As Kurds contemplate independence, sample currency has Assyrian writing

[ASHOOR]

As Kurds are holding a referendum soon on independence from Iraq, Just read the article below about how their design for a future currency has Assyrian writing on it.

Since I and the majority of Assyrians are against this upcoming referendum on indedpedence, I wouldnt want any Assyrian on any Kurdish currency. I know they are trying to get us on their side by throwing these goodies our way. No thanks...

http://www.rudaw.net/mobile/english/kurdistan/220620173

[mrzurnaci]

it won't happen until Turkey gets drunk one night.

[Cascade]

What's the problem? At least they are recognizing us, no?

I hope Kurdistan becomes a country. I really don't mind it, tbh. Why? Because I don't really care.

Not to mention, Iraq is already corrupted and has gone down the tdrain. And, above all, many of us have moved out (and still are doing so). So what worse can happen here? Kurdistan being independent certainly doesn't so bad here, especially when we have ISIS and the Syrian Civil War.

[mrzurnaci]

What's the problem? At least they are recognizing us, no?

I hope Kurdistan becomes a country. I really don't mind it, tbh. Why? Because I don't really care.

Not to mention, Iraq is already corrupted and has gone down the tdrain. And, above all, many of us have moved out (and still are doing so). So what worse can happen here? Kurdistan being independent certainly doesn't so bad here, especially when we have ISIS and the Syrian Civil War.

Because it won't actually happen unless Turkey and/or Iran allows it.

Turkey is scared that the PKK will use an independent Kurdistan as a base of operations AND will use independent Kurdish government for funding to launch attacks in Turkey. However, I wouldn't mind this considering Turkey is delving back into Islamism.

[Cascade]

Because it won't actually happen unless Turkey and/or Iran allows it.

They can always just take northern Iraq. Practically it is theirs nowadays.

They don't necessarily need southeastern Turkey and northwestern Iran.

[mrzurnaci]

They can always just take northern Iraq. Practically it is theirs nowadays.

They don't necessarily need southeastern Turkey and northwestern Iran.

Not many Assyrians know this but the Kurds didn't really take (much of) the land from us, the Turks took it from us and gave most of it to Kurds for being 'good little Muslims', only recently have they actually been taking land.

[Crocodile Bani]

Because it won't actually happen unless Turkey and/or Iran allows it.

Turkey is scared that the PKK will use an independent Kurdistan as a base of operations AND will use independent Kurdish government for funding to launch attacks in Turkey. However, I wouldn't mind this considering Turkey is delving back into Islamism.

If Israel wants a Kurdistan, Israel will get a Kurdistan.  They have been very supportive of Kurdistan.  Whether they want Kurdistan there due to the instability they will cause, or if it is due to some kind of alliance, it is 100% in the hands of the Israelis.

[mrzurnaci]

If Israel wants a Kurdistan, Israel will get a Kurdistan.  They have been very supportive of Kurdistan.  Whether they want Kurdistan there due to the instability they will cause, or if it is due to some kind of alliance, it is 100% in the hands of the Israelis.

you already know that I don't believe in conspiracy theories that make no logical sense or have any real sequential logic to it.

[mrzurnaci]

It doesn't even matter what the Jews or even the Russians want. It is what the Kurds want. Kurds want their own state, it is our natural right. Kurds want it, so therefore there will be an independent Kurdish state called Great Kurdistan.

then future Kurdistan will fall under Islamism after Kurds get their country and a new generation born after independence look for something else to inspire them.

[Cascade]

you already know that I don't believe in conspiracy theories that make no logical sense or have any real sequential logic to it.

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[Bronit Omta]

It doesn't even matter what the Jews or even the Russians want. It is what the Kurds want. Kurds want their own state, it is our natural right. Kurds want it, so therefore there will be an independent Kurdish state called Great Kurdistan.

Israel will determine if Kurdistan will exist. Kurds are nothing without the Israeli support.

[nejepnerast]

As Kurds are holding a referendum soon on independence from Iraq, Just read the article below about how their design for a future currency has Assyrian writing on it.

Since I and the majority of Assyrians are against this upcoming referendum on indedpedence, I wouldnt want any Assyrian on any Kurdish currency. I know they are trying to get us on their side by throwing these goodies our way. No thanks...

http://www.rudaw.net/mobile/english/kurdistan/220620173

ASHOOR , Just out of curiosity why are the Assyrian against Kurdish independence or even a referendum ?

[Crocodile Bani]

Israel and Jews are nothing and overrated. My people found out that Jews are our enemies when they supported DAESH in the Shengal GENOCIDE on 3-8-2014.

Semitic Jews are the biggest enemies of the Aryans, the Jews feel connected and interrelated to the Muslim Arabs, since the Jews and Arabs are related to each other. They belong to the same race...

They have been very supportive of the Kurds.  You owe any success to them.

[Bronit Omta]

Israel and Jews are nothing and overrated. My people found out that Jews are our enemies when they supported DAESH in the Shengal GENOCIDE on 3-8-2014.

Semitic Jews are the biggest enemies of the Aryans, the Jews feel connected and interrelated to the Muslim Arabs, since the Jews and Arabs are related to each other. They belong to the same race...

Kurds and the KRG let you be genocided.

[mrzurnaci]

I'm going to go back on topic by saying Ano is a paid puppet. He's clearly in a decent ranking government position which means he has to had sold out.

Sell outs are bad for both sides as their loyalty goes away as soon as the cash stops flowing in.

This is the kind of politics the Middle East and Islamic culture has done. Islam has made economics so faulty that people will sell each other out for money.

[nejepnerast]

If the west and Israel wants to establish a kurdish state , it will be established no matter who object . It is all about securtiy and economics for the big boys and you and I have no say in the matter .

[mrzurnaci]

If the west and Israel wants to establish a kurdish state , it will be established no matter who object . It is all about securtiy and economics for the big boys and you and I have no say in the matter .

if that's the case there's a conflict then. The USA doesn't want KRG to break off even though Israel does.

[nejepnerast]

if that's the case there's a conflict then. The USA doesn't want KRG to break off even though Israel does.

Yes I noticed that and the USA is supporting PKK/YPG now which is infuriating turkey and bringing KRG closer to turkey and Iran which is upsetting both USA and especially Israel who is pointing the finger at USA . KRG was all happy to be another satellite state of USA and Israel , but they drove them back to the arms of Iran and turkey . Now the political maps looks like this which is hilarious .

KRG + Turkey + Iran +Russia   vs USA +PKK + YPG + Iraq

the other side deals are
Iran + iraq , you know being shia and such 
KRG+ Isreal ....being anti iran
Iran +Iraq +PKK ....Iran being anti turkey and PKK  being anti Isis , KRG and turkey 
Syria regim + YPG .....hired gun in return for some right for kurds in syria .and financial support from iran .
Goran + iran =Iran being anti KRG , but this deal is meaningless now and it is breaking down

holy crap it is complicated now and most of these alliance are contradictory and will not last for long because they all have different goals and each think they are using the other .

 

[mrzurnaci]

Yes I noticed that and the USA is supporting PKK/YPG now which is infuriating turkey and bringing KRG closer to turkey and Iran which is upsetting both USA and especially Israel who is pointing the finger at USA . KRG was all happy to be another satellite state of USA and Israel , but they drove them back to the arms of Iran and turkey . Now the political maps looks like this which is hilarious .

KRG + Turkey + Iran +Russia   vs USA +PKK + YPG + Iraq

the other side deals are
Iran + iraq , you know being shia and such 
KRG+ Isreal ....being anti iran
Iran +Iraq +PKK ....Iran being anti turkey and PKK  being anti Isis , KRG and turkey 
Syria regim + YPG .....hired gun in return for some right for kurds in syria .and financial support from iran .
Goran + iran =Iran being anti KRG , but this deal is meaningless now and it is breaking down

holy crap it is complicated now and most of these alliance are contradictory and will not last for long because they all have different goals and each think they are using the other .

 

let's not forget the old wounds between KDP and PUK+PKK.

[nejepnerast]

let's not forget the old wounds between KDP and PUK+PKK.

Hence KDP is pro turkey and PUK pro iran and PKK , well PKK is for now pro iran pro iraq pro syria anti KDP , but pro Goran ,Anti USA and pro USA , Anti russia , but pro Assad who is supported by russia...I'm lost .

[mrzurnaci]

Hence KDP is pro turkey and PUK pro iran and PKK , well PKK is for now pro iran pro iraq pro syria anti KDP , but pro Goran ,Anti USA and pro USA , Anti russia , but pro Assad who is supported by russia...I'm lost .

here, this will help lol

[Crocodile Bani]

here, this will help lol

Classic, though what do the colours of the lines signify?

[nejepnerast]

here, this will help lol

lol , I swear there are even more hidden temporary deals and it all goes back to the mentality of ME . No two nation or communities ever sit together to try to sort out their problems so everybody can live in peace .

[mrzurnaci]

lol , I swear there are even more hidden temporary deals and it all goes back to the mentality of ME . No two nation or communities ever sit together to try to sort out their problems so everybody can live in peace .

and ultimately, that problem can be traced back to Islam and the kind of mentality that Islam builds...

[nejepnerast]

and ultimately, that problem can be traced back to Islam and the kind of mentality that Islam builds...

I would very much like to blame islam , but it is not because they were like this prior to islam too and i'm talking about all nationalities in middle east . It is just lack of education and idiotic mentality of Middle eastern culture . Everyone in middle east thinks they are superior , more pure , more deserving , more authentic that their neighbors Thus eliminating the human aspect of respect towards their neighbor and validating their any sort of action against them ...after all they are less of human right ?  .

 Just look at Ezidi kurd and you will understand what people like him will do if they have any power .

[mrzurnaci]

I would very much like to blame islam , but it is not because they were like this prior to islam too and i'm talking about all nationalities in middle east . It is just lack of education and idiotic mentality of Middle eastern culture . Everyone in middle east thinks they are superior , more pure , more deserving , more authentic that their neighbors Thus eliminating the human aspect of respect towards their neighbor and validating their any sort of action against them ...after all they are less of human right ?  .

 Just look at Ezidi kurd and you will understand what people like him will do if they have any power .

All of what you listed is evident in Islam... Islam endorses itself as the "master faith". Interestingly, this reminds me of the article Nuri Kino wrote about when he visited Turkey and he met Kurdish leaders of an Islamist party who promoted the idea that Islam is the "true faith".

The Lack of education and idiocy stems from Islam. Neta gave me the opportunity to re-read the history of Mesopotamia and made me realize that nearly every people of the Middle East that had contact with Mesopotamia and Persia were civilized and more or less learned, not learned by todays standards but alot more than modern Middle Eastern standards which is very sad.

There's a very good reason why I blame Islam and only Islam for the demise of not only Mesopotamian civilization but the civilization of the Middle East in general...

read this ->
Islam and the Psychology of the Musulman By André Servier. Paris, 1923
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_the_Psychology_of_the_Musulman

Chapter I: A Muslim Policy

France needs a Muslim policy inspired by realities and not by received opinions and legends — We can only understand any given portion of the Muslim people by studying Arab history, because of the solidarity of all Muslims and because Islam is nothing but a secretion of the Arab brain — There is no such thing as Arab civilization — The origins of the legend — How modern historians and the scholars of the Middle Ages were deceived — The Arab is a realist and has no imagination — He has copied the ideas of other peoples, distorting them in the process — Islam, by its immutable dogmas, has paralysed the brain and killed all initiative

SOUND FAMILIAR?

[nejepnerast]

All of what you listed is evident in Islam... Islam endorses itself as the "master faith". Interestingly, this reminds me of the article Nuri Kino wrote about when he visited Turkey and he met Kurdish leaders of an Islamist party who promoted the idea that Islam is the "true faith".

The Lack of education and idiocy stems from Islam. Neta gave me the opportunity to re-read the history of Mesopotamia and made me realize that nearly every people of the Middle East that had contact with Mesopotamia and Persia were civilized and more or less learned, not learned by todays standards but alot more than modern Middle Eastern standards which is very sad.

There's a very good reason why I blame Islam and only Islam for the demise of not only Mesopotamian civilization but the civilization of the Middle East in general...

read this ->
Islam and the Psychology of the Musulman By André Servier. Paris, 1923
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_the_Psychology_of_the_Musulman
 SOUND FAMILIAR?

Agreed , Most cultures were backward in the past and were built on the presumed fact that they are more righteous and better than the others , but eventually they did get past that and started accepting each other . In the islamic world however Mohamad did not only emphasize the backward mentality , but made it a law in Quran as the word of God hence everything they do is God's will on earth .

That is why this non sense continued in the Islamic world and will continue for eternity . Islam is cancer and Islamic extremism might go into remission for a while , but it always come back stronger than before . Iran is a very good example .Iran went through dark ages of Islam then came Shah and modernized Iran and gave people all sort of freedoms and the moment it looks like the cancer of islam was cured it came back even stronger with Islamic revolution of Khomeini .

[mrzurnaci]

Agreed , Most cultures were backward in the past and were built on the presumed fact that they are more righteous and better than the others , but eventually they did get past that and started accepting each other . In the islamic world however Mohamad did not only emphasize the backward mentality , but made it a law in Quran as the word of God hence everything they do is God's will on earth .

That is why this non sense continued in the Islamic world and will continue for eternity . Islam is cancer and Islamic extremism might go into remission for a while , but it always come back stronger than before . Iran is a very good example .Iran went through dark ages of Islam then came Shah and modernized Iran and gave people all sort of freedoms and the moment it looks like the cancer of islam was cured it came back even stronger with Islamic revolution of Khomeini .

On the bright side, like every form of cancer, it'll kill the host thus the cancer dies as well.

Also like cancer, like you just said, it comes back stronger than ever

In order to "cure" cancer, you have effectively kill it and keep getting check ups to make sure it doesn't come back.

For the Shah to have effectively put down Islam, he would've needed to politically repress religious leaders which I can assume he did not do OR he tried but failed because Khomeini.

[nejepnerast]

On the bright side, like every form of cancer, it'll kill the host thus the cancer dies as well.

Also like cancer, like you just said, it comes back stronger than ever

In order to "cure" cancer, you have effectively kill it and keep getting check ups to make sure it doesn't come back.

For the Shah to have effectively put down Islam, he would've needed to politically repress religious leaders which I can assume he did not do OR he tried but failed because Khomeini.

I'm all for dictatorship when it comes to religion . You give them an inch they will take a meter and if it is up to me I will completely forbid them from establishing political religious parties .
I will tell you this , even the most educated moderate mulsims are fanatics deep down inside and the only way to fight them is to show islam as it is not as they wanted to look like .

Islam is Isis and isis is true islam and nothing that Isis ever did if it was not done by mohamad or mentioned in Quran .