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Should Assyrians date/marry non-Assyrians or only Assyrians?
« on: November 26, 2017, 07:13:08 AM »
What is everyone's opinion on this? My opinion is that we (well me at least because I cannot force anyone to do otherwise) only marry/date/have kids with Assyrians as there is such a small amount of us left and we should keep the legacy going. I have to admit however there are some non-Assyrian girls that are pretty amazing...


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Re: Should Assyrians date/marry non-Assyrians or only Assyrians?
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2017, 08:55:15 AM »
I've had strong views on this in the past. Endogamy has kept us alive and has allowed us to retain our identity - one that is being slowly lost in a globalising world.

I do believe marrying Assyrians is far more prudent for posterity's sake but marrying someone of similar ethnicity and ensuring that the language, culture and traditions are adequately passed on is a second-best I suppose. However, this always comes with the risk, and which often ends up being the case, of the children not being as nationalistic as they should or otherwise could be.
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Re: Should Assyrians date/marry non-Assyrians or only Assyrians?
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2017, 09:01:11 PM »
I've had strong views on this in the past. Endogamy has kept us alive and has allowed us to retain our identity - one that is being slowly lost in a globalising world.

I do believe marrying Assyrians is far more prudent for posterity's sake but marrying someone of similar ethnicity and ensuring that the language, culture and traditions are adequately passed on is a second-best I suppose. However, this always comes with the risk, and which often ends up being the case, of the children not being as nationalistic as they should or otherwise could be.

I have the exact same opinion.
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Re: Should Assyrians date/marry non-Assyrians or only Assyrians?
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2017, 09:01:11 PM »

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Re: Should Assyrians date/marry non-Assyrians or only Assyrians?
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2017, 11:09:26 PM »
I'm softly Assyrian only. I'll explain

I personally think Assyrians should only marry Assyrians but I know we all have that one (or more) person(s) in the family who don't want to.

However, from my life experience, most of my family are living happy lives with an Assyrian spouse while a small amount have non-Assyrian spouses and we welcome them.

I would do Assyrian only because I don't want to have a conflict with my wife concerning Assyrianism stuff.

Personally I don't mind Armenians because they're very close to us, they're like non-Semitic version of us.
Same with Maronayeh, Copts, and Arab Christians. beyond these 4 groups, I would have to say no.

Looking at the big picture and the long run, we're Assyrian because our parents are Assyrian. Our mom or dad could've married someone non-Assyrian but did not.

Another thing is whether the couple will have kids or not.
My uncle married a Cuban woman but he doesn't want to have kids, so we all just accepted the marriage and welcomed her in our family anyway.

There's alot of variables at play concerning this case
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Re: Should Assyrians date/marry non-Assyrians or only Assyrians?
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2017, 01:44:02 AM »
Overall, it doesn't bother me that much. But I still do feel a bit discomfited when I see Assyrians marrying people of completely different races (Asians, blacks, etc). They have such strong genes that their children, unfortunately, barely look Assyrian.
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Re: Should Assyrians date/marry non-Assyrians or only Assyrians?
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2017, 02:28:40 AM »
Overall, it doesn't bother me that much. But I still do feel a bit discomfited when I see Assyrians marrying people of completely different races (Asians, blacks, etc). They have such strong genes that their children, unfortunately, barely look Assyrian.

Yeah :/
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Re: Should Assyrians date/marry non-Assyrians or only Assyrians?
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2017, 11:41:35 AM »
Overall, it doesn't bother me that much. But I still do feel a bit discomfited when I see Assyrians marrying people of completely different races (Asians, blacks, etc). They have such strong genes that their children, unfortunately, barely look Assyrian.

Assyrians marrying blacks is wrong because it declines IQ of the next generation, biology says.

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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2017, 05:47:47 AM »
Assyrians marrying blacks is wrong because it declines IQ of the next generation, biology says.

lol woahh okay then..
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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2017, 11:44:28 PM »
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Re: Should Assyrians date/marry non-Assyrians or only Assyrians?
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2017, 01:56:18 AM »
I prefer a Russian MILF

I wonder if you can get those mail-order.
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Re: Should Assyrians date/marry non-Assyrians or only Assyrians?
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2017, 02:10:11 AM »
Assyrians marrying blacks is wrong because it declines IQ of the next generation, biology says.
Assyrians don't have the highest IQs anyway. Some blacks can easily be a mental match with us.

I'd be worried more if we were Asian though.
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Re: Should Assyrians date/marry non-Assyrians or only Assyrians?
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2017, 03:40:39 AM »
Assyrians don't have the highest IQs anyway. Some blacks can easily be a mental match with us.

I'd be worried more if we were Asian though.

Assyrians have a propensity for academia but are just lazy and plus, this victim mentality and this feeling of futility, felt especially in the diaspora, means that Assyrians don't apply themselves.
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Re: Should Assyrians date/marry non-Assyrians or only Assyrians?
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2017, 03:54:20 PM »
Assyrians have a propensity for academia but are just lazy and plus, this victim mentality and this feeling of futility, felt especially in the diaspora, means that Assyrians don't apply themselves.

victim mentality and feeling of futility is a flaw that's passed down from our older generations who have islamic influence.

It is said, those who are pessimistic will go "what's the point?" instead of working to make the situation or environment better.

If we don't actively work to get our rights, we never will get them...
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Re: Should Assyrians date/marry non-Assyrians or only Assyrians?
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2017, 12:44:56 AM »
Small diaspora communities inevitably assimilate and out marry. Maybe it won't happen for decades with Assyrians, but I don't know how you stop it.

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Re: Should Assyrians date/marry non-Assyrians or only Assyrians?
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2017, 08:42:01 PM »
Small diaspora communities inevitably assimilate and out marry. Maybe it won't happen for decades with Assyrians, but I don't know how you stop it.

True.

And welcome back. Missed you, oddly. Lol.
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Re: Should Assyrians date/marry non-Assyrians or only Assyrians?
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2017, 10:07:01 PM »
Small diaspora communities inevitably assimilate and out marry. Maybe it won't happen for decades with Assyrians, but I don't know how you stop it.


we stop it through community + pressure. There's a very good reason why ethnoreligious groups survive for thousands of years.
There'd be no Assyrian community if Assyrians married outside alot.

like I've said before, it's not a big deal if the odd Assyrian or few marry outside but the number of Assyrian-NonAssyrian marriages shouldn't be more than 10% of the community.

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« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2017, 12:06:52 AM »
True.

And welcome back. Missed you, oddly. Lol.
Thanks. I lurked a bit I just didn't really have anything to say.
we stop it through community + pressure. There's a very good reason why ethnoreligious groups survive for thousands of years.
There'd be no Assyrian community if Assyrians married outside alot.

like I've said before, it's not a big deal if the odd Assyrian or few marry outside but the number of Assyrian-NonAssyrian marriages shouldn't be more than 10% of the community.
Possible. But look at the new world. Very few Americans except recent arrivals are pure anything. It happens gradually over time.
I would not worry about Assyrians disappearing as a people as long as there was still a community in Iraq and Syria.

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« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2017, 12:23:26 PM »
But look at the new world. Very few Americans except recent arrivals are pure anything. It happens gradually over time.
I would not worry about Assyrians disappearing as a people as long as there was still a community in Iraq and Syria.

We Assyrians ourselves are mixed, we're rarely mixed since the end of the middle ages though but still

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« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2017, 09:50:55 AM »
like I've said before, it's not a big deal if the odd Assyrian or few marry outside but the number of Assyrian-NonAssyrian marriages shouldn't be more than 10% of the community.

I agree.
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Re: Should Assyrians date/marry non-Assyrians or only Assyrians?
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2018, 08:08:39 AM »
Assyrians have a propensity for academia but are just lazy and plus, this victim mentality and this feeling of futility, felt especially in the diaspora, means that Assyrians don't apply themselves.
Black people too. They may be fare lower than whites and Asians in the US (I believe we would too) when it comes to IQ, but that doesn't mean they're an overall stupid race who are incapable of having knowledge. Too much welfare and victim mentality has made them "dumb" as well.

For me it's about looks though (you forgot that part). Blacks have strong genes and our children will virtually look African if we procreate with an African-descent person. We all want our kids resembling us, don't we not?
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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2018, 09:46:00 AM »
Black people too. They may be fare lower than whites and Asians in the US (I believe we would too) when it comes to IQ, but that doesn't mean they're an overall stupid race who are incapable of having knowledge. Too much welfare and victim mentality has made them "dumb" as well.

For me it's about looks though (you forgot that part). Blacks have strong genes and our children will virtually look African if we procreate with an African-descent person. We all want our kids resembling us, don't we not?

I'm not too sure about the blacks - maybe the African Americans have a certain penchant for intelligence but as for Africa, the place is still a **** hole no matter how much money we throw at it and it's mainly civilisational and cultural but I haven't done enough reading to comment on it nor do I intend to waste my time on it.

As for 'looks', I completely agree with you.
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Re: Should Assyrians date/marry non-Assyrians or only Assyrians?
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2018, 04:44:02 AM »
I agree about looks too. If an Assyrian were too marry a non-Assyrian, I'd hope that the person they marry could pass off as an Assyrian appearance wise or at least resemble us.
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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2018, 07:30:06 AM »
I agree about looks too. If an Assyrian were too marry a non-Assyrian, I'd hope that the person they marry could pass off as an Assyrian appearance wise or at least resemble us.

and if they can't, the least they can do is learn Assyrian.

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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2018, 09:23:48 PM »
I'm not too sure about the blacks - maybe the African Americans have a certain penchant for intelligence but as for Africa, the place is still a **** hole no matter how much money we throw at it and it's mainly civilisational and cultural but I haven't done enough reading to comment on it nor do I intend to waste my time on it.

As for 'looks', I completely agree with you.
Yeah, I agree that Africa is a hellhole with high crime, poverty and corruption.

When I have a smart African in mind, I think of astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson. :)
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Re: Should Assyrians date/marry non-Assyrians or only Assyrians?
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2018, 10:42:22 AM »
I myself dont mind assyrians marry non assyrians, almost all do it here in sweden. But what l really really really want them to do is to teach the assyrian language to their children because l would consider them assyrian lf they atleast know the language. Or actually lf the child consider himself more assyrian than non assyrian then its also okay, solong he got atleast one assyrian mother or father. But l myself want to marry and have children with an assyrian because l want the child to be full assyrian, and the women to.

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« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2018, 05:38:57 AM »
I've seen this trend happen a lot: When people of different ethnicities have children, for some reason their children also end up marrying someone of a different race. This is what worries me the most in our case, because if an Assyrian marries a non-Assyrian, I feel as if their children are much more likely to marry a non-Assyrian.
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« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2018, 10:02:04 AM »
I've seen this trend happen a lot: When people of different ethnicities have children, for some reason their children also end up marrying someone of a different race. This is what worries me the most in our case, because if an Assyrian marries a non-Assyrian, I feel as if their children are much more likely to marry a non-Assyrian.

Or they'll realized Assyrian women make better wives because Feminism has turned many generations of women into unmarry-able, un-wifeable, entitled brats and quickly go to their Assyrian side :)
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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2018, 03:01:10 AM »
Or they'll realized Assyrian women make better wives because Feminism has turned many generations of women into marry-able, un-wifeable, entitled brats and quickly go to their Assyrian side :)

hmmm lets hope thats the case :P
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Re: Should Assyrians date/marry non-Assyrians or only Assyrians?
« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2018, 12:10:29 PM »
Would you see a half assyrian, assyrian? l do but if the half assyrian marries an full assyrian then hes children will also be full assyrian, i think....it also depends on the half assyrian, if he consider himself full assyrian or not.
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