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Assyrian: East meets West
« on: January 18, 2006, 07:19:12 PM »
This topic is for the Assyrians who want to learn more about the two different dialects we have.
Madhankhaya(east) which is spoken in Iraq and Iran and Magarbaya(west) is mostly spoken in Syria and Turkey. (Magarbaya/Magarboyo is also called Suryoyo.)

A couple of  people showed interest in learning the west Assyrians dialect .
For those people Miguel and me were planning to open a topic about the two dialects Madhenkhaya (east) and Magarbaya (west) and the similarities between the two.

Miguel was going to post it more then a week ago and he still hasn’t post anything (!) so I decide to  post our idea and I hope people will join and share their words  :lol:
Everybody’s input is welcome.

So the purpose of this topic is for those who want to learn words/sentences in east or west Assyrian. People can ask for translations or put translations in this topic.
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2006, 07:33:52 PM »
Class 1

English                      West Assyrian      East Assyrian




Peace/hello =       Shlomo   =      Shlama

Peace upon you=       Shlomo looch/elach/elaicho=   Shlama lokhun

How are you?=       Ayadarbo hat (aykan ithayk)=   Dakheewit

Fine, Thank you=      Tob no, taudi=      Spay, baseema
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2006, 07:39:21 PM »
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2006, 07:46:10 PM »
i miss you ..... ????????? I forgot.
i love you ...... ana bayanookh (girl >boy) ana bayinakh (boy >girl)
i wish you all the best ....... ?????? maybe "bchool khadoota"

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2006, 07:49:53 PM »
Class 2


English   West Assyrian   East Assyrian


What is your name=Mun jo ishmokh/ishmach=Mo eeleh shimukh/shimakh

My name is ashur=   Ishmi Ashur jo              =Shimmee Ashur eeleh



Tip 1;
The East uses the “a” ,where we use “o” ,  
The East use the “kh” where the west use the “g”= the deep h which come from deep inside the throat? Not sure how to say this
The East use the “p” where we use the “f”
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2006, 07:51:00 PM »
Quote from: BD
i miss you ..... ????????? I forgot.
i love you ...... ana bayanookh (girl >boy) ana bayinakh (boy >girl)
i wish you all the best ....... ?????? maybe "bchool khadoota"


mookhneeyen minakh(feminine), minookh(masculine)

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2006, 06:50:40 PM »
oke east assyrian dialect speaking people....HELP ME OUT!

i start a conversation....

shlama, dakheet?
bshena, besima..., dakheet? besima
and then...

What are you doing?
the response something like thank you, i am doing fine

what are your plans for today..
i am going...
i will do...

oooh oke...nice to hear

oke ...can you translate this to me...so a small conversation...:D

besima!
Maybe our mistakes are what make our fate. Without them, what would shape our lives? Perhaps if we never veered off course, we wouldn't fall in love, or have babies, or be who we are. After all, seasons change. So do cities. People come into your life and people go. But it's comforting to know the ones you love are always in your heart. And if you're very lucky, a plane ride away.

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2006, 08:07:29 PM »
Class 3

English West Assyrian East Assyrian


What country did you come from = Men ayno othro othe at = Min ainee atra tiyet?

I came from the country Lebanon = w-otheno mun athro d lebnon =Ithyen min athra d Lebnan

I am happy to see you = basimojo d hozenoch/basimojo d hozenach = khdeh lee   b'Khzaytukh

Where are you going ? = Layko ozel at? /Leiko kuzokh (male)/ Leiko  kuzakh (female) = Layka B’ezalat/   Brickshet


I am going to the shop = Ono ozilnoL’shiqo   = Ana azin l’shuqa/Ana b’rikhshen L’shuqa
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2006, 02:05:01 AM »
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shlama, dakheet?
bshena, besima..., dakheet? besima
and then...

What are you doing?
the response something like thank you, i am doing fine

what are your plans for today..
i am going...
i will do...

oooh oke...nice to hear

oke ...can you translate this to me...so a small conversation...:


what are you doing- moo wadit?
what are your plans for today?  moop thodit/thodet oodyou? (thats not literally what are your plans, its a more cmmon way of sayin it, more like "what are you going to do today?"

i am going- ana b'thazin/ana bezalin/ana brikhshin/ana b'khashin lol those r all the same

i will do- ana b'thodin/thoden

oo ok, nice to hear- oo rabab spy, ghdeelee b'shmehta (they usually just say oo raba spy or just spy)

thats a rough translatiion cause some of the phrases u used arent used much
Hooooy nazeh, nazeh, nazeh
hoooy nazeh shqilteyt libbee
la hoya shumthut libbee
dowkhineh qatekh khubee

Hooooy nazeh, nazeh, nazeh
hoooy nazeh bratit thoora
la daryet libbee noora
bit hawin qatekh khowra

Hooooy nazeh, nazeh, nazeh
hoooy nazeh bratit shara
belbooseyt mekh doh sahra
khazinekh b zreqtit bahra

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2006, 05:51:19 AM »
I love you = Ana Makhbinakh(to femal) ana Makhbanokh(tomale)

coms from makhobe so khoba(love)

what are you doing- modi iwet biwatha.

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2006, 01:12:58 PM »
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Yimme ithya min atra d´Lebnon  did I say that good???
 

yea thats pretty good but different dialects say things diferent so theres like 5 ways to say what u said lol

yimme teetehla/heetehla min atra d'libnan- my mom came from libnan

yimme weetehla goo atra d'libnan- my mom was made in libnan lol

yimme breetehla goo atra d'libnan-my mom was born(created) in libnan

and u dont have to say atra either u can just say the name of the country, thats more informal and better for casual convo
Hooooy nazeh, nazeh, nazeh
hoooy nazeh shqilteyt libbee
la hoya shumthut libbee
dowkhineh qatekh khubee

Hooooy nazeh, nazeh, nazeh
hoooy nazeh bratit thoora
la daryet libbee noora
bit hawin qatekh khowra

Hooooy nazeh, nazeh, nazeh
hoooy nazeh bratit shara
belbooseyt mekh doh sahra
khazinekh b zreqtit bahra

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2006, 09:27:47 AM »
Tauwdi Khigaaaaa  :bigarmhug:


Can someone translate my signature in to eastern Assyrian???
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2006, 05:43:09 PM »
nobody wants to learn suryoyoyoyoyoyo???? :angelnot:
Maybe our mistakes are what make our fate. Without them, what would shape our lives? Perhaps if we never veered off course, we wouldn't fall in love, or have babies, or be who we are. After all, seasons change. So do cities. People come into your life and people go. But it's comforting to know the ones you love are always in your heart. And if you're very lucky, a plane ride away.

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2006, 06:03:44 PM »
La = Lo= no


Only you and me  :angry:
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2006, 06:10:37 PM »
what a geeks :ban:
Maybe our mistakes are what make our fate. Without them, what would shape our lives? Perhaps if we never veered off course, we wouldn't fall in love, or have babies, or be who we are. After all, seasons change. So do cities. People come into your life and people go. But it's comforting to know the ones you love are always in your heart. And if you're very lucky, a plane ride away.

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2006, 06:23:06 PM »
geeks oe bas?!  :ban:
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2006, 03:33:45 AM »
What happened to the next lesson? I want to learn it and I'm writing down notes.

By the way, even though "bayyinakh" is used a lot for "I love you", I believe "makhbinnakh" is more accurate, or as our Assyrian brothers (Chaldean Church) say "K7eibinakh".  :mrgreen:

I'm sorry if someone else had mentioned it and I didn't see it.

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2006, 09:36:59 AM »
For those who writing down notes here's class 4  :bigarmhug:

Class 4
Normal
Ono = I    
Hat = you   
Hiye = he      
Hiya= she   
Hune= they
Hatoe = you (p)
Achna = we


Ktobonoyo/leshono atiqo/leeshana atiqa
Eno = I    
At = you   
Who = he      
Hi= she   
henoun for male heneen for female = they
Atoen for male Ateen for female= you (p)
h'nan = we
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2006, 09:33:23 PM »
did you guys that speak the west assyrian dialect understand all of the words and phrases in the movie "Passion of the Christ"?  And this was defintely a good idea.....very interesting....



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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2006, 12:35:32 PM »
Most didn't understand anything of the passion of christ just a couple of words


Class 5


Mun ko seimat = what are you doing?
Mun sumloch/lach = what did you do today?
Lomede = nothing

Aiko hat = where are you?
Maiko hat = where are you from
Maiko kothat = where are you coming from
Laiko kuzohk/kuzakh = where are you going to
« Last Edit: February 12, 2006, 05:30:58 PM by eanna »
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2006, 07:28:59 PM »
Dear Eanna and All,

The proposed idea is very good and actually it's not hard at all to learn both eastern and western dialects of the Assyrian language,especially if we tend to read the Estrangela alphabet because this was the font shared by all the Assyrians before the schisms and the changes in fonts and spelling. Thus for any one who speaks and reads the eastern or the western dialects they will both be able to read the Estrangela letters without a problem.

As for the western dialect it's actually known as Ma'erwaya/Ma'erbaya or Ma'erboyo.The differences between the two dialects are mostly in the spelling and in the common dialect not in the Ktawanaya or Ktobonoyo which is the literary language and which as a matter of fact is a bit more different than what we speak may it be eastern or western.It's a great idea to know both dialects which will let many barriers down between Assyrians of the same heritage,because whether we call the dialect we're speaking As'suryaya or As'suryoyo it's still the same language. Just as a note the eastern Assyrian dialect isn't just spoken in Iraq and Iran but rather it's spoken in all the Middle East countries where there are Assyrians as well as the Diaspora ofcourse and the same goes for the western Assyrian dialect.

The other thing which we shouldn't forget is that before the Genocide of 1915 that is the Seypa/Seyfo Genocide of WWI, the Hakkari mountains were full of Assyrians who spoke the eastern dialect as well and those who were not massacred fled along with the Assyrians from Iran to what was then the Mosul Vilayat or province before it became known as Iraq thus they actually went back to their homeland Assyria.

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2006, 03:30:17 PM »
Thanks Nina
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Adjoma = today
Athmul = yesterday
Safro    = tomorrow

Rfofo/rfofto= seconde
Qatinto       = minute/ one minute
Sheh'tho     = hour
Yawmo       = day
Shaptho      = Week
Yarh'o         = month
Shato          = year


« Last Edit: February 12, 2006, 05:32:18 PM by eanna »
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2006, 05:40:40 PM »
 :mrgreen:



Aboun d'Bashmayo: Our Father who is in Heaven

Nethqadash Shmokh: Holy is your Name

Tithe Malkuthokh: Your Kingdom shall come

Nehwe Sebyonokh: Your will be done

Aykano d'Bashmayo Of Bar'o: Just as in heaven also on earth

Hab Lan Lahmo d'Sunqonan Yawmono: Give us this day our daily bread

Washbuq Lan Hawbayn Wahtohayn: And forgive us Our sins and our debts

Aykano Dof Hnan Shbaqn l'Hayobayn: Just as we also are forgiven our sins

Wlo Te'lan l'Nesyuno: And do not led us to temptation

Elo Faso Lan Men Bisho: But deliver us from evil

Metul Ddilokh Hi Malkutho: Because the Kingdom is yours

Whaylo Wteshbuhto l'Olam 'Olmin Amin: And the power and glory forever and ever Amen
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2006, 10:16:04 PM »
Thanks Nina
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Adjoma = today
Athmul = yesterday
Safro    = tomorrow

Rfofo/rfofto= seconde
Qatinto       = minute/ one minute
Sheh'tho     = hour
Yawmo       = day
Shaptho      = Week
Yarh'o         = month
Shato          = year




Thanks eanna. :)

I'll try & translate your classes into Eastern Assyrian, for anyone who's interested in learning it.

Edyo = Today
Timmal = Yesterday
Qodmeh = Tomorrow

Ropapa = Second
??? = Minute (I say "daqeeqa", but that's not Assyrian)
Sa'at = Hour
Yawma = Day
Shapta/Shawoo'a = Week
Yarkha = Month
Sheita = Year


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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2006, 10:22:34 PM »
Most didn't understand anything of the passion of christ just a couple of words


Class 5


Mun ko seimat = what are you doing?
Mun sumloch/lach = what did you do today?
Lomede = nothing

Aiko hat = where are you?
Maiko hat = where are you from
Maiko kothat = where are you coming from
Laiko kuzohk/kuzakh = where are you going to


Mot wada? = What are you doing?
Mo widlokh(Male)/widlakh(Female) idyo? = What did you do today?
Hich mindi = Nothing
Eihket = Where are you?
Meihket = Where are you from?
Meihket Betaya = Where are you coming from?
Eihket Bekhasha (Some say "Bezala") = Where are you going to?


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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2006, 10:26:55 PM »
For those who writing down notes here's class 4  :bigarmhug:

Class 4
Normal
Ono = I    
Hat = you   
Hiye = he      
Hiya= she   
Hune= they
Hatoe = you (p)
Achna = we


Ktobonoyo/leshono atiqo/leeshana atiqa
Eno = I    
At = you   
Who = he      
Hi= she   
henoun for male heneen for female = they
Atoen for male Ateen for female= you (p)
h'nan = we

Ana = I
Atti = You
A'awin = He
A'ayin = She
A'ani = They
Akhnan = We

Et'diyyileh = Mine
Et'diyyokheleh = Yours
Et'diyyeleh = His
Et'diyyoleh = Hers
Et'diyyeheleh = Theirs
Et'diyyaneleh = Ours


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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2006, 11:52:20 PM »
Guys not sure how this thread works, but it would be good if people can put a list of words in English, and someone volunteers to write them in Assyrian.

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2006, 03:54:19 PM »
Guys not sure how this thread works, but it would be good if people can put a list of words in English, and someone volunteers to write them in Assyrian.

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Yeah I actually hoped people would post words or sentences which they wanted to translate in to assyrian.
Anyone who wants something translated in east or west assyrian please post it ....... :mrgreen:


And Salem thank you very much  :bigarmhug: :winkkiss:
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2006, 10:55:27 PM »
I am curious to know,
1) Did we eastern and western Assyrians speak the same dilect during our empire days?
2) IF so, how and why did the dilects split into 2 types....Shlama/Shlomo?
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2006, 07:02:52 AM »

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just wondering, as there are several people interested in learning either of the two syriac dialects could a moderator please sticky this thread?  :)

Like who???

Ok I just translated those for you Younan cause I know you are intrested  and lets see if other people are intrested in your idea

i =ono
am = no
who = man
what = mun
where = ayko
when = ema

you = hat
me =ono
her = deda
him = deday
he = heyi
she = heya

if = enaqa
only = bass
to =hul
from = may
before = qam (mayqam)
after = buthur
time = zabno

then to move onto sentences: and translate:

what time is it? Mun zabno yo
where did you go?  layko kuzokh/kuzakh (layko ozel at)
what are you doing? Mun ko saymat?
who did you speak to? May man ko mudgholat


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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2006, 02:15:01 AM »
Guys im confused

Madhankhaya(east) which is spoken in Iraq and Iran and Magarbaya(west) is mostly spoken in Syria and Turkey. (Magarbaya/Magarboyo is also called Suryoyo.)

So where does Chaldean fall into?

P.S this is not to start an argument I am really curious.
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« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2006, 07:52:55 PM »
Oh ok cool

So its safe to say all Assyrians either speak East or West!
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2006, 06:30:34 PM »
Very nice topic  :yourock:

Now i remembered i used to have a lawyer friend at the gym who used to teach me the eastern assyrian  :mrgreen:

The only thing i remember though is Shlomo
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2006, 12:37:56 AM »
Ayadarbo hat everyone? nice topic me also learnt a few phrases in Assyrian!

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #34 on: October 03, 2006, 04:59:03 AM »
Very nice topic  :yourock:

Now i remembered i used to have a lawyer friend at the gym who used to teach me the eastern assyrian  :mrgreen:

The only thing i remember though is Shlomo
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I think you mean west assyrian :)

Ayadarbo hat everyone? nice topic me also learnt a few phrases in Assyrian!

tob na = we are fine ... hat aydarbo hat??= how are you  :mrgreen:
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