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What is the relationship between Assyrians and Mandaeans?
« on: October 13, 2014, 09:29:32 AM »
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Re: What is the relationship between Assyrians and Mandaeans?
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2014, 12:53:15 PM »
Sorry I don't even know what they're, mind informing me about the people/culture and the language?
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Re: What is the relationship between Assyrians and Mandaeans?
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2014, 12:59:29 PM »
Sorry I don't even know what they're, mind informing me about the people/culture and the language?

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Mandaeans (Modern Mandaic: מנדעניא‎ Mandaʻnāye, Arabic: الصابئة المندائيون‎ aṣ-Ṣabi'a al-Mandā'iyūn) are an ethnoreligious group indigenous to the alluvial plain of southern Mesopotamia and are followers of Mandaeism, a Gnostic religion. The Mandaeans were originally native speakers of Mandaic, a Semitic language that evolved from Eastern Middle Aramaic, before many switched to colloquial Iraqi Arabic and Modern Persian. Mandaic is mainly preserved as a liturgical language. During the century's first decade the indigenous Mandaic community of Iraq, which used to number 60–70,000 persons, collapsed in the aftermath of the Iraq War of 2003; most of the community relocated to nearby Iran, Syria and Jordan, or formed diaspora communities beyond the Middle East. The other indigenous community of Iranian Mandaeans has also been dwindling as a result of religious persecution over that decade.[3]

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Re: What is the relationship between Assyrians and Mandaeans?
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Re: What is the relationship between Assyrians and Mandaeans?
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2016, 02:55:55 AM »
I believe that they descend from Sumerians. Or at least, those ancient clans in southern Iraq and Kuwait (whatever they were called).

We aren't that close to them. Though some would have mixed with us, that's why they have those who resemble Assyrians a bit.
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Re: What is the relationship between Assyrians and Mandaeans?
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2016, 12:07:37 PM »
I believe that they descend from Sumerians. Or at least, those ancient clans in southern Iraq and Kuwait (whatever they were called).

We aren't that close to them. Though some would have mixed with us, that's why they have those who resemble Assyrians a bit.

May I ask where you even do your research? Everytime we talk historical stuff, you seem to always get it wrong.

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Re: What is the relationship between Assyrians and Mandaeans?
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2016, 01:53:45 PM »
They're not mesopotamian, they're levantine people who came to Southern Iraq at the time of Jonah or something like that. Could be any seimitic group living in the levant who later on moved to Southern Iraq. They exist in eastern Iran too.

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Re: What is the relationship between Assyrians and Mandaeans?
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2016, 08:09:45 PM »
May I ask where you even do your research? Everytime we talk historical stuff, you seem to always get it wrong.
If you're so knowledgeable of history why would you make this thread? Clearly, you also didn't know where they came from.

They have always been inhabitants of southern Mesopotamia. Now would they have come from west like Jordan or Syria much earlier on? Perhaps. But I doubt that they're ALL of Levantine origins. They would have Mesopotamian ancestry.

It's not just black & white. And you always happen to think that...
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Re: What is the relationship between Assyrians and Mandaeans?
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2016, 10:02:00 AM »
If you're so knowledgeable of history why would you make this thread? Clearly, you also didn't know where they came from.

They have always been inhabitants of southern Mesopotamia. Now would they have come from west like Jordan or Syria much earlier on? Perhaps. But I doubt that they're ALL of Levantine origins. They would have Mesopotamian ancestry.

It's not just black & white. And you always happen to think that...

Because History only happened once... So it technically is Black and White.


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Re: What is the relationship between Assyrians and Mandaeans?
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2016, 08:29:37 PM »
Because History only happened once... So it technically is Black and White.


Er, I didn't mean it in that context...

I meant that historical ethnicity is more "technical" than that. Everyone is a bit mixed, maybe besides the tribal Africans and the likes.

Mandeans may have primordial origins from the Levant. When they came to southern Iraq, obviously they would've mixed with the natives there (who might as well could've been recent descendants of Sumerians, just the same way we were earlier in history). Since so many interbreeding happened there in the last thousand years (with Gulf Arabs) they would now probably be more Arab than Levantine -- After all, they are very Arabicized and would even look it.
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