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Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« on: February 02, 2017, 05:09:41 PM »
as we all know from our history, Assyrians have been part of the Persian empire since the time of Cyrus/Kurush.
Serving as loyal soldiers and a major cultural and social influence on Persian society.

I can argue that the Persian empire was more or less the Assyro-Persian civilization (kinda like the Greco-Roman wording)

Given our history and given that Iran is the only country, besides Israel, that has a stable Assyrian population,
Also given that Iran is the only country that recognizes Assyrians and gives them political rights.

would an alliance with Iran be a smart one?



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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2017, 09:27:43 PM »
From my understanding, Iran is actually anti-Assyrian, they just use the Assyrian Universal Alliance as a tool to say "See, we treat minorities good" but in actuality, they treat them very bad, by denying their language and religion. There was a recent report where the Iranian government converted a church into a mosque by force, if there is any nation in the middle east that is closest to being friendly with Assyrians, it is Iraqi gov/Iraqi patriotism (not Iraqi pan-Arabism or Sunnism/Kurdism).
Even after the fall of Nineveh (612BC) The Assyrians lived under their own law, they had their own autonomy under the different names such as Athura, Adiabene and Asuristan. It lasted till the 7th century AD.

Sennacherib II(2), was an Assyrian Governor or 'king' of northern Asuristan in 372 AD.

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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2017, 09:56:12 PM »
From my understanding, Iran is actually anti-Assyrian, they just use the Assyrian Universal Alliance as a tool to say "See, we treat minorities good" but in actuality, they treat them very bad, by denying their language and religion. There was a recent report where the Iranian government converted a church into a mosque by force, if there is any nation in the middle east that is closest to being friendly with Assyrians, it is Iraqi gov/Iraqi patriotism (not Iraqi pan-Arabism or Sunnism/Kurdism).

they converted a church into a mosque by force but was it an Assyrian church?

EDIT: They illegally confiscated a Chaldean Church into a mosque.

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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2017, 12:48:29 AM »
From my understanding, Iran is actually anti-Assyrian, they just use the Assyrian Universal Alliance as a tool to say "See, we treat minorities good" but in actuality, they treat them very bad, by denying their language and religion.
Yes. They probably do that in spite of Turks (since we're not recognized by them).
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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2017, 02:46:00 AM »
Yes. They probably do that in spite of Turks (since we're not recognized by them).

yes, on the good side, Iran has formally recognized Assyrians within the "constitution" of Iran as an ethnic minority.

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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2017, 07:00:39 PM »
they converted a church into a mosque by force but was it an Assyrian church?

EDIT: They illegally confiscated a Chaldean Church into a mosque.

Doesn't matter. If that's how they treat minorities which includes us, and their constitution approves it they're hopeless if not enemies. The "they're not quite as bad as certain others so they must not be bad" is for the gullible and weak(not you).

It kind of reminds me of Turkey's issues too. They'll treat you better the more you let go of your roots. You can even maintain your non-islamic religion, but you must assimilate.

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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2017, 07:07:30 PM »
Doesn't matter. If that's how they treat minorities which includes us, and their constitution approves it they're hopeless if not enemies. The "they're not quite as bad as certain others so they must not be bad" is for the gullible and weak(not you).

So in other words, be enemies with everyone in the middle east. If not Israel, if not the Arab states then not Iran aswell? Even your political opinions are cringe worthy. Pulling 'enemy' on everyone won't get us anywhere we will be an isolated-hated nation like Israel because we declare enemies on everyone, no nation is perfect (Even it's history) but we have to choose strategic allies in the middle east even if it means being allies with Iran (Look at past relations with Armenia-Iran).
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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2017, 07:16:35 PM »
So in other words, be enemies with everyone in the middle east. If not Israel, if not the Arab states then not Iran aswell? Even your political opinions are cringe worthy. Pulling 'enemy' on everyone won't get us anywhere we will be an isolated-hated nation like Israel because we declare enemies on everyone, no nation is perfect (Even it's history) but we have to choose strategic allies in the middle east even if it means being allies with Iran (Look at past relations with Armenia-Iran).

No in other words, consider them all enemies so you never let your guard down because that's reality. You can work with certain groups without suffering from Stockholm syndrome. We're already working with another sect of Persians called Kurds, while this is giving us some level of military force they also assasinated one of our best generals. Something like that will happen every time we get a little bit too much success for their liking so it's hit and miss. You don't know history at all. Read a book on Iranian role in the Seyfo if you want to bring up history.

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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2017, 08:15:21 PM »
Doesn't matter. If that's how they treat minorities which includes us, and their constitution approves it they're hopeless if not enemies. The "they're not quite as bad as certain others so they must not be bad" is for the gullible and weak(not you).

It kind of reminds me of Turkey's issues too. They'll treat you better the more you let go of your roots. You can even maintain your non-islamic religion, but you must assimilate.

you misunderstand...

"The Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran, ratified in 1979, recognizes Assyrians as a religious minority and ethnic minority and reserves for them one seat in the Islamic Consultative Assembly, the Iranian parliament."
(Hooglund (2008), pp. 128–129)

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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2017, 09:00:13 PM »
No in other words, consider them all enemies so you never let your guard down because that's reality. You can work with certain groups without suffering from Stockholm syndrome. We're already working with another sect of Persians called Kurds, while this is giving us some level of military force they also assasinated one of our best generals. Something like that will happen every time we get a little bit too much success for their liking so it's hit and miss. You don't know history at all. Read a book on Iranian role in the Seyfo if you want to bring up history.


From the understanding of the Seyfo the Ottomans went into Persian lands and killed Assyrian villagers.

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The protection of Christians by local Persian civilians is also confirmed in the 1915 British


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In Salmas, about 750 Armenian and Assyrian refugees were protected by Iranian civilians in the village


Source: http://www.firstworldwar.com/source/brycereport_armenia.htm

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In 1918, about half of the Assyrians of Persia died of Turkish and Kurdish massacres


Source: Baumer, Church of the East, at 263. The Church of the East: An Illustrated History of Assyrian Christianity, Christoph Baumer, I.B. Tauris, 2006.


Only two parts of world war I where their was some type of 'hostility' towards Assyrians from Persians in World war 1.

The first was that Persians were irritated by Assyrians because they thought the Russian empire were using them for strategy and the second was when "Mar Shimmun understood the difficult situation of the Assyrians. His messages in 1918 were persuading Agha Putrus not to fight against Persians, but to make peace with them. Nonetheless, the Assyrians did not put down their weapons, as the Patriarch advised; they chose to attack."

Mar Shimmun, the guy you have as a profile picture and yet you don't know history, lol. Play enemies with everyone as I said you clearly don't know.

and yes, you can't be allies with Kurds but they aren't fully hostile to us. Kurds themselves are fighting with eachother such as PKK-Barzani-PYD (Kurdish groups in Iran).
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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2017, 10:56:08 PM »
yes, on the good side, Iran has formally recognized Assyrians within the "constitution" of Iran as an ethnic minority.
I know. I meant that they only "formally recognize" us because Turks are not doing so. They did it in spite of the Turks. The Iranians want to be appear angelic in front of them and be like "hey, look at how nice we are compared to that moderate Islamic country". I'm just reading between the lines. Let's not be too naive.

With that being said, it won't kill if we become allies with Iran or even Turkey. Just as long we're not enemies of Israel (considering how much aid they get), we'll do fine. Heck, I would even begrudgingly condone an alliance with the most savage and despicable country in the world (like Saudi Arabia), if it will do us good. We should be really strategic here. That's how you win in this world.
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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2017, 09:39:28 AM »
From the understanding of the Seyfo the Ottomans went into Persian lands and killed Assyrian villagers.

Source: http://www.firstworldwar.com/source/brycereport_armenia.htm

Source: Baumer, Church of the East, at 263. The Church of the East: An Illustrated History of Assyrian Christianity, Christoph Baumer, I.B. Tauris, 2006.


Only two parts of world war I where their was some type of 'hostility' towards Assyrians from Persians in World war 1.

The first was that Persians were irritated by Assyrians because they thought the Russian empire were using them for strategy and the second was when "Mar Shimmun understood the difficult situation of the Assyrians. His messages in 1918 were persuading Agha Putrus not to fight against Persians, but to make peace with them. Nonetheless, the Assyrians did not put down their weapons, as the Patriarch advised; they chose to attack."

Mar Shimmun, the guy you have as a profile picture and yet you don't know history, lol. Play enemies with everyone as I said you clearly don't know.

and yes, you can't be allies with Kurds but they aren't fully hostile to us. Kurds themselves are fighting with eachother such as PKK-Barzani-PYD (Kurdish groups in Iran).


You're gonna bring up Mar Shimun Benyamin to defend the Iranians? Hilarious considering they worked together with the Kurds so conspire the assasination on him lead by Simkoo's militia. Everybody knows that but of course you wouldn't as I already said, you're clueless on history. The Persians conspired together with the Kurds to set up the assasination in Salmas to take out the Assyrian leadership.
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It soon became apparent that the Tabriz government was not only without knowledge as to the secret activities of the Moslems in Urmia, but it had also a hand in the agitation that led to the Mohammedan uprising against the Christians. The deposed Shah, Mohammed Ali, before his succession to the throne and his subsequent dethronement and exile, as the crown prince, and future King of Persia, had for a bribe of three thousand Toomans ($2,700) given his consent to the Kurdish tribes of Kurdistan to attack his own Christian subjects of Targavar, plunder their homes, and carry away their flocks and cattle, and which, of course, they did. The existing crown prince, now residing in Tabriz, was none other than the brother of the deposed monarch, a fanatical Moslem, and a hater of the Christians. The plan for the assassination of Agha Petros, which was to be followed by a wholesale massacre of the Assyrians in Urmia, having failed so disastrously to the Moslems, superior authorities now concocted the diabolical scheme and formed a more treacherous conspiracy to kill the Patriarch and the Commander-in-Chief of the Assyrian forces; and then to mobilize larger forces in order to carry out the previous program for the extermination of the Christians. They were clever enough to play upon the virtues of their victim. They remembered how earnestly he had pleaded with them, and how sincerely he had manifested his strong desire for peace and friendly relations, with both the Persian authorities, and with the Moslem subjects of Persia


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In Salmas at this time resided a notorious brigand by the name of Simkoo. He was undoubtedly the most dreaded, by the Persian authorities, of all the Kurdish chieftains of the Eastern Kurdistan, and was regarded as the strongest of them all. Through the game of diplomacy he had managed to be alternately now on the Persian side and then again on the Turkish side. At the time of the Russian occupation of the State of Azarbaijan, the notorious brigand had surprised his co-religionists, and fought on the side of the Allies as well. He was once captured by the Russian soldiers and taken to Tiflis as a prisoner. But before the collapse of Russia he had succeeded in gaining the favor of the Russian military authorities to secure his freedom, and to bring back with him a considerable supply of arms and ammunition, on the promise that he world use his available force against the Turks. After the Russians had completely withdrawn from Persia, Simkoo, so far as Persia was concerned, became supreme, and since the days of Shah Abbass, no monarch had exercised as great an authority over the boundary lands of the northwestern Persia. The Persian government, of which he was a subject, he had defied, as he could always defy; and so far as the Turks were concerned, he knew he could play the game again by telling them that he was forced into the service of Russia against his will. Simkoo had had one fear only, and that had always risen from the Assyrian marksmen of Targavar, even though they were inferior to his men in numbers. But now that the Assyrian warriors of the hills were also present in Persia, he had become a peaceful subject, and had apparently chosen to live out and far from his old nest of lawlessness in the mountains of Bradoost and Somaie. It was this man that the Persian authorities used as a tool in their hands for the assassination of Mar Shimon. And after he had committed the dastardly deed, he was told, if the Turks failed to make their appearance in Persia by that time, he could escape into the interior of the country and remain there unmolested.

Mar Shimon and his bodyguard of two hundred horsemen arrived in Salmas during the last week of February, 1918. He was welcomed by his own people, and by the Armenians as well. Even the Moslems of Salmas vied with the Christians in the bestowal of honors upon him. Shortly after his arrival he was visited by two emmisaries of the Persian authorities of Tabriz. They came to the Patriarch with that polished hyprocrisy which grows exclusively in the soil of Islam. They reminded him of the letter he had written several months before to the Tabriz authorities, expressing his good will toward the Persian government, and requesting of the latter that he and his people be allowed to reside in Persia as their temporary guests. They officially informed the Patriarch of the "deep appreciation" that was felt by the Persian authorities of the contents of his Beatitude's letter, and that how those authorities had been "glad to serve a humanitarian cause," by gladly opening the gates of their country, to give the Assyrian Christians a place of refuge. But, the emissaries added, inasmuch as the Persian authorities desired to see those boundary lands in perfect peace and tranquility, and inasmuch as they would no longer countenance any local Moslem agitations and uprisings against the Christians, they thought that it would be for the interest of peace, if the only source of trouble that might disturb the tranquility of the country, was eliminated. And that, inasmuch as the Kurdish chieftan had indicated to the Persian authorities, a strong desire to come to an understanding with the Assyrians, it would absolutely insure the desired end, if his Beatitude could likewise assure Simkoo and his followers of his friendly attitude toward the latter as well.


As far as the copy and paste job you made out of context, that was in self defense against the many massacres committed by the persians in Khoi, Urmia, Hamadan, Tabriz etc. The patriach wanted to avoid as much conflict as possible in order to make peace with the persian authorities. Even though he led many battles himself, he was also too trusting of the muslims which eventually caused his demise. The genocide against Assyrians and other christian minorities was ongoing in Iran as well, and here you are blaming Assyrians militias for taking matters into their own hands instead of the muslims.

Of course there were good Iranians who helped Assyrians back then, there were even Turks and Kurds who did the same during the seyfo. It doesn't change what others of their kind did. It's the same story today. There are some good muslims we can work with but we'll always have to look out for their bad apples, that's my point in this thread. For the record, I would prefer Assyrians to be backed by Syria-Russia-Iran(untill the inevitable back-stab).

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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2017, 09:49:48 AM »
you misunderstand...

"The Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran, ratified in 1979, recognizes Assyrians as a religious minority and ethnic minority and reserves for them one seat in the Islamic Consultative Assembly, the Iranian parliament."
(Hooglund (2008), pp. 128–129)

A constitution is only as strong as it's implementation in real life though. The church conversion to a mosque in Tehran is simply too damning as there's not much of a bigger slap in the face of Assyrians.
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The regime has openly admitted to usurping the formerly Christian parish grounds of Chaldean Catholic Church for the purpose of converting them into a center for Islamic prayers.

“The brazen admission displays first and foremost the discriminatory and sectarian policies of the regime vis-a-vis Iran’s religious minorities,” Ali Safavi of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI) said. “At the same time, it speaks to the failure of Western policy to accommodate the regime in the futile hope that it will promote moderation and tolerance on the domestic front.”

That's not even a group of thugs doing this, it's the Iranian goverment itself and they're open about it.

What does their constitution say about an issue like this? Not that it seems to matter.

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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2017, 12:40:38 AM »
You're gonna bring up Mar Shimun Benyamin to defend the Iranians? Hilarious considering they worked together with the Kurds so conspire the assasination on him lead by Simkoo's militia. Everybody knows that but of course you wouldn't as I already said, you're clueless on history. The Persians conspired together with the Kurds to set up the assasination in Salmas to take out the Assyrian leadership.
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As far as the copy and paste job you made out of context, that was in self defense against the many massacres committed by the persians in Khoi, Urmia, Hamadan, Tabriz etc. The patriach wanted to avoid as much conflict as possible in order to make peace with the persian authorities. Even though he led many battles himself, he was also too trusting of the muslims which eventually caused his demise. The genocide against Assyrians and other christian minorities was ongoing in Iran as well, and here you are blaming Assyrians militias for taking matters into their own hands instead of the muslims.

Of course there were good Iranians who helped Assyrians back then, there were even Turks and Kurds who did the same during the seyfo. It doesn't change what others of their kind did. It's the same story today. There are some good muslims we can work with but we'll always have to look out for their bad apples, that's my point in this thread. For the record, I would prefer Assyrians to be backed by Syria-Russia-Iran(untill the inevitable back-stab).


I did copy and paste that's why I quoted.

You can deny what Mar Shimun Benyamin said, as you are usually ignorant with many things. You just located where massacres were commited but majority of sources say Turks who went across into Persian lands, it's not about being allies with Russia.. and yes I agree they are 'some good Muslims' but doesn't mean you can trust them.

I am not blaming Assyrian Miltias for 'taking it into their own hands' really funny coming from someone who is extremely religious where many priests condemned wars against Muslims and Zorostrians for man years causing the Assyrians to be seen as an 'easy target' just like how sub-human Sunni Arabs describe Assyrians in Dora, Baghdad.

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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2017, 07:14:16 PM »
mrzurnaci, I appreciate your ideas about making new alliens for our nation. Many Assyrian on this form dont understand that we really need a wise game with  our "good neighbours" in the region. We are a small minority, probably the smallest in Middle East just cant be enemy with Persians, Turks and Kurds together, that does not make any sence and are not logical.
We are good at thinking about what happend in the hisotry but not thinking about a strategy for the future. keep going with your Controversial ideas  :thumbup:

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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2017, 02:00:03 AM »
Waiting for Joe to reply because he's a liar and a deceiver like a Muslim
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here you are blaming Assyrians militias for taking matters into their own hands instead of the muslims.

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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2017, 02:31:26 PM »
Waiting for Joe to reply because he's a liar and a deceiver like a Muslim

Is this really coming from a so called "Assyrian Nationalist" who is defending Iranian muslims over your own people(not that you truly are) even though they massacred us and they would throw you off a rooftop? And I try not to give you too much attention but now you tried to distort history. Needless to say you failed as usual, with your biggest obstacle being your abhorrent english grammar and intellect-level.

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You can deny what Mar Shimun Benyamin said

First off, you did not even provide a source for that quote. It shows no further context which is crucial and that is why I exposed your copy and paste jobs. You deliberately tried to make it look like Assyrians were out attacking poor Persians while the patriach was telling them not to, that is how idiotic you've been in this thread.

While I've shown my sources that show Persians massacred Assyrians in many major cities in Iran and the reasoning was the same as the one that the Kurds and Turks used. Which is why Assyrian militias lead by Agha Petros were in many armed conflicts to try to stop the genocide while the patriach was trying to make peace with the Ottoman and Persian goverments, the latter being the same who arranged his assasination and of 100 other bodyguards. That is why there might have been some disagreements between Mar Shimon and Petros, but it has nothing to do with whatever lies you tried to claim.

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but majority of sources say Turks who went across into Persian lands

Both Turks AND Persians were doing the killing in Persian lands. This has been proven already, your love for muslim persians isn't enough to refute this.

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and yes I agree they are 'some good Muslims' but doesn't mean you can trust them

"There are" not "they are". And thanks for repeating my point.

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I am not blaming Assyrian Miltias for 'taking it into their own hands' really funny coming from someone who is extremely religious where many priests condemned wars against Muslims and Zorostrians for man years causing the Assyrians to be seen as an 'easy target' just like how sub-human Sunni Arabs describe Assyrians in Dora, Baghdad

This is what I mean, what are you even trying to say here?  :lol: You are all over the place and extremely incoherent. Re-read that part again, do you even understand what you're saying yourself? I'm seriously laughing at the random incoherence.

This was the big response that I was supposed to answer all this time? lol you're still under the juvenile impression that whoever has the last reply in a thread must always be right which is adorable yet sad.

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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2017, 06:33:54 PM »
Sure, join the Aryans and f*ck the Semitic race altogether with the Jews. The Jews as Semites are the number 1 enemies of the Aryans (Persian + Kurds).

Jews are trying everything that Kurds and Persians start an Aryan-race brother war between each other. It will NEVER happen, Aryan Kurds and Aryan Persians will NEVER going to fight each other for the disgusting Semitic Jews & Sunni Arabs and disgusting Mongoloid Sunni Turks.

Semitic disgusting Jews are trying to destroy the Aryan (Iranid) race. We (the real Kurds)  told Americans, first Turks and Turkey must go down, then the Persian regime will become more 'democratic'.


Aryan Kurds are fighting their own war and for Kurdish Aryan race only and for nobody else, for own Kurdish Aryan race interests. The era that Kurds are fighting for others is over.


Jews are playing with fire. All the evil in West Asia are the Turks and the Semites.


Today, the closest allies of my people (the Ezdi Kurds) are the Persians. Together with the Persians, the Ezdi Kurds are fight against the Sunni Islam. After the Shengal genocide of 2/8/2014 the Persians helped the Ezdi Kurds the most.


At the end of the day, the Semites (Jews included) & Mongoloid Turks will be defeated. So, join the Aryans (Kurds & Persians) before it is to late, because the Aryans will be victorious.


Without Great Kurdistan there will NEVER be an Assyrian state. Arabs, Jews and Turks will NEVER give the Assyrians anything. For the Sunni Muslims Assyrians don't exist. The key to the Assyrian state is Great Kurdistan, period! Aryans will give Assyrians their regions back.
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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2017, 08:53:29 PM »
Sure, join the Aryans and f*ck the Semitic race altogether with the Jews. The Jews as Semites are the number 1 enemies of the Aryans (Persian + Kurds).

Jews are trying everything that Kurds and Persians start an Aryan-race brother war between each other. It will NEVER happen, Aryan Kurds and Aryan Persians will NEVER going to fight each other for the disgusting Semitic Jews & Sunni Arabs and disgusting Mongoloid Sunni Turks.

Semitic disgusting Jews are trying to destroy the Aryan (Iranid) race. We (the real Kurds)  told Americans, first Turks and Turkey must go down, then the Persian regime will become more 'democratic'.


Aryan Kurds are fighting their own war and for Kurdish Aryan race only and for nobody else, for own Kurdish Aryan race interests. The era that Kurds are fighting for others is over.


Jews are playing with fire. All the evil in West Asia are the Turks and the Semites.


Today, the closest allies of my people (the Ezdi Kurds) are the Persians. Together with the Persians, the Ezdi Kurds are fight against the Sunni Islam. After the Shengal genocide of 2/8/2014 the Persians helped the Ezdi Kurds the most.


At the end of the day, the Semites (Jews included) & Mongoloid Turks will be defeated. So, join the Aryans (Kurds & Persians) before it is to late, because the Aryans will be victorious.


Without Great Kurdistan there will NEVER be an Assyrian state. Arabs, Jews and Turks will NEVER give the Assyrians anything. For the Sunni Muslims Assyrians don't exist. The key to the Assyrian state is Great Kurdistan, period! Aryans will give Assyrians their regions back.

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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2017, 09:08:48 PM »
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That's just Alan's alter ego. He was already pissed in the other thread, so he decided to let his anger out in his alternate account. For a "Ezedi" he sure is very protective and defensive when it comes to Islamic Kurds. So I doubt that he's a Yezedi.

Anyway, the Jews are far superior to the Kurds and Persians. Modern history kinda shows that. Look at the success of Jews and look at Kurds. Jealousy and denial is very strong in this one.  :mrgreen:

And Lol, the idea that "Aryan" and "Semite" are races. Never knew that language families show up in your blood. Little did this guy know that Nazis would see Kurds, Assyrians, Arabs and Persians as one "dark" Middle Eastern race. Heck, if Kurds and Persians were in Germany in 1940s, Hitler would've killed them for not possessing Aryan features. :lol:

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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2017, 10:07:31 PM »
That's just Alan's alter ego. He was already pissed in the other thread, so he decided to let his anger out in his alternate account. For a "Ezedi" he sure is very protective and defensive when it comes to Islamic Kurds. So I doubt that he's a Yezedi.

Anyway, the Jews are far superior to the Kurds and Persians. Modern history kinda shows that. Look at the success of Jews and look at Kurds. Jealousy and denial is very strong in this one.  :mrgreen:

And Lol, the idea that "Aryan" and "Semite" are races. Never knew that language families show up in your blood. Little did this guy know that Nazis would see Kurds, Assyrians, Arabs and Persians as one "dark" Middle Eastern race. Heck, if Kurds and Persians were in Germany in 1940s, Hitler would've killed them for not possessing Aryan features. :lol:
Semitic Jews are overrated. They are not as smart as they pretend to be. Jews are nothing but Semitic monkeys. Jealous of Jews, don't make me laugh. I would rather be reborn as a pig than as a Semitic Jew.

Why should I be jealous of Semitic nigg@s?

When Kurds & Persians build empires, the Jews lived like nigga rats in a desert. The concept of 1 GOD, the monotheism is from the Aryans. The Jews know that Aryans are much more superior to them.


It is actually the Jews who are jealous at the Kurds. And Kurds don't even have an independent country. Jews know that Aryan Kurds and Aryan Persians are far superior to the Jews/Semites. If Jews are affraid of us. If the Jews were not jealous at the Aryans, there would never be partners of Turkey, Saudi Arabia and would never establish/support Daesh. It was the Jews who brought the war into Kurdistan. If they were not jealous at Kurds they would Kurds let alone.


What is you concept of history? 1 year, 10 years, 100 years or 7000 years. The history of the Aryans is at least 7000 years old. It is the Jews who are trying to prevent the progress of the Aryans


The Jews are nothing but Semitic ****** monkeys who trying to push their policies by hiding behind Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Daesh backs. The Semites will never defeat the Aryans.

To hell with the Aryan-wannabe Hitler. It is not my problem he had some kind of fetish of the history of the real Aryans. A lot of people are obsesed by our Aryan history of the Medes & Persians, not only Hitler. Kurds and Persians are true Aryans. It is not because of our Aryan language, and it is not only proven by our Aryan culture (music, literature etc.), history, but also by our Aryan DNA. Iranian (Aryan) DNA is very distinguish from the Semites and Mongloid Turks. While the DNA of the Kurds (Medes) & Persians are almost similar to each other, because Kurds (Medes) & Persians share the same ancestors and the same history.


The Jews are f*cked if they try to attack the Aryans, children of the ancient Medes & ancient Persians


Here is the oracle speaking:

When Persians get threatened and maybe if Persians will be attacked by the Jews, Iran will become very weak and it will be broken in pieces. To prevent this, the Persians will officialy (at the UN) recognise the independent Kurdish state and together with 50 million Kurds, the Persians will defeat our common enemies, the Semites and Mongoloid Turks.



No matter what, and how our enemies are playing their game. They are the losers. No matter what they do, they lose. Nobody in this wolrd is able to stop the Aryans. It's our destiny to become glorious again.


It is up to the Assyrians to choose between Sunni Muslim Turks, Sunni Muslim Arab Semites and the Jews on one side or between the Aryans on the other side. All I know is that Turks, Semitic Sunni Muslim Arabs & Jews will never give anything to the Assyrians. Sunni Muslims already destroyed the Assyrians/Christians in the Middle East. Without the Aryans the would be no Assyrian left. The whole Middle East would be Arabic/Semtic. It is the Aryan Persians and Kurds who keep the Middle East in balance and prevent the Semitic Sunni Arabs/Jews to be dominant in the Middle East.


Daesh = Semitic Sunni Arab nigg@s = failed Sunni terrorist state state Turkey = Israel ====> anti-Christ.


No matter what this axis of evil will be defeated by the Aryans.


So join the winners, join the Aryans!
« Last Edit: February 13, 2017, 10:11:12 PM by Ezidi Kurd »

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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2017, 10:22:15 PM »
Without Great Kurdistan there will NEVER be an Assyrian state. Arabs, Jews and Turks will NEVER give the Assyrians anything. For the Sunni Muslims Assyrians don't exist. The key to the Assyrian state is Great Kurdistan, period! Aryans will give Assyrians their regions back.

No they won't. Don't push your propaganda and falsehoods here.
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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2017, 10:40:19 PM »
No they won't. Don't push your propaganda and falsehoods here.
If you think of areas like Shengal, Shexan or Lalish, then of course the Aryans will never abandon those historic Aryan areas and give it to others. But if you negotiate with the Aryans, I'm sure that the Nineveh plains and some other areas will be given back to the Assyrians

You can even try to get your regions below Mosul back, with the help of the Aryans.


Do you really think that Sunni Muslim Turks and Sunni Muslim Arabs are better than Aryans? Daesh is Sunni Muslim. You forgot what Daesh did to the Christians? Semitic Jews don't care about the Christians. Jews HATE Chrisitans. Jews killed Jesus. If you think that Jews will help Assyrians, well think again, it will never happen. The Jews never helped Christians. Jews hate Christians more than Muslims.

The Jews made DAESH to kill Assyrian Christians.


What would happen to the Christian Assyrians in the Middle East if there would be no Kurds. ALL Assyrians would be Arabs now, never forget that!


The only chance for the Assyrians are the Aryans. Step by step, step by step, step by step. Kurds are a bigger problem in the world. Aryan Kurds will get their own recognition back. Assyrian state is only possible, AFTER Great Kuridstan is established
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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2017, 10:49:19 PM »
By working together with the Aryans, I don't mean Islamic Sunni terrorist genocidal maniac Barzani and his kind. He wants to be a Turk.

Barzani is a traitor. He is not a Kurd, or an Aryan. He is a genocidal Sunni Muslim terrorist. He and his people will be punished for his betrayal!


PKK are the real Kurds, the real Aryan Kurdish community.


Assyrians should also getting closer to the Persian regime and forming a block against Semitic Sunni Muslim Arabs, Mongoloid Turks, Israel (Jews) and Daesh. Persians are on the right side of history. Or do you think that huge countries like China and India with HUGE populations like Sunni Islam.

Sunni Islam is also enemies of China and India! China is Buddha and India is Hindu, India is the biggest enemy of Sunni Muslim Pakistan.

China Population = 1,386,000,000+   : http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/china-population/
India Population = 1,336,600,000+    : http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/india-population/

Do you think Sunni Islam, Pakistan, Turkey, Jews/Israel can defeat China and India???


Aryans are not alone, whe have our huge allies. We don't need such a small population of the Assyrians. It is the Assyrians who need the Aryans.


Also, there are at least 235 million Aryan people on this planet. Kurds and Persians are 2 biggest nations of the Aryans. Persians = 85 million & Kurdish population = 50 million.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2017, 11:06:23 PM by Ezidi Kurd »

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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2017, 12:50:21 AM »
Is this really coming from a so called "Assyrian Nationalist" who is defending Iranian muslims over your own people(not that you truly are) even though they massacred us and they would throw you off a rooftop? And I try not to give you too much attention but now you tried to distort history. Needless to say you failed as usual, with your biggest obstacle being your abhorrent english grammar and intellect-level.

First off, you did not even provide a source for that quote. It shows no further context which is crucial and that is why I exposed your copy and paste jobs. You deliberately tried to make it look like Assyrians were out attacking poor Persians while the patriach was telling them not to, that is how idiotic you've been in this thread.

While I've shown my sources that show Persians massacred Assyrians in many major cities in Iran and the reasoning was the same as the one that the Kurds and Turks used. Which is why Assyrian militias lead by Agha Petros were in many armed conflicts to try to stop the genocide while the patriach was trying to make peace with the Ottoman and Persian goverments, the latter being the same who arranged his assasination and of 100 other bodyguards. That is why there might have been some disagreements between Mar Shimon and Petros, but it has nothing to do with whatever lies you tried to claim.

Both Turks AND Persians were doing the killing in Persian lands. This has been proven already, your love for muslim persians isn't enough to refute this.

"There are" not "they are". And thanks for repeating my point.

This is what I mean, what are you even trying to say here?  :lol: You are all over the place and extremely incoherent. Re-read that part again, do you even understand what you're saying yourself? I'm seriously laughing at the random incoherence.

This was the big response that I was supposed to answer all this time? lol you're still under the juvenile impression that whoever has the last reply in a thread must always be right which is adorable yet sad.

I was not defending Iranian Muslims, I was just looking at the facts and you did not give any facts on Iranian Muslims massacring Assyrians during the seyfo, just because I don't agree with what evidence you have given me doesn't mean you call me an "Iranian Muslim lover". So sad with your insecurities of being Aramean from Mardin, I was waiting for your reply because you accused me of being an Iranian Muslim lover which is yet again another false label you like to give to people who don't agree with you because of the lack of evidence. That's the mentality of a Muslim right their, you act like one and have the same beliefs as one. Also I did not, you are putting words into my mouth that I did not say, now that Ashoor banned you for your homophobia now you want to move on to the next agenda that I'm Anti-Assyrian and like Muslims, you're such a sore loser.

Assyrian Patriarch did defend on the case of "keeping the peace" by not refuting against the Ottomans, that's the fu.ck up.

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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2017, 07:21:08 AM »
Still no source.

I was not defending Iranian Muslims, I was just looking at the facts


You denied that persians were also in on the seyfo despite the evidence, then claimed the Assyrians who were defending themselves against the massacres all over north Iran were in the wrong for not dropping weapons(which would have meant certain death). Yes you were defending Iranian muslims which is hilarious considering that they would throw you off of a rooftop in a second.

I'll post another source:
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a convoy of 253,000 Assyrians fled from the city of Urmia, marching on foot in the summer of 1918, covering a distance of 900 kilometers towards the Iranian mountains and plains heading to Hamadan in the south where the British were settled. During that journey 85,000 Assyrian women and children were killed by Turkish, Kurdish and Iranian attacks while another 15,000 were killed as their convoy headed to the north, towards Russia and Georgia7

Shklovski, Victor, "A sentimental Journey, memories of 1917-1922" -- Ed. 1924, Dalkey Archive Press, p: 109
http://www.aina.org/releases/20111010102607.htm

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Assyrian Patriarch did defend on the case of "keeping the peace" by not refuting against the Ottomans, that's the fu.ck up.


Some more brilliant grammar on display here. Again you are barely comprehensible. Not refuting the Ottomans? Defend ON the case of peace keeping? What? This is getting sad.

But really, did you think that nobody would notice what you tried to do earlier? You cut out a quote from Shimon out of context, and then to keep me from seeing the full context of the quote you did not post a link to the source. Because you know your propaganda attempt in this thread would get picked apart even further so you want to save some face.

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and you did not give any facts on Iranian Muslims massacring Assyrians during the seyfo, just because I don't agree with what evidence you have given me doesn't mean you call me an "Iranian Muslim lover".


Basicely "if you prove me wrong I will still not accept it". Got it. Next time you try to distort history on here again, expect me to put you and your nonsense in your place again.

Btw, I love how in this display of idiocy on your part, your friend the Ezidi kurd shows up showing the same level of intellect by hating semites while asking another semitic group of people to "join" his mental asylum. Is it a coincidence that the two posters with the lowest intelligence level here would find eachother like this? Lol I think not. Maybe combined you can reach the threshold for lower end of the average IQ.

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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2017, 02:23:49 PM »
Ezidi, you are an absolute nut case.

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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2017, 05:52:45 PM »
Ezidi, you are an absolute nut case.

out of 30 million Kurds, why are you surprised? There's always that ONE person... Have you decided to give up Islam yet?
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« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2017, 12:58:49 AM »
Still no source.

You denied that persians were also in on the seyfo despite the evidence, then claimed the Assyrians who were defending themselves against the massacres all over north Iran were in the wrong for not dropping weapons(which would have meant certain death). Yes you were defending Iranian muslims which is hilarious considering that they would throw you off of a rooftop in a second.

I'll post another source:Shklovski, Victor, "A sentimental Journey, memories of 1917-1922" -- Ed. 1924, Dalkey Archive Press, p: 109
http://www.aina.org/releases/20111010102607.htm

Some more brilliant grammar on display here. Again you are barely comprehensible. Not refuting the Ottomans? Defend ON the case of peace keeping? What? This is getting sad.

But really, did you think that nobody would notice what you tried to do earlier? You cut out a quote from Shimon out of context, and then to keep me from seeing the full context of the quote you did not post a link to the source. Because you know your propaganda attempt in this thread would get picked apart even further so you want to save some face.

Basicely "if you prove me wrong I will still not accept it". Got it. Next time you try to distort history on here again, expect me to put you and your nonsense in your place again.

Btw, I love how in this display of idiocy on your part, your friend the Ezidi kurd shows up showing the same level of intellect by hating semites while asking another semitic group of people to "join" his mental asylum. Is it a coincidence that the two posters with the lowest intelligence level here would find eachother like this? Lol I think not. Maybe combined you can reach the threshold for lower end of the average IQ.


You're just insulting and I gave you the evidence from the start, just go ahead and keep insulting me as this is the only case you have against me. Real cute habbibii.

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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2017, 08:35:57 AM »
Ezidi, you are an absolute nut case.
Hey f*cking Sunni Muslim genocidal Daesh terrorist,

The difference is that I’m a real Kurd and I do care about the real Kurds (Aryans) from all parts of Kurdistan. I LOVE all parts of Kurdistan.
You are a mongrel. You said by yourself that you are mixed and that you have Semitic roots. That’s why you are a retard and a traitor. You don’t care about the real Kurds from Bakur, Rojhelat and Rojava. In Kurdistan we don’t traitors like you. Your nation is Sunni Islam, and you don’t belong to a Kurdish nation.

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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2017, 08:42:35 AM »
Btw, I love how in this display of idiocy on your part, your friend the Ezidi kurd shows up showing the same level of intellect by hating semites while asking another semitic group of people to "join" his mental asylum. Is it a coincidence that the two posters with the lowest intelligence level here would find eachother like this? Lol I think not. Maybe combined you can reach the threshold for lower end of the average IQ.
How old ae you? Your knowledge is very low.

In general, I don't like Semites and Mongoloid TUrks and I don't want them near me. They are enemies of my Aryan race.


You don't know what you are talking about. Maybe you should join Deash and other genocidal Sunni Muslim Semitic Arab terrorists? Assad is a Semitic Arab and he is an ally of Iran. Some militias in Lebanon are Semtic and they are allies of Iran. Etc.


The sooner you open your eyes and realise that Israel and the Jews are your enemies, the sooner you will improve your situation in your homeland.

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« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2017, 10:56:34 AM »
Hey f*cking Sunni Muslim genocidal Daesh terrorist,

The difference is that I’m a real Kurd and I do care about the real Kurds (Aryans) from all parts of Kurdistan. I LOVE all parts of Kurdistan.
You are a mongrel. You said by yourself that you are mixed and that you have Semitic roots. That’s why you are a retard and a traitor. You don’t care about the real Kurds from Bakur, Rojhelat and Rojava. In Kurdistan we don’t traitors like you. Your nation is Sunni Islam, and you don’t belong to a Kurdish nation.

You have semitic roots, that is why you are a retard and a traitor?
 Do you really believe that there is a connection between semitic roots people and retard, traitor? if yes it says a lot about you lol

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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2017, 07:26:11 PM »
You have semitic roots, that is why you are a retard and a traitor?
 Do you really believe that there is a connection between semitic roots people and retard, traitor? if yes it says a lot about you lol
No, he is a Sunni Muslim Barzani the midget worshiping Turk lover. He loves Erdogan more than his own mother, let alone Northern Kurds (PKK).

Mark my words, Barzani will be taken to the criminal court for his evolvement in the Ezdi Genocide of 3/8/2014. Barzani will be hanged by his balls. And traitors and anybody who supported Barzani will be punished, there will be no place for them in Kurdistan. We will show no mercy to the traitors.

Sooner or later there will be a vendeta Kurdish style in the whole Kurdistan. We are going to clean our house from the filth...
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« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2017, 01:54:51 AM »
Semitic Jews are overrated. They are not as smart as they pretend to be. Jews are nothing but Semitic monkeys. Jealous of Jews, don't make me laugh. I would rather be reborn as a pig than as a Semitic Jew.

Why should I be jealous of Semitic nigg@s?
Technically, you still belong to the same race of Jews, Arabs, Armenians and other Middle Easterners from or around Mesopotamia and eastern Turkey. Didn't you forget that you're from the Middle East? You're only ethnically and linguistically Aryan or Indo-Iranian. But your racial makeup is almost homogeneous to theirs. Didn't you display your DNA test result here? You were mostly Caucasian, reasonably Middle Eastern and a little bit of South Asian. Almost like a Jew and an Assyrian, except that we won't have South Asian (but rather Italy/Greece and perhaps North Africa). It's a continuum - Kurds and Persians will have traces of south Asian and Central Asian, whilst those to the far west would have small amounts of Southern Europe and even North Africa.

Again, why classify races by language families? So the Caucasus people are all racially distinct because they have three language families there (northwest and northeast Caucasian languages, and Kartvellian)? And not all Turks are Mongoloids. Do you realize that Anatolia is in Asia/southern Europe and not in eastern Asia? Sure, some have mixed with Mongoloids, but there are many Turks with native Anatolian ancestry. Most even look Mediterranean/Middle Eastern. They speak Turkic, but they look Middle Eastern, Mediterranean and even Slavic.

I compared you to Nazis and Hitler because you use "Semitic" as if it's an insult. They're the ones who started it that way. It's just pathetic that you must mimic it. Nazi Germany hated Jews because they were Middle Eastern and had dark features. Like you and I. So Hitler superficially went with "Semitic" to describe such features, because they spoke a Semitic language and were the only Semites there. If Kurds or Persians were in Germany instead, and the Nazis had a problem with them, they would've also "insulted" them by their ethnic name (i.e. "Iranian/Iranic Asian Lizard"), I assure you.

Like "Caucasian", "Semitic" is another term erroneously used to mean a "race". "Caucasian" is broadly used for every European, when most Europeans don't have ties to the Caucasus, and, ironically, parts of the Caucasus is in Asia, and many true Caucasians don't even have blue eyes and blonde hair.

P.S. Be proud of your Aryan ethnicity. But don't be so bold by calling it a race when it isn't. It's as silly as those ultra nationalistic Jews who go like "proud of my Jewish race". Even the most patriotic Assyrians don't go like "I'm of the Assyrian race". Btw, you would laugh if you see Nigerians calling their ethnicity a separate race than their neighbours, no? Lol
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Re: Another Controversial Idea: Alliance with Iran?
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2017, 07:53:10 AM »
Technically, you still belong to the same race of Jews, Arabs, Armenians and other Middle Easterners from or around Mesopotamia and eastern Turkey. Didn't you forget that you're from the Middle East? You're only ethnically and linguistically Aryan or Indo-Iranian. But your racial makeup is almost homogeneous to theirs. Didn't you display your DNA test result here? You were mostly Caucasian, reasonably Middle Eastern and a little bit of South Asian. Almost like a Jew and an Assyrian, except that we won't have South Asian (but rather Italy/Greece and perhaps North Africa). It's a continuum - Kurds and Persians will have traces of south Asian and Central Asian, whilst those to the far west would have small amounts of Southern Europe and even North Africa.
No, technically speaking Kurds belong to a distinctive Aryan race. Kurds belong to an Irano-Afghan race. Middle East is very diverse.

Kurds are mostly a mixture between the Neolithic Eastern Anatolians (Northern Mesopotamians) and Neolitic Iranian Plateau people. Aryans are more related to the ancient people of the Iranian Plateau than all other 'Middle Easterns'. What makes Aryan Kurds Aryan is their huge connection to the ancient Neolithic Iranian Plateau (Zagros) farmers.


Kurds are native to their mountainious homeland. Kurdish race was born in the Zagros Mountains, while Semitic race was born in the desert. Semites and Aryans are very different species...
« Last Edit: February 18, 2017, 07:58:31 AM by Ezidi Kurd »

 

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