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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2017, 07:05:24 PM »
people are either **** or good in all nationalities and being mèdes , Mercedes , gypsies means nothing .

We've known that genetic diversity is good thing for years. Mix breed dogs and cats are known to have longer life spans and healthier lives. The same applies to humans , so being pure is really a bad thing .

"We are pure race", is bull***

That fact is the Modern Assyrian and Kurd have almost the same DNA.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2017, 08:01:59 PM »
"We are pure race", is bull***

That fact is the Modern Assyrian and Kurd have almost the same DNA.
Lol, what is this bull. Kurds are only 8.1 Iranian?? LMAO!!! Kurds are actually 100% Iranians of Iranid race. We are the end legacy of the Iranian/ARYAN race. We are the end product of Iranian people. We are the continuation of the Aryans. We are preserving their history, their culture, their language and their race.

Everybody can make their own crazy and stupid admixtures.


It is better to stick to the SCIENCE. And the science is telling us that Kurdish DNA didn't change much the last 3500 years. Kurds are the PUREST race at least in the Middle East.


Kurds are much closer to the Persians, other Western Iranians, people of the Caucasus than to the Assyrians.

Kurds are EVEN closer to the Anatolian Turks than to the Assyrians.


Assyrians are close to Kurds and Persians because Assyrians are mixed with our people from the Iranian Plateau/Zagros Mountains.


Kurds, Persians + other Western Iranians + native people of the Caucasus cluster together, while there is a difference between this supra-Aryan cluster and the Semitic Jewish/Lebanese/Assyrian cluster.


Kurds cluster very, very close to the ancient ARYAN people, the Copper age Iranians:




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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #37 on: July 07, 2017, 10:50:58 AM »


http://www.pnas.org/content/111/13/4832.full.pdf


First stage Indo-Europeans who Indo-Europized the Yamnaya Horizon via Maykop culture came from Leyla-Tepe/NorthWest Iranian Plateau.

Those original proto-Indo-Europeans were Caucaso-Gedrosia people like the Copper Age Iranians.


Yamnaya people (Steppe EMBA) were for about 43% Copper Age Iranians from the Iranian Plateau.









As you can see the Aryan/Kudish race was evolved from the Caucaso-Gedrosia people from the Copper Age Iranians from the Iranian Plateau/Kurdistan Zagros Mountains. Proto-Kurds/Aryans have always been native to Kurdistan

Why are you so focused on paleothic and copper age eras? You do realized that both my people and yours have long been mixed since then. You even had Assyrian and Jewish in you - I'm sure other Yazidis would too today. And I'm also sure that (Islamic) Kurds would have a lot of Arab in them due to Arab conquest and Islamicization. Now you may have been pure 3000-10,000 years, but you're not so pure now. Even Assyrians, mind you.

Indo-European isn't even a race and it's a blur. Assyrians are no more or less "Indo-European" than actual Indo-European speaking folks like Afghans, Pakis, Indians and even some southern Iranians, who would have Mongoloid, Australoid and even Negroid mixing. And since, as you proclaim, Indo European urheimat was in eastern Turkey, the peoples in the surrounding the region would be more "Indo-European" than those in central Asia (who speak the language), who are Turkic looking.

Look at your diagrams properly - The first farmers were Levantines. Except, you can clearly see that they migrated into Mesopotamia and then into Caucasus. Humans will always migrate. Go back 20,000 years and they are in Africa. Your people also came from there, as did mine. Those from the Levant were the ones who moved to the Caucasus and eastern Europe. Some stayed of course. The actual original Proto-Indo Europeans were Near Easterners/Levantines. They gave rise to your people thousands of years later, who started to speak IE first, and your people gave rise to the rest of the other Indo-European speaking people. You didn't evolve or come out of thin air in Mesopotamia.

Btw, IE urheimat being in eastern Turkey is hypothesis. Other proposals have the urheimat in Central Asia and Eastern Europe. So we just don't know really. Even the Afro-Asiatic language is theorized to origin in the Levant (as instead of eastern Africa), where it then spread to Africa.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #38 on: July 07, 2017, 12:32:45 PM »
Why are you so focused on paleothic and copper age eras? You do realized that both my people and yours have long been mixed since then. You even had Assyrian and Jewish in you - I'm sure other Yazidis would too today. And I'm also sure that (Islamic) Kurds would have a lot of Arab in them due to Arab conquest and Islamicization. Now you may have been pure 3000-10,000 years, but you're not so pure now. Even Assyrians, mind you.
Because we have got ancient DNA of the ancient people, even from the people from the era of the mighty Medes.

And when you compare the ancient DNA of the Medes with the modern Kurdish DNA, it is practically the same. No other people on this planets are closer to the ancient Medes than the Kurds.

I don't think that Kurds have much of the Arab DNA in them, because Kurds are tribal people. If Kurds would mix with other races our tribes would disappear. But there are still Kurdish tribes. It is a reality. We Kurds know the origin of our tribes and our tribes are native to the Kurdish Aryan Zagros mountains. All 'real' Kurdish tribes have Kurdish roots.

Kurdistan is a mountain region. The mountains are our best friends. Because of the mountains there never took much mixing, because we are isolated from other people due to the mountains. The mountains preserved our race.


If they found out that modern Kurds are not close to ancient Copper Age Aryans, it would be world news and everybody would use it against the Kurds, LMAO. But since we have the GENETIC evidence that Kurds are practically identical to the Copper Age Aryans (Medes) enemies of the Kurds are trivializing this very important fact that Kurds are practically unchanged as an Aryan race for about 3500 of years.

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Indo-European isn't even a race and it's a blur. Assyrians are no more or less "Indo-European" than actual Indo-European speaking folks like Afghans, Pakis, Indians and even some southern Iranians, who would have Mongoloid, Australoid and even Negroid mixing. And since, as you proclaim, Indo European urheimat was in eastern Turkey, the peoples in the surrounding the region would be more "Indo-European" than those in central Asia (who speak the language), who are Turkic looking.
Indo-European is a language family group. There is still some genetic connection between all the Indo-European speakers.

I don't think that East Iranian South Central Asians are less Indo-European than the Assyrians. South Central Asians are actually very East Iranid. They have much, much, much more Caucaso-Gedrosia DNA in them than the Assyrians.

Caucaso-Gedrosia auDNA marker is an Aryan/Iranian marker. Even the people of the Steppes, who were the SECOND stage Indo-Europeans who invaded Europe were for a HUGE part Caucaso-Gedrosia people.

East Iranian South Central Asians are much more 'Iranid' than Assyrians, since they have much more Caucaso-Gedrosia auDNA in them.

I'm not sure about the native Caucaus people, though. I believe that the native people of the Caucasus, like Georgians or Adygeans are even more 'Iranid' that the actual 'East Iranian' people. Because some native Caucasian people like Adygeans have also a lot Caucaso-Gedrosia auDNA in them.

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Look at your diagrams properly - The first farmers were Levantines. Except, you can clearly see that they migrated into Mesopotamia and then into Caucasus. Humans will always migrate. Go back 20,000 years and they are in Africa. Your people also came from there, as did mine. Those from the Levant were the ones who moved to the Caucasus and eastern Europe. Some stayed of course. The actual original Proto-Indo Europeans were Near Easterners/Levantines. They gave rise to your people thousands of years later, who started to speak IE first, and your people gave rise to the rest of the other Indo-European speaking people. You didn't evolve or come out of thin air in Mesopotamia.

Btw, IE urheimat being in eastern Turkey is hypothesis. Other proposals have the urheimat in Central Asia and Eastern Europe. So we just don't know really. Even the Afro-Asiatic language is theorized to origin in the Levant (as instead of eastern Africa), where it then spread to Africa.
No, you are making a mistake. Ancient NEOLITHIC FARMERS from the Iranian Plateau belonged to a very different race than the Levant people. Iran_N and Levant_N were very different people.

Iran_N were the farmers and they very very different from Levant_N.


You are talking about the 'Anatolian Farmers'. The Anatolian Farmers had some Levant_N admixture. And the Anatolian Farmers later mixed with the Iranian Plateau farmers. That's how modern Kurds have some Levant_N auDNA. The Kurds got the (Semitic) Levant_N auDNA mosly from the Anatolian farmers


As you can see there is an arrow from the Levant_N to Anatolian_Chl and Anatolian_N. There is NO direct arrow from Levant to Iran.


Anatolia intermediated between Levant and Iranian Plateau.



There is a GENETIC evidence that proto-Indo-Europeans came from an area between the 'Armenian Plateau' and Northwest Iranian Plateau. Second stage Indo-Europeans in the Yamnaya Horizon were for a huge part heavily influenced by 'Caucaso-Gedrosia' people. Many Indo-European cultures, like Leyla-Tepe and the Maykop culture predate the Yamnaya culture.

We had the archaeological evidences than Proto-Indo-Europeans came from the Middle East and now we have got a genetic evidence for that too.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #39 on: July 07, 2017, 12:35:10 PM »
But NEVER forget that of ALL modern people in the world today, the Kurds are the closest people to the mighty ancient Aryan Medes.

Kurdish DNA is practically identical to the Copper Age Aryan Medes. No race is closer to the DNA of the Aryan Medes than the Kurdish race. And now we have got a genetic evidence for this fact.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2017, 09:24:23 AM »
If l understand this guy correctly he ignore all the evidence you give him and say what he want to say, so all just ignore him.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2017, 02:28:59 PM »
If l understand this guy correctly he ignore all the evidence you give him and say what he want to say, so all just ignore him.

yes lol.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2017, 08:50:44 PM »
If l understand this guy correctly he ignore all the evidence you give him and say what he want to say, so all just ignore him.
Lol, do you think I'm a ignorant retard. If you claim something you should support it with the scientific/academic evidence.

I know it is very difficult for you to accept soemthing about someone you really hate. But you like it or not, Kurds are ARYAN people. Kurds are the direct descendants of the mighty Medes. It has been proven by DNA. Our native language is Aryan. Kurdish is an Aryan (West Iranian) language.

Kurds don't speak AFRO-Asiatic Semitic dialect. Kurds speak a purest Aryan language...

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2017, 08:50:13 AM »
I don't think that Kurds have much of the Arab DNA in them, because Kurds are tribal people. If Kurds would mix with other races our tribes would disappear. But there are still Kurdish tribes. It is a reality. We Kurds know the origin of our tribes and our tribes are native to the Kurdish Aryan Zagros mountains. All 'real' Kurdish tribes have Kurdish roots.
Then why are the majority of Kurds Muslims? They didn't just convert by hearing about Islam. I'm pretty sure that some, just some of them, mixed with Arabs.

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Indo-European is a language family group. There is still some genetic connection between all the Indo-European speakers. 
We're all related to an extent anyway. It's a nuanced continuum. Assyrians are still vastly more closer to Turkic speaking people like the Turks and Indians too (if you want to go far) than to Nigerians, who predominantly speak an Afro-Asiatic language. So don't language families too much for granted.

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I don't think that East Iranian South Central Asians are less Indo-European than the Assyrians. South Central Asians are actually very East Iranid. They have much, much, much more Caucaso-Gedrosia DNA in them than the Assyrians.
Is that a modern DNA result or a copper age one? If they're pure Caucasians, then why do they have Mongoloid features? Looked at Afghans? They look more Turkic than actual Turks. Just saying.

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Caucaso-Gedrosia auDNA marker is an Aryan/Iranian marker. Even the people of the Steppes, who were the SECOND stage Indo-Europeans who invaded Europe were for a HUGE part Caucaso-Gedrosia people.
I'm lost now. Are you native to the Caucasus, the Zagros in Iran or Mesopotamia? Choose one place already. Lol.

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You are talking about the 'Anatolian Farmers'. The Anatolian Farmers had some Levant_N admixture. And the Anatolian Farmers later mixed with the Iranian Plateau farmers. That's how modern Kurds have some Levant_N auDNA. The Kurds got the (Semitic) Levant_N auDNA mosly from the Anatolian farmers
Not going to disagree with that. But why does it matter where we all come from anyway? We're from the Levant, you're Iranid. So what? What makes a Levant farmer better or worse than Iranid or Anatolian farmers? How does a nomadic lifestyle from thousands of yours ago benefit you?

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As you can see there is an arrow from the Levant_N to Anatolian_Chl and Anatolian_N. There is NO direct arrow from Levant to Iran.
Bonus question that I have been pondering about: Where were the Iranids 20,000-30,000 years ago? Surely they were NOT in Iran or the Caucasus all the time. You must confess and realize that they did come out from Africa or eastern Levant one time history.

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Anatolia intermediated between Levant and Iranian Plateau.
Even basic geography agrees with that. ;)

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There is a GENETIC evidence that proto-Indo-Europeans came from an area between the 'Armenian Plateau' and Northwest Iranian Plateau. Second stage Indo-Europeans in the Yamnaya Horizon were for a huge part heavily influenced by 'Caucaso-Gedrosia' people. Many Indo-European cultures, like Leyla-Tepe and the Maykop culture predate the Yamnaya culture.
Not denying that. There is genetic evidence that we all came from Africa. Doesn't mean we're all subsaharan African. If a modern, Swedish "Indo-European" gets a DNA test he will not match with Iranid peoples and the likes. If a modern Iranian person gets a test, he will still cluster more closely (not dramatically, mind you) to Levantine people than with Danes, Swedes or other Indo-European speakers in Europe.

Somehow, you want to make Indo-Europeans (from Icelandic people to Afghans) to have some sort of a close genetic relation, when that isn't the case in the modern DNA department. You still have more in common with other Middle Easterners and Western Asians (including Armenians) than with, say, the French or Russians.

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We had the archaeological evidences than Proto-Indo-Europeans came from the Middle East and now we have got a genetic evidence for that too.
This isn't news. The Middle East would have been a birth to many language families, after Africa. Language started in Africa, where it then dispersed out of the continent, into the Levant (where Semitic was formed), to Mesopotamia, Iran (Indo European, in your case), the Caucasus (Kartvellian) and eventually into the east (Turkic) and Europe.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #44 on: July 09, 2017, 03:20:47 PM »
Then why are the majority of Kurds Muslims? They didn't just convert by hearing about Islam. I'm pretty sure that some, just some of them, mixed with Arabs.
We're all related to an extent anyway. It's a nuanced continuum. Assyrians are still vastly more closer to Turkic speaking people like the Turks and Indians too (if you want to go far) than to Nigerians, who predominantly speak an Afro-Asiatic language. So don't language families too much for granted.
Is that a modern DNA result or a copper age one? If they're pure Caucasians, then why do they have Mongoloid features? Looked at Afghans? They look more Turkic than actual Turks. Just saying.
I'm lost now. Are you native to the Caucasus, the Zagros in Iran or Mesopotamia? Choose one place already. Lol.
Not going to disagree with that. But why does it matter where we all come from anyway? We're from the Levant, you're Iranid. So what? What makes a Levant farmer better or worse than Iranid or Anatolian farmers? How does a nomadic lifestyle from thousands of yours ago benefit you?
Bonus question that I have been pondering about: Where were the Iranids 20,000-30,000 years ago? Surely they were NOT in Iran or the Caucasus all the time. You must confess and realize that they did come out from Africa or eastern Levant one time history.
Even basic geography agrees with that. ;)
Not denying that. There is genetic evidence that we all came from Africa. Doesn't mean we're all subsaharan African. If a modern, Swedish "Indo-European" gets a DNA test he will not match with Iranid peoples and the likes. If a modern Iranian person gets a test, he will still cluster more closely (not dramatically, mind you) to Levantine people than with Danes, Swedes or other Indo-European speakers in Europe.

Somehow, you want to make Indo-Europeans (from Icelandic people to Afghans) to have some sort of a close genetic relation, when that isn't the case in the modern DNA department. You still have more in common with other Middle Easterners and Western Asians (including Armenians) than with, say, the French or Russians.
This isn't news. The Middle East would have been a birth to many language families, after Africa. Language started in Africa, where it then dispersed out of the continent, into the Levant (where Semitic was formed), to Mesopotamia, Iran (Indo European, in your case), the Caucasus (Kartvellian) and eventually into the east (Turkic) and Europe.

stop feeding the troll please. And yes, all Kurds have at least one Arab/Assyrian/Semitic ancestor. I can somewhat say the same for Persians although modern persians are more likely to be a mix of every ancient Iranic people.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #45 on: July 09, 2017, 06:44:57 PM »
I'm just going to nip this entire thread in the bud with this statement.

Even if Kurds are descendants of the Medes, what about other Iranian people? I'm very sure that many if not hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of Persians, Balochis, or even Luris have Median ancestry.

Secondly, not much is really known about the Medes in terms of culture so how do Kurds know what part of their culture was originally Median compared to Iranian in general? Kurds celebrate Newroz which is no different from Persian Nowruz and the holiday was invented by Mesopotamia...

Language scholars have already figured that Kurdish is related more to Parthian than Median. Kurdish does have Median words but so does every other Iranic language.

An important note is that a Median empire never existed. There's no archaeological or local writings. The post-empire Assyrians didn't write about a Median empire and the Babylonians didn't write about a Median empire nor did the Persians. The only person to claim a median empire was Herodotus.

So no, Kurds are not (direct) descendants of Medes. If you don't like it, deal with it and come back with evidence and a clear timeline of how Medes became Kurds.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #46 on: July 09, 2017, 07:08:11 PM »
I'm just going to nip this entire thread in the bud with this statement.

Even if Kurds are descendants of the Medes, what about other Iranian people? I'm very sure that many if not hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of Persians, Balochis, or even Luris have Median ancestry.

Secondly, not much is really known about the Medes in terms of culture so how do Kurds know what part of their culture was originally Median compared to Iranian in general? Kurds celebrate Newroz which is no different from Persian Nowruz and the holiday was invented by Mesopotamia...

Language scholars have already figured that Kurdish is related more to Parthian than Median. Kurdish does have Median words but so does every other Iranic language.

An important note is that a Median empire never existed. There's no archaeological or local writings. The post-empire Assyrians didn't write about a Median empire and the Babylonians didn't write about a Median empire nor did the Persians. The only person to claim a median empire was Herodotus.

So no, Kurds are not (direct) descendants of Medes. If you don't like it, deal with it and come back with evidence and a clear timeline of how Medes became Kurds.
The Medes were NORTH West Iranian people. Like Kurds are the NORTH West Iranian people. Persians are SOUTH West Iranian people.


Once again Kurds are NORTH West Iranian people, like the Medes. Persians are SOUTH West Iranian people. Central Asian Iranian people are EAST Iranian people.

Parthians were basically Medes with extra Scythian ancestry. Like the Medes and Kurds, also the Parthians were NORTH West Iranian people.

Parthians = 80 % Medes + 20% Scythian (Saka/Parni from Central Asia).



We have DNA as evidence. We have ancient Copper Age DNA from the ERA of the Medes. And that DNA is identical to the modern day Kurdish DNA!
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #47 on: July 09, 2017, 07:23:07 PM »
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Then why are the majority of Kurds Muslims? They didn't just convert by hearing about Islam. I'm pretty sure that some, just some of them, mixed with Arabs.
What the hell are you talking about?

Islam is just a religion and NOT ethno-religion.

Indonesia is the biggest Muslim country in the world with more than 250 million Muslims. Pakistan is also a Muslim country. There are many Muslim nations in Northern Caucasus and even in Europe. Are all those people also mixed with the Arabs?

Are Indonesians Arabs?

The legendary boxer Mohammed Ali became a Muslim. Does he also have Arab roots?




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We're all related to an extent anyway. It's a nuanced continuum. Assyrians are still vastly more closer to Turkic speaking people like the Turks and Indians too (if you want to go far) than to Nigerians, who predominantly speak an Afro-Asiatic language. So don't language families too much for granted.
Doesn't matter to what extend we are related, but we are also very different from each other.


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Is that a modern DNA result or a copper age one? If they're pure Caucasians, then why do they have Mongoloid features? Looked at Afghans? They look more Turkic than actual Turks. Just saying.
In Afghanistan live many different races. Tajiks, Pashtuns and Uzbeks. But East Iranian Afghans, no matter how much they are mixed with the Mongoloid people, are still much more Iranian than the Assyrians etc.


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I'm lost now. Are you native to the Caucasus, the Zagros in Iran or Mesopotamia? Choose one place already. Lol.
Iranian Plateau.

Zagros Mountains and the Northern Mesopotamia like Shengal are all part of the Iranian Plateau



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Bonus question that I have been pondering about: Where were the Iranids 20,000-30,000 years ago? Surely they were NOT in Iran or the Caucasus all the time. You must confess and realize that they did come out from Africa or eastern Levant one time history.
Nobody knows that. We don't have ancient DNA that old.

What we have got is ancient DNA from the Levant and the Zagros Mountains of 10000 years old. And those people were very different from each other. There was more distance than between African and people from China.


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Somehow, you want to make Indo-Europeans (from Icelandic people to Afghans) to have some sort of a close genetic relation, when that isn't the case in the modern DNA department. You still have more in common with other Middle Easterners and Western Asians (including Armenians) than with, say, the French or Russians.
There has always been a difference between the ancient Iranian people and the European people.

The mighty ARAYN Medes were like Kurds NORTH West Iranian people and NOT Celtic, Germanic or Slavic. That's why Medes were West Iranic (Aryan) and NOT Slavic, Celtic or Germanic. Once again, the Medes were WEST Iranic native to Kurdistan. Identical to modern day Kurds.


The Medes were not like people from Iceland. The ancient Medes and the ancient Persians were like modern day Kurds and modern day Persians.




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This isn't news. The Middle East would have been a birth to many language families, after Africa. Language started in Africa, where it then dispersed out of the continent, into the Levant (where Semitic was formed), to Mesopotamia, Iran (Indo European, in your case), the Caucasus (Kartvellian) and eventually into the east (Turkic) and Europe.
Who cares.

But this thread was started to tr0ll the Kurds. Of course Kurds are the direct descendants of the Medes. We have DNA as evidence.

Like the Medes, Kurds are considered to be NORTH West Iranian people. Our language is older and much more pure than Persian, which is a SOUTH West Iranian language.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #48 on: July 09, 2017, 07:30:09 PM »
The Medes were NORTH West Iranian people. Like Kurds are the NORTH West Iranian people. Persians are SOUTH West Iranian people.


Once again Kurds are NORTH West Iranian people, like the Medes. Persians are SOUTH West Iranian people. Central Asian Iranian people are EAST Iranian people.

Parthians were basically Medes with extra Scythian ancestry. Like the Medes and Kurds, also the Parthians were NORTH West Iranian people.

Parthian = 80 % Medes + 20% Scythian (Saka from Central Asia).



We have DNA as evidence. We have ancient Copper Age DNA from the ERA of the Medes. And that DNA is identical to the modern day Kurdish DNA!

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #49 on: July 09, 2017, 08:50:10 PM »

We have DNA as evidence. We have ancient Copper Age DNA from the ERA of the Medes. And that DNA is identical to the modern day Kurdish DNA!


So does everybody else...

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #50 on: July 09, 2017, 09:50:45 PM »
So does everybody else...
I don't understand you. The Copper Age DNA from Zagros was the closest match with the Kurds. Modern Assyrian, Armenian, Arab, Turkish DNA is different from the Copper Age Median era DNA from Zagros.


Of course Kurds have some relatives. Kurds are not the only people who are NorthWest Iranian and who are the direct descendants of the Medes. There are some small nations in North West Iran who also speak a North West Iranian language and who are also genetically very close to the Kurds, but their populations are very, very smal. Just a few hundred thousand.

With 50 million people, the Kurdish nation is the biggest NORTH West Iranian population in the world.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #51 on: July 09, 2017, 09:59:01 PM »
It is also very stupid to say that Kurds are mixed with Arabs because Kurds are Muslims. It is as stupid as to say that English people are mixed with Assyrians because English people are Christians.


Christianity by country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country

do all this people have Assyrian roots?


or

Islam by country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

do all those countrie have Arab roots?


Once again, Islam or Christianity are NOT ethno-religions. They are just religions...



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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #52 on: July 09, 2017, 10:12:03 PM »
What the hell are you talking about?

Islam is just a religion and NOT ethno-religion.

Indonesia is the biggest Muslim country in the world with more than 250 million Muslims. Pakistan is also a Muslim country. There are many Muslim nations in Northern Caucasus and even in Europe. Are all those people also mixed with the Arabs?

Are Indonesians Arabs?

The legendary boxer Mohammed Ali became a Muslim. Does he also have Arab roots?

You do realize that Islam was spread by violence and rape? FYI, Indonesians do have a little bit of Arab in them, as do Central Asians. Kurds, in comparison, would have more. Why? They're simply in the Middle East and closer to Arabs. So intermixing would be occurring more due to the close distance.

Feeble analogy. Mohammed Ali was a single Muslim convert (NOT even a Muslim by birth). He probably descended from predominant Christian Africans, as did many other African Americans.

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Zagros Mountains and the Northern Mesopotamia like Shengal are all part of the Iranian Plateau

No region of Mesopotamia is part of the Iranian Plateau. You do realize that Mesopotamia is made up of relatively flat plains? It's hardly a plateau. The farthest periphery in Northern Iraq, where the Zagros form, are part of the Plateau. And they make up, what? 1% of Mesopotamia? 99% of Mesopotamia has nothing to do with the Plateau. So geography and geology simply disagree with you here. Refer to this map:



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Nobody knows that. We don't have ancient DNA that old.

What we have got is ancient DNA from the Levant and the Zagros Mountains of 10000 years old. And those people were very different from each other. There was more distance than between African and people from China.

Um, we do have ancient DNA. We are all traced to Africa. Your people didn't spawn in the Zagros out of nowhere. They all eventually came from the African continent, like we all did. Sure, some were more recent or belated exports, but we all came from one place. And so what?

Nope, we're not that different, especially today. You're making a severe overstatement. Levant farmers and Iranid people are as different as Slavs and Italics - Similar peoples, but a wholly differing culture and moderately distinct looks. Your hatred and disgust of Levantines wouldn't make them so distinct to you. Heck, your own gedmatch had Assyrian and Jewish. Last time I checked, Africans don't even have east Asian in them (and vice versa). Lmao.

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There has always been a difference between the ancient Iranian people and the European people.

The mighty ARAYN Medes were like Kurds NORTH West Iranian people and NOT Celtic, Germanic or Slavic. That's why Medes were West Iranic (Aryan) and NOT Slavic, Celtic or Germanic. Once again, the Medes were WEST Iranic native to Kurdistan. Identical to modern day Kurds.

The Medes were not like people from Iceland. The ancient Medes and the ancient Persians were like modern day Kurds and modern day Persians.

You did not get my point. You just said earlier that all Indo-European speakers have a genetic relation (in which they do), and you seemed to emphasize on that part. All I said was that it's blurred nowadays - Kurds are still closer to Assyrians and Jews than to Swedes, Danes and other Indo-Europeans from Europe. And you should agree with this fact.

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Who cares.

But this thread was started to tr0ll the Kurds. Of course Kurds are the direct descendants of the Medes. We have DNA as evidence.

Like the Medes, Kurds are considered to be NORTH West Iranian people. Our language is older and much more pure than Persian, which is a SOUTH West Iranian language.

Well, apparently you care. You're the one who is preoccupied with languages and races. You just said that Indo-European came from the Middle East and I was like of course, since most languages derived from the Near East and Africa.

stop feeding the troll please. And yes, all Kurds have at least one Arab/Assyrian/Semitic ancestor. I can somewhat say the same for Persians although modern persians are more likely to be a mix of every ancient Iranic people.

His opinions surely are a bit too far-fetched, but he doesn't seem like a troll and he seems like a debater. He does provide sources and he has good eloquence, I give him that.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #53 on: July 09, 2017, 10:49:17 PM »
You do realize that Islam was spread by violence and rape? FYI, Indonesians do have a little bit of Arab in them, as do Central Asians. Kurds, in comparison, would have more. Why? They're simply in the Middle East and closer to Arabs. So intermixing would be occurring more due to the close distance.

Feeble analogy. Mohammed Ali was a single Muslim convert (NOT even a Muslim by birth). He probably descended from predominant Christian Africans, as did many other African Americans.
No region of Mesopotamia is part of the Iranian Plateau. You do realize that Mesopotamia is made up of relatively flat plains? It's hardly a plateau. The farthest periphery in Northern Iraq, where the Zagros form, are part of the Plateau. And they make up, what? 1% of Mesopotamia? 99% of Mesopotamia has nothing to do with the Plateau. So geography and geology simply disagree with you here. Refer to this map:


Um, we do have ancient DNA. We are all traced to Africa. Your people didn't spawn in the Zagros out of nowhere. They all eventually came from the African continent, like we all did. Sure, some were more recent or belated exports, but we all came from one place. And so what?

Nope, we're not that different, especially today. You're making a severe overstatement. Levant farmers and Iranid people are as different as Slavs and Italics - Similar peoples, but a wholly differing culture and moderately distinct looks. Your hatred and disgust of Levantines wouldn't make them so distinct to you. Heck, your own gedmatch had Assyrian and Jewish. Last time I checked, Africans don't even have east Asian in them (and vice versa). Lmao.
You did not get my point. You just said earlier that all Indo-European speakers have a genetic relation (in which they do), and you seemed to emphasize on that part. All I said was that it's blurred nowadays - Kurds are still closer to Assyrians and Jews than to Swedes, Danes and other Indo-Europeans from Europe. And you should agree with this fact.
Well, apparently you care. You're the one who is preoccupied with languages and races. You just said that Indo-European came from the Middle East and I was like of course, since most languages derived from the Near East and Africa.
His opinions surely are a bit too far-fetched, but he doesn't seem like a troll and he seems like a debater. He does provide sources and he has good eloquence, I give him that.


stop feeding the troll that doesn't contribute anything.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #54 on: July 10, 2017, 04:46:03 AM »
You do realize that Islam was spread by violence and rape? FYI, Indonesians do have a little bit of Arab in them, as do Central Asians. Kurds, in comparison, would have more. Why? They're simply in the Middle East and closer to Arabs. So intermixing would be occurring more due to the close distance.
Stupid thinking. Kurds are tribal people and Kurdistan is a MOUNTAINIOUS area. Not many Arabs could reach Kurdish Mountains and mix with the Kurds who were isolated in the mountains at the first place.

According to our DNA there is no evidence at all that Kurds mixed with the Arabs. Kurds have still the same DNA as Copper Age Aryans


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No region of Mesopotamia is part of the Iranian Plateau. You do realize that Mesopotamia is made up of relatively flat plains? It's hardly a plateau. The farthest periphery in Northern Iraq, where the Zagros form, are part of the Plateau. And they make up, what? 1% of Mesopotamia? 99% of Mesopotamia has nothing to do with the Plateau. So geography and geology simply disagree with you here.
You don't knwo what the Northern Mesopotamia is. It is you problem and not my problem


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Um, we do have ancient DNA. We are all traced to Africa. Your people didn't spawn in the Zagros out of nowhere. They all eventually came from the African continent, like we all did. Sure, some were more recent or belated exports, but we all came from one place. And so what?
We don't know that yet. We don't have ancient DNA that old to compare. Multiregional origin of modern humans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiregional_origin_of_modern_humans



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Nope, we're not that different, especially today. You're making a severe overstatement. Levant farmers and Iranid people are as different as Slavs and Italics - Similar peoples, but a wholly differing culture and moderately distinct looks. Your hatred and disgust of Levantines wouldn't make them so distinct to you. Heck, your own gedmatch had Assyrian and Jewish. Last time I checked, Africans don't even have east Asian in them (and vice versa). Lmao.
No, if you watch to the map you can clearly see that Neolithic Levant farmers and Neolithic Iranian farmers were very different races





Kurds are still VERY close to the ancient Iranian people.


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You did not get my point. You just said earlier that all Indo-European speakers have a genetic relation (in which they do), and you seemed to emphasize on that part. All I said was that it's blurred nowadays - Kurds are still closer to Assyrians and Jews than to Swedes, Danes and other Indo-Europeans from Europe. And you should agree with this fact.
Not sure about the Jews. And about what kind of Jews are talking about? European Jews are still much closer to the Europeans than Kurds. Jews are VERY mixed and not a good proxy population.

It is possible that Assyrians are closer to West Iranian people than Celtic or Germanic or Slavic people. But that is because Assyrians are a very, vey small Afro-Asiatic Semitic population who is mixed with the Sumerians, Iranians, Armenians etc. from the very beginning.

Assyrians as a small population are very mixed people, that's why they cluster between the Levant people and Iranians. But the roots and origin of the Assyrian people (language) is Semitic. This is a fact.


Kurds are much closer to native West Asian people like Georgians and other Caucasians than to the Assyrians. And much closer to the native North West ASIAN people than to the European People. Why? Because Kurds are NATIVE to their homeland.

The reason why I'm saying this due to the fact that Kurds are still very close to the ancient Iranian/Aryan people



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Well, apparently you care. You're the one who is preoccupied with languages and races. You just said that Indo-European came from the Middle East and I was like of course, since most languages derived from the Near East and Africa.
I'm telling this because I don't want to show that Kurds are like Europeans, but to show that Kurds are actually NATIVE to Kurdistan. That Kurds are from nowhere but only from Kurdistan.

As a Kurd a do care about my roots and I do care about the origin of the Kurds. I don't care about Europeans or something. I only care about my own origin. And my origin is that I'm a direct product of the Medes, that Kurds are NORTH West Iranic people and we are NATIVE to Kurdistan.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #55 on: July 10, 2017, 06:35:56 AM »
Stupid thinking. Kurds are tribal people and Kurdistan is a MOUNTAINIOUS area. Not many Arabs could reach Kurdish Mountains and mix with the Kurds who were isolated in the mountains at the first place.

According to our DNA there is no evidence at all that Kurds mixed with the Arabs. Kurds have still the same DNA as Copper Age Aryans
Arabs invaded Western Asia, the Caucasus, Southern Europe, Western Asia and northern Africa. What makes you so sure that they weren't able reach the mountains in the foothills of their own region? You are funny. Let this map speak to you:



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You don't knwo what the Northern Mesopotamia is. It is you problem and not my problem
You lack geographical reasoning. And that's a problem. I don't mean that as an insult. Zagros mountains occur in the farthest reaches of Northern Iraq, near southeastern Turkey and northwest Iran. They are a highland and they are not in Mesopotamia, or "the land between two rivers", which are made up of flat plains. That's just plain geological fact. Look at a darn map for your own good before making falsities.

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We don't know that yet. We don't have ancient DNA that old to compare. Multiregional origin of modern humans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiregional_origin_of_modern_humans
I'll stick with the out of Africa theory because it's the one with the most evidence.

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No, if you watch to the map you can clearly see that Neolithic Levant farmers and Neolithic Iranian farmers were very different races


For the love of God, look at how close Jordanians/Syrians and Iranians/Turks cluster in the second pic? Do you realize that these are neighbouring ethnic groups, just like Malaysians, Singaporeans and Indonesians. They're not races. Again, I don't see how a neolithic era is so relevant in today's genealogy of our people.

*Cough* Where is the Assyrian marker, btw?

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Kurds are still VERY close to the ancient Iranian people.
To a high degree, yes.

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It is possible that Assyrians are closer to West Iranian people than Celtic or Germanic or Slavic people. But that is because Assyrians are a very, vey small Afro-Asiatic Semitic population who is mixed with the Sumerians, Iranians, Armenians etc. from the very beginning.
You make it seem like mixing is a bad thing. We're only that mixed because our empire sprawled towards a lot of ancient nations.

Iranians are mixed too. They are more Arab or Semitic than Kurds, even more so than us, because of Islam conquest. Have you seen how much some Iranians look very Saudi Arabian, especially those living in the gulf? Ancient Iranian people, before Islamicization, looked more "Caucasian" and akin to Armenians or those in the Caucasus.

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Assyrians as a small population are very mixed people, that's why they cluster between the Levant people and Iranians. But the roots and origin of the Assyrian people (language) is Semitic. This is a fact.
Stop making it so black and white. We only cluster between Levantines and Iranians because we're, NEWSFLASH, situated between the two regions of the Levant and Iran. This is not mixing. We just are that way. That's like saying Central Asians are mixed with Chinese people because they are Mongoloid looking. No, they look that way because they naturally share both Caucasian and Asian features, without any mixing.

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The reason why I'm saying this due to the fact that Kurds are still very close to the ancient Iranian/Aryan people.
And I'm not standing against that.

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I'm telling this because I don't want to show that Kurds are like Europeans, but to show that Kurds are actually NATIVE to Kurdistan. That Kurds are from nowhere but only from Kurdistan.
You are from the Iranian Plateau (NOT Mesopotamia), in the mountains, and you surely closely bordered our people. We were the ones in the plains of Mesopotamia. That's where we originated from. Yes, yes, maybe we came from a different homeland in the neolithic times, but that doesn't mean a thing. Our written history and culture began in Mesopotamia at the end of the day. Can you please acknowledge this?

P.S. Kurds did come from Medes. Couldn't care less either way. But you guys have a bit of Assyrian in you, just the same way we have Iranian in us. It goes both way. And let's embrace it.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #56 on: July 10, 2017, 02:34:16 PM »
Arabs invaded Western Asia, the Caucasus, Southern Europe, Western Asia and northern Africa. What makes you so sure that they weren't able reach the mountains in the foothills of their own region? You are funny. Let this map speak to you:
Because Arabs didn't migrate into those regions. They just conquered it. And later installed some rulers, That's all. But Arabs never moved into the mountains.

Modern Kurdish DNA doesn't have much of Arab DNA. Modern day Kurdish DNA is IDENTICAL to the Copper Age Aryan DNA from Zagros. If you compare modern Kurdish DNA with ancient DNA of Copper Age Medes you will find out that Kurdish DNA is very pure and didn't change for the last 3000 years


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You lack geographical reasoning. And that's a problem. I don't mean that as an insult. Zagros mountains occur in the farthest reaches of Northern Iraq, near southeastern Turkey and northwest Iran. They are a highland and they are not in Mesopotamia, or "the land between two rivers", which are made up of flat plains. That's just plain geological fact. Look at a darn map for your own good before making falsities.
Shengal is at the heart of the Mesopotamia. Shengal IS between the 2 rivers. It is in between.

And Shengal is part of the Zagros Mountain Range, Shengal is part of the Zagros.

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For the love of God, look at how close Jordanians/Syrians and Iranians/Turks cluster in the second pic? Do you realize that these are neighbouring ethnic groups, just like Malaysians, Singaporeans and Indonesians. They're not races. Again, I don't see how a neolithic era is so relevant in today's genealogy of our people.
The POINT is that Kurds are still very close to the ancient Iranian People.

But the modern Semites from the Levant are very shifted from the ancient Levant people toward the Iranian people.

Aryans dominated the Middle East for thousands of years. Afro-Asiatic Semitic Syrians and the Levant people are very mixed people. Originally they were like the Levant Farmers. But later on they mixed with the Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers, like the Sumerians.  It were those Aryan people who brought civilization into the Levant and Mesopotamia.


The thing is that Kurds are still on the same place as their ancestors, while Northern Semitic people are mixed and shifted away from the ancient Levant people, their original ancestors, because of the people like the Sumerians, Mitanni, Kassites, Medes, Kurds, Persians etc..

We were talking about the ancient Levant farmers. They belonged to a very different race than the Iranian Plateau Neolithic farmers.


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*Cough* Where is the Assyrian marker, btw?
here is where the Kurds cluster. the Kurds cluster between the Iranians/Persians and Adygeians (Northern Caucasians)



Assyrians cluster between the Armenians and Jews/modern Levant people.


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Iranians are mixed too. They are more Arab or Semitic than Kurds, even more so than us, because of Islam conquest. Have you seen how much some Iranians look very Saudi Arabian, especially those living in the gulf? Ancient Iranian people, before Islamicization, looked more "Caucasian" and akin to Armenians or those in the Caucasus.
I don't know bout what kind of Iranians you are talking about. In Iran live millions of Arabs.

But when we look at the Persians (Farsi) from the Caspian Sea area, they are not very mixed with the Arabs.


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You are from the Iranian Plateau (NOT Mesopotamia), in the mountains, and you surely closely bordered our people. We were the ones in the plains of Mesopotamia. That's where we originated from. Yes, yes, maybe we came from a different homeland in the neolithic times, but that doesn't mean a thing. Our written history and culture began in Mesopotamia at the end of the day. Can you please acknowledge this?
Shengal is the HEART of the Northern Mesopotamia. It is between the 2 rivers.

And Shengal is part of the Zagros Mountain Range and therefore the Iranian Plateau.



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P.S. Kurds did come from Medes. Couldn't care less either way. But you guys have a bit of Assyrian in you, just the same way we have Iranian in us. It goes both way. And let's embrace it.
I have never denied that Kurds have some Assyrian, mostly Chaldean DNA in them.

I think Kurds have for about 10% Semitic (mostly Chaldean) DNA in them. But it is much LESS than that the modern Assyrians and in particular Chaldeans have Iranian DNA in them.

I believe that the modern day Assyrians have for about 25% of the ancient Copper Age Iranian/Aryan (Median, Persian, Kurdish) DNA in them..

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #57 on: July 22, 2017, 09:12:22 PM »
Because Arabs didn't migrate into those regions. They just conquered it. And later installed some rulers, That's all. But Arabs never moved into the mountains.

Modern Kurdish DNA doesn't have much of Arab DNA. Modern day Kurdish DNA is IDENTICAL to the Copper Age Aryan DNA from Zagros. If you compare modern Kurdish DNA with ancient DNA of Copper Age Medes you will find out that Kurdish DNA is very pure and didn't change for the last 3000 years

Invade. Conquer. Migrate. They're all pretty much synonymous to each other in a degree. Some people got mixed with them. Some did NOT. There's a reason why some Spaniards and Sicilians have dark skin and curly hair, because of their Arab heritage. Does this mean every non-Arab is now mixed? Of course not.

Yazidis may be very pure because they maintained their indigenous religion. Muslim-practicing Kurds are not as pure as Yazidis. Again, I'm not saying they all have Arab admixture, but a few would. If they adopted Islam, what makes you so sure that they weren't raped by Islamic preachers? You do realize that Islam was spread by force and violence?

Why are you so hard-pressed about Kurds when you're a Yazidi? I understand that you're a Kurdish ethnicity, but you seem very defensive about Kurds, Iranians, etc. At least I admitted to you that Yazidis are a pure Iranian peoples. Muslim Iranian peoples certainly are not, due to Islam.

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Shengal is at the heart of the Mesopotamia. Shengal IS between the 2 rivers. It is in between.

And Shengal is part of the Zagros Mountain Range, Shengal is part of the Zagros.

Sinjar is part of Mesopotamia, but is NOT considered to be part of Zagros mountains (look this up). The Zagros mountains, which are to the north, bordering eastern Turkey and western Iran, are not in Mesopotamia - That was my point. You should've been specific earlier.

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But the modern Semites from the Levant are very shifted from the ancient Levant people toward the Iranian people.

And that's an issue because? We all have to start somewhere and end up elsewhere. Humans will always migrate. Above all, the distance between the Levant and Mesopotamia isn't so great. You would've had a compelling argument if, say, Levantines originated in Libya or Mongolia. Be satisfied that we were always in the Middle East.

What matters is that we started our rich culture and heritage in Mesopotamia. Even if we had mice DNA in us, we became a successful empire and left a legacy there. Go back a few thousand years, even your people would come from foreign lands.

What is your point here?

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Aryans dominated the Middle East for thousands of years. Afro-Asiatic Semitic Syrians and the Levant people are very mixed people. Originally they were like the Levant Farmers. But later on they mixed with the Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers, like the Sumerians.  It were those Aryan people who brought civilization into the Levant and Mesopotamia.

Such ignorance. Amazed you still use "Afro-Asiatic" to determine a person's ethnic background. Btw, you are also Asiatic - Western Asian, to be precise. People would care less about your language family. You are as Asian as Jordanians, Syrians and Jews.

There is no evidence that Sumerians were Iranians. Let go of this codswallop already. Again, they could have been the ancestors of both Akkadians and Iranians. We just don't know. Quit being so biased.

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The thing is that Kurds are still on the same place as their ancestors, while Northern Semitic people are mixed and shifted away from the ancient Levant people, their original ancestors, because of the people like the Sumerians, Mitanni, Kassites, Medes, Kurds, Persians etc..

1. There is no clear evidence that Assyrians came from the ancient Levant people. Speaking a Semitic language doesn't mean anything.
2. Really bold and biased of you to put Sumerians with actual Iranian peoples.
3. Even if we did come from the Levant, so what? It was 9000 years ago. We can all be mixed by now. Including you.

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We were talking about the ancient Levant farmers. They belonged to a very different race than the Iranian Plateau Neolithic farmers.

Yeah, right. So the Japanese and Chinese are also two very different races? Sorry, but they're just two distinct ethnic groups of the same Mediterranid race - Specifically, you are of the Irano-Afghan race, which is part of the Eastern Mediterranean race. But of course, you wouldn't being say that, as it goes against your Aryan agenda. God forbid you group us with your people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irano-Afghan_race

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here is where the Kurds cluster. the Kurds cluster between the Iranians/Persians and Adygeians (Northern Caucasians)



Assyrians cluster between the Armenians and Jews/modern Levant people.

Yeah, because the map totally shows where Assyrians are. Your last sentence is a conjecture at best and I will take it as anecdote until you find a diagram/source that confirms what you're saying.

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But when we look at the Persians (Farsi) from the Caspian Sea area, they are not very mixed with the Arabs.

Finally, you're getting it. Yes, they're more pure. Those bordering the Gulf would have Arab ancestry. This is a fact.

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And Shengal is part of the Zagros Mountain Range and therefore the Iranian Plateau.

Shengal is not part of the Zagros mountain range. It's an isolate mountain in the middle of the plains. It's close to the Zagros, but NOT part of them. Compare the two:




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I have never denied that Kurds have some Assyrian, mostly Chaldean DNA in them.

Chaldeans are not a disparate ethnic group. They are an Assyrian tribe. So there is no such thing as "Chaldean DNA". You can say Kurds have mixed with a few Catholic Assyrians in Northern Iraq.

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I think Kurds have for about 10% Semitic (mostly Chaldean) DNA in them. But it is much LESS than that the modern Assyrians and in particular Chaldeans have Iranian DNA in them.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #58 on: July 23, 2017, 07:10:46 AM »
Yazidis may be very pure because they maintained their indigenous religion. Muslim-practicing Kurds are not as pure as Yazidis. Again, I'm not saying they all have Arab admixture, but a few would. If they adopted Islam, what makes you so sure that they weren't raped by Islamic preachers? You do realize that Islam was spread by force and violence?

Yazidi don't exist.

In Kurdish (Kurmanji) those people are called Ezdi or Ezidi. My people call themselves 'Ezdi'.

'Em Ezdine' = We are EZDI !! This is how we pronounce it.




Stolen Kurdish women who were raped by Muslims, their bastard children aren't Kurds and don't speak Kurdish. Daddies of the children of those raped Kurdish women were not Kurdish and therefore those children were/are not Kurdish. Those stolen women were assimilated into Turanic Mongloid and Afro Asiatic races. Turks and Arabs are a product of mass raped people. That's why Turkish and Arab races are mongrel 'BASTARD' races. That's why Turks and Arbas act like bastards.


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Sinjar is part of Mesopotamia, but is NOT considered to be part of Zagros mountains (look this up). The Zagros mountains, which are to the north, bordering eastern Turkey and western Iran, are not in Mesopotamia - That was my point. You should've been specific earlier.

... Shengal is not part of the Zagros mountain range. It's an isolate mountain in the middle of the plains. It's close to the Zagros, but NOT part of them. Compare the two:

Shengal is the HEART of the Mesopotamia.

Mesopotamia = Shengal
Shengal = Mesopotamia

And Shengal is part of Zagros and therefore part of the Iranian Plateau. It is a SCIENTIFIC fact!! Sinjar is part of the Zagros Fold - Thrust Belt. Here are the ACADEMIC articles about it:


Facies Changes Between Kolosh and Sinjar Formations Along Zagros Fold–Thrust Belt in Iraqi Kurdistan Region

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285226964_Facies_Changes_Between_Kolosh_and_Sinjar_Formations_Along_Zagros_Fold-Thrust_Belt_in_Iraqi_Kurdistan_Region


Structure of the Zagros fold and thrust belt in the Kurdistan Region, northern Iraq

http://geol.uniovi.es/TDG/Volumen29/TG29-39.PDF


You can't change geology, how the Earth has been build, the structure of our planet.


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You are as Asian as Jordanians, Syrians and Jews.

I'm 100% (northwest) Asian.

Asia or being an Asian is not a race, but it is a geography.

Like being an European doesn't mean you belong to the same race. There are NATIVE Europeans like Saami, Laplanders who are Finno-Ugric who are Mongoloid people. Those Mongoloid Saami people are very different to the very native Basque people of Iberia.

geography is not a race. Kurds or even the Median Empire are/was by location Asian, but by race WEST Iranid (Aryan).


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There is no evidence that Sumerians were Iranians.

According to the Sumerians they came from the mountains. 1 of their 7 Gods (compared to the Ezdi  7 angels) Ninhursag was even a mother goddess of the mountains.

Read the Epic of Gilgamesh or an epic about 7 mountains to Arrata, or those epics are concetrated around ZUBI (Zagros) Mountains. Sumerian called their original land KUR-gal. Kur = montains


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Finally, you're getting it. Yes, they're more pure. Those bordering the Gulf would have Arab ancestry. This is a fact.
What is your point? In Iran live many different races/people. Iran is a MULTI-ethnic country.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnicities_in_Iran

MORE than 20% of people in Iran are Turks. This is more than 16 million people (of total population of 81 million)

There are 3% of Arabs in Iran who live mostly in Khuzestan province. = 2.5 million (81 x 0.03). 2.5 million Arabs live in Iran

Etc, etc.

But we were talking about the Iranid (ARYAN) Persian (Farsi) people. And Iranid Farsi people close to the Caspian Sea are not very much mixed with Arabs, those Farsi are even more mixed with the Turks than Arabs.

With other words, ethnic Persians have much, much more Mongoloid blood in them than Arabic/Semitic blood...


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Chaldeans are not a disparate ethnic group. They are an Assyrian tribe. So there is no such thing as "Chaldean DNA". You can say Kurds have mixed with a few Catholic Assyrians in Northern Iraq.
*Catholic Assyrian
At the times of the Medes, there was no such thing as Christianity. At the time of the Medes, Chaldeans, Babylonians were NOT Christians and definitely not Catholic.

Chaldeans PRE-date Christianity....


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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #59 on: August 03, 2017, 03:57:42 AM »
Yazidi don't exist.

In Kurdish (Kurmanji) those people are called Ezdi or Ezidi. My people call themselves 'Ezdi'.

'Em Ezdine' = We are EZDI !! This is how we pronounce it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy1HgHHKbWY

Now you deny Yazidis as a race? You're one odd "Yazidi".

Can you care to tell me why do Yazidis distance themselves from Kurds and claim to be a disparate ethnic group? Btw, you're one of the few Yazidis (actually only) to be hostile to Assyrians, Jews and non-Kurds in general. Which is weird. Because those who made you suffer were your Sunni Islamic Kurds and Arabs. No offense, but that's why I suspected you to be a Kurd in disguise. By Kurd, I mean a Sunni Muslim Kurd.

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Stolen Kurdish women who were raped by Muslims, their bastard children aren't Kurds and don't speak Kurdish. Daddies of the children of those raped Kurdish women were not Kurdish and therefore those children were/are not Kurdish. Those stolen women were assimilated into Turanic Mongloid and Afro Asiatic races. Turks and Arabs are a product of mass raped people. That's why Turkish and Arab races are mongrel 'BASTARD' races. That's why Turks and Arbas act like bastards.

That's your biased, prejudiced emotions talking. I'm sorry bub, but there are bastard children who claim to have a Kurdish identity. A decent amount of Kurds have Arab in them. More so than us. Let's not get hostile or insecure about it. Btw, you're a Yazidi. Only you guys are the pure Iranian race. So why are you hard-pressed about your fellow Sunni Muslim Kurds?

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Shengal is the HEART of the Mesopotamia.

Mesopotamia = Shengal
Shengal = Mesopotamia

And Shengal is part of Zagros and therefore part of the Iranian Plateau. It is a SCIENTIFIC fact!! Sinjar is part of the Zagros Fold - Thrust Belt. Here are the ACADEMIC articles about it

Facies Changes Between Kolosh and Sinjar Formations Along Zagros Fold–Thrust Belt in Iraqi Kurdistan Region

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285226964_Facies_Changes_Between_Kolosh_and_Sinjar_Formations_Along_Zagros_Fold-Thrust_Belt_in_Iraqi_Kurdistan_Region

Structure of the Zagros fold and thrust belt in the Kurdistan Region, northern Iraq

http://geol.uniovi.es/TDG/Volumen29/TG29-39.PDF


You can't change geology, how the Earth has been build, the structure of our planet.


Shengal is in Mesopotamia alright, but NOT in the heart of it. Lmao. That would be Baghdad or Mosul. If anything, Shengal is on the "neck" of Mesopotamia.

Read your source properly. It clearly says "Sinjar Formations Along Zagros Fold". The keyword here is "along", meaning it sits on the footsteps of the Zagros. Doesn't mean it's part of the Zagros. And who cares. How does that affect your ethnic identity?

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Asia or being an Asian is not a race, but it is a geography.

Like being an European doesn't mean you belong to the same race. There are NATIVE Europeans like Saami, Laplanders who are Finno-Ugric who are Mongoloid people. Those Mongoloid Saami people are very different to the very native Basque people of Iberia.

geography is not a race. Kurds or even the Median Empire are/was by location Asian, but by race WEST Iranid (Aryan).

"Geography is not a race" - Exactly, but then you're eager to claim language families such as "Afro-Asiatic" and "Semitic" as being races. It's amazing.

Let go of these obsolete racial terms already. And now, according to this article, Assyrians, Armenians, Levantines and Iranians are of an Armenoid race:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenoid_race

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According to the Sumerians they came from the mountains. 1 of their 7 Gods (compared to the Ezdi  7 angels) Ninhursag was even a mother goddess of the mountains.

Read the Epic of Gilgamesh or an epic about 7 mountains to Arrata, or those epics are concetrated around ZUBI (Zagros) Mountains. Sumerian called their original land KUR-gal. Kur = montains

Yes, and? Assyrians lived around those areas too, and would have been in the mountains. Who said that the mountains in northwest Asia only belonged to Iranian peoples? Maybe we shared them. Ever think of that?

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What is your point? In Iran live many different races/people. Iran is a MULTI-ethnic country.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnicities_in_Iran

MORE than 20% of people in Iran are Turks. This is more than 16 million people (of total population of 81 million)

There are 3% of Arabs in Iran who live mostly in Khuzestan province. = 2.5 million (81 x 0.03). 2.5 million Arabs live in Iran

Etc, etc.

Yep. Hence the fact that a few Iranians would be mixed, because you do acknowledge that they're a mixed country.

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With other words, ethnic Persians have much, much more Mongoloid blood in them than Arabic/Semitic blood...

Not going to disagree with that as I knew a few Persians that have epicanthic folds or "Asian eyes". This isn't surprising - They're more closer to eastern Asia than we are. 

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At the times of the Medes, there was no such thing as Christianity. At the time of the Medes, Chaldeans, Babylonians were NOT Christians and definitely not Catholic. Chaldeans PRE-date Christianity....

Oh lord, looks like you have no idea who the modern day "Chaldeans" are. They are NOT descendants of ancient Chaldeans from Chaldea. Modern day Chaldeans are Assyrians who adopted the Catholic faith. They're descendants of Akkadians and ancient Assyrians, just like we are. They became Catholics centuries ago and adopted a false name for their people - "Chaldean".

True Chaldeans living today would probably be the Sabeans or Mandeans.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #60 on: August 03, 2017, 07:59:49 AM »
Now you deny Yazidis as a race? You're one odd "Yazidi".
There is no such thing as Ezdi race. Ezdi people are part of the greater (Aryan) NorthWest Iranian Kurdic race.

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Can you care to tell me why do Yazidis distance themselves from Kurds and claim to be a disparate ethnic group? Btw, you're one of the few Yazidis (actually only) to be hostile to Assyrians, Jews and non-Kurds in general. Which is weird. Because those who made you suffer were your Sunni Islamic Kurds and Arabs. No offense, but that's why I suspected you to be a Kurd in disguise. By Kurd, I mean a Sunni Muslim Kurd.
I'm an Ezdi Kurds because both of my parents are pure Ezdi Kurds. I've nothing to do with Islam, neither Sunni nor Shia. I was born as an Ezdi and I was baptized by an Ezdi priest from the very beginning right after my birth. I'm a son of the Ezdi people and one of the chosen people of Tause Melek.

I'm hostile against those who are hostile against my race.

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That's your biased, prejudiced emotions talking. I'm sorry bub, but there are bastard children who claim to have a Kurdish identity. A decent amount of Kurds have Arab in them. More so than us. Let's not get hostile or insecure about it. Btw, you're a Yazidi. Only you guys are the pure Iranian race. So why are you hard-pressed about your fellow Sunni Muslim Kurds?
There are 50 million Kurds. There are millions of (non-Ezdi) Kurds who live in the mountains far away from the border areas who are as pure as I am. There are only max 2 million Ezdi Kurds in the world, while there are 50 million people who belong to an Aryan (Kurdic) race.

Most Kurds (in Northern, Western, Southern and Eastern Kurdistan) are as pure as I am.

I don't know any bastard child from 'Kurdish' mother and non-Kurdish father who call themselve 'Kurd'. I never met such people.

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Shengal is in Mesopotamia alright, but NOT in the heart of it. Lmao. That would be Baghdad or Mosul. If anything, Shengal is on the "neck" of Mesopotamia.
Shengal is a border area between Rojava and Bashur. Shengal is actually the heart of Mesopotamia. Mesopotamia is not only in 'Iraq', but also in NorthWestern Syria (Rojava) and SouthEastern Turkey (Bakur). Rojava and big parts of Northern Kurdistan are also Northern Mesopotamia.

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"Geography is not a race" - Exactly, but then you're eager to claim language families such as "Afro-Asiatic" and "Semitic" as being races. It's amazing.

Let go of these obsolete racial terms already. And now, according to this article, Assyrians, Armenians, Levantines and Iranians are of an Armenoid race:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenoid_race
Yes, and? Assyrians lived around those areas too, and would have been in the mountains. Who said that the mountains in northwest Asia only belonged to Iranian peoples? Maybe we shared them. Ever think of that?
Yep. Hence the fact that a few Iranians would be mixed, because you do acknowledge that they're a mixed country.
Semitic people are not native to the Mesopotamia. Semitic language was born in the Levant/Eastern Africa. Most Semitic people live in a desert (Arabia). Semitic people are desert people and not mountain people.

Kurds and Persian are Aryan people and belong to an Aryan race. Our DNA is different from the DNA of our Southern neighbours. We are native to the Iranian Plateau.


Semitic race is native to the deserts and not mountains....


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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #61 on: August 03, 2017, 09:17:29 PM »
Kurds are not animals. Let animals mix with each other.

My people are the chosen people of Meleke Taus. And as long they don't mix with other they stay to be the children of Meleke Taus.
Animals are much better than humans in my view .
Meleke taus is a bloody bird for heaven's sake , nice yes ,smart no , beautiful yes and that is what fooled your ancestors . There are those in india that who believe that the greatest angel is in a monkey , in a rat , in a cow , tell me how are you any different ? Nothing special about yazidi faith , same garbage stories stories like the rest of the religions .

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #62 on: August 03, 2017, 11:46:30 PM »
There is no such thing as Ezdi race. Ezdi people are part of the greater (Aryan) NorthWest Iranian Kurdic race.
My mistake, I meant "Yazidi ethnicity". I know that they aren't a race.

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I'm an Ezdi Kurds because both of my parents are pure Ezdi Kurds. I've nothing to do with Islam, neither Sunni nor Shia. I was born as an Ezdi and I was baptized by an Ezdi priest from the very beginning right after my birth. I'm a son of the Ezdi people and one of the chosen people of Tause Melek.
I did say that Yazidis are pure because they have nothing to do with Islam and its raping conquest. Sunni Kurds on the other hand....Well, I won't be reiterating that.

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I'm hostile against those who are hostile against my race.
We are "hostile" in retaliation to Sunni Muslim Kurds who are aggressive towards us (the some of them). Why are you, a Yazidi, interfering and playing a victim? We have nothing against Yazidis Kurds. Can you learn that at least?

And yet again, in another thread of Proud Arab, you're comparing us to "n!ggers" and calling us mixed. Nothing wrong with being mixed with blacks, but you're expressing your opinion in a condescending matter, and to feel "superior". Didn't I told you that the world will see you no different from other Middle Easterners, and how we're all pretty much terrorist-looking, Arab "sand******s"? Be aware of that.

I'm sorry, but I think you're a Kurd of Sunni background. That same Kurd who was brought up to hate to Assyrians. You're using "Yazidi" as a masquerade, so we can take the focus of Kurdish Muslims and rather, hate on innocent Pagan Yazidis instead, huh? Nice ploy.

If you want to be "more" accurate, your "race" is mentioned to be part of the Irano-Afghan race and Armenoid races (which *cough cough* involve us and Arabs). And I linked you these articles. But of course, these articles won't fit your "Aryan" agenda.

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Most Kurds (in Northern, Western, Southern and Eastern Kurdistan) are as pure as I am.
Yazidis are pure. But most Kurds would have a little bit of Arab - Some more or less than others. Even we do. And there's nothing wrong with that. Why do you care about Muslim Kurds so much? I am flabbergasted.

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I don't know any bastard child from 'Kurdish' mother and non-Kurdish father who call themselve 'Kurd'. I never met such people.
It's not everyday people will come out and yell out what their ethnic makeup is. And I'm not saying their parent is Arab. I'm talking about generations ago. Their great-great-great x10 grandparents. Back 500-1000 years when Islam was spreading violently. That's when they would have Arab heritage. Again, who cares. You're a Yazidi, right? You're very pure. Who cares about Sunni Kurds?

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Shengal is a border area between Rojava and Bashur. Shengal is actually the heart of Mesopotamia. Mesopotamia is not only in 'Iraq', but also in NorthWestern Syria (Rojava) and SouthEastern Turkey (Bakur). Rojava and big parts of Northern Kurdistan are also Northern Mesopotamia.
I know that Mesopotamia extends to Syria and Turkey, but I just wouldn't say Shengal is in the "heart of Mesopotamia. You know that's not right. Try Mosul or Kurdistan, then yeah, they can be in the heart.

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Semitic people are not native to the Mesopotamia. Semitic language was born in the Levant/Eastern Africa. Most Semitic people live in a desert (Arabia). Semitic people are desert people and not mountain people.
Arabs are from Arabia, dude. Stop conflating languages with races of people. I can also say that Icelandic people are not native to Iceland, because IE evolved in central Asia/Eastern Europe. Even if we came from Mars, we left our legacy in Mesopotamia. And FYI, most of Mesopotamia is desert. It gets lusher towards the north in Kurdistan. We could have easily migrated out from the Levant to Iraq (as per your theory) and start a civilization there. What's your problem?

Btw, people can always adopt languages. Jamaicans now speak an English Creole. Are they now Indo-Europeans? I don't think so. Our ancient tongue that predated Akkadian may not have been Semitic to start with. So you wouldn't know.

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Kurds and Persian are Aryan people and belong to an Aryan race. Our DNA is different from the DNA of our Southern neighbours. We are native to the Iranian Plateau.
Yes, I get that already. Different ethnic groups have different DNA. So what?

Funny, there are no Wikipedia articles talking about an "Aryan race". Well, there is an article on "Aryan", and they only speak of it as a culture in South Asia or an identity by the Nazis. It's a loose, unclear term. Like I said, you only use it so you can feel as superior as Nazi Germans. You also use "Semitic" so much because, well, Nazi Germany was slaughtering Jews (who just happened to be Semitic speakers).

You are just mimicking them. You don't use Armenoid, Irano-Afghan (which are mostly used to identify YOUR race), but only Aryan - In which there is no proof of. That just figures.

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Semitic race is native to the deserts and not mountains....
Yep. Deserts of Mesopotamia in southern Iraq (*cough* Sumer). But then you'll get all flustered when I say we had connections to Sumerians, who actually did come from a hot desert and were neighboring our homeland.

Why do you hate the fact that we have connections to Mesopotamia? What have we done to you? That's why I think you're a Sunni Kurd in disguise. Yazidis are generally friendly towards us and have no problems. You seem to hate Assyrians and have a superiority complex (or inferiority even) when it comes to us. What's the deal?

P.S. Who are the ancient Akkadians/Assyrians? Are they our ancestors to you or not?
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #63 on: August 04, 2017, 05:51:21 AM »
Animals are much better than humans in my view .
Meleke taus is a bloody bird for heaven's sake , nice yes ,smart no , beautiful yes and that is what fooled your ancestors . There are those in india that who believe that the greatest angel is in a monkey , in a rat , in a cow , tell me how are you any different ? Nothing special about yazidi faith , same garbage stories stories like the rest of the religions .
You fail to understand with your retard Islamic brains that we don't believe in 'birds'. Meleke Taus was an angel and not a bird. We compare him to a bird, since the ancient Sumerian times, because according to us angels came down from heaven. Angels were not born on this planet. Ancient Sumerians marked angels with WINGS. To show that they came down from heaven. Like the Sumerians, Ezdi also believe in 7 angels

Ezdi are just poetic people. Peacock is just our METHAPHOR for Melek Taus. We never say that Melek Taus was a bird, LMAO! According to Ezdi Peacock is the most proud and beautiful of all birds. That's why we use peacock as a poetic METHAPHOR for Tause Melek.


Birdly ancient Sumerian Angels with wings:




Birdly Zoroaster with WINGS:

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #64 on: August 04, 2017, 06:25:21 AM »
Didn't I told you that the world will see you no different from other Middle Easterners, and how we're all pretty much terrorist-looking, Arab "sand******s"? Be aware of that.
I don't care about what other think. The facts is that Aryans and Semites are different people. This is a FACT!!

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If you want to be "more" accurate, your "race" is mentioned to be part of the Irano-Afghan race and Armenoid races (which *cough cough* involve us and Arabs). And I linked you these articles. But of course, these articles won't fit your "Aryan" agenda.
Arabs/Bedouin belong to an ARABID (Yemenid) race.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabid_race


Assyrians belong to an Semitic Assyrid race. Assyrid = This Armenoid-Araboid hybrid type is alternatively known as the Assyrid


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But most Kurds would have a little bit of Arab - Some more or less than others. Even we do. And there's nothing wrong with that. Why do you care about Muslim Kurds so much? I am flabbergasted.
It's not everyday people will come out and yell out what their ethnic makeup is. And I'm not saying their parent is Arab. I'm talking about generations ago. Their great-great-great x10 grandparents. Back 500-1000 years when Islam was spreading violently. That's when they would have Arab heritage. Again, who cares. You're a Yazidi, right? You're very pure. Who cares about Sunni Kurds?
Once again, Arabs were not powerful for thousands of years, just for a few hundred years before Seljuks (Turco-Mongoloid people) defeated them. Kurdistan is in the MOUNTAINS, that makes for other people mixing with Kurds very difficult.

Maybe in some areas in Southern Kurdistan, some Kurds have somehow a prehisotric Arabic grandmother, but Kurds is Northern Kurdistan, Wan, Kars or Kurds in Eastern Kuridstan like Mehabad or Kermanshah have not much to do with the Semitic Arabs.

You FAIL to understand that most Kurds live outside 'Iraq'.

As an Ezdi Kurd, I'm also PKK. PKK is not an Ezdi organisation, but a PAN-Kurdish organisation. Ezdi Kurds are the purest Kurds, but that doesn't make other Kurds 'less' Kurds. Once ALL Kurds were Ezdi Kurds.


Kurds NEED unity and not division.


You act like a true enemy of my people. You are dividing my people. Kurds are 1 people, 1 race, 1 root, 1 language

If you think that Ezdi and Assyrians are going to live together, you are wrong big time. Ezdi ARE Kurds and the future of Ezdi is the same as the future of ALL Kurds.


There are many different types of Kurds, like Ezdi Kurds, Zazaki Kurds etc. And all types of Kurds share the same future together.

We don't want to do anything with other races.


Our Aryan race FIRST!

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Funny, there are no Wikipedia articles talking about an "Aryan race". Well, there is an article on "Aryan", and they only speak of it as a culture in South Asia or an identity by the Nazis. It's a loose, unclear term. Like I said, you only use it so you can feel as superior as Nazi Germans. You also use "Semitic" so much because, well, Nazi Germany was slaughtering Jews (who just happened to be Semitic speakers).
The only one true Aryans were the ancient Medes and Persians. Kurds are MEDES, that's why Kurds are ARYANS.

Medes = Aryans
Kurds = Medes
Kurds = Aryans

I use the world Aryan from a HISTORIC few of point to show that I'm a direct descendant of the Aryan Medes, while other people who are not like me are NOT.

I love history. I use the world Aryan to make a link between Kurds and Persians. I am sure that Kurds and Persians will have the same future destiny. Kurds and Persians TOGETHER can become a global superpower.

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Deserts of Mesopotamia in southern Iraq (*cough* Sumer). But then you'll get all flustered when I say we had connections to Sumerians, who actually did come from a hot desert and were neighboring our homeland.
There is a difference between SOUTHERN and NORTHERN Mesopotamia.

Original Sumerians came down from the Mountains and NORTHERN Mesopotamia. Sumerians spread all over the Middle East and South Asia


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Why do you hate the fact that we have connections to Mesopotamia? What have we done to you? That's why I think you're a Sunni Kurd in disguise. Yazidis are generally friendly towards us and have no problems. You seem to hate Assyrians and have a superiority complex (or inferiority even) when it comes to us. What's the deal?

P.S. Who are the ancient Akkadians/Assyrians? Are they our ancestors to you or not?
Assyrians are mostly native to the SOUHTERN Mesopotamia!



Kurds are native to the NORHTERN Mesopotamia.


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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #65 on: August 04, 2017, 12:05:53 PM »
Shengal is in Mesopotamia alright, but NOT in the heart of it. Lmao. That would be Baghdad or Mosul. If anything, Shengal is on the "neck" of Mesopotamia.
Shengal is the HEART of the Mesopotamia. Shengal is BETWEEN the 2 Kurdish born rivers from Kurdish mountains, Tigris and Euphrates. The origin of those mighty Kurdish rivers lie in the Kurdish mountains, mostly in Northern Kurdistan (Wan area)

Mosul is next to Tigris, Nineveh was build on the shores of Tigris. While Shengal is BETWEEN Tigris and Euphrates. Shengal is much more between the 2 Kurdish rivers than Nineveh.

Ezdixan (Shengal) and Rojava are the Northern parts and actually the BEST parts of the Mesopotamia


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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #66 on: August 05, 2017, 05:01:34 AM »
I don't care about what other think. The facts is that Aryans and Semites are different people. This is a FACT!!
As different as Chinese and Vietnamese. Both look the same and have similar cultures, but are ethnically distinct. I'm sorry that you look like "Semitic" people and have Jewish in your Gedmatch. Not sure why you're hostile about it, though.

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Arabs/Bedouin belong to an ARABID (Yemenid) race.

http://Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabid_race
Exactly. These racial constructs are mostly redundant. Arabs are put in both Arabid and Armenoid races, strangely.

As BS as your Aryan or Semitic races.

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Assyrians belong to an Semitic Assyrid race. Assyrid = This Armenoid-Araboid hybrid type is alternatively known as the Assyrid
Wrong. You're putting "Semitic" to fuel your Aryan vs Semitic agenda. The sources clearly say Assyrians, alongside you guys and Levantines, are part of the Armenoid race. Although in other articles, you're considered to be Irano-Afghans.

Again, it's BS. They're obsolete racial constructs. You just go by "Aryan" and "Semitic" because you're trying desperately to be like the Nazis. It's blatantly obvious, and pretty funny.

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Once again, Arabs were not powerful for thousands of years, just for a few hundred years before Seljuks (Turco-Mongoloid people) defeated them. Kurdistan is in the MOUNTAINS, that makes for other people mixing with Kurds very difficult.
Once again, Arabs reached Europe and interbred with the Spaniards. What makes you so sure that they couldn't reach Northern Iraq, which is in the heart of their homeland? Kurds didn't just hear about Islam. A few, if not many, obviously mixed with them. Again, why are you so bothered? You're a Yazidi. It's not about you. Christ.

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You act like a true enemy of my people. You are dividing my people. Kurds are 1 people, 1 race, 1 root, 1 language
Of course. Sunni Kurds (besides Muslim Arabs) are slaughtering you guys for being pagans, but we're your enemies. Makes perfect sense.

And who is dividing you? Yazidis did that themselves. Not OUR fault that they call themselves Yazidis.

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If you think that Ezdi and Assyrians are going to live together, you are wrong big time. Ezdi ARE Kurds and the future of Ezdi is the same as the future of ALL Kurds.
Spoken like a true hateful and bigoted Kurd. Last time I checked Sunni Kurds have been killing your people. You are a laughing stock. Man, just come out and say that you're a Sunni Kurd? Maybe then I'll understand your arguments.

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Our Aryan race FIRST!
The only one true Aryans were the ancient Medes and Persians. Kurds are MEDES, that's why Kurds are ARYANS.

Medes = Aryans
Kurds = Medes
Kurds = Aryans

I use the world Aryan from a HISTORIC few of point to show that I'm a direct descendant of the Aryan Medes, while other people who are not like me are NOT.
You say Aryan (which is pretty much a South Asian culture). I say Irano-Afghan race. At least the letter term is affiliated with a race.

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I love history. I use the world Aryan to make a link between Kurds and Persians. I am sure that Kurds and Persians will have the same future destiny. Kurds and Persians TOGETHER can become a global superpower.
Sorry, but the word "Aryan" has changed. Like I said, it means a lot of things. To me it means blonde and blue eyed people from Nordic countries. It has nothing to do with Middle Easterners. That's just me. Oh, and a lot of people. You're going to put a lot of effort to try to convince the world what Aryan means to them. They'll all link it to the Nazis and Nordic Europeans.

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There is a difference between SOUTHERN and NORTHERN Mesopotamia.

Original Sumerians came down from the Mountains and NORTHERN Mesopotamia. Sumerians spread all over the Middle East and South Asia

Assyrians are mostly native to the SOUHTERN Mesopotamia!
*Of course Sumerians came down from the north, because your people are native to the north. How convenient.
*No evidence that Sumerians came from the north anyway.
*Sumerians are not 100% Iranid nor Assyrid. You can say they're a mix of the two.
*Assyrians are native to northern Mesopotamia. I think everybody knows that.
*If Assyrians are native to the south, then who's to say that the Sumerians didn't mix with us?
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #67 on: August 05, 2017, 07:12:15 AM »
As different as Chinese and Vietnamese. Both look the same and have similar cultures, but are ethnically distinct. I'm sorry that you look like "Semitic" people and have Jewish in your Gedmatch. Not sure why you're hostile about it, though.
Whatever. I'm an Aryan. Never was a Semite and never will be. I'm who I am.

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Although in other articles, you're considered to be Irano-Afghans.
Kurds, real ARYANS, are part of the Aryan Caspian race. Kurds have both Anatolian (Armenoide) DNA in them and Iranian Plateau (Iranid) DNA in them

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Once again, Arabs reached Europe and interbred with the Spaniards. What makes you so sure that they couldn't reach Northern Iraq, which is in the heart of their homeland? Kurds didn't just hear about Islam. A few, if not many, obviously mixed with them. Again, why are you so bothered?
Kurds are tribal people. Our ribes still exist. That mean that Kurdish tribes didn't mixed much with other races. If Kurds mixed with other races, Kurdish tribes would not exist anymore. I'm sure that in mountainous areas in Spain, like Northern Spain, not many Spaniards mixed with Arabs. Mostly only Southern Spaniards were affected by the Semitc Arabid DNA.

Ezdi Kurdish DNA is similar to the DNA of other non-Ezdi Kurds from all parts of Kurdistan. Ezdi Kurds separated from other Kurds after Islam, that is 1000 years ago. My DNA is still similar to non-Ezdi Kurds from Wan to Kermanshah!! And still after 1000 years all Kurds are the same. That means that Kurds are unmixed. And our DNA is still the same as that of the Medes who lived in the Copper Age.


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You say Aryan (which is pretty much a South Asian culture). I say Irano-Afghan race. At least the letter term is affiliated with a race.
South Asian are INDO-Aryans. They are mixed between native Indians and Aryans. Kurds are simply Iranic or Aryan people.
The Medes were considered and even consider themselves as Aryans. And Medes were already a mixture between Anatolian (Armenoid) and Iranian Plateau (Iranid) people.

Irano-Afghan race = ancient Anatolian farmers + ancient Iranian Plateau farmers. People in South Central Asia and India have a lot ancient Anatolian farmer + ancient Iranian Plateau farmer DNA in them.


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Sorry, but the word "Aryan" has changed. Like I said, it means a lot of things. To me it means blonde and blue eyed people from Nordic countries. It has nothing to do with Middle Easterners. That's just me. Oh, and a lot of people. You're going to put a lot of effort to try to convince the world what Aryan means to them. They'll all link it to the Nazis and Nordic Europeans.
The word Aryan never changed. Only some retard, ignored and uneducated people don't know anymore what it means. People don't know their roots. It is not my problem.
The Medes and Persians were still Aryans, no matter people like it or not.

I'm a TRUE Aryan. And I know that I'm a true Aryan. Because I know my roots. I don't care what people think about it, it's not my problem.

My race is ARYAN
My religion is ARYAN
My language is ARYAN
My culture is ARYAN
My homeland is ARYAN

I AM 100% allround full Aryan. You like it or not!

As long as I do exist I will forever use the word Aryan to explain my ethnicity. And people like you will NEVER stop using me the word ARYAN.

Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan


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*Of course Sumerians came down from the north, because your people are native to the north. How convenient.
*No evidence that Sumerians came from the north anyway.
*Sumerians are not 100% Iranid nor Assyrid. You can say they're a mix of the two.
*Assyrians are native to northern Mesopotamia. I think everybody knows that.
*If Assyrians are native to the south, then who's to say that the Sumerians didn't mix with us?
* Sumerian came from the MOUNTAINS !!!
* Sumerians have their mountain GODS and their legends are taking place in the mountains.
* Original Sumerians who came from the mountains and migrated into the Levant, southern Mesopotamia, Arabia, India were native to the Iranian Plateau
* Ancestors of the Assyrians, Akkadians & Babylonians lived in Southern Mesopotamia. Babylon = southern Mesopotamia.
* Of course Assyrians have some Sumerian DNA in them. I never denied it. Like Levant people, Indians and Arabas have some Sumerian DNA in them. But that doesn't make you people Sumerians. You have much more other DNA in you. And your original roots are NOT Sumerian.



I do enjoy however how you don't like me to call myself an Aryan. Why don't you like the word 'ARYAN', what do you have against this word?

As I know my roots, I know who my ancestors were. And all my ancestors were ARYANS. Therefore I'm an ARYAN.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #68 on: August 07, 2017, 11:02:59 PM »
Whatever. I'm an Aryan. Never was a Semite and never will be. I'm who I am.

In your point of view. You are still as Western Asian as a "Semite". Also, you belong to their race in other classifications (Armenoid, Mediterranid & even the loose term of "Middle Eastern"). Your point of view doesn't mean it's the sole truth.

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Ezdi Kurdish DNA is similar to the DNA of other non-Ezdi Kurds from all parts of Kurdistan. Ezdi Kurds separated from other Kurds after Islam, that is 1000 years ago. My DNA is still similar to non-Ezdi Kurds from Wan to Kermanshah!! And still after 1000 years all Kurds are the same. That means that Kurds are unmixed. And our DNA is still the same as that of the Medes who lived in the Copper Age.

Similar, but not identical. If you want your DNA to be exactly like Sunni Kurds, then okay, enjoy having Arab in you.

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South Asian are INDO-Aryans. They are mixed between native Indians and Aryans. Kurds are simply Iranic or Aryan people.
The Medes were considered and even consider themselves as Aryans. And Medes were already a mixture between Anatolian (Armenoid) and Iranian Plateau (Iranid) people.

They are Iranid people. Leave Aryan out. You're not a white supremacist and you look funny doing this. Just stick to sourced and genuine racial terms like Irano-Afghan or Armenoid.

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The word Aryan never changed. Only some retard, ignored and uneducated people don't know anymore what it means. People don't know their roots. It is not my problem.
The Medes and Persians were still Aryans, no matter people like it or not.

Your inferiority complex people know pretty well know that Aryan means "blue eyed, blonde and white". Look at how much your Iranian brothers and sister yearn to be white and blonde, by only choosing blondes to represent the Aryan race. They call themselves Aryan because they think they're related to Germans just because SOME of their people have blonde hair. Let these videos speak for themselves. They're pathetically hilarious:




I love this one. This uploader sees through your "Aryan" BS and shows us that Iranid people are mostly dark and average looking:



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I'm a TRUE Aryan. And I know that I'm a true Aryan. Because I know my roots. I don't care what people think about it, it's not my problem.

My race is ARYAN
My religion is ARYAN
My language is ARYAN
My culture is ARYAN
My homeland is ARYAN

I AM 100% allround full Aryan. You like it or not!

As long as I do exist I will forever use the word Aryan to explain my ethnicity. And people like you will NEVER stop using me the word ARYAN.

Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan, Aryan

Poor you. Must be like your superior Germanic masters in order to have confidence and pride in yourself. You must conform to their titles. Just pathetic.

Btw, according to the above videos, made by YOUR Iranians folks, you are not Aryan if you don't have blonde features. Again, you are NOT Aryan. You are NOT a 190cm, blonde haired, slim white man.

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* Sumerian came from the MOUNTAINS !!!
* Sumerians have their mountain GODS and their legends are taking place in the mountains.
* Original Sumerians who came from the mountains and migrated into the Levant, southern Mesopotamia, Arabia, India were native to the Iranian Plateau
* Ancestors of the Assyrians, Akkadians & Babylonians lived in Southern Mesopotamia. Babylon = southern Mesopotamia.
* Of course Assyrians have some Sumerian DNA in them. I never denied it. Like Levant people, Indians and Arabas have some Sumerian DNA in them. But that doesn't make you people Sumerians. You have much more other DNA in you. And your original roots are NOT Sumerian.

*No proof. They are desert people. We both know this. So are Kurds now from the desert? Oh wait, that goes against your mountain narrative now does it?
*No they were not. People migrated out of the middle east to the east and north. They didn't go back to the west again. Sumerians were recent African migrants. And perhaps some did migrate further into Iran and south Asia.
*Yep. And Sumerians were in South Mesopotamia too.
*No, we are not 100% Sumerian. But you guys are not pure Sumerians too. Don't be greedy and unfair. But we're still more closer to them than Iranians. We're from Mesopotamia, not you guys (and you did claim to be from the Iranian plateau - don't contradict yourself!).

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I do enjoy however how you don't like me to call myself an Aryan. Why don't you like the word 'ARYAN', what do you have against this word?

As I know my roots, I know who my ancestors were. And all my ancestors were ARYANS. Therefore I'm an ARYAN.

I actually acknowledge the term 'Aryan'. It's used to describe blonde haired peoples from Northern Europe, and not just by Nazis. There are books and racial descriptions on these people. Unfortunately, they have nothing to do with your people. That's why I sneer and scoff when you use it for yourself.






Nobody uses the term for dark-skinned, dark-eyed, dark-haired people from the Middle East. Racially, you are Irano-Afghan. Most people will see you as Middle Eastern. They will just not see you as Aryan no matter how much you enforce the term. The word is widely used for Nordic people. You can't do anything about that. And I'm not saying this to sound rude. Maybe there is some Aryan culture that existed in your regions. But as a race, I'm sorry, Aryan is now used for Germanic people. Terms change and evolve.
It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change. - Charles Darwin

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #69 on: August 07, 2017, 11:19:50 PM »
On a side note: This Aryan Myth has lot of charm is Middle East & South Asia because Aryan race is depicted as white, beautiful & perfect. Its the inferiority complex of South and Western Asians because of which they want to associate themselves with a mythical race to feel good about themselves and probably they think they'd earn some respect. On the contrary the great races such as Greeks & Romans do not associate themselves with any such mythical race. At least Indians should come out of this Aryan myth and feel proud of their real history which is much older than this Aryan myth.

There never was an Aryan race. All the ancient Sanskrit texts and Vedas have no mention of such race. The word Arya comes from Sanskrit and it simply means a noble person. This myth was created by Germans to call it a race and go on a mission to exterminate colored people, specially Jews. In reality Hitler was pissed at Jews because Jews were very intelligent & talented and white Germans were loosing jobs because of Jews.

Kurds this time ignorantly affiliating 'Aryan' with some of their blonde people:



And yet you ask why am I finding this laughable? Let's face it. Your people are Germanic/European wannabes. It's really sad and pathetic.
It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change. - Charles Darwin

 

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