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Does Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Have Jewish or even Assyrian Roots?
« on: October 05, 2009, 11:22:23 PM »
The world has been transfixed this week by speculation that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a self-proclaimed devout Shiite Muslim infamous for his frequent anti-Semitic and anti-Israel remarks, may be of Jewish heritage. Jews may not be eager to claim him, but his family's religious history -- or even just the rumors surrounding it -- could have serious implications for Iranian foreign policy nonetheless.

Ahmadinejad has admitted that his family changed its name when he was young, but has provided few details. According to Iranian government documents and family members, his original family name was Sabourjian or "cloth-weavers." That name, although present among Muslim Iranians, often indicates a minority background. Despite the official position, another former family name alleged by Ahmadinejad watchers has been Sabaghian, or "cloth-dyers." It doesn't matter much which name it was, given the similarity of the jobs they describe: Traditionally in Iran, both the coloring and weaving of cloth were professions left to non-Muslims as religiously unclean activities.

Generally among Iranian Muslim family names, the ending -ian or -yan signifies a relationship to a profession or location. But this can also indicate an Armenian or even an Assyrian (Nestorian-Chaldean) background and, therefore, identify Muslims with a Christian family heritage -- something other observers have picked up on. However, Jewish cloth weavers and dyers were more common during the past century in the region around the family's hometown of Aradan than were Armenian and Assyrian weavers and dyers. Ahmadinejad's hometown of Aradan had a Jewish minority into modern times, the remnants of a community dating back to Silk Road traders during the 3rd to 6th centuries B.C. Likewise, both Sabour and Sabagh (or Sabbagh) were uncommon last names for Muslim cloth weavers and dyers.

As Ahmadinejad claims to be from a multigenerational Shiite family, the name change in the 1950s was unusual. It is true that, as Ahmadinejad's relatives have noted, there was steady migration from villages to Tehran during the late 19th and 20th centuries. But urbanizing families did not tend to change their names so radically -- not even to conceal humble backgrounds.

If Ahmadinejad is indeed of Jewish descent, his family's story represents a classic pattern for religious converts: Adopt Islam, leave the hometown where people might know you as a Jew, move to a new location where blending into the Muslim population is easier, take up different occupations, and, just in case anyone were to question their confessional fidelity, demonstrate zeal for Islam by attacking their former religion and other minority faiths.
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Re: Does Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Have Jewish or even Assyrian Roots?
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2009, 12:08:37 AM »
Wasn't it also claimed that Hitler may have been of Jewish heritage?  Interesting. :hmmm:

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Re: Does Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Have Jewish or even Assyrian Roots?
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2009, 12:25:25 AM »
Or could this be something that's being put out there to discredit him amongst a certain billion people on the planet?

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Re: Does Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Have Jewish or even Assyrian Roots?
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2009, 07:28:01 AM »
It's official... Jews control everything :blink:

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Re: Does Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Have Jewish or even Assyrian Roots?
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2009, 09:23:13 AM »
lool...khzoo peeslee deethee...definatly not Assyrian :D


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Re: Does Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Have Jewish or even Assyrian Roots?
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2009, 09:34:08 AM »
lool...khzoo peeslee deethee...definatly not Assyrian :D





Well, how about 'Ugliest Assyrian' then? lool

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Re: Does Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Have Jewish or even Assyrian Roots?
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2009, 05:52:58 PM »
Ashoor,

Many may claim any thing just like those who are trying today to justify the kurdish Occupation of Assyrian lands by claiming that some kurdish families were "Assyrian" but if that is the case then those must proclaim the lands in north Iraq as Assyria and not the foreign name which is being used. The same goes for any one else who makes claims. The main point being if whomever it is does not recognize their Assyrian origin what is their use to us ??? Isn't Andre Aghassi as an example an "Assyrian" ???

However, hopefully you will take this as a positive criticism and a correction, my comment is regarding a paragraph which you used the word "Nestorian" a misnomer for the Church of the East and a wrongful term at that used before because of ignorance and used by some today who are against the Church of the East as a heretical term. I have quoted part of the paragraph here: "Generally among Iranian Muslim family names, the ending -ian or -yan signifies a relationship to a profession or location. But this can also indicate an Armenian or even an Assyrian (Nestorian-Chaldean)" . When the term Nestorian is used out of context it means that the Church of the East followed Nestorius, something which is totally false because The Church of the East was founded in the first century AD at least 200 years even before Nestor or Nestorius existed.

It was Nestor who accepted that Mary was the mother of Christ as a human being and not the Mother of God as other Churches believe, something which centuries later the late Pope John Paul II acknowledged as being true, but still there are heads of Churches liek Shnouda III of the Coptic Church who use the term Nestorian as a heretic term (talk about Christian spirit by some one who is a Pope).

We should never use the term Nestorian even though Nestor was not at fault but on the other hand we were never his followers but because he had the same beliefs he is honored in the Church as a teacher. It is more accurate when mentioning the denominations within the Church of the East to write (Church of the East, Chaldean Catholic Church and Syrian(Syriac) Churhc).
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Re: Does Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Have Jewish or even Assyrian Roots?
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2009, 04:59:53 PM »
lool...khzoo peeslee deethee...definatly not Assyrian :D





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Re: Does Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Have Jewish or even Assyrian Roots?
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2009, 05:01:29 PM »
he is too ugly to be assyrian hahaha
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Re: Does Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Have Jewish or even Assyrian Roots?
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2011, 08:03:28 AM »
lool...khzoo peeslee deethee...definatly not Assyrian :D





I once had a childhood friend, she was of Assyrian ancestry and her father exhibited some morphological similarities to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
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Re: Does Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Have Jewish or even Assyrian Roots?
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2011, 12:51:59 PM »
Not Assyrian, There's many Persians who look like him, just like in my school

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Re: Does Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Have Jewish or even Assyrian Roots?
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2011, 08:02:36 PM »
It's official... Jews control everything :blink:
LOL!!!!  :loool:

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Re: Does Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Have Jewish or even Assyrian Roots?
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2011, 08:06:33 PM »
lool...khzoo peeslee deethee...definatly not Assyrian :D





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nasha! u are "offensing" him! lol  :mrgreen:

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Re: Does Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Have Jewish or even Assyrian Roots?
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2011, 08:07:59 PM »
Not Assyrian, There's many Persians who look like him, just like in my school
maybe they`re all assyrian! :blink:





naaa just kidding witcha! :mrgreen:

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Re: Does Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Have Jewish or even Assyrian Roots?
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2011, 11:31:38 AM »
maybe they`re all assyrian! :blink:





naaa just kidding witcha! :mrgreen:



Assyrians don't have a wide nose like his. and his eyebrows would've been bushier
and if that's all the facial hair he can really grow then I've already beat him lol

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Re: Does Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Have Jewish or even Assyrian Roots?
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2011, 01:18:15 PM »


Assyrians don't have a wide nose like his. and his eyebrows would've been bushier
and if that's all the facial hair he can really grow then I've already beat him lol


LOL! u serious????,,,,,,,,,,,,go shave!!!!!!!!  lol  :mrgreen:



yes they do! :blink:   how can u say that assyrians dont have a wide nose! :blink:,,,the only way to know if a guy (or girl) is assyrian is to look at the nose! :blink: :blush2: :mrgreen:

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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2011, 05:09:22 PM »
LOL! u serious????,,,,,,,,,,,,go shave!!!!!!!!  lol  :mrgreen:



yes they do! :blink:   how can u say that assyrians dont have a wide nose! :blink:,,,the only way to know if a guy (or girl) is assyrian is to look at the nose! :blink: :blush2: :mrgreen:
usually Assyrians have a big, hooked, and thin nose, not a wide one like his.

and no i dont wanna shave. makes me look mature

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Re: Does Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Have Jewish or even Assyrian Roots?
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2011, 05:28:16 PM »
usually Assyrians have a big, hooked, and thin nose, not a wide one like his.

and no i dont wanna shave. makes me look mature
LOL! hhhhhhhhhh..........boy we all know u are mature! :blink: :baby: :beee:, usually above 18 are mature! :shades:




yes! we do!....well maybe not wide, but at least BIG! :blink: :blush2:

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Re: Does Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Have Jewish or even Assyrian Roots?
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2011, 06:04:04 PM »
LOL! hhhhhhhhhh..........boy we all know u are mature! :blink: :baby: :beee:, usually above 18 are mature! :shades:




yes! we do!....well maybe not wide, but at least BIG! :blink: :blush2:
yea i meant that we dont have wide, the rest we have but not wide.

i had a beard before high school too >=D

 

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