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Statistics - Atheism in decline?
« on: February 14, 2017, 07:09:59 AM »
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Atheism is the fastest shrinking religion in the world. Atheism is in decline worldwide, with the number of atheists falling from 4.5% of the world's population in 1970 to 2.0% in 2010 and projected to drop to 1.8% by 2020,

Real surveys and statistics say atheism is on the decline worldwide. Sorry atheists but atheism is not on the rise nor is it winning. It's still the minority and a declining one at that.

The Pew Research Center's statistics show that atheism is expected to continue to decline all the way into 2050 with a continued growth of religion. Other research also shows a huge surge in growth for Christianity in China which is currently the world's most "atheist" nation because of the atheist communist government suppressing religion, the research suggests that China will soon become the world's most Christian nation within 15 years.

This is simply history repeating itself: Christianity prospered in Rome back in the ancient era when it was suppressed and it still grew in the militant atheist soviet Russia when it was suppressed there only a century ago with the majority of Russians today now also identifying as Christian. Just goes to show that atheist suppression of religion still doesn't stop religion.

Sources for the legion of whiny /Redditor/ fedoras that will no doubt show up it this thread:

http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/
http://www.pewforum.org/2012/12/18/global-religious-landscape-unaffiliated/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html
http://masterrussian.com/russia/facts.htm
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Re: Statistics - Atheism in decline?
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2017, 02:53:07 PM »
because usually, Atheists don't have many kids.

At most, they have usually 1-2 or none.
with 1 to 0 kids, you have decline obviously.
with 2, no change since you have kids that will replace you and your wife.

obviously, an atheist family requires 3+ kids if they want growth.

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Re: Statistics - Atheism in decline?
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2017, 03:13:51 PM »
because usually, Atheists don't have many kids.

At most, they have usually 1-2 or none.
with 1 to 0 kids, you have decline obviously.
with 2, no change since you have kids that will replace you and your wife.

obviously, an atheist family requires 3+ kids if they want growth.

It's also religious strictness and how 3rd world countries have more children.

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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2017, 06:45:58 PM »
It's also religious strictness and how 3rd world countries have more children.

they have more kids because they don't have wide availability of birth control, also improvements to medicine has ballooned their population. The same thing happened to Europe.

Europeans used to have 6-10 kids but alot of them died early, improvements in medicine made it so alot of these kids didn't early so the population ballooned because people were still having the same amount of kids but the kids weren't dying.

naturally, everybody started noticing this and the new generation had less kids, especially when life became more free to experience.

in another explanation, most atheists are highly educated and educated people don't have many kids because their outlook on life is that they want to experience life and focus on their careers or life projects instead of having families.

Realistically, you can still focus on a career/life project with a family but, in their minds, a family would just get in a way.

From this kind of thinking, atheists choose not to have kids.

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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2017, 12:52:30 AM »
they have more kids because they don't have wide availability of birth control, also improvements to medicine has ballooned their population. The same thing happened to Europe.

Europeans used to have 6-10 kids but alot of them died early, improvements in medicine made it so alot of these kids didn't early so the population ballooned because people were still having the same amount of kids but the kids weren't dying.

naturally, everybody started noticing this and the new generation had less kids, especially when life became more free to experience.

in another explanation, most atheists are highly educated and educated people don't have many kids because their outlook on life is that they want to experience life and focus on their careers or life projects instead of having families.

Realistically, you can still focus on a career/life project with a family but, in their minds, a family would just get in a way.

From this kind of thinking, atheists choose not to have kids.

This is why Muslims in the west will takeover Europe because they have the 3rd world mentality and fertility, in Australia all Muslim women in the city have double prams and are pregnant at the same time.

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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2017, 01:38:25 AM »
This is why Muslims in the west will takeover Europe because they have the 3rd world mentality and fertility, in Australia all Muslim women in the city have double prams and are pregnant at the same time.

Depends what generation and how assimilated they are. Most assimilated Muslims have less kids, are less religious, and even throw away the religion all together. New arrivals to a country will still have their old mentality but the new generation won't keep it unless you stop the Muslim community from separating itself.

the way the USA is designed is that if you don't assimilate, you will struggle in life. the Black community in the USA has already proven this.
If Muslims see that they don't have to assimilate to have it good, then they won't.

Best case example is the Orthodox Jews (the ones with the cowboy hats, black clothing, and braided sideburns) whom separate themselves from most of the society and simply setup their own businesses with each other.

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Re: Statistics - Atheism in decline?
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2017, 03:43:40 AM »
Depends what generation and how assimilated they are. Most assimilated Muslims have less kids, are less religious, and even throw away the religion all together. New arrivals to a country will still have their old mentality but the new generation won't keep it unless you stop the Muslim community from separating itself.

the way the USA is designed is that if you don't assimilate, you will struggle in life. the Black community in the USA has already proven this.
If Muslims see that they don't have to assimilate to have it good, then they won't.

Best case example is the Orthodox Jews (the ones with the cowboy hats, black clothing, and braided sideburns) whom separate themselves from most of the society and simply setup their own businesses with each other.


In a way yes for some but not the majority, but does this look like '2nd integration' to you?




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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2017, 09:45:30 AM »
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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2017, 10:16:07 AM »
In a way yes for some but not the majority, but does this look like '2nd integration' to you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMwwvDcR-VE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95GxhqjHZ3E&t=25s


UK barely assimilates their (Pakistani) Muslims and, even if they're assimilated, those Muslims are living off welfare which proves my point that they won't assimilate if there's no drive to do it.

I should probably explicitly state in my book for future Assyrians to never apply or do welfare at all.

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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2017, 12:56:33 AM »
UK barely assimilates their (Pakistani) Muslims and, even if they're assimilated, those Muslims are living off welfare which proves my point that they won't assimilate if there's no drive to do it.

I should probably explicitly state in my book for future Assyrians to never apply or do welfare at all.

What about sickness or disability?

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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2017, 03:34:24 PM »
What about sickness or disability?

sickness and disability would be handled by family... our culture is family based.
Hell, why not save welfare money to use it on helping cure/treat diseases such as cancer?

If welfare money went to cancer patients instead, it wouldn't be an issue but Leftists LOVE disasters and crises so they can use them to forward an agenda...

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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2017, 07:06:25 PM »
It's better the Assyrians collect welfare than nuxraye.
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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2017, 09:25:18 PM »
It's better the Assyrians collect welfare than nuxraye.


no, that'll ruin us. Welfare doesn't help, it ruins societies.
Just look at the current USA. Welfare keeps poor people poor because the poor realized that they don't have to get jobs or skills when welfare can take care of them. Especially in the case with single moms; they don't need to be married because Welfare has replaced the husband/father getting a check to feed his family.

Even CNN's Don Lemon says more than 72 percent of African-American births are out of wedlock. 72% of the newest generation of Black-Americans are BASTARDS...

http://www.businessinsider.com/children-of-parents-on-welfare-are-more-likely-to-be-on-welfare-2013-11
Kids of these welfare leeches then learn about this and become leeches themselves. Leeches breeding leeches.

Welfare will be a major drain on our government resources which could be used for BETTER things.

I refuse to let my nation of 6,000 years become leeches...

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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2017, 11:05:21 PM »
Oh, I don't know about you but Australia's welfare systems seem to be working.
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2017, 01:17:41 AM »
Oh, I don't know about you but Australia's welfare systems seem to be working.
Yes. Our welfare systems are really good.

America just has too many people. So I can see why their welfare is mediocre in comparison to ours.
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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2017, 05:25:10 PM »
Yes. Our welfare systems are really good.

America just has too many people. So I can see why their welfare is mediocre in comparison to ours.

America's welfare system wasn't planned well at all. You can use welfare if you're unemployed or have kids. Welfare in USA also gives cheap housing called Section 8 Housing.

Secondly, what will be the point of welfare in a state of our own when our churches will likely handle charities for the poor?

Thirdly, explain Australia's welfare system and tell me how it cannot be abused?

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« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2017, 11:28:21 PM »
Secondly, what will be the point of welfare in a state of our own when our churches will likely handle charities for the poor?

Thirdly, explain Australia's welfare system and tell me how it cannot be abused?
The church wouldn't be its own government. They will also rely on the government when it comes to money and charity. Therefore, a welfare system will be necessary.

Abused how? What do you mean here? Yes, we have a good welfare system. Mothers are paid by the government fortnightly. If the youngest kid reaches 15, then she has to find work, or else she will not be paid. Unfortunately, so many lazy parents have a lot of kids just so they get paid and so they don't have to work. Lol. Even unemployed job seekers are paid (well, if they abide to job seeking rules by attending job networks in their vicinity). That doesn't sound like a bad welfare system.

If you have high blood pressure, diabetes and other medical conditions, you don't have to work and the government will pay you. Additionally, even your carer is paid for that and they also don't have to look for jobs. Oh, some wacky things people do in here is faking accidents (or at least over-exaggerating the intensity of their injury), so they get a lifelong pensioner support. This is really slack, because many of these "victims" are such phonies, and are easily capable of doing strenuous work.
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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2017, 01:07:34 AM »
The church wouldn't be its own government. They will also rely on the government when it comes to money and charity. Therefore, a welfare system will be necessary.

Abused how? What do you mean here? Yes, we have a good welfare system. Mothers are paid by the government fortnightly. If the youngest kid reaches 15, then she has to find work, or else she will not be paid. Unfortunately, so many lazy parents have a lot of kids just so they get paid and so they don't have to work. Lol. Even unemployed job seekers are paid (well, if they abide to job seeking rules by attending job networks in their vicinity). That doesn't sound like a bad welfare system.

If you have high blood pressure, diabetes and other medical conditions, you don't have to work and the government will pay you. Additionally, even your carer is paid for that and they also don't have to look for jobs. Oh, some wacky things people do in here is faking accidents (or at least over-exaggerating the intensity of their injury), so they get a lifelong pensioner support. This is really slack, because many of these "victims" are such phonies, and are easily capable of doing strenuous work.

That is why our future country will not have a welfare system of any kind. there won't be any kind of "delooleh".

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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2017, 01:46:20 AM »
That is why our future country will not have a welfare system of any kind. there won't be any kind of "delooleh".
What's "delooleh"? You mean "dugleh" (lies)?
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« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2017, 10:08:02 AM »
What's "delooleh"? You mean "dugleh" (lies)?

delooleh means "weakening (them)".
I think the root is D-L-Y-L, we usually pronounce it as "dalel" which means "to thin out"

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« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2017, 08:01:56 PM »
delooleh means "weakening (them)".
I think the root is D-L-Y-L, we usually pronounce it as "dalel" which means "to thin out"
We say "dalel" for pampering. Not sure if it's an Assyrian cognate or an actual borrowed Arab word.

Good you know these complex or rare Assyrian words. But do you know how to put them in a sentence?
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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2017, 02:40:32 AM »
We say "dalel" for pampering. Not sure if it's an Assyrian cognate or an actual borrowed Arab word.

Good you know these complex or rare Assyrian words. But do you know how to put them in a sentence?

dalel means pampering because when you pamper someone, you're really "thinning them" (weakening them!)

put them in a sentence?

ܠܐ ܕܠܝܠܝܬܠܗܿ! -> "don't spoil her"
ܩܐ ܡܐ ܐܝܬ ܕܠܘܠܘܗܿ  -> "why are you spoiling her?"

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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2017, 04:01:21 AM »
dalel means pampering because when you pamper someone, you're really "thinning them" (weakening them!)

put them in a sentence?

ܠܐ ܕܠܝܠܝܬܠܗܿ! -> "don't spoil her"
ܩܐ ܡܐ ܐܝܬ ܕܠܘܠܘܗܿ  -> "why are you spoiling her?"
Could you have written them in Latin at least?

"La dalela" - Don't coddle her
"Qamoodeet daloolo?" - Why are you coddling her?

Is that how you wrote them grammatically?

*Coddle and pamper are synonyms. Spoil is more "ruining" than positively pampering someone.
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« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2017, 05:45:48 PM »
Could you have written them in Latin at least?

"La dalela" - Don't coddle her
"Qamoodeet daloolo?" - Why are you coddling her?

Is that how you wrote them grammatically?

*Coddle and pamper are synonyms. Spoil is more "ruining" than positively pampering someone.

Because in the Assyrian sense, coddling/pampering someone weakens them.

also, in terms of the topic at hand. Atheism isn't really declining, it's just that religious people (muslims) are having more kids on a yearly basis, thus it SEEMS like Atheism is declining but it's actually climbing but, taking the ratio of birth rates, Atheists will be more outnumbered unless these future religious adults become atheists themselves.

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