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Skeleton remains of a Sumerian man discovered in southern Iraq
« on: February 14, 2015, 03:35:25 PM »
Skeleton remains of a Sumerian man discovered in southern Iraq

This was during an archaeological excavation involving Iraqi and Italian missions in southern Iraq.

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Re: Skeleton remains of a Sumerian man discovered in southern Iraq
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2015, 06:09:38 PM »
I don't get it, how are we exactly related to Sumerians? the only thing I can think of was when the Akkadain empire merged the Akkadians and the Sumerians and took from eachother
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Re: Skeleton remains of a Sumerian man discovered in southern Iraq
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2015, 06:15:39 PM »
I don't get it, how are we exactly related to Sumerians? the only thing I can think of was when the Akkadain empire merged the Akkadians and the Sumerians and took from eachother

Sumerians and Akkadian interbred and became the Assyrio-Babylonian people...

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Re: Skeleton remains of a Sumerian man discovered in southern Iraq
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2015, 06:31:27 PM »
I would say that most Babylonians were mixed with Sumerians while Assyrians were mixed with others north mesopotamian peoples.
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Re: Skeleton remains of a Sumerian man discovered in southern Iraq
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2015, 06:37:28 PM »
This is big news - the claim to Sumerian heritage is the toughest to make. Indo-European culture-vultures have been making retarded claims about "Aryan invasions" and building Sumer for years - this will finally prove that today's North/Western Europeans were nothing more than useless North/Western Europeans for most of history. I CAN'T WAIT.
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Re: Skeleton remains of a Sumerian man discovered in southern Iraq
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2015, 07:46:19 PM »
I would say that most Babylonians were mixed with Sumerians while Assyrians were mixed with others north mesopotamian peoples.

No, the Sumerians started mixing with the Akkadians before the Akkadian empire even existed and then later split into Babylonia and Assyria...

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Re: Skeleton remains of a Sumerian man discovered in southern Iraq
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2015, 07:36:59 AM »
Sumerians and Akkadian interbred and became the Assyrio-Babylonian people...
Can you send me some link, I want to read
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Re: Skeleton remains of a Sumerian man discovered in southern Iraq
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2015, 07:38:25 AM »
I would say that most Babylonians were mixed with Sumerians while Assyrians were mixed with others north mesopotamian peoples.
At the end of the day we all got raped by Mongols and Arabs, which wrecked our genes.

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Re: Skeleton remains of a Sumerian man discovered in southern Iraq
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2015, 02:02:18 PM »
At the end of the day we all got raped by Mongols and Arabs, which wrecked our genes.

You don't know how hard I lol'd

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Re: Skeleton remains of a Sumerian man discovered in southern Iraq
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2015, 06:07:46 PM »
Can you send me some link, I want to read

Wikipedia, read on Sumerians and look up the citations.

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Re: Skeleton remains of a Sumerian man discovered in southern Iraq
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2015, 05:06:59 AM »
I thought Sumerians were the modern day Mandeans?

If we (directly) came from Sumerians we would be rather dark, akin to a typical Kuwaiti. Mandeans are typically swarthy people.
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Re: Skeleton remains of a Sumerian man discovered in southern Iraq
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2015, 04:10:51 AM »
I thought Sumerians were the modern day Mandeans?

If we (directly) came from Sumerians we would be rather dark, akin to a typical Kuwaiti. Mandeans are typically swarthy people.

We don't directly originate from Sumerians. Assyrians originate from an Akkadian-Sumerian mix.

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Re: Skeleton remains of a Sumerian man discovered in southern Iraq
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2016, 08:07:19 PM »
We don't directly originate from Sumerians. Assyrians originate from an Akkadian-Sumerian mix.
Well, that makes sense. If we were "pure" Sumerians we would look like Osama Bin Laden.

Were "Akkadians" around during the Sumerian times? By "Akkadians", I mean, were there people living in Northern Iraq at that time? And WHO were they? They surely must've been lighter-skinned, or at least similar to Phoenicians and the Romans.
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Re: Skeleton remains of a Sumerian man discovered in southern Iraq
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2016, 10:19:05 AM »
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I mean, were there people living in Northern Iraq at that time? And WHO were they?


Hurrians.



The city of Arrapha on the map is now located under Kirkuk.

Relating back to the main topic, ancient DNA testing on ancient Mesopotamian human remains has been long overdue.

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Re: Skeleton remains of a Sumerian man discovered in southern Iraq
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2016, 10:50:20 AM »
^I agree. Did the remains from this case already get studied?

At the end of the day we all got raped by Mongols and Arabs, which wrecked our genes.

Do you have proof to back up this vulgar statement? Because I have yet to see dna studies showing us to be mixed with "arabs"(assuming you mean the peninsula penotype) and I certainly don't see anything about Mongols unless you mean the Assyrians who were forcibly absorbed by the ottoman turks. From what I've seen we have some connections with Armenians today.

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Re: Skeleton remains of a Sumerian man discovered in southern Iraq
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2016, 08:38:44 PM »
Hurrians.



The city of Arrapha on the map is now located under Kirkuk.

Relating back to the main topic, ancient DNA testing on ancient Mesopotamian human remains has been long overdue.


wrong, I have a source that says there were Semitic-speaking people BEFORE the Hurrians were in control...


"I. J. Gelb and E. A. Speiser believed East Semitic speaking Assyrians/Subarians had been the linguistic and ethnic substratum of northern Mesopotamia since earliest times, while Hurrians were merely late arrivals"

Gelb, Ignace J.(1963), The History of Writing (University of Chicago Press)

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Re: Skeleton remains of a Sumerian man discovered in southern Iraq
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2016, 09:05:34 PM »
wrong, I have a source that says there were Semitic-speaking people BEFORE the Hurrians were in control...


"I. J. Gelb and E. A. Speiser believed East Semitic speaking Assyrians/Subarians had been the linguistic and ethnic substratum of northern Mesopotamia since earliest times, while Hurrians were merely late arrivals"

Gelb, Ignace J.(1963), The History of Writing (University of Chicago Press)
I'll take your word.
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Re: Skeleton remains of a Sumerian man discovered in southern Iraq
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2016, 09:34:13 PM »
I thought Sumerians were the modern day Mandeans?

If we (directly) came from Sumerians we would be rather dark, akin to a typical Kuwaiti. Mandeans are typically swarthy people.
Sumerians were the most ancient of people, so it would be very difficult to draw a direct link.
But I've heard it said both Mandeans and Marsh Arabs were descended from them.

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Re: Skeleton remains of a Sumerian man discovered in southern Iraq
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2016, 09:56:35 PM »
Sumerians were the most ancient of people, so it would be very difficult to draw a direct link.
But I've heard it said both Mandeans and Marsh Arabs were descended from them.
Mandeans originate from the Levant region (Jordan, Syria). But they still could have Sumerian heritage to an extent, just the same way we would.

Marsh Arabs are a mixed bunch, considering their ethnicity and religion. They would have Mesopotamian, Arabian, Persian and even Indian roots.
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Re: Skeleton remains of a Sumerian man discovered in southern Iraq
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2016, 12:27:42 AM »
wrong, I have a source that says there were Semitic-speaking people BEFORE the Hurrians were in control...


"I. J. Gelb and E. A. Speiser believed East Semitic speaking Assyrians/Subarians had been the linguistic and ethnic substratum of northern Mesopotamia since earliest times, while Hurrians were merely late arrivals"

Gelb, Ignace J.(1963), The History of Writing (University of Chicago Press)

"[A]s literacy dawns over the horizon of prehistory the first ethnic group whom we know to have inhabited the region [Arbil and its environs] are the Hurrians. This is not to say there were not other groups. There almost certainly were. Texts over these millennia relating to the eastern frontiers of Mesopotamia (for instance Ur III administrative documents and the Shemshara archives) contain a large number of personal names whose linguistic affiliation has not yet been established and it is, in my view, probable that parent languages will one be day be recognised and reconstructed for at least some of them. Be that as it may, the Hurrians are the earliest definable group for whose presence in the region we currently have evidence; followed closely by the Sumerians."

-Tell Nader Project/Tell Baqrta Project
Dr. Konstantinos Kopanias
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Re: Skeleton remains of a Sumerian man discovered in southern Iraq
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2016, 01:19:18 PM »
"[A]s literacy dawns over the horizon of prehistory the first ethnic group whom we know to have inhabited the region [Arbil and its environs] are the Hurrians. This is not to say there were not other groups. There almost certainly were. Texts over these millennia relating to the eastern frontiers of Mesopotamia (for instance Ur III administrative documents and the Shemshara archives) contain a large number of personal names whose linguistic affiliation has not yet been established and it is, in my view, probable that parent languages will one be day be recognised and reconstructed for at least some of them. Be that as it may, the Hurrians are the earliest definable group for whose presence in the region we currently have evidence; followed closely by the Sumerians."

-Tell Nader Project/Tell Baqrta Project
Dr. Konstantinos Kopanias

So does that mean ancient Assyrians are Akkadian-Hurrians?

How else did Assyrians become prevalent in that area without being mixed?
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