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« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2006, 08:11:35 PM »
hey i just saw this topic! and i want to learn how to speak east assyrian or what we call surith here...how can i learn to speak it? any advice people? i can understand it but i cant speak it if that makes any senese!
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« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2006, 10:08:59 AM »
hey i just saw this topic! and i want to learn how to speak east assyrian or what we call surith here...how can i learn to speak it? any advice people? i can understand it but i cant speak it if that makes any senese!



The best thing to do is try to find someone who speaks east assyrian and try practising with him the east assyrian ... If you don't have people around you who can help you try to get someone on msn who is willing to help you with it (by mic)  :)

Maybe these sites can be usefull for you  ...

http://www.learnassyrian.com/
http://www.pe****ta.org/
http://www.assyrian-language.com/
http://www.assyrianlanguage.com/
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« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2006, 03:38:00 PM »
Shlomo Malfono Younan, hay darbo hat, ahuno?

Mun ko saymat?
"Why am I an Assyrian?  Because my parents were.  Additionally, I am an Assyrian because I feel it a sacred destiny to be one.  One is an Assyrian not only because of the accident of birth.  The will to be an Assyrian involves more than being the child of Assyrian parents."

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« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2006, 11:12:08 AM »
tob no, tawdi sagi habibtho Dlty01!  :mrgreen:

layko ozel hat yo? hat mun ko seimlakh adyomo? ono ko seimo lo mede, bass yatuwno al tizi kul yawmo. ono pies ghalabay. ee emarli hatho mun kit mun lit?!!

 :mrgreen:  (just about stretched my suryoyo vocab as much as i cud)....kulay tawdi lu (hul) shughlo tobo du Eanna. tawdi myaqartho Eanna, hlitho dithi!!  :bigarmhug:

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Yes.

 :lmao:  Sorry I got like, 60% of that.  All I can think to respond is "Alloho Raboyo, habibo".  Something about doing nothing, sitting on you a**.....hee hee.

 :lmao:

And "Tawdi".

Man I love Western Assyrian. 
"Why am I an Assyrian?  Because my parents were.  Additionally, I am an Assyrian because I feel it a sacred destiny to be one.  One is an Assyrian not only because of the accident of birth.  The will to be an Assyrian involves more than being the child of Assyrian parents."

 - David Barsum Perley

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« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2006, 01:41:42 PM »
OMG  younan you are raping the western dialect  :ban:.... If I were the admin I would bann you  :loool:


You know I said I wouldn't participate in this anymore because I am angry at you for not being active when I started this topic :beee:
But this was a very smart way to make me post in here ... I can't stand here and just look how you mix up these sentences  :loool:
 but it's very cute and you impressed me  :bigarmhug:

Yulla going to translate your text

tob no= I am fine
tawdi sagi habibtho Dlty01!= Thank you sweetheart Dlty01 ( I assume dlty is a female if not it had to be habibo)

layko ozel at yo? Layko ozel at= Where are you going

hat mun ko seimlakh adyomo?Not sure what you meant here? I can make two things out of this?
Hat mun ksaymat adyoma=What will you do today or
Hat mun sumlokh/sumlakh adyoma= What did you do today


ono ko seimo lo mede.. Again you mixed two things so it can be or

Ono sumlee lo mayday= I didn't do anything or Ono lo ksoyamno mayday= I will do nothing

bass yatuwno al tizi kul yawmo= This sentence is almost perfect lol Why am i not surprised  :loool:

Bass yatuwno 'al teze u yawmo kuleh= I only sat on my ass all day long

. ono pies ghalabay= I am very bad  :loool:

. ee emarli hatho mun kit mun lit?!!
Ay aymarlee hotho min kit mun layt? = Yes tell me sister what's up

Last sentence I won't translate  :blush2: bass you are welcome  :bigarmhug:

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« Reply #40 on: December 21, 2006, 09:40:16 AM »
Can someone translate me this?

shneeli min ghikh'ka 

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atin har too joo beeta ( i guess this means you go to your home?)
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« Reply #41 on: December 21, 2006, 11:09:32 AM »
Can someone translate me this?

shneeli min ghikh'ka 

 and

atin har too joo beeta ( i guess this means you go to your home?)

shneeli min ghikh'ka   = "I fainted from laughing" - or like we say in English, basically, I died laughing".

atin har too joo beeta = "Just keep sitting at home" - it is probably used sarcastically, like if someone kept talking about "Raising Atour" but didn't do anything other than write on forums all day, you might say "Atin har too joo beta".


"Why am I an Assyrian?  Because my parents were.  Additionally, I am an Assyrian because I feel it a sacred destiny to be one.  One is an Assyrian not only because of the accident of birth.  The will to be an Assyrian involves more than being the child of Assyrian parents."

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« Reply #42 on: December 21, 2006, 11:29:45 AM »
dtly01 basima raba  :bigarmhug:
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #43 on: December 22, 2006, 02:49:09 AM »
Can someone translate me this?

shneeli min ghikh'ka 

 and

atin har too joo beeta ( i guess this means you go to your home?)

LOL @ shneeli min ghikh'ka.

I didn't realise you wouldn't understand it when I said it, weela pakhta hatkha.

We mostly say "Goo" la "Joo" though.

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« Reply #44 on: December 22, 2006, 05:56:47 AM »
 :blush2: 


Someone translate me this  ...."weela pakhta hatkha" and how do you say "I don´t want" ?
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« Reply #45 on: December 22, 2006, 09:04:17 AM »
:blush2: 


Someone translate me this  ...."weela pakhta hatkha" and how do you say "I don´t want" ?

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww.............. :bigarmhug:

When something is "pakha/pakhta" it means it is salt-less.  Salem is saying his "shneelee min gikhka" was "salt-less", or had no "flavor", because you didn't understand it:  "Weela pakhta hatkha"  = "It became saltless like this".

I don't want for a female:  "Lay bayan".
"Why am I an Assyrian?  Because my parents were.  Additionally, I am an Assyrian because I feel it a sacred destiny to be one.  One is an Assyrian not only because of the accident of birth.  The will to be an Assyrian involves more than being the child of Assyrian parents."

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« Reply #46 on: December 22, 2006, 09:23:02 AM »
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww.............. :bigarmhug:

When something is "pakha/pakhta" it means it is salt-less.  Salem is saying his "shneelee min gikhka" was "salt-less", or had no "flavor", because you didn't understand it:  "Weela pakhta hatkha"  = "It became saltless like this".

I don't want for a female:  "Lay bayan".


Uffhht Salem is making me feel I never learn east  :sadangel:

Thanks again Dtly01 and again I want to say to you againMawlodo brekho, u'mro yarekho malyo h'ubo u fsheh'utho
Mawlodo breekho=happy birthday
u'mro yarikho= long life
malyo h'ubo = filled with love
u fsheh'uthho= and hapiness

I'm going to use this tread for all the eastern sentence which are used in AVN this way I might understand it better

Can someone translate me : I told you so   and You are crazy :)

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« Reply #47 on: December 22, 2006, 10:26:43 AM »

Uffhht Salem is making me feel I never learn east  :sadangel:

Thanks again Dtly01 and again I want to say to you againMawlodo brekho, u'mro yarekho malyo h'ubo u fsheh'utho
Mawlodo breekho=happy birthday
u'mro yarikho= long life
malyo h'ubo = filled with love
u fsheh'uthho= and hapiness

I'm going to use this tread for all the eastern sentence which are used in AVN this way I might understand it better

Can someone translate me : I told you so   and You are crazy :)



Awwww...thank you!!!

I like translating, and it's my last day of work until a 4 day holiday, so here:

I told you so (I am sure there are many ways, but here's one): 

"La mirree qatukh(m) qatakh(f)?"
La mirree = Didn't I say
qatukh/qatakh = to you

You are crazy (again, several ways, I'll give one):

"At sheedanet(m) sheedantet(m)" - this is truly calling someone crazy - it isn't very nice sounding in Assyrian though.

If you want to be sarcastic/funny and call someone crazy:

"Shuddinet?" (m) which literally means "Have you gone mad?" Shudinna = one who has gone mad, ewit = you are, so put together they make:  "Shudinnet?" - thi sis for male.  For femal, "et" becomes "at'.

Does that make sense??  :)

"Why am I an Assyrian?  Because my parents were.  Additionally, I am an Assyrian because I feel it a sacred destiny to be one.  One is an Assyrian not only because of the accident of birth.  The will to be an Assyrian involves more than being the child of Assyrian parents."

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #48 on: December 22, 2006, 10:27:30 AM »
Now, can YOU translate for me:  "Merry Christmas, Happy Easter, Happy New Year"?

"Why am I an Assyrian?  Because my parents were.  Additionally, I am an Assyrian because I feel it a sacred destiny to be one.  One is an Assyrian not only because of the accident of birth.  The will to be an Assyrian involves more than being the child of Assyrian parents."

 - David Barsum Perley

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« Reply #49 on: December 22, 2006, 10:46:20 AM »
Now, can YOU translate for me: "Merry Christmas, Happy Easter, Happy New Year"?



I just say E´do breekho to all  :loool:

Merry christmas = Breekh mawlodo d'moran
Happy Eastern = ??? I'm not sure to be honest I have to ask  :blush2: but I think it's Breekh qyamto d'moran??
Happy New Year = Breekhoy Shato Hdatho
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« Reply #50 on: December 22, 2006, 12:47:52 PM »

Uffhht Salem is making me feel I never learn east  :sadangel:


 :bigarmhug:

You will learn, I'm sure of it.




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« Reply #51 on: December 22, 2006, 01:20:46 PM »
:bigarmhug:

You will learn, I'm sure of it.


I really hope I will


very sneaky pheryal! lol. "hdatho" is kthobonoyo! (lishana ateeqa) haha!  :giggle:


We say h'atho/h'aythto  :)

And easter is called fus7o so you can say for Happy Easter= breekh e'do d'fus7o :)


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« Reply #52 on: December 22, 2006, 01:29:34 PM »
oh wow. now i know what "pis'kha" means! thanks. but isnt that passover?

Passover and Easter are at the same time - remember supposedly Jesus was having Passover supper as his "Last Supper"....
"Why am I an Assyrian?  Because my parents were.  Additionally, I am an Assyrian because I feel it a sacred destiny to be one.  One is an Assyrian not only because of the accident of birth.  The will to be an Assyrian involves more than being the child of Assyrian parents."

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« Reply #53 on: December 22, 2006, 04:32:53 PM »
Happy Easter= breekh e'do d'fus7o :)

In Arabic, Easter is referred to as "3eed Al-Fes7 - عِيدُ الفِصْح" which is very close to "Fus7o".


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« Reply #54 on: December 22, 2006, 04:50:14 PM »
In Arabic, Easter is referred to as "3eed Al-Fes7 - عِيدُ الفِصْح" which is very close to "Fus7o".



Yeah it's almost the same and if you look at pesakh (how the jewish say it) it sounds a bit like pis'kha  :)
I love semetic languages as soon as I learn east I will start making my arabic stronger (which will be much easier for me :bangin:)
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« Reply #55 on: December 25, 2006, 09:24:50 AM »
Aydarbo hat everyone?

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« Reply #56 on: December 25, 2006, 09:30:21 AM »
Yeah it's almost the same and if you look at pesakh (how the jewish say it) it sounds a bit like pis'kha  :)
I love semetic languages as soon as I learn east I will start making my arabic stronger (which will be much easier for me :bangin:)

You don't like our languages? Aryanic? LOL - so Assyrian, Arabic, Hebrew and what other languages are Semetic? Besides, Semetic languages, from what i know, have too much KH sound, i thought Arabic had too much KH, but when i heard Hebrew, i just got my thoughts twisted.

Shlomo = Assyrian, Shalom = Hebrew, Salaam = Arabic, i think they all have the same root? They do without a doubt, but which one is older?   


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« Reply #57 on: December 25, 2006, 12:22:09 PM »
Aramaic ofcourse.
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« Reply #58 on: January 03, 2007, 08:26:16 AM »
Someone transalte me this please


palit lishanakh kheena palit
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« Reply #59 on: January 03, 2007, 11:07:57 AM »
Ooops    :blush2:

 You guys have weird sayings. And Younan I didn´t say anything bad/naughty I made fun of someone and that´s what he replied.

By the way I did understand all except palit  :wavetowel:

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« Reply #60 on: January 03, 2007, 11:11:03 AM »
If a kid says something naughty or you make fun of someone we say:

Qota3no (female:Qot3ono) leeshonokh/leeshonakh .... I will cut your tongue  :mrgreen:
Seems like we are more aggresive  :shades:
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« Reply #61 on: January 03, 2007, 11:37:58 AM »
Whhen people are naughty/rude/make fun of others we also use the saying

 leeshnokh/leeshonakh yarikho yo ... Your tongue is long
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« Reply #62 on: January 03, 2007, 08:59:52 PM »
Whhen people are naughty/rude/make fun of others we also use the saying

 leeshnokh/leeshonakh yarikho yo ... Your tongue is long

We have that saying too, "leeshanokh/leeshanakh yareekheleh"

I'm guessing the person whom you're conversing with didn't want to be too aggressive straight away, so he/she used the less aggressive response.  :blink:



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« Reply #63 on: January 03, 2007, 09:28:20 PM »
Guys my old man tells me that

Leeshanah Shapnayah eleh bosh ahticka. I think what he means by that is that West Assyrian is older then East Assyrian and more orginal.

am i correct is saying that when he said "Shapenayah" he meant West Assyrian? and that it is older then east Assyrian?
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« Reply #64 on: January 04, 2007, 04:15:27 AM »
Hmm you could be right driver. But we speak the same language only different dialects. Our writing is the same. But maybe because turoyo is older he could be right. Never heard of Shapenayah.
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« Reply #65 on: January 04, 2007, 10:35:47 AM »
Guys my old man tells me that

Leeshanah Shapnayah eleh bosh ahticka. I think what he means by that is that West Assyrian is older then East Assyrian and more orginal.

am i correct is saying that when he said "Shapenayah" he meant West Assyrian? and that it is older then east Assyrian?

Is your father Urmizhnaya?  I'm just wondering - they use "Shaput" a lot but it generalizes about all Assyrians not from Iran.

The Western dialect, some believe, is pronounced more correctly to Akkadian that Eastern (the "O" instead of the "A" at the end of words, for example.)  Some words they use for nouns are more similar to the Akkadian word than the Aramaic, which is what Easterners use.  So in some ways it is more similar to Akkadian than Eastern, BUT Eastern also has the same Akkadian words - we have just learned to use the Aramaic, Arabic, Turkish or Kurdish word.

It is a disputed issue mainly because no one was alive to hear what Akkadian sounded like 5,000 years ago. :)

As for "Shaput meaning "west" - no.  Shaput is a word Urmizhnayeh use to describe all Assyrians west of Urmi.  Westerners, (and please correct me if I am wrong to any Westerners out there!) are Ma'arboyo and Easterners are Ma'dinhoyo.  These are in the Western dialect.
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« Reply #66 on: January 04, 2007, 12:33:47 PM »

I'm guessing the person whom you're conversing with didn't want to be too aggressive straight away, so he/she used the less aggressive response.  :blink:


Hmmm that´s weird because this person normally has a temper and is aggresive  :hmmm:  maybe he likes me and that´s why he didn´t used the aggresive saying. :mrgreen:

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Westerners, (and please correct me if I am wrong to any Westerners out there!) are Ma'arboyo and Easterners are Ma'dinhoyo.  These are in the Western dialect.

That´s correct. It´s very simple. Mag´arbo means west. Madenh´o means east so the western dialect is called mag´arboyo and the eastern dialect is called madenh´oyo.
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« Reply #67 on: January 04, 2007, 12:34:09 PM »
Wow well said dlty01. I always use the words Madenhoyo and Ma'erboyo. I have a friend who studies Assyriology and I can ask her which dialects looks more to the Akkadian. From what she told me they used Akkadian but because it was so difficult they changed it to Aramaic. Also because the Akkadian alphabet has more characters than the aramaic language. And i took 45/50 years to really learn good Akkadian they changed their language to Aramaic ( well it was a longer story but this is the point hehhe).

Intresting topic :D.
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« Reply #68 on: January 04, 2007, 08:30:16 PM »
Yes are from urmi
I think I didn’t explain myself correctly I wanted to know in Assyrian how do you label the different dialects eg west Assyrian and east Assyrian so what dialect do west Assyrian speak ? but I want the Assyrian in Assyrian lol am I confusing you?
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« Reply #69 on: January 04, 2007, 08:37:43 PM »
Yes are from urmi
I think I didn’t explain myself correctly I wanted to know in Assyrian how do you label the different dialects eg west Assyrian and east Assyrian so what dialect do west Assyrian speak ? but I want the Assyrian in Assyrian lol am I confusing you?


I don´t get it  :blink: sorry. It´s late and I´m sleepy.

West assyrian is called magerboyo/magerbaya and east assyrian is madenhoyo/madenkhaya
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