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What city would be a good capital contender, or at least a central hub for economics, entertainment, education, science, etc?

Al Qosh? Zakho? Telesqope? Maybe even Mosul (after it's fully ridden from ISIS)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_homeland


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Telesqope should be the capital, not because it is something special with that town, but because it is more logical and realistic to be a capital. Spimply, Zakho(5% Assyrian population) or Mosul/nineveh with 5-6%? ; are relatively too few to make it happen.

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Telesqope should be the capital, not because it is something special with that town, but because it is more logical and realistic to be a capital. Spimply, Zakho(5% Assyrian population) or Mosul/nineveh with 5-6%? ; are relatively too few to make it happen.

Tel Esqop is controlled by Peshmerga and Nineveh Plain FORCES, (not Units) though

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Bakhdida or Alqosh. It's debatable.
https://ninevehplaindefensefund.org/support-now/ - Support the Assyrian NPU

Even after the fall of Nineveh (612BC) The Assyrians lived under their own law, they had their own autonomy under the different names such as Athura, Adiabene and Asuristan. It lasted till the 7th century AD.

Sennacherib II(2), was an Assyrian Governor or 'king' of northern Asuristan in 372 AD.

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Tel Esqop is controlled by Peshmerga and Nineveh Plain FORCES, (not Units) though

 Telsqope was retaken from ISIS by Peshmerga, NPF AND NPU.

Many of the Peshmerga are local Assyrians such as NPF and Dwekh Nawsha. In addition, we have NPU there. No matter which side those soliders belonges to, in the end of the day they are Assyrian and that is important that we control our own towns.

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Telesqope should be the capital, not because it is something special with that town, but because it is more logical and realistic to be a capital. Spimply, Zakho(5% Assyrian population) or Mosul/nineveh with 5-6%? ; are relatively too few to make it happen.
I'm going with Telescope too.
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What city would be a good capital contender, or at least a central hub for economics, entertainment, education, science, etc?

Al Qosh? Zakho? Telesqope? Maybe even Mosul (after it's fully ridden from ISIS)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_homeland

Bakhdida.

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Mosul, rename it Nineveh.
"Their enemies had realized their national potential long before the Assyrians themselves. The enemy was not afraid of good farmers, good parents, good church-going parishioners...the enemy was afraid of Assyrians wrapped in nationhood." ~ Mount Semele, Ivan Kakovitch

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why not make a new capital and call it khat ashur (New Ashur) ?

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Assyrians are smart, strong and beautiful, right? Why not just to try to take your own ancient capital Nineveh back?

I don't know, why don't Yazids try to take back Sinjar?

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Assyrians are smart, strong and beautiful, right? Why not just to try to take your own ancient capital Nineveh back?
We are too outnumbered. That's like self-explanatory.
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We are too outnumbered. That's like self-explanatory.

same with yazidis...

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Mosul should be the capital, and rename it nineveh, because nineveh was one of the oldest and largest city in the world, its a huge compliment, if assyrians get mosul we should move many people there, and also the population has shrunk alot since isis took it over and since they went gone, east mosul(nineveh) is intact while west mosul is in ruins, we dont know how many people live in mosul now but in 2015 it was 664,221, now its probably are a lot less, l woyld say 300000 or some thing like that....

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800 BCE   [5] 75,000   Nimrud
(Calah)   Iraq

According to wikipedia Nimrud was the largest city in te world year 800 BCE, l dont remember it being the largest city in the world, all sources dosnt agree with him but its the newest source that says that, l know for 100 procent nineveh was but nimrud.... is this true, anyone that know?
« Last Edit: March 24, 2018, 10:46:54 AM by Nemrud »

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yes it is true, nimrud was the largest city for some time, but still the oldest and most populous city was nineveh, also the greatest and one of the oldest city ever. Nineveh was inhabited 6000 bc, while nimrud was founded 1300 bc, nineveh was founded in 6000 bc, which makes it one of the oldest and largest cities in the world, another reason why l choose nineveh as our captal is because its already a large city, if we for example choose nimrud as our capital we would need to build buildings there which would cost alot of money.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2018, 11:02:12 AM by Nemrud »

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Mosul should be the capital, and rename it nineveh, because nineveh was one of the oldest and largest city in the world, its a huge compliment, if assyrians get mosul we should move many people there, and also the population has shrunk alot since isis took it over and since they went gone, east mosul(nineveh) is intact while west mosul is in ruins, we dont know how many people live in mosul now but in 2015 it was 664,221, now its probably are a lot less, l woyld say 300000 or some thing like that....
We won't get Mosul, plus Nineveh is one the Eastern part of Mosul, it'd make more sense to just split Mosul in half with one side being Nineveh and the other being Mosul. In full analysis though, it's easier to rebuild a new Nineveh instead of taking half or all of Mosul.

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We won't get Mosul, plus Nineveh is one the Eastern part of Mosul, it'd make more sense to just split Mosul in half with one side being Nineveh and the other being Mosul. In full analysis though, it's easier to rebuild a new Nineveh instead of taking half or all of Mosul.

How is it easier, if we build a new nineveh it will cost million of dollar, just take eastern mosul or all mosul is easier, they already have buildings intact.

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Actually if we get a country only by trading mosul we can get it, nineveh will be ours if we fight for it, and we must be lucky because noone even mention that mosul will be ours right now. Or actually even the nineveh plains.

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How is it easier, if we build a new nineveh it will cost million of dollar, just take eastern mosul or all mosul is easier, they already have buildings intact.

factor in the cost of a military operation to attack, take, and defend Mosul from Iraqi government and then revenge attacks by angry Maslawi Arabs.

Compare that by factoring the cost to just build a new city and call that Ninwe. It'll be easier, more cost effective, and less likely to involve death and suffering for both sides by simply making a new town. New Ninwe could be built specifically to hold our new regional capital.

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factor in the cost of a military operation to attack, take, and defend Mosul from Iraqi government and then revenge attacks by angry Maslawi Arabs.

Compare that by factoring the cost to just build a new city and call that Ninwe. It'll be easier, more cost effective, and less likely to involve death and suffering for both sides by simply making a new town. New Ninwe could be built specifically to hold our new regional capital.

I didnt say that we should attack them, trade is the key, if we are Lucky we might get mosul to the nineveh plains, if not then forget it.

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If we wont get nineveh, We can atleast make Nimrud our capital? Its in the nineveh plains

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If we wont get nineveh, We can atleast make Nimrud our capital? Its in the nineveh plains
Nimrud could work. it's near an Assyrian village.

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Nimrud could work. it's near an Assyrian village.

But why cant we get mosul, it belong to us, also its not far away from nineveh plains....

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Why do u want to build a new city, its history is not it, to call it new Ninwe is wrong, We need real nineveh and its real history. To be realistic l dont think we will ever build a new city or nimrud being the capital, probably qaraqosh will be the capital or if we get mosul, it will for 100 procent be the capital. Mosul is important to control the north ,thats a fact.
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But why cant we get mosul, it belong to us, also its not far away from nineveh plains....

because Mosul has alot of Sunni Arabs who don't want to be part of Assyria.
Unless you can convince them to become Muslim Assyrians, I don't think they like the idea of being under a non-Muslim government.

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because Mosul has alot of Sunni Arabs who don't want to be part of Assyria.
Unless you can convince them to become Muslim Assyrians, I don't think they like the idea of being under a non-Muslim government.

How do you know they dont want to be apart of assyria, thats why we must move assyrians there.

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How do you know they dont want to be apart of assyria, thats why we must move assyrians there.

Because they're Sunni Arabs, they have no connection to Assyrians who speak Aramaic and practice Christianity beyond DNA. They don't see us as Assyrians, they just see us as Christians.

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Because they're Sunni Arabs, they have no connection to Assyrians who speak Aramaic and practice Christianity beyond DNA. They don't see us as Assyrians, they just see us as Christians.

But IF assyrians move There, alot of them, then we might still have a chance

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But IF assyrians move There, alot of them, then we might still have a chance

lo, shqol paq'ayto d'ninwe

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lo, shqol paq'ayto d'ninwe
I didnt understand what you were saying, but really dont you want nineveh as our capital? l think almost all assyrians want it, its a symbol for us and cultural city, it was also the greatest capital ever in our hands, greater than edessa. For me the top 3 capitals ever in assyrian hands are: 1. Nineveh, 2. Edessa, 3. Ashur
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I didnt understand what you were saying, but really dont you want nineveh as our capital? l think almost all assyrians want it, its a symbol for us and cultural city, it was also the greatest capital ever in our hands, greater than edessa. For me the top 3 capitals ever in assyrian hands are: 1. Nineveh, 2. Edessa, 3. Ashur

I said ܠܐ, ܫܩܘܠܗ ܦܩܥܝܬܐ ܕܢܝܢܘܐ

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I said ܠܐ, ܫܩܘܠܗ ܦܩܥܝܬܐ ܕܢܝܢܘܐ

What an embaressing moment, l dont understand it either... but who cares

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Actually either nineveh or nimrud could be our capital because both were the largest cities in the world for some time, if we make nimrud our capital we can be proud that it used to be the largest city in the world, something it will never be again.

Actually you are right, first of all the iraqi government wont let us get mosul because its important to them to have it in its control and second we will NEVER get mosul, EVER, because there is no assyrian living there and the area also have a lot of muslims there, our only chance is to make Nimrud our capital and repopulate it in the nineveh plains. What do you think?

One more thing, if we get a country it will only be the nineveh plains because l am sure they wont let us expand.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2018, 03:55:50 PM by Nemrud »

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I just heard 4000 assyrian families have returned to nineveh, thats good, if it continues we might have a chance

 

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