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A NEW WAR
« on: August 09, 2006, 08:53:06 PM »
I don't know about you guys, but I'm kind of sick of the phrase "war on terrorism" ... it's such a vague phrase and it doesn't really convey what we really should be at war against.

Let's call it what it is.... THIS IS A WAR AGAINST RADICAL ISLAM ..... You tell the people in the Middle East we're fighting terror and they think we're full of **** because in their minds they think Israel and even the US has committed terrorist activities.... We should be very clear, we have nothing against Israel, nothing against Palestine, nothing against Lebanon, nothing against Iraq, nothing against Islam even. WE DO NOT WANT RADICAL ISLAM TO EXIST, plain and simple.

I think we need a change in strategy because clearly what we're doing is not all that effective. I'm not saying the US Policy is poor, I'm not saying our Agenda is wrong... I'm not saying reforming Iraq and bringing about a change to democracy was a bad idea. What I'm saying is we need to clearly define what we stand against and will not tolerate and make it very clear to the people in the Middle East what we're fighting.

Radical Islam is a cancer not only to us, but to the Islamic religion. We need to somehow bring to the forefront the moderate Islamic movement and propogate this throughout the Middle East. One that is loyal to government leaders, not to radical islamic clerics who justify death and murder (what kind of religion is this anyways and why do the Islamic people tolerate this?) We need to bring reform within the Islamic religion itself and eliminate hatred and violence from their teachings.

The American people need to understand what's going on here. In the past several hundred years millions of Christians and Jews and even rival sects of Islam have been killed in the name of Allah. What has happened in the time of the Nazi's is happening again. People are being brainwashed into a cause where killing people based on race is justified. But now it's not only justified by their government leaders, it's justified by "GOD" (supposedly). We need to wake up the American people and make the people in the Middle East understand what the hell we're fighting for. We're not fighting to make them miserable. We're fighting to ensure freedom of religion, freedom of speech and freedom to elect your own government officials.

Clearly the Hezbollah leader is a radical Islamist and so is the Iranian leader because they both call for the destruction of Israel and America -- and to them this is not negotiable. There is no bargaining with them. What are you going to give these people? Money? Gold? Not even Land or Power. They want entire nations eliminated, no negotiations, no discussions. Anything short of this to them is unacceptable. And this attitude should not be acceptable to any free-thinking person in the world anywhere. I don't think the Syrian leader is a radical islamist or at least not yet. But We need to clearly define who are enemies are and why this battle needs to be fought. This is the most important thing in our lifetime we will ever be able to do for future generations, and that is to wipe out radical Islam once and for all.



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Re: A NEW WAR
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2006, 08:55:01 PM »
Born, let's be realistic here:

Let's just sit and wait like the far left wants us to, because there really isn't a Jihad. 

Sarcasm a bit.  But I agree with you to a point. 

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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2006, 08:55:08 PM »
By the way, my name is Yosef Adde, and I'm running for the office of President of the United States of America :)




(I wish someone would have the balls to tell the American people this).

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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2006, 09:39:23 PM »
There has to be at least one billion muslims in the world.  If you say you're declaring a war on radical islam, a vast majority of people aren't going to see the distinction and will assume its a war on all muslims.  And who is to say what's radical and what isn't?  You're saying the president of iran is radical, and I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but he was democratically elected.  Isn't that why there's US troops in Iraq right now?  Look at hamas, I'm sure you feel hamas is radical, yet they were democratically elected.  Hezbollah has members in the lebanese parliment. You can't just invade countries and force them to accept moderate islam, like you're showing them the light or something.  People don't need religion to teach them to be racist, hateful, and ignorant.  Just look at some of the posts on this website.


Its ok, I know its hard for you elephants to grasp the idea that all of the world's problems can't be solved by military invasion or cutting taxes.

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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2006, 09:48:40 PM »
Hooka, it's usually out of fear that moderate Islamists don't speak up.  It seems that about more than 15% support these radical groups and perhaps another small percentage are not speaking up.  That's a scary thought considering 1 billion people are Muslim.  That's half the size of the U.S. who openly support radical Islam.  I am not for going on just blowing things up, but if these men were truly "democractically" elected, then why are so many people quieted.  Remember, 60% of the population in Iran are moderate youths who opposed the Mullahs, yet the President is for the Mullahs.  It's a scary thought of what radical Islam is capable of and how many people they have reached around the globe spreading their propagande against the West. 

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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2006, 10:01:45 PM »
Do the moderates keep quiet because they are afraid, or because they tacitly approve but are smart enough not to wrap themselves up like ninjas and go on tv with a beaten up russian made ak-47 that they got from some ukranian garage sale?  You know why these radical islamists control their countries? Because the US and European governments allow it to happen.  They allow tyranical leaders to control the countries and to stay in power these tyrants keep the radicals in their back yard happy by supplying them with money and support.  The western governments see it as a trade off for having people that they have some kind of control over at the head of these countries.  Look at saudi arabia, their government is a "friend" to our government, yet they're some of the biggest supporters of radical islam.  I know you o'reiley lovers are sick of hearing about it but its all about oil my friend.  If you had open, democratic elections in every muslim country tomorrow, you'd have WWIII in a by the middle of next week.

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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2006, 10:10:51 PM »
I don't love O'Reilly, but I agree with his balanced views.  On the Saudi issue, I totally agree.  It's a shame how the U.S. and other western nations have relied so heavily on foreign oil even though our leaders suspect them of wrong doing.  We put ourselves in that position 30 years ago and I think we have dug our own graves.  You have to admit, our foreign policy 30 years ago is somewhat 180 degrees of what it is today, due to the fact of 9/11, London Bombings, Madrid, Bali, the list goes on and on.  But like I said, we have dug our own graves with this one and it's getting ever more difficult to climb out. 

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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2006, 10:13:32 PM »
Above all you know what sounds so stupid
Is when Mr Bush says "war on terror"

How can you declare war on a human emotion? What a tool.
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2006, 10:15:14 PM »
Great topic.

I will say this for now: what America is doing in the war on terror is great. I may not agree with the way they are doing it, but that is for another discussion.

If September 11 hadn't happened and if the US hadn't launched its war on terror and radical Islam, this virus would spread and could have taken over the world in a century or so from now.  The US learns from history and they know that just like Muhamad created a religion and convered millions, this new wave of radical Islam could double the number of Muslims and eventually dominate earth.

I think of it more in terms of a religious plan rather than a political one, since Islam doesn't seperate state from religion.



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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2006, 10:29:17 PM »
Hookah, do you really think Saudi Arabia continues to support radical islam now? No doubt they once had their hands in this however I think the last thing they want is a Shiite Islamic run Middle East, plus Osama betrayed them more or less, blowing up Saudi properties and terrorizing their people. It seems Saudi Arabia now has no real desire to help the radicals but I could be wrong?

Also what would your solution be to kill radical islam once and for all?

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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2006, 10:35:50 PM »
Hookah, do you really think Saudi Arabia continues to support radical islam now? No doubt they once had their hands in this however I think the last thing they want is a Shiite Islamic run Middle East, plus Osama betrayed them more or less, blowing up Saudi properties and terrorizing their people. It seems Saudi Arabia now has no real desire to help the radicals but I could be wrong?

Also what would your solution be to kill radical islam once and for all?

In Saudi Arabia if you are caught with more then one copy of the bible you will be executed.  So much for a free democratic country.
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2006, 10:39:30 PM »
Born, I have an easy solution to kill radical Islam (which I beleive, the US is already working on)

Let ****tes and Sunnies fight it out to death (using, yes you guessed it, Nukes)

See, Pakistan is the first Muslim state to own a nuclear bomb. Pakistan is Sunni-based state.

Iran on the other hand is the first ****te-Muslim state to soon develop their own nukes. The anomosity between ****tes and Sunnies continues to get worse, thanks to what is going on in places like Iraq, Pakistan, India, Lebanon etc. Fuel it a little bit more, and these two factions will have no other option but to fight it out.  It will be ****tes from Iran, Iraq and Pakistan vs. the rest of the Muslim world, and Nukes will be the first option.

I strongly beleive that this is the the plan that the West has in mind to get rid of both sides (the radical elements) and eventually end up with a good version of Islam, which won't have any stupid terrorist bombers.



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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2006, 10:46:42 PM »
that’s a great plan now I know why I am not a world leader!  :bangin:


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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2006, 10:47:19 PM »
Yes I do think they support it.  Just because bin laden turned on them, it doesn't mean they haven't made deals with a dozen others just like him.  Plus a segment of their government and royal family agree with bin laden.  As long as they have oil money coming in they can create distractions by funding trouble makers in other countries and pretend to care about it and be "outraged" by it.  Like the palestinian cause, other arabs don't give two sh*ts about the palestinians but whenever one of these jackasses gets in front of a video camera, all of a sudden his heart is bleeding for the palestinian people.


You can't kill a religion, you can't dictate to people how to interpert their inner most beliefs.  You know what the problem is?  It isn't that radical islam is taking over the world, its that people think there's a "solution" to it.  There is no solution.  If a muslim is dirt poor and has no future, he can turn to radical islam because it gives his some sense of pride that he's a part of something big.  Take a rich muslim who is bored with his life, and he can turn to radical islam because it gives his pampered life meaning and a sense of worth.  You can't "cure" muslims.   That's why its a war on terror, because you can stop people from committing terror, you can't stop people from believing in something.  If you could Mel Gibson would be sitting in a tel aviv jail cell right now.

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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2006, 10:51:41 PM »
The only way to stop Radical Islam is to stop world poverty. And that is impossible.
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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2006, 10:51:51 PM »
Hookah, although you stated that too in your sentence, no one is calling for an end to Islam as a religion. That is impossible, and only God can do it. What we and millions want to see, is an end to radical derty Islam. An example is those who blow themselvs up in ****tes funerals, and kill people who were mourning the death of their son who was killed in another suicide bomber. You really want someone who has that kind of beleif to continue operating based on that idioitic beleif?

If Iraq is not a lesson for how derty radical Islam is, I don't know what is.



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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2006, 10:54:10 PM »
The only way to stop Radical Islam is to stop world poverty. And that is impossible.

SURE, looks so from the surface, but upon further analysis, you will realize that thew average suidice bomber is of a good income, with a good education often. I am basing these facts about the Sep11 as well as the London train bombings.  Even those who are bombing themselvs in Iraq (may God increased them, minus any innocent casualties) are usually found to have university education. But, of course some of them are mercenaries and poor.

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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2006, 10:59:54 PM »
The only way to stop Radical Islam is to stop world poverty. And that is impossible.

SURE, looks so from the surface, but upon further analysis, you will realize that thew average suidice bomber is of a good income, with a good education often. I am basing these facts about the Sep11 as well as the London train bombings.  Even those who are bombing themselvs in Iraq (may God increased them, minus any innocent casualties) are usually found to have university education. But, of course some of them are mercenaries and poor.

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Actually I am scratching the surface and looking further in depth. Suicide bombers never do it for themselves they do it for a cause and the cause is for their people.
And their people are in poverty.
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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2006, 11:04:09 PM »
Ashoor, I'm not saying suicide bombers shouldn't be stopped.  I'm saying "radical islam" is such a broad, vague term with varying degress of support and organization that it would be impossible to "go to war" against it.  I'm also saying that these radicals can operate because a large segment of the population of the people that live around them support what they're doing to a certain degree.  They may not strap a bomb to their chest and blow something up but they'll have a little smile on their face when they see on tv that a couple of jews may have died or that a shiite or sunni died.  I'm saying radical islam is in fact based on hate, like born and others stated.  However I think that if people didn't already have a certain amount of hatred in them to begin with, they wouldn't be turning to suicide bombing and other horrendous activities.

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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2006, 11:10:48 PM »
Nicely stated Hookah, and unfortunately, to defind 'Radical Islam' is not an easy task, although it should defeinetely include anyone wbho is willing to blow themselvs up...

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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2006, 11:26:51 PM »
Radical Islam SHOULD be anyone that is determined to kill based on religion or race, period.... or I should say "Religious Radicals" or "Religous Fanatic Murderers". Call it what you will.

If you can not love your neighbor, forgive and forget, or negotiate terms ... and all you want is THE DESTRUCTION your enemies (ie. Israel, USA, etc) then you are a radical, period.

There can not be peace in the Middle East as long as radical elements exist. There are Israeli militias that don't report to the IDF as well, but they can be controlled and even eliminated because in the end they don't want the complete and total destruction of Islam. They just want to be left alone.

You can not negotiate with someone who is determined to kill you, period.
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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2006, 10:13:36 AM »
coincident or what?  21 people are arrested in Britain, after being suspected of plotting to blow up several airplans bound for the US from the UK.

Possibly thousands of lives have been saved.  If convicted, these suspects should either be hanged or sent to their home country.

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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2006, 12:12:44 PM »
coincident or what?  21 people are arrested in Britain, after being suspected of plotting to blow up several airplans bound for the US from the UK.

Possibly thousands of lives have been saved.  If convicted, these suspects should either be hanged or sent to their home country.

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They are British born. This IS their home country.

I can't even begin to comment on the posts above cos they actually fill me with anger that people are so black and white and can't understand the complexity of the situation.

Good luck to anyone who thinks the world's problems can be solved by bombs, guns and nukes. Anyone who believes this, in my opinion, is actually insane. Or dumb. Most likely both.

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« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2006, 12:43:29 PM »
Putting our feelings about Hezballah aside, let's face reality -- they have one of the most organized and well-funded social welfare programs in the region, if not the world.  International aid agencies in Lebanon have marveled at how efficiently Hezballah has provided during this war.  The reason why they are popular in Lebanon -- even among some Christians -- has been their role in helping those in poverty, a group normally ignored by Middle Eastern governments.  THIS, my friends, is how you win supporters -- by providing the basic necessities such as food, shelter, clothing, medicine, education, etc.  Not by dropping a 500-ton bomb on some God-foresaken village.
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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2006, 01:11:11 PM »
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Good luck to anyone who thinks the world's problems can be solved by bombs, guns and nukes. Anyone who believes this, in my opinion, is actually insane. Or dumb. Most likely both.

Seconded.

I still dont know why the West think that by imposing democracy in the Middle East they will all of a sudden get peace and stability around the world?

Its been clearly demonstrated that when the people in the middle east get a chance to vote, they vote for the likes of Hamas and Hezbolah.
Maybe it shows that the only way they can get their point across is by turning to the so called "terrorist groups" because they see these groups are actually redressing some of the imbalances that exist in the Middle East.

The US can export as many democracies, and drop as many bombs as it wants but until the West actually starts to take on the underlying issues, such as the Palestinian issue, the Golan Heights, and now Lebanon, these groups will continue to exisist and grow in number and exploit the fact that the US arms and funds Israel.


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« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2006, 06:00:25 PM »
"Fighting terrorism is like a goal keeper in football doesn’t matter how many you save it’s the one that gets passed you that counts"





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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2006, 06:19:04 PM »
coincident or what?  21 people are arrested in Britain, after being suspected of plotting to blow up several airplans bound for the US from the UK.

Possibly thousands of lives have been saved.  If convicted, these suspects should either be hanged or sent to their home country.

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They are British born. This IS their home country.

I can't even begin to comment on the posts above cos they actually fill me with anger that people are so black and white and can't understand the complexity of the situation.

Good luck to anyone who thinks the world's problems can be solved by bombs, guns and nukes. Anyone who believes this, in my opinion, is actually insane. Or dumb. Most likely both.



I don't think anyone is that "insane" or "dumb."  But if you were on one of those planes and you had a Mid Eastern man begin to assemble a liquid explosive next to you, you'd sh*t your pants.  It's funny how we can all speak for those who are actually doing the real work.  We just bicker like old hags around tea and crumpets.  Myself included. 

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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2006, 06:35:31 PM »
Whatever - I didn't say we need to just keep dropping bombs. I said our enemy is radical Islam. And we aren't going to win simply by bombing them.

We need to help the moderate Muslims, empower them to bring about change in their own religion and governemnts..... open people's eyes that VIOLENCE can not be justified by a RELIGION. I don't want to start a holy war. I want to kill the idea that a holy war should be fought to begin with.

The Middle Eastern people need to know where we stand. We stand for freedom. We will not tolerate radicalism. Not by Muslism, not by Jews, not by anyone. We're not fighting a war on terror. WE'RE FIGHTING RADICALS AND THE IDEA THAT THEIR ENEMIES MUST BE DESTROYED WHICH IS NON-NEGOTIABLE. Therefor no political solution exists. No military solution exists. The only way is through HOLLYWOOD pretty much... or something to that affect. You need to WESTERNIZE these people... TEACH THEM TO LIVE LIFE... not to kill eachother. Or another way would be to bring moderate arabs to the forefront... a women's rights movement perhaps... or helping moderate clerics renounce violence and embrace peace.... something to that extent... HELP the oppressed and the ones that just want to live in peace get rid of the radical element from their culture.

We don't need a regime change, we need an ideological change... and democracy doesn't hurt of course.
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« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2006, 06:44:07 PM »
coincident or what?  21 people are arrested in Britain, after being suspected of plotting to blow up several airplans bound for the US from the UK.

Possibly thousands of lives have been saved.  If convicted, these suspects should either be hanged or sent to their home country.

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They are British born. This IS their home country.

I can't even begin to comment on the posts above cos they actually fill me with anger that people are so black and white and can't understand the complexity of the situation.

Good luck to anyone who thinks the world's problems can be solved by bombs, guns and nukes. Anyone who believes this, in my opinion, is actually insane. Or dumb. Most likely both.



I don't think anyone is that "insane" or "dumb."  But if you were on one of those planes and you had a Mid Eastern man begin to assemble a liquid explosive next to you, you'd sh*t your pants.  It's funny how we can all speak for those who are actually doing the real work.  We just bicker like old hags around tea and crumpets.  Myself included. 

It's funny that someone ignorant and ill informed may not want to sit next to you or Born because you look Middle Eastern...They are as much British as you are American.

Of course i wouldn't be happy being sat next to a terrorist on a plane - that's a given. I was just saying that we can't fight terrorism through violence. I don't agree that the USA have or are making the world a better place.

What exactly has the 'war on terror' achieved so far other than making people more angrier and more vengeful?

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« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2006, 07:03:49 PM »
Whatever - I didn't say we need to just keep dropping bombs. I said our enemy is radical Islam. And we aren't going to win simply by bombing them.

We need to help the moderate Muslims, empower them to bring about change in their own religion and governemnts..... open people's eyes that VIOLENCE can not be justified by a RELIGION. I don't want to start a holy war. I want to kill the idea that a holy war should be fought to begin with.

The Middle Eastern people need to know where we stand. We stand for freedom. We will not tolerate radicalism. Not by Muslism, not by Jews, not by anyone. We're not fighting a war on terror. WE'RE FIGHTING RADICALS AND THE IDEA THAT THEIR ENEMIES MUST BE DESTROYED WHICH IS NON-NEGOTIABLE. Therefor no political solution exists. No military solution exists. The only way is through HOLLYWOOD pretty much... or something to that affect. You need to WESTERNIZE these people... TEACH THEM TO LIVE LIFE... not to kill eachother. Or another way would be to bring moderate arabs to the forefront... a women's rights movement perhaps... or helping moderate clerics renounce violence and embrace peace.... something to that extent... HELP the oppressed and the ones that just want to live in peace get rid of the radical element from their culture.

We don't need a regime change, we need an ideological change... and democracy doesn't hurt of course.

You can't force people to change their beliefs. And you know what - bombing Lebanon has only increased the support for Hezbollah. The sad thing is we all predicted it. Oppression, disproportionate force, war crimes, genocide, mass civilian deaths = massive recruiting officers for any 'freedom fighting' forces be it the IRA, Hamas, Hezbollah

Secondly democracy - or shall i say the USA concept of democracy CANNOT be imposed on people who do not want it. You cannot impose it on them and then expect their culture, mindset, beliefs etc to fall into line. You cannot change hundreds, thousands of years worth of conditioning by forcing some sort of puppet democracy in a country - especially in Arab countries that are tribal.

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« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2006, 07:35:37 PM »
So what do yuo suggest.... we just sit by while radicals force the submission and conversion of more and more jews/christians OR kill them all off until it gets to be so big of a problem we can't even defend ourselves?

How would you suggest we stop radical islam?

Because if you say WE SHOULDN'T STOP RADICAL ISLAM AT ALL.... I will never agree to that. I'd rather bomb the whole ****ing middle east then let them spread radical islam to the rest of the world.

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« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2006, 08:11:35 PM »
I'm not from Texas, nor a member of the NRA.  I am a tax paying U.S. citizen who only cares for the safety of me and my own.  That's all.  I don't want innocent people dying.  Do you at least believe that I am not a proponent of violence? 

I would however love to hear your suggestions on how we combat terrorism.  Diplomacy?  Enlighten us. 

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« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2006, 08:49:38 PM »


 Oppression, disproportionate force, war crimes, genocide, mass civilian deaths = massive recruiting officers for any 'freedom fighting' forces be it the IRA, Hamas, Hezbollah




You are describing here the situation of the Assyrian people in recent history.  Although we haven't resorted to "violence"  but that still leaves us without an "Assyria" in Bet Nahren.  Go figure!

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« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2006, 09:36:37 PM »
Well, I'm not planning to go blow myself up and take other people along with me for a patch of dirt in the middle east. I agree with the minority opinion though, violence isn't the answer.. There is no point, because what Israel is doing as an example, wont exactly make those radical islamic people think.. Ok hold up, they are killing us, we should stop. They will just be spurred on more, and as Whatever said, more will join their ranks.

The situation here in Britain is a dubious one. With all the breaking news, I was at first shocked and angry at such terrible plans. However, upon reflection I was quite skeptical of their sincerity. On the whole, all the hate that takes form via these various bombings and attacks is an amalgamation of religion, pursuit of power (and all its methods and devices) and initial racial or even religiously influenced cultural discrimination.

To simply bomb or just 'defend' (which is also a loosely coined term for a retributive attack) will not 'cure' any problems, as was mentioned before somewhere. Also, not one post here can settle the situation, relieve the tensions or seek suitable compromisations, one would have to write dissertations to outline the problems, the strife, and the roots of such vile hatred. The problem(s) are so much bigger than the news headline, but they dont want us to look at that properly, they want us to just nod our heads and keep them hollow.
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« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2006, 10:11:20 PM »
YOU KNOW WHAT. I'm so proud of MR. BUSH today for saying that we are fighting ISLAMIC FASCISTS!!!!! No more then 1 hour later the North American Islamic Federation or whatever was on TV critisizing George Bush for saying he's fighting Islam. WE"RE NOT FIGHTING ISLAM... JUST THE CRAZY ONES! I'm so sick of this political correctness bullsh*t. And you know what???? I'm sick of all these f*cking Islamic Federations and Anti-Descriminatory Islamic bullsh*t organizations for saying we're prejudiced against them. Instead of focusing their energy on changing our perception of Islam... WHY DON"T THEY FOCUS ON BRINGING REFORM IN THEIR STUPID RELIGION? OR AT LEAST BREAK AWAY AND SAY "HEY WE"RE NOT MUSLIM, WE"RE SONS OF MOHOMMED" or some sh*t... That they don't approve of violence. Why dont' these assholes speak against the Radical Clerics that tell people to strap bombs on themselves and blow themselves up? All they can do is b*tch and moan that we're prejudice against them. Well f*ck them and their f*cked up religion. Let them critisize their religion leaders and reform their religion. If they don't give a sh*t about Islam, why should I?
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