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Offline aturayagabara

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Need a Translation From English To Assyrian
« on: June 20, 2009, 01:41:02 AM »
Hey,

can anybody give me a translation? english to assyrian

How do you say "Son Of Assyria" in Assyrian/Aramaic

i need it in font as well

its for a tattoo design

thx much appreciated



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Re: Need a Translation From English To Assyrian
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2009, 05:07:41 AM »
That would be nice to write!

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Re: Need a Translation From English To Assyrian
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2009, 07:25:20 AM »
First: Abro d Ashur (west dialect)
Last: brone d Ashur (east dialect)

English: Son of Assyria


The Rights of Assyrians -UN Declaration
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhDtB12aA8I

The existence of the Assyrian Nation & Nationality is a fact
http://www.assyrianvoice.net/forum/index.php?topic=36862.0

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Re: Need a Translation From English To Assyrian
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2009, 07:25:20 AM »

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Re: Need a Translation From English To Assyrian
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2009, 11:33:24 AM »
John, you missed a waw in the East Assyrian version.

In classical Syriac, it's bar Athur:



"Brona" originally meant "little son."

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Re: Need a Translation From English To Assyrian
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2009, 12:04:57 PM »
Sorry, Carlo, I don´t know what you mean. I wrote Ashour and not Atour like you did. Where I missed a waw?
I used the todays usual Assyrian words and there means abro son.
As far as I know brona is the eastern version of this word and it´s used for the word son, too.
And these words are Assyrian.
The Rights of Assyrians -UN Declaration
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhDtB12aA8I

The existence of the Assyrian Nation & Nationality is a fact
http://www.assyrianvoice.net/forum/index.php?topic=36862.0

̈I´m not interested in helping our ppl because I´m nationalistic, I´m interested because our ppl NEED help!

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Re: Need a Translation From English To Assyrian
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2009, 12:28:27 PM »
Sorry, Carlo, I don´t know what you mean. I wrote Ashour and not Atour like you did. Where I missed a waw?
I used the todays usual Assyrian words and there means abro son.
As far as I know brona is the eastern version of this word and it´s used for the word son, too.
And these words are Assyrian.

Ah, I see now why you don't see it. I was talking about brona. In the Eastern dialect, the only way to get an "o" sound is with a waw, so it should be spelled beth-resh-waw-noon-alaph (ܒܪܘܢܐ). In the Western dialect, your zqapa became zeqofo. So anytime you want to write an "o" sound, you guys don't use a waw.

Both words are indeed Assyrian, but like I said before: brona has a different sense to it (meaning "little son" rather than just "son").

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Re: Need a Translation From English To Assyrian
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2009, 12:55:23 PM »
Ah, thank you for your tip, Carlo!
I mostly think I must write a waw if I hear an "u" sound.

Maybe it´s beacuse an "o" or "oo" sounds sometimes different if English speaking people say it and if German speakin speople say it.

So it must be like this:

First: Abro d Ashur (west dialect)
Last: brouna d Ashur (east dialect)




And this is:

First: abro d ashour (new west dialect turoyo)
Last: bar ashour (old dialcet kthobonoyo east- & west dialect)

English: Son of Assyria
« Last Edit: June 20, 2009, 01:29:24 PM by John_86 »
The Rights of Assyrians -UN Declaration
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhDtB12aA8I

The existence of the Assyrian Nation & Nationality is a fact
http://www.assyrianvoice.net/forum/index.php?topic=36862.0

̈I´m not interested in helping our ppl because I´m nationalistic, I´m interested because our ppl NEED help!

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Re: Need a Translation From English To Assyrian
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2009, 05:14:41 PM »
Ah, thank you for your tip, Carlo!
I mostly think I must write a waw if I hear an "u" sound.

Maybe it´s beacuse an "o" or "oo" sounds sometimes different if English speaking people say it and if German speakin speople say it.


It's not that, it has to do with Eastern and Western dialects.

We're essentially dealing with four vowel sounds here (hopefully you can see macrons on your computer):

  • rvaca (ܪܒܨܐ) or `coco (ܥܨܨܐ): A long, close ū sound (found in the classical, Eastern, and Western dialects)
  • rwaxa (ܪܘܚܐ): A long, close-mid ō sound (found in the classical and Eastern dialects)
  • zeqofo (ܙܩܦܐ): A short, open-mid o sound (found in the Western dialect)
  • zqapa (ܙܩܦܐ): A short, open ā sound (found in the classical and Eastern dialects)

All these vowels are called "back" vowels (because they're made with the tongue at the back of the mouth, as opposed to vowels like "i" and "e" which are made at the front of the mouth).

The sounds ā, ō, and ū are all classical sounds that have survived into the modern Eastern dialect. In the Western dialect, these vowels have "shifted" so that they became raised (basically, the position of the tongue became higher when pronouncing the vowel. A similar thing happened to English one time, you can read about it in German here). So the classical ā became the Western o, and the classical ō merged with the classical ū to form the Western ū. It went from three back vowel sounds in the classical dialect (ā, ō, and ū) to just two back vowel sounds in the Western dialect (o and ū).

Now, notice I said that ū and ō are "long" vowels. Long vowels are always marked in Semitic languages, in this case by waw. So since ō is a long vowel (found in the Eastern dialect but not in the Western), it needs to be represented by waw. But since o is a short vowel (found in the Western dialect but not in the Eastern), you don't find a need to represent it. They're technically different sounds, though.

Hopefully I explained it clearly. :)

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Re: Need a Translation From English To Assyrian
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