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A New Blood Bath - Peshmerga VS PMU in Kirkuk
« on: October 15, 2017, 08:29:08 PM »
Iraqi Army and PMU Shia Militias gave Peshmerga till midnight to give Kirkuk to the Iraqi government, Peshmerga declined the army causing both sides to go full force. This has been happening in the past 24 hours.



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Re: A New Blood Bath - Peshmerga VS PMU in Kirkuk
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2017, 09:42:44 PM »
Just reading breaking news now that Iraqi forces have started to attack. Not sure about the details. But I hope war is averted. Iraq has had enough fighting. But Kurds better come to their senses and give up on their stupid demand for Kirkuk. Being too greedy will end up costing you too much.

Not should the Kurds want to mess with the fearful and powerful Popular Mobilization Forces who crushed ISIS which even the Iraqi army had failed to do in the past.

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Re: A New Blood Bath - Peshmerga VS PMU in Kirkuk
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2017, 11:53:25 AM »
and so begins the 3rd Iraqi-Kurdish war.

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Re: A New Blood Bath - Peshmerga VS PMU in Kirkuk
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Re: A New Blood Bath - Peshmerga VS PMU in Kirkuk
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2017, 05:34:05 PM »
And Assyrians are once again in the middle of it. Hopefully it doesn't escalate too much.

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Re: A New Blood Bath - Peshmerga VS PMU in Kirkuk
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2017, 08:06:16 PM »
And Assyrians are once again in the middle of it. Hopefully it doesn't escalate too much.

How many Assyrians are in Kirkuk though?
EDIT: I checked, there's only 2,000. They should go to the Nineveh Plains.

Also https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-u-s-neutral-baghdad-kurds-clash-194626487.html

Trump says U.S. neutral as Baghdad and Kurds clash
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Re: A New Blood Bath - Peshmerga VS PMU in Kirkuk
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2017, 01:27:39 AM »
Even Saddam took longer to defeat the Kurds. This battle barely lasted a few hours. The PMU is too powerful for the Peshmarga. It is not the peshamarga of the past. This is a new generation that hasn't been tested like the old elements were, so not surprised they didn't put up a fight. And good for the Kurdish generals for retreating and not causing any casualties, not worth the fight.

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Re: A New Blood Bath - Peshmerga VS PMU in Kirkuk
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2017, 02:05:06 AM »
Even Saddam took longer to defeat the Kurds. This battle barely lasted a few hours. The PMU is too powerful for the Peshmarga. It is not the peshamarga of the past. This is a new generation that hasn't been tested like the old elements were, so not surprised they didn't put up a fight. And good for the Kurdish generals for retreating and not causing any casualties, not worth the fight.



Interestingly enough ASHOOR, there's a video on why Arab armies aren't very effective. Saddam's military wasn't effective because having your military too strong would've just ousted him then. To a dictator, the military is more or less an internal security force than an actual force.

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Re: A New Blood Bath - Peshmerga VS PMU in Kirkuk
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2017, 08:12:19 AM »
I am not surprised MrZ. Though the Iraqi army put up a great fight against a bigger Iranian army for 8 years.
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Re: A New Blood Bath - Peshmerga VS PMU in Kirkuk
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2017, 12:29:35 PM »
I am not surprised MrZ. Though the Iraqi army put up a great fight against a bigger Iranian army for 8 years.


here's the video

in a nutshell:

1. poor unit cohesion.
2. poor generals and their cronyism + corruption such as giving rankings based on loyalty than merit. This is was one reason why the initial Iraqi army ran from ISIS.
3. military is more politicized than militarized - Israel even structured its own military to take advantage of these listed weaknesses.
4. poor management of intel because of selfishness - When Arab officers know of certain information, they keep it to themselves to make themselves more valuable.
5. poor equipment training - Because most Islamic countries teach and train by using rote memorization instead of actual training.

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Re: A New Blood Bath - Peshmerga VS PMU in Kirkuk
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2017, 07:26:03 PM »
While I am happy the Iraqi army is taking over these lands from the Kurds, I don't know how I feel about the PMU taking over the Nineveh Plain, having seen what they have done to other Sunni areas they took on their way to Mosul: they like to Shi'ify the area and come out with their Ali and Hussein chanting parades.

That is why the NP should be in Assyrian hands, with protection from the Iraqi army. Period.


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Re: A New Blood Bath - Peshmerga VS PMU in Kirkuk
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2017, 07:32:39 PM »
While I am happy the Iraqi army is taking over these lands from the Kurds, I don't know how I feel about the PMU taking over the Nineveh Plain, having seen what they have done to other Sunni areas they took on their way to Mosul: they like to Shi'ify the area and come out with their Ali and Hussein chanting parades.

That is why the NP should be in Assyrian hands, with protection from the Iraqi army. Period.


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Most of the Nineveh Plains is under the NPU though.

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Re: A New Blood Bath - Peshmerga VS PMU in Kirkuk
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2017, 01:07:05 AM »
Apparently, there is an agreement in place between the central government and the PUK to divide the Kurdish regions into two: basically two Kurdistans. Here are some other things they agreed on (will try to translate if I get time)


1- تمركز القوات العراقية في المناطق الكردستانية الواقعة خارج إدارة إقليم كردستان، وسحب قوات البيشمركة من تلك المناطق.
2- تسليم 17 وحدة إدارية من أقضية ونواحي كركوك للسلطة الاتحادية، والتي تديرها حكومة إقليم كردستان منذ عام 2014، وإذا لم يتم تسليمها فستطالب بغداد بـ11 وحدة إدارية أخرى من التي تديرها حكومة الإقليم منذ عام 2003، ليصبح عدد الوحدات الإدارية 28 وحدة إدارية.
3- تشكيل إدارة مشتركة لمركز محافظة كركوك، بحيث يُخصص 15 حياً للكرد، و25 حياً للمكونات الأخرى، وذلك لمدة 6 أشهر.
4- المناطق الاستراتيجية في كركوك ستكون خاضعة لإدارة الحكومة العراقية، مثل قاعدة كيوان، المطار، وآبار النفط.
5- إعادة حركة الملاحة الجوية إلى مطار السليمانية.
6 – دفع رواتب موظفي السليمانية وكركوك من قبل الحكومة العراقية.
7- دفع رواتب قوات البيشمركة داخل السليمانية وفقاً للقائمة التي أعدها بافل الطالباني.
8- إنشاء إقليم "السليمانية-كركوك-حلبجة".
9- تشكيل حكومة جديدة للإقليم الجديد.

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Re: A New Blood Bath - Peshmerga VS PMU in Kirkuk
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2017, 12:30:32 PM »
The biggest majority of Kirkuk are Kurds. Nobody will ever take Kirkuk from Kurdistan. REAL Kurds will fight for Kirkuk like they did in Kobani if necessary.

Kirkuk is not lost and never will be lost.


The problem was only corrupt Sunni Muslim terrorist monkeys Barzanis and Talabanis. They gave Kurdish oil for free to Turkye. And now it is stopped.

The USA have dumped them forever, but not the real Kurds.

The plan was that Barzani/Talabani would start a war against Iran in Kirkuk. But Barzani/Talabani refused to fight Iran and instead Barzani wanted to join Turkye and steal Kurdish oil and give it to Turkye. Americans and the Western world are against this plan, so they just dumped those Sunni Muslim genocidal corrupt terrorist traitors.


Kurds in Bashur need to get rid of Islam and Barzani/Talabani. Then the Western world will support them, like they support Kurds in Rojava.


REAL Kurds understand that no matter what to gain full independence we need to defeat Islam, like we defeated Islam in Rojava and start a war against Turkey & Persia. Kurdistan parts in those failed states need to be liberated.

Northern Kurdistan and Eastern Kurdistan need to be liberated, then all parts will join together and there will be GREAT Kurdistan!



The same can be said about Shekhan region in Nineveh Plains. If Assyrians ever get their region in Nineveh Plains it will be without Ezdi areas. Assyrians will get their land only where the Assyrians are the majority. Assyrians will never get land where they are minority. Lalish + Shexan city in the Nineveh Plains will be part of Shexan canton. Ezdixan = Shengal + Shexan !!


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