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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2017, 06:42:59 PM »
people are either **** or good in all nationalities and being mèdes , Mercedes , gypsies means nothing .

We've known that genetic diversity is good thing for years. Mix breed dogs and cats are known to have longer life spans and healthier lives. The same applies to humans , so being pure is really a bad thing .
Kurds are not animals. Let animals mix with each other.

My people are the chosen people of Meleke Taus. And as long they don't mix with other they stay to be the children of Meleke Taus.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2017, 07:05:24 PM »
people are either **** or good in all nationalities and being mèdes , Mercedes , gypsies means nothing .

We've known that genetic diversity is good thing for years. Mix breed dogs and cats are known to have longer life spans and healthier lives. The same applies to humans , so being pure is really a bad thing .

"We are pure race", is bull***

That fact is the Modern Assyrian and Kurd have almost the same DNA.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2017, 08:01:59 PM »
"We are pure race", is bull***

That fact is the Modern Assyrian and Kurd have almost the same DNA.
Lol, what is this bull. Kurds are only 8.1 Iranian?? LMAO!!! Kurds are actually 100% Iranians of Iranid race. We are the end legacy of the Iranian/ARYAN race. We are the end product of Iranian people. We are the continuation of the Aryans. We are preserving their history, their culture, their language and their race.

Everybody can make their own crazy and stupid admixtures.


It is better to stick to the SCIENCE. And the science is telling us that Kurdish DNA didn't change much the last 3500 years. Kurds are the PUREST race at least in the Middle East.


Kurds are much closer to the Persians, other Western Iranians, people of the Caucasus than to the Assyrians.

Kurds are EVEN closer to the Anatolian Turks than to the Assyrians.


Assyrians are close to Kurds and Persians because Assyrians are mixed with our people from the Iranian Plateau/Zagros Mountains.


Kurds, Persians + other Western Iranians + native people of the Caucasus cluster together, while there is a difference between this supra-Aryan cluster and the Semitic Jewish/Lebanese/Assyrian cluster.


Kurds cluster very, very close to the ancient ARYAN people, the Copper age Iranians:




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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #39 on: July 07, 2017, 10:50:58 AM »


http://www.pnas.org/content/111/13/4832.full.pdf


First stage Indo-Europeans who Indo-Europized the Yamnaya Horizon via Maykop culture came from Leyla-Tepe/NorthWest Iranian Plateau.

Those original proto-Indo-Europeans were Caucaso-Gedrosia people like the Copper Age Iranians.


Yamnaya people (Steppe EMBA) were for about 43% Copper Age Iranians from the Iranian Plateau.









As you can see the Aryan/Kudish race was evolved from the Caucaso-Gedrosia people from the Copper Age Iranians from the Iranian Plateau/Kurdistan Zagros Mountains. Proto-Kurds/Aryans have always been native to Kurdistan

Why are you so focused on paleothic and copper age eras? You do realized that both my people and yours have long been mixed since then. You even had Assyrian and Jewish in you - I'm sure other Yazidis would too today. And I'm also sure that (Islamic) Kurds would have a lot of Arab in them due to Arab conquest and Islamicization. Now you may have been pure 3000-10,000 years, but you're not so pure now. Even Assyrians, mind you.

Indo-European isn't even a race and it's a blur. Assyrians are no more or less "Indo-European" than actual Indo-European speaking folks like Afghans, Pakis, Indians and even some southern Iranians, who would have Mongoloid, Australoid and even Negroid mixing. And since, as you proclaim, Indo European urheimat was in eastern Turkey, the peoples in the surrounding the region would be more "Indo-European" than those in central Asia (who speak the language), who are Turkic looking.

Look at your diagrams properly - The first farmers were Levantines. Except, you can clearly see that they migrated into Mesopotamia and then into Caucasus. Humans will always migrate. Go back 20,000 years and they are in Africa. Your people also came from there, as did mine. Those from the Levant were the ones who moved to the Caucasus and eastern Europe. Some stayed of course. The actual original Proto-Indo Europeans were Near Easterners/Levantines. They gave rise to your people thousands of years later, who started to speak IE first, and your people gave rise to the rest of the other Indo-European speaking people. You didn't evolve or come out of thin air in Mesopotamia.

Btw, IE urheimat being in eastern Turkey is hypothesis. Other proposals have the urheimat in Central Asia and Eastern Europe. So we just don't know really. Even the Afro-Asiatic language is theorized to origin in the Levant (as instead of eastern Africa), where it then spread to Africa.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #40 on: July 07, 2017, 12:32:45 PM »
Why are you so focused on paleothic and copper age eras? You do realized that both my people and yours have long been mixed since then. You even had Assyrian and Jewish in you - I'm sure other Yazidis would too today. And I'm also sure that (Islamic) Kurds would have a lot of Arab in them due to Arab conquest and Islamicization. Now you may have been pure 3000-10,000 years, but you're not so pure now. Even Assyrians, mind you.
Because we have got ancient DNA of the ancient people, even from the people from the era of the mighty Medes.

And when you compare the ancient DNA of the Medes with the modern Kurdish DNA, it is practically the same. No other people on this planets are closer to the ancient Medes than the Kurds.

I don't think that Kurds have much of the Arab DNA in them, because Kurds are tribal people. If Kurds would mix with other races our tribes would disappear. But there are still Kurdish tribes. It is a reality. We Kurds know the origin of our tribes and our tribes are native to the Kurdish Aryan Zagros mountains. All 'real' Kurdish tribes have Kurdish roots.

Kurdistan is a mountain region. The mountains are our best friends. Because of the mountains there never took much mixing, because we are isolated from other people due to the mountains. The mountains preserved our race.


If they found out that modern Kurds are not close to ancient Copper Age Aryans, it would be world news and everybody would use it against the Kurds, LMAO. But since we have the GENETIC evidence that Kurds are practically identical to the Copper Age Aryans (Medes) enemies of the Kurds are trivializing this very important fact that Kurds are practically unchanged as an Aryan race for about 3500 of years.

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Indo-European isn't even a race and it's a blur. Assyrians are no more or less "Indo-European" than actual Indo-European speaking folks like Afghans, Pakis, Indians and even some southern Iranians, who would have Mongoloid, Australoid and even Negroid mixing. And since, as you proclaim, Indo European urheimat was in eastern Turkey, the peoples in the surrounding the region would be more "Indo-European" than those in central Asia (who speak the language), who are Turkic looking.
Indo-European is a language family group. There is still some genetic connection between all the Indo-European speakers.

I don't think that East Iranian South Central Asians are less Indo-European than the Assyrians. South Central Asians are actually very East Iranid. They have much, much, much more Caucaso-Gedrosia DNA in them than the Assyrians.

Caucaso-Gedrosia auDNA marker is an Aryan/Iranian marker. Even the people of the Steppes, who were the SECOND stage Indo-Europeans who invaded Europe were for a HUGE part Caucaso-Gedrosia people.

East Iranian South Central Asians are much more 'Iranid' than Assyrians, since they have much more Caucaso-Gedrosia auDNA in them.

I'm not sure about the native Caucaus people, though. I believe that the native people of the Caucasus, like Georgians or Adygeans are even more 'Iranid' that the actual 'East Iranian' people. Because some native Caucasian people like Adygeans have also a lot Caucaso-Gedrosia auDNA in them.

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Look at your diagrams properly - The first farmers were Levantines. Except, you can clearly see that they migrated into Mesopotamia and then into Caucasus. Humans will always migrate. Go back 20,000 years and they are in Africa. Your people also came from there, as did mine. Those from the Levant were the ones who moved to the Caucasus and eastern Europe. Some stayed of course. The actual original Proto-Indo Europeans were Near Easterners/Levantines. They gave rise to your people thousands of years later, who started to speak IE first, and your people gave rise to the rest of the other Indo-European speaking people. You didn't evolve or come out of thin air in Mesopotamia.

Btw, IE urheimat being in eastern Turkey is hypothesis. Other proposals have the urheimat in Central Asia and Eastern Europe. So we just don't know really. Even the Afro-Asiatic language is theorized to origin in the Levant (as instead of eastern Africa), where it then spread to Africa.
No, you are making a mistake. Ancient NEOLITHIC FARMERS from the Iranian Plateau belonged to a very different race than the Levant people. Iran_N and Levant_N were very different people.

Iran_N were the farmers and they very very different from Levant_N.


You are talking about the 'Anatolian Farmers'. The Anatolian Farmers had some Levant_N admixture. And the Anatolian Farmers later mixed with the Iranian Plateau farmers. That's how modern Kurds have some Levant_N auDNA. The Kurds got the (Semitic) Levant_N auDNA mosly from the Anatolian farmers


As you can see there is an arrow from the Levant_N to Anatolian_Chl and Anatolian_N. There is NO direct arrow from Levant to Iran.


Anatolia intermediated between Levant and Iranian Plateau.



There is a GENETIC evidence that proto-Indo-Europeans came from an area between the 'Armenian Plateau' and Northwest Iranian Plateau. Second stage Indo-Europeans in the Yamnaya Horizon were for a huge part heavily influenced by 'Caucaso-Gedrosia' people. Many Indo-European cultures, like Leyla-Tepe and the Maykop culture predate the Yamnaya culture.

We had the archaeological evidences than Proto-Indo-Europeans came from the Middle East and now we have got a genetic evidence for that too.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #41 on: July 07, 2017, 12:35:10 PM »
But NEVER forget that of ALL modern people in the world today, the Kurds are the closest people to the mighty ancient Aryan Medes.

Kurdish DNA is practically identical to the Copper Age Aryan Medes. No race is closer to the DNA of the Aryan Medes than the Kurdish race. And now we have got a genetic evidence for this fact.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2017, 09:24:23 AM »
If l understand this guy correctly he ignore all the evidence you give him and say what he want to say, so all just ignore him.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #43 on: July 08, 2017, 02:28:59 PM »
If l understand this guy correctly he ignore all the evidence you give him and say what he want to say, so all just ignore him.

yes lol.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #44 on: July 08, 2017, 08:50:44 PM »
If l understand this guy correctly he ignore all the evidence you give him and say what he want to say, so all just ignore him.
Lol, do you think I'm a ignorant retard. If you claim something you should support it with the scientific/academic evidence.

I know it is very difficult for you to accept soemthing about someone you really hate. But you like it or not, Kurds are ARYAN people. Kurds are the direct descendants of the mighty Medes. It has been proven by DNA. Our native language is Aryan. Kurdish is an Aryan (West Iranian) language.

Kurds don't speak AFRO-Asiatic Semitic dialect. Kurds speak a purest Aryan language...

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #45 on: July 09, 2017, 08:50:13 AM »
I don't think that Kurds have much of the Arab DNA in them, because Kurds are tribal people. If Kurds would mix with other races our tribes would disappear. But there are still Kurdish tribes. It is a reality. We Kurds know the origin of our tribes and our tribes are native to the Kurdish Aryan Zagros mountains. All 'real' Kurdish tribes have Kurdish roots.
Then why are the majority of Kurds Muslims? They didn't just convert by hearing about Islam. I'm pretty sure that some, just some of them, mixed with Arabs.

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Indo-European is a language family group. There is still some genetic connection between all the Indo-European speakers. 
We're all related to an extent anyway. It's a nuanced continuum. Assyrians are still vastly more closer to Turkic speaking people like the Turks and Indians too (if you want to go far) than to Nigerians, who predominantly speak an Afro-Asiatic language. So don't language families too much for granted.

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I don't think that East Iranian South Central Asians are less Indo-European than the Assyrians. South Central Asians are actually very East Iranid. They have much, much, much more Caucaso-Gedrosia DNA in them than the Assyrians.
Is that a modern DNA result or a copper age one? If they're pure Caucasians, then why do they have Mongoloid features? Looked at Afghans? They look more Turkic than actual Turks. Just saying.

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Caucaso-Gedrosia auDNA marker is an Aryan/Iranian marker. Even the people of the Steppes, who were the SECOND stage Indo-Europeans who invaded Europe were for a HUGE part Caucaso-Gedrosia people.
I'm lost now. Are you native to the Caucasus, the Zagros in Iran or Mesopotamia? Choose one place already. Lol.

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You are talking about the 'Anatolian Farmers'. The Anatolian Farmers had some Levant_N admixture. And the Anatolian Farmers later mixed with the Iranian Plateau farmers. That's how modern Kurds have some Levant_N auDNA. The Kurds got the (Semitic) Levant_N auDNA mosly from the Anatolian farmers
Not going to disagree with that. But why does it matter where we all come from anyway? We're from the Levant, you're Iranid. So what? What makes a Levant farmer better or worse than Iranid or Anatolian farmers? How does a nomadic lifestyle from thousands of yours ago benefit you?

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As you can see there is an arrow from the Levant_N to Anatolian_Chl and Anatolian_N. There is NO direct arrow from Levant to Iran.
Bonus question that I have been pondering about: Where were the Iranids 20,000-30,000 years ago? Surely they were NOT in Iran or the Caucasus all the time. You must confess and realize that they did come out from Africa or eastern Levant one time history.

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Anatolia intermediated between Levant and Iranian Plateau.
Even basic geography agrees with that. ;)

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There is a GENETIC evidence that proto-Indo-Europeans came from an area between the 'Armenian Plateau' and Northwest Iranian Plateau. Second stage Indo-Europeans in the Yamnaya Horizon were for a huge part heavily influenced by 'Caucaso-Gedrosia' people. Many Indo-European cultures, like Leyla-Tepe and the Maykop culture predate the Yamnaya culture.
Not denying that. There is genetic evidence that we all came from Africa. Doesn't mean we're all subsaharan African. If a modern, Swedish "Indo-European" gets a DNA test he will not match with Iranid peoples and the likes. If a modern Iranian person gets a test, he will still cluster more closely (not dramatically, mind you) to Levantine people than with Danes, Swedes or other Indo-European speakers in Europe.

Somehow, you want to make Indo-Europeans (from Icelandic people to Afghans) to have some sort of a close genetic relation, when that isn't the case in the modern DNA department. You still have more in common with other Middle Easterners and Western Asians (including Armenians) than with, say, the French or Russians.

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We had the archaeological evidences than Proto-Indo-Europeans came from the Middle East and now we have got a genetic evidence for that too.
This isn't news. The Middle East would have been a birth to many language families, after Africa. Language started in Africa, where it then dispersed out of the continent, into the Levant (where Semitic was formed), to Mesopotamia, Iran (Indo European, in your case), the Caucasus (Kartvellian) and eventually into the east (Turkic) and Europe.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #46 on: July 09, 2017, 03:20:47 PM »
Then why are the majority of Kurds Muslims? They didn't just convert by hearing about Islam. I'm pretty sure that some, just some of them, mixed with Arabs.
We're all related to an extent anyway. It's a nuanced continuum. Assyrians are still vastly more closer to Turkic speaking people like the Turks and Indians too (if you want to go far) than to Nigerians, who predominantly speak an Afro-Asiatic language. So don't language families too much for granted.
Is that a modern DNA result or a copper age one? If they're pure Caucasians, then why do they have Mongoloid features? Looked at Afghans? They look more Turkic than actual Turks. Just saying.
I'm lost now. Are you native to the Caucasus, the Zagros in Iran or Mesopotamia? Choose one place already. Lol.
Not going to disagree with that. But why does it matter where we all come from anyway? We're from the Levant, you're Iranid. So what? What makes a Levant farmer better or worse than Iranid or Anatolian farmers? How does a nomadic lifestyle from thousands of yours ago benefit you?
Bonus question that I have been pondering about: Where were the Iranids 20,000-30,000 years ago? Surely they were NOT in Iran or the Caucasus all the time. You must confess and realize that they did come out from Africa or eastern Levant one time history.
Even basic geography agrees with that. ;)
Not denying that. There is genetic evidence that we all came from Africa. Doesn't mean we're all subsaharan African. If a modern, Swedish "Indo-European" gets a DNA test he will not match with Iranid peoples and the likes. If a modern Iranian person gets a test, he will still cluster more closely (not dramatically, mind you) to Levantine people than with Danes, Swedes or other Indo-European speakers in Europe.

Somehow, you want to make Indo-Europeans (from Icelandic people to Afghans) to have some sort of a close genetic relation, when that isn't the case in the modern DNA department. You still have more in common with other Middle Easterners and Western Asians (including Armenians) than with, say, the French or Russians.
This isn't news. The Middle East would have been a birth to many language families, after Africa. Language started in Africa, where it then dispersed out of the continent, into the Levant (where Semitic was formed), to Mesopotamia, Iran (Indo European, in your case), the Caucasus (Kartvellian) and eventually into the east (Turkic) and Europe.

stop feeding the troll please. And yes, all Kurds have at least one Arab/Assyrian/Semitic ancestor. I can somewhat say the same for Persians although modern persians are more likely to be a mix of every ancient Iranic people.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #47 on: July 09, 2017, 06:44:57 PM »
I'm just going to nip this entire thread in the bud with this statement.

Even if Kurds are descendants of the Medes, what about other Iranian people? I'm very sure that many if not hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of Persians, Balochis, or even Luris have Median ancestry.

Secondly, not much is really known about the Medes in terms of culture so how do Kurds know what part of their culture was originally Median compared to Iranian in general? Kurds celebrate Newroz which is no different from Persian Nowruz and the holiday was invented by Mesopotamia...

Language scholars have already figured that Kurdish is related more to Parthian than Median. Kurdish does have Median words but so does every other Iranic language.

An important note is that a Median empire never existed. There's no archaeological or local writings. The post-empire Assyrians didn't write about a Median empire and the Babylonians didn't write about a Median empire nor did the Persians. The only person to claim a median empire was Herodotus.

So no, Kurds are not (direct) descendants of Medes. If you don't like it, deal with it and come back with evidence and a clear timeline of how Medes became Kurds.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #48 on: July 09, 2017, 07:08:11 PM »
I'm just going to nip this entire thread in the bud with this statement.

Even if Kurds are descendants of the Medes, what about other Iranian people? I'm very sure that many if not hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of Persians, Balochis, or even Luris have Median ancestry.

Secondly, not much is really known about the Medes in terms of culture so how do Kurds know what part of their culture was originally Median compared to Iranian in general? Kurds celebrate Newroz which is no different from Persian Nowruz and the holiday was invented by Mesopotamia...

Language scholars have already figured that Kurdish is related more to Parthian than Median. Kurdish does have Median words but so does every other Iranic language.

An important note is that a Median empire never existed. There's no archaeological or local writings. The post-empire Assyrians didn't write about a Median empire and the Babylonians didn't write about a Median empire nor did the Persians. The only person to claim a median empire was Herodotus.

So no, Kurds are not (direct) descendants of Medes. If you don't like it, deal with it and come back with evidence and a clear timeline of how Medes became Kurds.
The Medes were NORTH West Iranian people. Like Kurds are the NORTH West Iranian people. Persians are SOUTH West Iranian people.


Once again Kurds are NORTH West Iranian people, like the Medes. Persians are SOUTH West Iranian people. Central Asian Iranian people are EAST Iranian people.

Parthians were basically Medes with extra Scythian ancestry. Like the Medes and Kurds, also the Parthians were NORTH West Iranian people.

Parthians = 80 % Medes + 20% Scythian (Saka/Parni from Central Asia).



We have DNA as evidence. We have ancient Copper Age DNA from the ERA of the Medes. And that DNA is identical to the modern day Kurdish DNA!
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #49 on: July 09, 2017, 07:23:07 PM »
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Then why are the majority of Kurds Muslims? They didn't just convert by hearing about Islam. I'm pretty sure that some, just some of them, mixed with Arabs.
What the hell are you talking about?

Islam is just a religion and NOT ethno-religion.

Indonesia is the biggest Muslim country in the world with more than 250 million Muslims. Pakistan is also a Muslim country. There are many Muslim nations in Northern Caucasus and even in Europe. Are all those people also mixed with the Arabs?

Are Indonesians Arabs?

The legendary boxer Mohammed Ali became a Muslim. Does he also have Arab roots?




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We're all related to an extent anyway. It's a nuanced continuum. Assyrians are still vastly more closer to Turkic speaking people like the Turks and Indians too (if you want to go far) than to Nigerians, who predominantly speak an Afro-Asiatic language. So don't language families too much for granted.
Doesn't matter to what extend we are related, but we are also very different from each other.


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Is that a modern DNA result or a copper age one? If they're pure Caucasians, then why do they have Mongoloid features? Looked at Afghans? They look more Turkic than actual Turks. Just saying.
In Afghanistan live many different races. Tajiks, Pashtuns and Uzbeks. But East Iranian Afghans, no matter how much they are mixed with the Mongoloid people, are still much more Iranian than the Assyrians etc.


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I'm lost now. Are you native to the Caucasus, the Zagros in Iran or Mesopotamia? Choose one place already. Lol.
Iranian Plateau.

Zagros Mountains and the Northern Mesopotamia like Shengal are all part of the Iranian Plateau



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Bonus question that I have been pondering about: Where were the Iranids 20,000-30,000 years ago? Surely they were NOT in Iran or the Caucasus all the time. You must confess and realize that they did come out from Africa or eastern Levant one time history.
Nobody knows that. We don't have ancient DNA that old.

What we have got is ancient DNA from the Levant and the Zagros Mountains of 10000 years old. And those people were very different from each other. There was more distance than between African and people from China.


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Somehow, you want to make Indo-Europeans (from Icelandic people to Afghans) to have some sort of a close genetic relation, when that isn't the case in the modern DNA department. You still have more in common with other Middle Easterners and Western Asians (including Armenians) than with, say, the French or Russians.
There has always been a difference between the ancient Iranian people and the European people.

The mighty ARAYN Medes were like Kurds NORTH West Iranian people and NOT Celtic, Germanic or Slavic. That's why Medes were West Iranic (Aryan) and NOT Slavic, Celtic or Germanic. Once again, the Medes were WEST Iranic native to Kurdistan. Identical to modern day Kurds.


The Medes were not like people from Iceland. The ancient Medes and the ancient Persians were like modern day Kurds and modern day Persians.




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This isn't news. The Middle East would have been a birth to many language families, after Africa. Language started in Africa, where it then dispersed out of the continent, into the Levant (where Semitic was formed), to Mesopotamia, Iran (Indo European, in your case), the Caucasus (Kartvellian) and eventually into the east (Turkic) and Europe.
Who cares.

But this thread was started to tr0ll the Kurds. Of course Kurds are the direct descendants of the Medes. We have DNA as evidence.

Like the Medes, Kurds are considered to be NORTH West Iranian people. Our language is older and much more pure than Persian, which is a SOUTH West Iranian language.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #50 on: July 09, 2017, 07:30:09 PM »
The Medes were NORTH West Iranian people. Like Kurds are the NORTH West Iranian people. Persians are SOUTH West Iranian people.


Once again Kurds are NORTH West Iranian people, like the Medes. Persians are SOUTH West Iranian people. Central Asian Iranian people are EAST Iranian people.

Parthians were basically Medes with extra Scythian ancestry. Like the Medes and Kurds, also the Parthians were NORTH West Iranian people.

Parthian = 80 % Medes + 20% Scythian (Saka from Central Asia).



We have DNA as evidence. We have ancient Copper Age DNA from the ERA of the Medes. And that DNA is identical to the modern day Kurdish DNA!

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #51 on: July 09, 2017, 08:50:10 PM »

We have DNA as evidence. We have ancient Copper Age DNA from the ERA of the Medes. And that DNA is identical to the modern day Kurdish DNA!


So does everybody else...

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #52 on: July 09, 2017, 09:50:45 PM »
So does everybody else...
I don't understand you. The Copper Age DNA from Zagros was the closest match with the Kurds. Modern Assyrian, Armenian, Arab, Turkish DNA is different from the Copper Age Median era DNA from Zagros.


Of course Kurds have some relatives. Kurds are not the only people who are NorthWest Iranian and who are the direct descendants of the Medes. There are some small nations in North West Iran who also speak a North West Iranian language and who are also genetically very close to the Kurds, but their populations are very, very smal. Just a few hundred thousand.

With 50 million people, the Kurdish nation is the biggest NORTH West Iranian population in the world.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #53 on: July 09, 2017, 09:59:01 PM »
It is also very stupid to say that Kurds are mixed with Arabs because Kurds are Muslims. It is as stupid as to say that English people are mixed with Assyrians because English people are Christians.


Christianity by country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country

do all this people have Assyrian roots?


or

Islam by country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

do all those countrie have Arab roots?


Once again, Islam or Christianity are NOT ethno-religions. They are just religions...



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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #54 on: July 09, 2017, 10:12:03 PM »
What the hell are you talking about?

Islam is just a religion and NOT ethno-religion.

Indonesia is the biggest Muslim country in the world with more than 250 million Muslims. Pakistan is also a Muslim country. There are many Muslim nations in Northern Caucasus and even in Europe. Are all those people also mixed with the Arabs?

Are Indonesians Arabs?

The legendary boxer Mohammed Ali became a Muslim. Does he also have Arab roots?

You do realize that Islam was spread by violence and rape? FYI, Indonesians do have a little bit of Arab in them, as do Central Asians. Kurds, in comparison, would have more. Why? They're simply in the Middle East and closer to Arabs. So intermixing would be occurring more due to the close distance.

Feeble analogy. Mohammed Ali was a single Muslim convert (NOT even a Muslim by birth). He probably descended from predominant Christian Africans, as did many other African Americans.

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Zagros Mountains and the Northern Mesopotamia like Shengal are all part of the Iranian Plateau

No region of Mesopotamia is part of the Iranian Plateau. You do realize that Mesopotamia is made up of relatively flat plains? It's hardly a plateau. The farthest periphery in Northern Iraq, where the Zagros form, are part of the Plateau. And they make up, what? 1% of Mesopotamia? 99% of Mesopotamia has nothing to do with the Plateau. So geography and geology simply disagree with you here. Refer to this map:



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Nobody knows that. We don't have ancient DNA that old.

What we have got is ancient DNA from the Levant and the Zagros Mountains of 10000 years old. And those people were very different from each other. There was more distance than between African and people from China.

Um, we do have ancient DNA. We are all traced to Africa. Your people didn't spawn in the Zagros out of nowhere. They all eventually came from the African continent, like we all did. Sure, some were more recent or belated exports, but we all came from one place. And so what?

Nope, we're not that different, especially today. You're making a severe overstatement. Levant farmers and Iranid people are as different as Slavs and Italics - Similar peoples, but a wholly differing culture and moderately distinct looks. Your hatred and disgust of Levantines wouldn't make them so distinct to you. Heck, your own gedmatch had Assyrian and Jewish. Last time I checked, Africans don't even have east Asian in them (and vice versa). Lmao.

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There has always been a difference between the ancient Iranian people and the European people.

The mighty ARAYN Medes were like Kurds NORTH West Iranian people and NOT Celtic, Germanic or Slavic. That's why Medes were West Iranic (Aryan) and NOT Slavic, Celtic or Germanic. Once again, the Medes were WEST Iranic native to Kurdistan. Identical to modern day Kurds.

The Medes were not like people from Iceland. The ancient Medes and the ancient Persians were like modern day Kurds and modern day Persians.

You did not get my point. You just said earlier that all Indo-European speakers have a genetic relation (in which they do), and you seemed to emphasize on that part. All I said was that it's blurred nowadays - Kurds are still closer to Assyrians and Jews than to Swedes, Danes and other Indo-Europeans from Europe. And you should agree with this fact.

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Who cares.

But this thread was started to tr0ll the Kurds. Of course Kurds are the direct descendants of the Medes. We have DNA as evidence.

Like the Medes, Kurds are considered to be NORTH West Iranian people. Our language is older and much more pure than Persian, which is a SOUTH West Iranian language.

Well, apparently you care. You're the one who is preoccupied with languages and races. You just said that Indo-European came from the Middle East and I was like of course, since most languages derived from the Near East and Africa.

stop feeding the troll please. And yes, all Kurds have at least one Arab/Assyrian/Semitic ancestor. I can somewhat say the same for Persians although modern persians are more likely to be a mix of every ancient Iranic people.

His opinions surely are a bit too far-fetched, but he doesn't seem like a troll and he seems like a debater. He does provide sources and he has good eloquence, I give him that.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #55 on: July 09, 2017, 10:49:17 PM »
You do realize that Islam was spread by violence and rape? FYI, Indonesians do have a little bit of Arab in them, as do Central Asians. Kurds, in comparison, would have more. Why? They're simply in the Middle East and closer to Arabs. So intermixing would be occurring more due to the close distance.

Feeble analogy. Mohammed Ali was a single Muslim convert (NOT even a Muslim by birth). He probably descended from predominant Christian Africans, as did many other African Americans.
No region of Mesopotamia is part of the Iranian Plateau. You do realize that Mesopotamia is made up of relatively flat plains? It's hardly a plateau. The farthest periphery in Northern Iraq, where the Zagros form, are part of the Plateau. And they make up, what? 1% of Mesopotamia? 99% of Mesopotamia has nothing to do with the Plateau. So geography and geology simply disagree with you here. Refer to this map:


Um, we do have ancient DNA. We are all traced to Africa. Your people didn't spawn in the Zagros out of nowhere. They all eventually came from the African continent, like we all did. Sure, some were more recent or belated exports, but we all came from one place. And so what?

Nope, we're not that different, especially today. You're making a severe overstatement. Levant farmers and Iranid people are as different as Slavs and Italics - Similar peoples, but a wholly differing culture and moderately distinct looks. Your hatred and disgust of Levantines wouldn't make them so distinct to you. Heck, your own gedmatch had Assyrian and Jewish. Last time I checked, Africans don't even have east Asian in them (and vice versa). Lmao.
You did not get my point. You just said earlier that all Indo-European speakers have a genetic relation (in which they do), and you seemed to emphasize on that part. All I said was that it's blurred nowadays - Kurds are still closer to Assyrians and Jews than to Swedes, Danes and other Indo-Europeans from Europe. And you should agree with this fact.
Well, apparently you care. You're the one who is preoccupied with languages and races. You just said that Indo-European came from the Middle East and I was like of course, since most languages derived from the Near East and Africa.
His opinions surely are a bit too far-fetched, but he doesn't seem like a troll and he seems like a debater. He does provide sources and he has good eloquence, I give him that.


stop feeding the troll that doesn't contribute anything.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #56 on: July 10, 2017, 04:46:03 AM »
You do realize that Islam was spread by violence and rape? FYI, Indonesians do have a little bit of Arab in them, as do Central Asians. Kurds, in comparison, would have more. Why? They're simply in the Middle East and closer to Arabs. So intermixing would be occurring more due to the close distance.
Stupid thinking. Kurds are tribal people and Kurdistan is a MOUNTAINIOUS area. Not many Arabs could reach Kurdish Mountains and mix with the Kurds who were isolated in the mountains at the first place.

According to our DNA there is no evidence at all that Kurds mixed with the Arabs. Kurds have still the same DNA as Copper Age Aryans


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No region of Mesopotamia is part of the Iranian Plateau. You do realize that Mesopotamia is made up of relatively flat plains? It's hardly a plateau. The farthest periphery in Northern Iraq, where the Zagros form, are part of the Plateau. And they make up, what? 1% of Mesopotamia? 99% of Mesopotamia has nothing to do with the Plateau. So geography and geology simply disagree with you here.
You don't knwo what the Northern Mesopotamia is. It is you problem and not my problem


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Um, we do have ancient DNA. We are all traced to Africa. Your people didn't spawn in the Zagros out of nowhere. They all eventually came from the African continent, like we all did. Sure, some were more recent or belated exports, but we all came from one place. And so what?
We don't know that yet. We don't have ancient DNA that old to compare. Multiregional origin of modern humans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiregional_origin_of_modern_humans



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Nope, we're not that different, especially today. You're making a severe overstatement. Levant farmers and Iranid people are as different as Slavs and Italics - Similar peoples, but a wholly differing culture and moderately distinct looks. Your hatred and disgust of Levantines wouldn't make them so distinct to you. Heck, your own gedmatch had Assyrian and Jewish. Last time I checked, Africans don't even have east Asian in them (and vice versa). Lmao.
No, if you watch to the map you can clearly see that Neolithic Levant farmers and Neolithic Iranian farmers were very different races





Kurds are still VERY close to the ancient Iranian people.


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You did not get my point. You just said earlier that all Indo-European speakers have a genetic relation (in which they do), and you seemed to emphasize on that part. All I said was that it's blurred nowadays - Kurds are still closer to Assyrians and Jews than to Swedes, Danes and other Indo-Europeans from Europe. And you should agree with this fact.
Not sure about the Jews. And about what kind of Jews are talking about? European Jews are still much closer to the Europeans than Kurds. Jews are VERY mixed and not a good proxy population.

It is possible that Assyrians are closer to West Iranian people than Celtic or Germanic or Slavic people. But that is because Assyrians are a very, vey small Afro-Asiatic Semitic population who is mixed with the Sumerians, Iranians, Armenians etc. from the very beginning.

Assyrians as a small population are very mixed people, that's why they cluster between the Levant people and Iranians. But the roots and origin of the Assyrian people (language) is Semitic. This is a fact.


Kurds are much closer to native West Asian people like Georgians and other Caucasians than to the Assyrians. And much closer to the native North West ASIAN people than to the European People. Why? Because Kurds are NATIVE to their homeland.

The reason why I'm saying this due to the fact that Kurds are still very close to the ancient Iranian/Aryan people



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Well, apparently you care. You're the one who is preoccupied with languages and races. You just said that Indo-European came from the Middle East and I was like of course, since most languages derived from the Near East and Africa.
I'm telling this because I don't want to show that Kurds are like Europeans, but to show that Kurds are actually NATIVE to Kurdistan. That Kurds are from nowhere but only from Kurdistan.

As a Kurd a do care about my roots and I do care about the origin of the Kurds. I don't care about Europeans or something. I only care about my own origin. And my origin is that I'm a direct product of the Medes, that Kurds are NORTH West Iranic people and we are NATIVE to Kurdistan.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #57 on: July 10, 2017, 06:35:56 AM »
Stupid thinking. Kurds are tribal people and Kurdistan is a MOUNTAINIOUS area. Not many Arabs could reach Kurdish Mountains and mix with the Kurds who were isolated in the mountains at the first place.

According to our DNA there is no evidence at all that Kurds mixed with the Arabs. Kurds have still the same DNA as Copper Age Aryans
Arabs invaded Western Asia, the Caucasus, Southern Europe, Western Asia and northern Africa. What makes you so sure that they weren't able reach the mountains in the foothills of their own region? You are funny. Let this map speak to you:



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You don't knwo what the Northern Mesopotamia is. It is you problem and not my problem
You lack geographical reasoning. And that's a problem. I don't mean that as an insult. Zagros mountains occur in the farthest reaches of Northern Iraq, near southeastern Turkey and northwest Iran. They are a highland and they are not in Mesopotamia, or "the land between two rivers", which are made up of flat plains. That's just plain geological fact. Look at a darn map for your own good before making falsities.

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We don't know that yet. We don't have ancient DNA that old to compare. Multiregional origin of modern humans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiregional_origin_of_modern_humans
I'll stick with the out of Africa theory because it's the one with the most evidence.

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No, if you watch to the map you can clearly see that Neolithic Levant farmers and Neolithic Iranian farmers were very different races


For the love of God, look at how close Jordanians/Syrians and Iranians/Turks cluster in the second pic? Do you realize that these are neighbouring ethnic groups, just like Malaysians, Singaporeans and Indonesians. They're not races. Again, I don't see how a neolithic era is so relevant in today's genealogy of our people.

*Cough* Where is the Assyrian marker, btw?

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Kurds are still VERY close to the ancient Iranian people.
To a high degree, yes.

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It is possible that Assyrians are closer to West Iranian people than Celtic or Germanic or Slavic people. But that is because Assyrians are a very, vey small Afro-Asiatic Semitic population who is mixed with the Sumerians, Iranians, Armenians etc. from the very beginning.
You make it seem like mixing is a bad thing. We're only that mixed because our empire sprawled towards a lot of ancient nations.

Iranians are mixed too. They are more Arab or Semitic than Kurds, even more so than us, because of Islam conquest. Have you seen how much some Iranians look very Saudi Arabian, especially those living in the gulf? Ancient Iranian people, before Islamicization, looked more "Caucasian" and akin to Armenians or those in the Caucasus.

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Assyrians as a small population are very mixed people, that's why they cluster between the Levant people and Iranians. But the roots and origin of the Assyrian people (language) is Semitic. This is a fact.
Stop making it so black and white. We only cluster between Levantines and Iranians because we're, NEWSFLASH, situated between the two regions of the Levant and Iran. This is not mixing. We just are that way. That's like saying Central Asians are mixed with Chinese people because they are Mongoloid looking. No, they look that way because they naturally share both Caucasian and Asian features, without any mixing.

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The reason why I'm saying this due to the fact that Kurds are still very close to the ancient Iranian/Aryan people.
And I'm not standing against that.

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I'm telling this because I don't want to show that Kurds are like Europeans, but to show that Kurds are actually NATIVE to Kurdistan. That Kurds are from nowhere but only from Kurdistan.
You are from the Iranian Plateau (NOT Mesopotamia), in the mountains, and you surely closely bordered our people. We were the ones in the plains of Mesopotamia. That's where we originated from. Yes, yes, maybe we came from a different homeland in the neolithic times, but that doesn't mean a thing. Our written history and culture began in Mesopotamia at the end of the day. Can you please acknowledge this?

P.S. Kurds did come from Medes. Couldn't care less either way. But you guys have a bit of Assyrian in you, just the same way we have Iranian in us. It goes both way. And let's embrace it.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #58 on: July 10, 2017, 02:34:16 PM »
Arabs invaded Western Asia, the Caucasus, Southern Europe, Western Asia and northern Africa. What makes you so sure that they weren't able reach the mountains in the foothills of their own region? You are funny. Let this map speak to you:
Because Arabs didn't migrate into those regions. They just conquered it. And later installed some rulers, That's all. But Arabs never moved into the mountains.

Modern Kurdish DNA doesn't have much of Arab DNA. Modern day Kurdish DNA is IDENTICAL to the Copper Age Aryan DNA from Zagros. If you compare modern Kurdish DNA with ancient DNA of Copper Age Medes you will find out that Kurdish DNA is very pure and didn't change for the last 3000 years


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You lack geographical reasoning. And that's a problem. I don't mean that as an insult. Zagros mountains occur in the farthest reaches of Northern Iraq, near southeastern Turkey and northwest Iran. They are a highland and they are not in Mesopotamia, or "the land between two rivers", which are made up of flat plains. That's just plain geological fact. Look at a darn map for your own good before making falsities.
Shengal is at the heart of the Mesopotamia. Shengal IS between the 2 rivers. It is in between.

And Shengal is part of the Zagros Mountain Range, Shengal is part of the Zagros.

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For the love of God, look at how close Jordanians/Syrians and Iranians/Turks cluster in the second pic? Do you realize that these are neighbouring ethnic groups, just like Malaysians, Singaporeans and Indonesians. They're not races. Again, I don't see how a neolithic era is so relevant in today's genealogy of our people.
The POINT is that Kurds are still very close to the ancient Iranian People.

But the modern Semites from the Levant are very shifted from the ancient Levant people toward the Iranian people.

Aryans dominated the Middle East for thousands of years. Afro-Asiatic Semitic Syrians and the Levant people are very mixed people. Originally they were like the Levant Farmers. But later on they mixed with the Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers, like the Sumerians.  It were those Aryan people who brought civilization into the Levant and Mesopotamia.


The thing is that Kurds are still on the same place as their ancestors, while Northern Semitic people are mixed and shifted away from the ancient Levant people, their original ancestors, because of the people like the Sumerians, Mitanni, Kassites, Medes, Kurds, Persians etc..

We were talking about the ancient Levant farmers. They belonged to a very different race than the Iranian Plateau Neolithic farmers.


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*Cough* Where is the Assyrian marker, btw?
here is where the Kurds cluster. the Kurds cluster between the Iranians/Persians and Adygeians (Northern Caucasians)



Assyrians cluster between the Armenians and Jews/modern Levant people.


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Iranians are mixed too. They are more Arab or Semitic than Kurds, even more so than us, because of Islam conquest. Have you seen how much some Iranians look very Saudi Arabian, especially those living in the gulf? Ancient Iranian people, before Islamicization, looked more "Caucasian" and akin to Armenians or those in the Caucasus.
I don't know bout what kind of Iranians you are talking about. In Iran live millions of Arabs.

But when we look at the Persians (Farsi) from the Caspian Sea area, they are not very mixed with the Arabs.


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You are from the Iranian Plateau (NOT Mesopotamia), in the mountains, and you surely closely bordered our people. We were the ones in the plains of Mesopotamia. That's where we originated from. Yes, yes, maybe we came from a different homeland in the neolithic times, but that doesn't mean a thing. Our written history and culture began in Mesopotamia at the end of the day. Can you please acknowledge this?
Shengal is the HEART of the Northern Mesopotamia. It is between the 2 rivers.

And Shengal is part of the Zagros Mountain Range and therefore the Iranian Plateau.



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P.S. Kurds did come from Medes. Couldn't care less either way. But you guys have a bit of Assyrian in you, just the same way we have Iranian in us. It goes both way. And let's embrace it.
I have never denied that Kurds have some Assyrian, mostly Chaldean DNA in them.

I think Kurds have for about 10% Semitic (mostly Chaldean) DNA in them. But it is much LESS than that the modern Assyrians and in particular Chaldeans have Iranian DNA in them.

I believe that the modern day Assyrians have for about 25% of the ancient Copper Age Iranian/Aryan (Median, Persian, Kurdish) DNA in them..

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #59 on: July 22, 2017, 09:12:22 PM »
Because Arabs didn't migrate into those regions. They just conquered it. And later installed some rulers, That's all. But Arabs never moved into the mountains.

Modern Kurdish DNA doesn't have much of Arab DNA. Modern day Kurdish DNA is IDENTICAL to the Copper Age Aryan DNA from Zagros. If you compare modern Kurdish DNA with ancient DNA of Copper Age Medes you will find out that Kurdish DNA is very pure and didn't change for the last 3000 years

Invade. Conquer. Migrate. They're all pretty much synonymous to each other in a degree. Some people got mixed with them. Some did NOT. There's a reason why some Spaniards and Sicilians have dark skin and curly hair, because of their Arab heritage. Does this mean every non-Arab is now mixed? Of course not.

Yazidis may be very pure because they maintained their indigenous religion. Muslim-practicing Kurds are not as pure as Yazidis. Again, I'm not saying they all have Arab admixture, but a few would. If they adopted Islam, what makes you so sure that they weren't raped by Islamic preachers? You do realize that Islam was spread by force and violence?

Why are you so hard-pressed about Kurds when you're a Yazidi? I understand that you're a Kurdish ethnicity, but you seem very defensive about Kurds, Iranians, etc. At least I admitted to you that Yazidis are a pure Iranian peoples. Muslim Iranian peoples certainly are not, due to Islam.

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Shengal is at the heart of the Mesopotamia. Shengal IS between the 2 rivers. It is in between.

And Shengal is part of the Zagros Mountain Range, Shengal is part of the Zagros.

Sinjar is part of Mesopotamia, but is NOT considered to be part of Zagros mountains (look this up). The Zagros mountains, which are to the north, bordering eastern Turkey and western Iran, are not in Mesopotamia - That was my point. You should've been specific earlier.

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But the modern Semites from the Levant are very shifted from the ancient Levant people toward the Iranian people.

And that's an issue because? We all have to start somewhere and end up elsewhere. Humans will always migrate. Above all, the distance between the Levant and Mesopotamia isn't so great. You would've had a compelling argument if, say, Levantines originated in Libya or Mongolia. Be satisfied that we were always in the Middle East.

What matters is that we started our rich culture and heritage in Mesopotamia. Even if we had mice DNA in us, we became a successful empire and left a legacy there. Go back a few thousand years, even your people would come from foreign lands.

What is your point here?

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Aryans dominated the Middle East for thousands of years. Afro-Asiatic Semitic Syrians and the Levant people are very mixed people. Originally they were like the Levant Farmers. But later on they mixed with the Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers, like the Sumerians.  It were those Aryan people who brought civilization into the Levant and Mesopotamia.

Such ignorance. Amazed you still use "Afro-Asiatic" to determine a person's ethnic background. Btw, you are also Asiatic - Western Asian, to be precise. People would care less about your language family. You are as Asian as Jordanians, Syrians and Jews.

There is no evidence that Sumerians were Iranians. Let go of this codswallop already. Again, they could have been the ancestors of both Akkadians and Iranians. We just don't know. Quit being so biased.

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The thing is that Kurds are still on the same place as their ancestors, while Northern Semitic people are mixed and shifted away from the ancient Levant people, their original ancestors, because of the people like the Sumerians, Mitanni, Kassites, Medes, Kurds, Persians etc..

1. There is no clear evidence that Assyrians came from the ancient Levant people. Speaking a Semitic language doesn't mean anything.
2. Really bold and biased of you to put Sumerians with actual Iranian peoples.
3. Even if we did come from the Levant, so what? It was 9000 years ago. We can all be mixed by now. Including you.

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We were talking about the ancient Levant farmers. They belonged to a very different race than the Iranian Plateau Neolithic farmers.

Yeah, right. So the Japanese and Chinese are also two very different races? Sorry, but they're just two distinct ethnic groups of the same Mediterranid race - Specifically, you are of the Irano-Afghan race, which is part of the Eastern Mediterranean race. But of course, you wouldn't being say that, as it goes against your Aryan agenda. God forbid you group us with your people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irano-Afghan_race

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here is where the Kurds cluster. the Kurds cluster between the Iranians/Persians and Adygeians (Northern Caucasians)



Assyrians cluster between the Armenians and Jews/modern Levant people.

Yeah, because the map totally shows where Assyrians are. Your last sentence is a conjecture at best and I will take it as anecdote until you find a diagram/source that confirms what you're saying.

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But when we look at the Persians (Farsi) from the Caspian Sea area, they are not very mixed with the Arabs.

Finally, you're getting it. Yes, they're more pure. Those bordering the Gulf would have Arab ancestry. This is a fact.

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And Shengal is part of the Zagros Mountain Range and therefore the Iranian Plateau.

Shengal is not part of the Zagros mountain range. It's an isolate mountain in the middle of the plains. It's close to the Zagros, but NOT part of them. Compare the two:




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I have never denied that Kurds have some Assyrian, mostly Chaldean DNA in them.

Chaldeans are not a disparate ethnic group. They are an Assyrian tribe. So there is no such thing as "Chaldean DNA". You can say Kurds have mixed with a few Catholic Assyrians in Northern Iraq.

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I think Kurds have for about 10% Semitic (mostly Chaldean) DNA in them. But it is much LESS than that the modern Assyrians and in particular Chaldeans have Iranian DNA in them.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #60 on: July 23, 2017, 07:10:46 AM »
Yazidis may be very pure because they maintained their indigenous religion. Muslim-practicing Kurds are not as pure as Yazidis. Again, I'm not saying they all have Arab admixture, but a few would. If they adopted Islam, what makes you so sure that they weren't raped by Islamic preachers? You do realize that Islam was spread by force and violence?

Yazidi don't exist.

In Kurdish (Kurmanji) those people are called Ezdi or Ezidi. My people call themselves 'Ezdi'.

'Em Ezdine' = We are EZDI !! This is how we pronounce it.




Stolen Kurdish women who were raped by Muslims, their bastard children aren't Kurds and don't speak Kurdish. Daddies of the children of those raped Kurdish women were not Kurdish and therefore those children were/are not Kurdish. Those stolen women were assimilated into Turanic Mongloid and Afro Asiatic races. Turks and Arabs are a product of mass raped people. That's why Turkish and Arab races are mongrel 'BASTARD' races. That's why Turks and Arbas act like bastards.


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Sinjar is part of Mesopotamia, but is NOT considered to be part of Zagros mountains (look this up). The Zagros mountains, which are to the north, bordering eastern Turkey and western Iran, are not in Mesopotamia - That was my point. You should've been specific earlier.

... Shengal is not part of the Zagros mountain range. It's an isolate mountain in the middle of the plains. It's close to the Zagros, but NOT part of them. Compare the two:

Shengal is the HEART of the Mesopotamia.

Mesopotamia = Shengal
Shengal = Mesopotamia

And Shengal is part of Zagros and therefore part of the Iranian Plateau. It is a SCIENTIFIC fact!! Sinjar is part of the Zagros Fold - Thrust Belt. Here are the ACADEMIC articles about it:


Facies Changes Between Kolosh and Sinjar Formations Along Zagros Fold–Thrust Belt in Iraqi Kurdistan Region

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285226964_Facies_Changes_Between_Kolosh_and_Sinjar_Formations_Along_Zagros_Fold-Thrust_Belt_in_Iraqi_Kurdistan_Region


Structure of the Zagros fold and thrust belt in the Kurdistan Region, northern Iraq

http://geol.uniovi.es/TDG/Volumen29/TG29-39.PDF


You can't change geology, how the Earth has been build, the structure of our planet.


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You are as Asian as Jordanians, Syrians and Jews.

I'm 100% (northwest) Asian.

Asia or being an Asian is not a race, but it is a geography.

Like being an European doesn't mean you belong to the same race. There are NATIVE Europeans like Saami, Laplanders who are Finno-Ugric who are Mongoloid people. Those Mongoloid Saami people are very different to the very native Basque people of Iberia.

geography is not a race. Kurds or even the Median Empire are/was by location Asian, but by race WEST Iranid (Aryan).


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There is no evidence that Sumerians were Iranians.

According to the Sumerians they came from the mountains. 1 of their 7 Gods (compared to the Ezdi  7 angels) Ninhursag was even a mother goddess of the mountains.

Read the Epic of Gilgamesh or an epic about 7 mountains to Arrata, or those epics are concetrated around ZUBI (Zagros) Mountains. Sumerian called their original land KUR-gal. Kur = montains


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Finally, you're getting it. Yes, they're more pure. Those bordering the Gulf would have Arab ancestry. This is a fact.
What is your point? In Iran live many different races/people. Iran is a MULTI-ethnic country.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnicities_in_Iran

MORE than 20% of people in Iran are Turks. This is more than 16 million people (of total population of 81 million)

There are 3% of Arabs in Iran who live mostly in Khuzestan province. = 2.5 million (81 x 0.03). 2.5 million Arabs live in Iran

Etc, etc.

But we were talking about the Iranid (ARYAN) Persian (Farsi) people. And Iranid Farsi people close to the Caspian Sea are not very much mixed with Arabs, those Farsi are even more mixed with the Turks than Arabs.

With other words, ethnic Persians have much, much more Mongoloid blood in them than Arabic/Semitic blood...


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Chaldeans are not a disparate ethnic group. They are an Assyrian tribe. So there is no such thing as "Chaldean DNA". You can say Kurds have mixed with a few Catholic Assyrians in Northern Iraq.
*Catholic Assyrian
At the times of the Medes, there was no such thing as Christianity. At the time of the Medes, Chaldeans, Babylonians were NOT Christians and definitely not Catholic.

Chaldeans PRE-date Christianity....


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