indic people are Indo-Aryan, while Iranians are simply ARYAN (Iranic)


Ethiopians are not Semitic, but 'Kush!tic'. Semites and Kush!tes are part of meta AFRO-Asiatic family group.

This fact doesn't make Semitic Assyrians less NorthWest Semitic people. Semites don't cluster with Aryan, never did and never will!


Indo-Iranian race doesn't exist. It is Iranic race and Indic race. Ancient Indo-Iranian evolved into modern Iranic people and Indic people.
Once again, Indians are not Indo-Iranian, but imply Indo-Aryan!! Genetically Indo-Aryans are very different from ancient Indo-Iranians.

Aryans (Kurds) and Dravidians (Indic) people share some (Iranian Plateau) ancestors, but not ALL ancestors. Iranian Plateau ARYAN migrated into India.


Modern Georgians have nothing to do with the Slavic subhumans. When we compare modern Georgian auDNA, modern Georgians (and other Caucasus people) cluster the closest to Kurds/Iranians.

here is the evidence that Georgias are very close to West Iranic people. (Georgians are green cross and Iranians are blue square). Kurds cluster between Georgians and Iranians






I don't care about Indians and never denied genetic links between Iranic and Indic people.

But Indians belong to an INDIC (INDO-Aryan) race and Kurds to NorthWest Iranian (Aryan) race.

NorthWest Iranic Medes, like SouthWest Iranic Persians, called themselves ARYANS. This is a fact.

Medes = NorthWest Iranic
Kurds = NorthWest Iranic
Medes = Kurds
Medes = Aryan
Kurds = Aryan

ARYAN = IRANIC


Semites have NOTING to do with it, period !!!




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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #63 on: October 20, 2017, 04:47:32 AM »
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Indic people are Indo-Aryan, while Iranians are simply ARYAN (Iranic)

Who are both Indo-Iranians. Doesn't mean their "Indic" and "Aryan" title should be stripped off, though. So don't panic.



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Ethiopians are not Semitic, but 'Kush!tic'. Semites and Kush!tes are part of meta AFRO-Asiatic family group.

Many Ethiopians speak Amharic, a Semitic language. So they're Semites. We share a common ancestor with them, just like Nepalese and Indians do with Iranic peoples.

Who cares if they're "black" or "brown". Let's no be ashamed of our darker relatives.

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This fact doesn't make Semitic Assyrians less NorthWest Semitic people. Semites don't cluster with Aryan, never did and never will!

What the hell is wrong with you? Who said that we cluster with Aryans? Please learn how to read.

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Indo-Iranian race doesn't exist. It is Iranic race and Indic race. Ancient Indo-Iranian evolved into modern Iranic people and Indic people.

Therefore making you a broad race of peoples. Just because the Indian guy is brown doesn't mean he is not of your race. At least you admit that ancient Iranians evolved into modern Indians and Iranians. I commend you for acknowledging that. We are getting somewhere now.
 
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Once again, Indians are not Indo-Iranian, but imply Indo-Aryan!! Genetically Indo-Aryans are very different from ancient Indo-Iranians.

Your disgust of "n!ggers" wouldn't change this fact. You just loath the fact that swarthy people are related to you. This is not a good excuse.

Non-Dravidian Indians (those from the north) are part of your race. You are all part of the Indo-Iranian race. Aryan and Indic are just subraces of Indo-Iranian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Iranians

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Aryans (Kurds) and Dravidians (Indic) people share some (Iranian Plateau) ancestors, but not ALL ancestors. Iranian Plateau ARYAN migrated into India.

Why the heck are you equating Indic people with Dravidians? Not all Indians have a strong Dravidian admixture.

Like I told you, Dravidians have thick hair, flat noses, small foreheads and black skin. A lot of Indians, who are dark brown, have Iranid features (narrow or hooked noses, straight hair, high foreheads). The only difference is that they're brown.

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Modern Georgians have nothing to do with the Slavic subhumans. When we compare modern Georgian auDNA, modern Georgians (and other Caucasus people) cluster the closest to Kurds/Iranians.

Trust me, they have eastern European roots here and there. But modern ones are more closely clustered with Circassians, Chechens and other Caucasian ethnic groups near Russia. They're just slightly related to Iranians.

Look man, Iranians are usually very swarthy and Arab looking. Georgians are not. The latter look very European. Their images say a thousand words. It doesn't matter if yous clustered close to each other a few millenias ago. Today, Georgians look distinctly European, namely like Greeks and Macedonians.

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here is the evidence that Georgias are very close to West Iranic people. (Georgians are green cross and Iranians are blue square). Kurds cluster between Georgians and Iranians



Again, this diagram is based from 9000 years ago. Doesn't apply for today's races.

Wait, why is the Iranian race also clustering with Jews (pink) and Druze (purple) peoples? They're as close to yous as Georgians are. Hm?

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I don't care about Indians and never denied genetic links between Iranic and Indic people.

You just did that above.

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But Indians belong to an INDIC (INDO-Aryan) race and Kurds to NorthWest Iranian (Aryan) race.

That's like saying Assyrians and Lebanese people belong to one race, and North Africans to another - The former is just part of a subbranch called Levantine and the latter is Egyptian/Maghreb subrace. Still broadly Semitic with recent common ancestors.

You, Pakistanis, Afghans and Indians = All Indo-Iranian. Now one is Aryan and the other is Indic. They're STILL part of the umbrella race of INDO-IRANIAN.

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NorthWest Iranic Medes, like SouthWest Iranic Persians, called themselves ARYANS. This is a fact.

Medes = NorthWest Iranic
Kurds = NorthWest Iranic
Medes = Kurds
Medes = Aryan
Kurds = Aryan

ARYAN = IRANIC


Semites have NOTING to do with it, period !!!

You're right. They don't.

Indians and Pakistanis DO THOUGH. :)
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Re: The Kurdish referendum.
« Reply #64 on: October 20, 2017, 07:08:40 AM »
Who are both Indo-Iranians. Doesn't mean their "Indic" and "Aryan" title should be stripped off, though. So don't panic.
Doesn't mean anything. Both are also Indo-European.

Once again there is no such thing as modern day Indo-Iranians. Those people evolved into Aryans (Iranics) and Indo-Aryans.


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Many Ethiopians speak Amharic, a Semitic language. So they're Semites. We share a common ancestor with them, just like Nepalese and Indians do with Iranic peoples.
No matter what, Assyrians are still Semitic and belong to a Semitic race. Nobody can change this fact.


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Who cares if they're "black" or "brown". Let's no be ashamed of our darker relatives.
I'm not ashamed of anything. I'm the darkest person in my family, so what? I'm still a Kurd and NorthWest Iranic.


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Therefore making you a broad race of peoples. Just because the Indian guy is brown doesn't mean he is not of your race. At least you admit that ancient Iranians evolved into modern Indians and Iranians. I commend you for acknowledging that. We are getting somewhere now.
Indic is not the same as IRANIC.

My dark Indo-European relatives the Indians don't belong to an Iranic (Aryan) race. They belong to an Indic race.


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Your disgust of "n!ggers" wouldn't change this fact. You just loath the fact that swarthy people are related to you. This is not a good excuse.
Do you have some issues or what? Indians are not from Africa. Indo-Iranian are NOT from Africa. While Afro-Asiatic is from Africa.

Africa belongs to n!ggers.

Indians have nothing to do with Africa, while Semitic people are connected to Africa and therefore to n!ggers.


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Non-Dravidian Indians (those from the north) are part of your race. You are all part of the Indo-Iranian race. Aryan and Indic are just subraces of Indo-Iranian.
Ancient Indo-Iranians don't exist. Today we have got Iranics (ARYANS) and Indics (INDO-Aryans). We are related to each other because Aryans from the Iranian Plateau invaded India.


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Why the heck are you equating Indic people with Dravidians? Not all Indians have a strong Dravidian admixture.
Modern Indic languages are closer to Dravidian than to ancient Sanskrit. Indic languages are hybrid languages between Sanskrit and Dravidian.


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Like I told you, Dravidians have thick hair, flat noses, small foreheads and black skin. A lot of Indians, who are dark brown, have Iranid features (narrow or hooked noses, straight hair, high foreheads). The only difference is that they're brown.
Indians are not from Africa. Afro-Asiatic people are.

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Trust me, they have eastern European roots here and there. But modern ones are more closely clustered with Circassians, Chechens and other Caucasian ethnic groups near Russia. They're just slightly related to Iranians.

Look man, Iranians are usually very swarthy and Arab looking. Georgians are not. The latter look very European. Their images say a thousand words. It doesn't matter if yous clustered close to each other a few millenias ago. Today, Georgians look distinctly European, namely like Greeks and Macedonians.
Again, this diagram is based from 9000 years ago. Doesn't apply for today's races.
You can read the diagram. This diagram is based on MODERN people. Modern population is represented here.
Kurds/Persians and Caucasians cluster very close to each other. Kurds are not mentioned in this academic diagram but Kurds can even overlap with people from Caucasus.

Kurds are more shifted toward Caucasus than Persians, but that is because of geography. Kurds are NorthWest Iranic and Persians are SouthWest Iranic. Kurds cluster between Adygeians (descendants of Maykop culture people) and Persians.


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Wait, why is the Iranian race also clustering with Jews (pink) and Druze (purple) peoples? They're as close to yous as Georgians are. Hm?
Jews, Turks etc. are not representative. Those are very mixed people. Those Jews are from Caucasus and Iran. And those Jews overlap with Armenians. And those Jews are even closer to Armenians than to Kurds/Persians. They are heavily mixed with people from Iran/Caucasus and Anatolia. Still, they have a different distinguish cluster which doesn't overlap with Aryans. Jews from Levant are even much more away from Caucasus/Iran.

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You just did that above.
That's like saying Assyrians and Lebanese people belong to one race, and North Africans to another - The former is just part of a subbranch called Levantine and the latter is Egyptian/Maghreb subrace. Still broadly Semitic with recent common ancestors.
Assyrians belong to a NorthWest Semitic race. Berbers are not even Semites. Semites and Berbers belong to a meta Afro-Asiatic group, though. Like Kurds and Indians belong to a Indo-Iranian meta group.

But I'm sure that genetic distance between Assyrians and North-Africans is smaller than genetic distance between Kurds and Indians....



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