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What is a Nation ?
« on: November 02, 2009, 06:33:58 PM »
According to the book "The Right to Self-Dertimination of Nations" by Dr. Günter Decker we can define a Naion in 4 ways:

1. definition - objective criteria:

- connected territory
- same language
- same religion
- same culture
- same history
- same biological ancestry (race)
- same national consciousness
- same state

Mostly lacks one or more of these objective criteria, than there is the question, how big is the criterion and whether it´s still enough to define the nation.
This could be a problem if a nation wants to log out from an established state(s).
Than there is a need for ethnologists, historicans, cartographer and statisticians to solve this problem.


2. historical-political definition:
- Nearly the same like 1. definition - objective criteria.


3. definition - subjective criteria:

- The will of the people to be a nation

Every individual has the right to admit him/herself to a nation.
But the nation can´t be defined only by the will of individulas because of mood swings of (unqualified) individuals and than the inhabitans of a nation had to make every day or every year an election whether they are or belong to the nation or not.
The will must be in form of the result of elections in parliamentary units.


4. Combined definition:

A combination of objective and subjective criteria.
But this is only possible if the nation excludes primitive communities which have an ethnical commen ground but don´t have the will to a national existence.


See at all points, we Assyrians are a Nation, The Assyrian Nation.


Source: "The Right of Nations to Self-Determination" by Dr. Günter Decker
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The Rights of Assyrians -UN Declaration
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Re: What is a Nation ?
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2009, 09:20:45 AM »
Does the UN recognize subjective nations? lol
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Re: What is a Nation ?
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2009, 10:58:59 AM »
Of course, the USA is an example.
The Rights of Assyrians -UN Declaration
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhDtB12aA8I

The existence of the Assyrian Nation & Nationality is a fact
http://www.assyrianvoice.net/forum/index.php?topic=36862.0

̈I´m not interested in helping our ppl because I´m nationalistic, I´m interested because our ppl NEED help!

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Re: What is a Nation ?
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Re: What is a Nation ?
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2009, 02:08:52 PM »
seeems to cover pretty much everything...
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Re: What is a Nation ?
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2009, 04:43:25 PM »
In my books. A nation begins with people who share a common goal.
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Re: What is a Nation ?
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2009, 04:50:46 PM »
In my books. A nation begins with people who share a common goal.

That´s the same, it´s just an other interpretation.
Look at this:

1. definition - objective criteria:
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- same national consciousness
.

Or this:

3. definition - subjective criteria:

- The will of the people to be a nation
...
The Rights of Assyrians -UN Declaration
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhDtB12aA8I

The existence of the Assyrian Nation & Nationality is a fact
http://www.assyrianvoice.net/forum/index.php?topic=36862.0

̈I´m not interested in helping our ppl because I´m nationalistic, I´m interested because our ppl NEED help!

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Re: What is a Nation ?
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2009, 04:52:56 PM »
 :rockon: :thumbsup:
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Re: What is a Nation ?
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2009, 05:10:31 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation - "A nation is a body of people who share a real or imagined common history, culture, language or ethnic origin.[1]"

From Merriam Webster(www.m-w.com, the third definition) -3 :" a tribe or federation of tribes (as of American Indians)"

According to these two definitions, there IS an Assyrian nation even without a country. You're right, John.
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