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https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/24/iraq-paramilitaries-battle-kurds-in-push-towards-turkish-border-oil-hub.html


Iraqi pro-government paramilitaries launched an offensive against Kurdish troops on Tuesday near the Turkish frontier, pushing towards a strategic border crossing and oil export pipeline hub that Baghdad says must come under its control.

The Iraqi government has transformed the balance of power in the north of the country since launching a campaign last week to seize back territory from the Kurds, who govern an autonomous region of three northern provinces and had also seized a swathe of other territory in northern Iraq.

The Kurds held a referendum on independence last month that Baghdad called illegal. Baghdad responded by seizing back the city of Kirkuk, the oil-producing areas around it, and other territory that the Kurds had captured from Islamic State.

Prime Minister Haidar Abadi has ordered his army to recapture all disputed territory, and has also demanded central control of Iraq's border crossings with Turkey, all of which are inside the Kurdish autonomous region itself.

A Kurdish official said Kurdish security forces known as Peshmerga had successfully beaten back an advance by Iranian-backed pro-government paramilitaries in the region of Rabi'a, 40 kilometers (25 miles) south of the Fish-Khabur border area.

Fish-Khabur is strategically vital because oil from both Kurdish and government-held parts of northern Iraq cross at a pipeline there into Turkey, the main route out of the area for international export, crucial for any Kurdish independence bid.

The fighting so far has taken place outside the Kurdish autonomous region, but Fish-Khabur is located within it, so any assault on the border crossing would mark a major escalation, bringing government troops into undisputed Kurdish territory.

An Iraqi military spokesman denied there had been any clashes in the area. But an Iraqi security source in Baghdad and a rights activist in northwest Iraq said the confrontation had started at dawn and was still going on by midday.

"Peshmerga repelled the attack and pushed Popular Mobilisation back in to Rabi'a," tweeted KRG President Masoud Barzani's media advisor, Hemin Hawrami. A military spokesman in Baghdad said in response: "There are no clashes."

The fighting between the central government and the Kurds is particularly tricky for the United States which is close allies of both sides, arming and training both the Kurds and the central government's army to fight against Islamic State.

U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson visited Baghdad this week, but Abadi rebuffed his call for Iraq to reject the role of Iran-backed Shi'ite paramilitaries that fight alongside government troops and have taken a hard line on the Kurds.

On Monday, an official of the Kurdistan Regional Government's (KRG) security council said Iraqi government forces and Iranian-backed Popular Mobilisation paramilitaries were deploying tanks and artillery in Rabi'a, northwest of Mosul.

An Iraqi government security advisor said on Monday Baghdad aimed to bring the three-way border crossing with Turkey and Syria at Fish-Khabur under its control, but he declined to say if a military move was being prepared.

The Syrian side of the border there is under the control of U.S.-backed Syrian Kurdish forces.
The Fish-Khabur crossing has been under effective Kurdish control since 1991, when the United States and western powers imposed a no-fly zone over northern Iraq to protect the Kurds from Saddam Hussein's army.

The Iraqi government's advance over the past week has been achieved with comparatively little violence, with Kurds mostly withdrawing without a fight.

Nevertheless, Amnesty International reported that at least 11 civilians were killed and tens of thousands displaced from Kurdish areas of Tuz Khurmato, a town south of Kirkuk. It said images, videos, photos and dozens of testimonies indicated that hundreds of properties had been looted in a rampage targeting Kurdish parts of the ethnically mixed town.



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Re: Iraq paramilitaries battle Kurds in push towards Turkish border oil hub
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2017, 04:44:16 PM »
Kurdish Peshmerga Beat Back Iran-backed Iraqi Militia in Strategically Vital Victory

Peshmerga had successfully beaten back an advance by Iranian-backed pro-government paramilitaries in the region of Rabi'a



read more: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/1.818851?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
that's one battle out of an entire war.

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Re: Iraq paramilitaries battle Kurds in push towards Turkish border oil hub
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2017, 09:58:41 AM »
Say Hello to another 100 years of Darkness :)

Everyone is ****ed with Iranian backed militia taking over entire iraq including kurdistan  . It is clear now that kurds have been completely abandoned by the international community including USA . Iran's influence goes now from Tehran to Baghdad to Demoscus and all the way to Lebanon with Zero opposition .

I guess the Assyrian dream of establishing an autonomous christian region is in full spring now .:) 

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Re: Iraq paramilitaries battle Kurds in push towards Turkish border oil hub
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2017, 09:58:41 AM »

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Re: Iraq paramilitaries battle Kurds in push towards Turkish border oil hub
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2017, 05:53:22 PM »
I guess the Assyrian dream of establishing an autonomous christian region is in full spring now .:) 

you mean the Assyrian-Yazidi-Shabaki region?

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Re: Iraq paramilitaries battle Kurds in push towards Turkish border oil hub
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2017, 09:14:43 PM »
Better Persians than disgusting Sunni Muslim Mongoloid Turanid subhuman Turks. I will never forget when Sunni Muslim Kurds in Hewler were celebrating independence referendum with Turkish flags. Sunni Muslim Kurds are the worst DAESH ever.

As long there will be Islam in Kurdistan,  there will never be independent Kurdistan. Islam and Kurdistan don't go together.

To have free Kurdistan, Islam must be finished big time. And that will happen. We will defeat Islam in Kurdistan. There is no future for Islam in Kurdistan


At least Persians are Aryans and Aryan at last are going to rule the Middle East again.

Personally I hope that Persians will nuke Israel as soon as possible. And believe me, Persians will do it 100%. Can't wait. I don't lie, I will the first who will celebrate it. I hope they will first nuke Jerusalem and then Tel Aviv.




But it also works the other way around Ezidi. If it wasn't for Islam, you'd probably be in the same position we Assyrians are in...

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Re: Iraq paramilitaries battle Kurds in push towards Turkish border oil hub
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2017, 10:03:28 AM »
you mean the Assyrian-Yazidi-Shabaki region?

Go hold assyrian flag and tell Hashad alshabi you want autonomy lol . We all assyrian and kurds and other minorities had it good in Kurdistan , but now it is over and i believe the biggest losers will be assyrian .

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Re: Iraq paramilitaries battle Kurds in push towards Turkish border oil hub
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2017, 01:37:03 PM »
Go hold assyrian flag and tell Hashad alshabi you want autonomy lol . We all assyrian and kurds and other minorities had it good in Kurdistan , but now it is over and i believe the biggest losers will be assyrian .
Judging by such a stupid statement, we're Jews to you... You treat us like we have this magic power that only Kurds are allowed to have and you'll kill us if we don't give this alleged magic power.

We ain't your dhimmi.

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Re: Iraq paramilitaries battle Kurds in push towards Turkish border oil hub
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2017, 03:48:57 PM »
Huh? What do you mean. Muslims committed 74 GENOCIDES on Ezdi Kurds/Real Kurds.

Muslims see Ezdi Kurds more as their enemies and accept Christians much more...


whoops, let me correct myself. What I meant to say was that if Kurds didn't convert to Islam, you guys would be as small a minority as Assyrians.

Secondly, Muslims don't accept anybody who's not Muslim, so no they don't accept us. Tolerating is not the same as accepting...

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Re: Iraq paramilitaries battle Kurds in push towards Turkish border oil hub
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2017, 04:24:54 PM »
A normal human being just cant understand how deep the hatred of Muslims is against the Real Kurds/Ezdi Kurds. For Muslims (Sunni +Shia), Christians & Jews are saint people compared to my Ezdi people.

Those muslims allah/satan worshipper consider my people as devil worshippers. But actually the real devil worshippers are the muslim antichrists

Well ezidi, if that's truly how you feel then, this is the chance. Nineveh plains will become an Assyrian, Yazidi, and Shabak ruled autonomous region.

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Re: Iraq paramilitaries battle Kurds in push towards Turkish border oil hub
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2017, 01:38:37 AM »
To be honest, I am sure that te future of the Ezdi Kurds is identical to the future of other Kurds.

Ezdi Kurds are the REAL, pure Kurds and without my people Kurdish nation will never be a Kurdish nation. It is the Ezdi Kurds that make a Kurdish nation Kurdsh.


Very simple, our future is Great Kurdistan and Ezdixan is part of Great Kurdistan and always will be part of Great Kurdistan

That was a really depressing timeline, are they any accounts of revenge killings against Muslims?

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Re: Iraq paramilitaries battle Kurds in push towards Turkish border oil hub
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2017, 04:13:28 AM »
To be honest, I am sure that te future of the Ezdi Kurds is identical to the future of other Kurds.

Ezdi Kurds are the REAL, pure Kurds and without my people Kurdish nation will never be a Kurdish nation. It is the Ezdi Kurds that make a Kurdish nation Kurdsh.


Very simple, our future is Great Kurdistan and Ezdixan is part of Great Kurdistan and always will be part of Great Kurdistan

then wouldn't it make more sense to support Nineveh Plains being its own autonomous region? the vast majority of Yazidis will be there.

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Re: Iraq paramilitaries battle Kurds in push towards Turkish border oil hub
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2017, 07:40:11 AM »
Judging by such a stupid statement, we're Jews to you... You treat us like we have this magic power that only Kurds are allowed to have and you'll kill us if we don't give this alleged magic power.

We ain't your dhimmi.

Never said that nor did i even insinuated that . You have a chip over your shoulder .

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Re: Iraq paramilitaries battle Kurds in push towards Turkish border oil hub
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2017, 11:54:59 AM »
Never said that nor did i even insinuated that . You have a chip over your shoulder .

I'm the one with the chip over my shoulder when you're telling us to join you as if you're entitled to everybody's support. Or are you going to espouse more "you're either with us or against us?" B.S. like the rest of the Middle East?

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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2017, 10:08:49 AM »
I'm the one with the chip over my shoulder when you're telling us to join you as if you're entitled to everybody's support. Or are you going to espouse more "you're either with us or against us?" B.S. like the rest of the Middle East?

Never said that either and i will dare you to show me  .

The truth hurts and i promise you No assyrian will dare to even talk about Assyrian autonomy  with shias  and the assyrian flag will be back to the closet .

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Re: Iraq paramilitaries battle Kurds in push towards Turkish border oil hub
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2017, 07:56:55 PM »
Never said that either and i will dare you to show me  .

The truth hurts and i promise you No assyrian will dare to even talk about Assyrian autonomy  with shias  and the assyrian flag will be back to the closet .

your comment sounds like "if I can't have it, you can't either!".

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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2017, 10:31:35 AM »
your comment sounds like "if I can't have it, you can't either!".

Not at all , but you would not dare to ask Baghdad for autonomy . Go ask baghdad for ninavah plain and they will mop the floor with you :) .

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Re: Iraq paramilitaries battle Kurds in push towards Turkish border oil hub
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2017, 10:35:23 AM »
Not at all , but you would not dare to ask Baghdad for autonomy . Go ask baghdad for ninavah plain and they will mop the floor with you :) .

That also makes me ask: If the KRG planned to give Assyrians their own region within the KRG, why wasn't that done before ISIS was ever an issue?
Secondly, why does the entire Nineveh Plains need to be incorporated to make a region for Assyrians?

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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2017, 10:52:52 AM »
That also makes me ask: If the KRG planned to give Assyrians their own region within the KRG, why wasn't that done before ISIS was ever an issue?
Secondly, why does the entire Nineveh Plains need to be incorporated to make a region for Assyrians?

Simple , You were against it and openly called for united iraq and completly refused the establishment of any Assyrian entity  . Assyrian political parties Never ever formerly asked for an assyrian region within iraq or Kurdistan period . Not once . Political parties in middle east is a family business and Assyrian political parties would have lost money if they had followed the aspiration of assyrian . They sell you stories and the young and stupid believe it .

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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2017, 12:35:29 PM »
Simple , You were against it and openly called for united iraq and completly refused the establishment of any Assyrian entity  . Assyrian political parties Never ever formerly asked for an assyrian region within iraq or Kurdistan period . Not once . Political parties in middle east is a family business and Assyrian political parties would have lost money if they had followed the aspiration of assyrian . They sell you stories and the young and stupid believe it .

That makes even less sense, what about the pro-KRG Assyrians that were asking for a region in the KRG? The KRG itself was talking about that...

"Assyrian political parties Never ever formerly asked for an assyrian region within iraq or Kurdistan period"
That is a flat out lie, now you really are trolling.

Secondly, do you even follow (or care) on about Assyrian politics? I doubt it.

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Re: Iraq paramilitaries battle Kurds in push towards Turkish border oil hub
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2017, 07:56:39 AM »
That makes even less sense, what about the pro-KRG Assyrians that were asking for a region in the KRG? The KRG itself was talking about that...

They talk about it to fool assyrian , but never ever put in a formal request neither in bagdad nor in Arbil  .like i said , political parties are family bussiness in middle east and has nothing to do with people's aspiration .

That is a flat out lie, now you really are trolling.
Show me a single formal request in KRG parliament or Baghdad .


Secondly, do you even follow (or care) on about Assyrian politics? I doubt it.
how is that relevant to what i said . Show me a fromal request by any assyrian party requesting autonomy or self administration . In fact they openly opposed the idea .


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Re: Iraq paramilitaries battle Kurds in push towards Turkish border oil hub
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2017, 05:59:22 PM »
like i said , political parties are family bussiness in middle east and has nothing to do with people's aspiration .

That's natural. Many stable countries have an elite, even the USA and your country of Canada has an elite.
What matters is how the elite treats and leads society.


They talk about it to fool assyrian , but never ever put in a formal request neither in bagdad nor in Arbil.

Can I ask how you would even know this? Are you Asayish or have family in Asayish?
Because that's not something a random Kurd like you would just HAPPEN to know... Which makes me doubt whether that's true or not.

Secondly, whether you like it or not, forget about the Nineveh Plains being part of Kurdistan.

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« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2017, 10:11:08 AM »
That's natural. Many stable countries have an elite, even the USA and your country of Canada has an elite.
What matters is how the elite treats and leads society.

There is a difference between established countries and a nation's aspiration to self rule and you should know better than making this non sens comparison . Assyrian political parties have nothing to do with Assyrian aspirations as a nation . The Assyrian aspirations are mere tool in the hand  few to get rich , so they swing like a seesaw to keep the money flowing to their bank accounts . They do not dare to even fill a form and submitted to Baghdad or Arbil parliament requesting self rule even in a village  , because that would disturb the flow of money to their pockets  .

Can I ask how you would even know this? Are you Asayish or have family in Asayish?
Because that's not something a random Kurd like you would just HAPPEN to know... Which makes me doubt whether that's true or not.

Secondly, whether you like it or not, forget about the Nineveh Plains being part of Kurdistan.
are you serious  :loool: ? it is actually common knowledge and i'm surprised you are surprised considering you are Assyrian and your leaders would not deny that even today if you ask them .

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« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2017, 12:19:22 PM »
are you serious  :loool: ? it is actually common knowledge and i'm surprised you are surprised considering you are Assyrian and your leaders would not deny that even today if you ask them .

I won't deny that we have bad apples, nobody's perfect.
My point is that I doubt EVERY individual politician is in it just for the money.
Not a single one joined because they were interested in making a difference at all?

You're telling me that every single Kurd politician that's part of a political family is in it just for the money? I doubt that as well.

Perhaps I'm too much of an optimist and that it's fogging up my eyes from really seeing what's going on
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Re: Iraq paramilitaries battle Kurds in push towards Turkish border oil hub
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2017, 10:39:38 AM »
I won't deny that we have bad apples, nobody's perfect.
My point is that I doubt EVERY individual politician is in it just for the money.
Not a single one joined because they were interested in making a difference at all?

You're telling me that every single Kurd politician that's part of a political family is in it just for the money? I doubt that as well.

Perhaps I'm too much of an optimist and that it's fogging up my eyes from really seeing what's going on

The average assyrian or kurd is certainly for the establishment of their respective countries and i have zero doubt about that , but i swear to you we are all just a commodity being sold to highest bet by our own political parties . Ask yourself this What did Kurdistan Christian Unity or Assyrian Democratic Movement or Democratic Christians.Kaldo-Ashur for example achieved so far in practice for the last 13 years ? All they have done is appease Baghdad and appease KRG to draw money from both side and what did you get ? Not only you did not get anything they also ask for donations from assyrian abroad to support their life style  . In Baghdad they openly say we are iraqis and against , yes against the establishment of Assyrian entity . In kurdistan they are kurdistanis and in Detroit they are assyrian to collect donation that assyrian supposedly badly need and 90% of it goes to their pocket . They will however send you a picture of a church or a school built by KRG/Baghdad/ CARE US  . If you doubt what i say ask assyrian in iraq or kurdistan what they have got so far  .

Kurdish political parties are no better and they are all in it for their own benefits and glory and the recent events in kirkuk are clear evidence of  that .
 

   
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Re: Iraq paramilitaries battle Kurds in push towards Turkish border oil hub
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2017, 02:23:41 PM »
The average assyrian or kurd is certainly for the establishment of their respective countries and i have zero doubt about that , but i swear to you we are all just a commodity being sold to highest bet by our own political parties . Ask yourself this What did Kurdistan Christian Unity or Assyrian Democratic Movement or Democratic Christians.Kaldo-Ashur for example achieved so far in practice for the last 13 years ? All they have done is appease Baghdad and appease KRG to draw money from both side and what did you get ? Not only you did not get anything they also ask for donations from assyrian abroad to support their life style  . In Baghdad they openly say we are iraqis and against , yes against the establishment of Assyrian entity . In kurdistan they are kurdistanis and in Detroit they are assyrian to collect donation that assyrian supposedly badly need and 90% of it goes to their pocket . They will however send you a picture of a church or a school built by KRG/Baghdad/ CARE US  . If you doubt what i say ask assyrian in iraq or kurdistan what they have got so far  .

Kurdish political parties are no better and they are all in it for their own benefits and glory and the recent events in kirkuk are clear evidence of  that .

Well If I remember correct from Sargis Aghajans gloating, he built some new villages and repaired/renovated many old ones as well as upkeep on roads, churches, and schools.

Secondly, I could just weasel out this debate and go back to my usual argument of Middle Eastern/Islamic mentality.

I mean what else could explain it? Islamic economics reduces alot of Muslims into poverty or relative poverty, thus a desire for money or greed would grow amongst the population, each one wanting power and control for themselves at the expense of others.

Then there's the tribalism that's indirectly by Islam through the lack of real trust between Muslims thanks to greed, thievery, and power struggles. So naturally most Muslims would just stick to family because that's all they really have.

the combination of tribalism, greed, and power struggles has created a sort of "every man for himself" mentality.

This is ultimately why Jews of the Middle East were unable to do what emigrated Jews of Europe were able: Create Israel...

 

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